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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.05 22:57:00 -
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Good thing I have huge stocks of everything. |
Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:00:00 -
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Meh, prices will even out again evnetually :P |
Eternum Praetorian
Tupperware Party
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:24:00 -
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Excuse me... the moons are still there. Its not like CCP nerfed HAC's.
QR showed a dramatic shift in the market as everyone paniced. Then it stabilized. The same will happen here. |
Irida Mershkov
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Veronica Waters
Originally by: Ancy Denaries WTF is this doing in Ships and Modules? Should be in Market or CAOD.
Bye Bye Deimos - Hello Brutix!!
Isn't this already in effect? |
Erin Kinkade
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Posted - 2009.02.06 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lindsay Logan Meh, prices will even out again evnetually :P
This.
Also... also, 5km is still pretty slow compared to a good ceptor.
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BiggestT
Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.02.06 05:09:00 -
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Edited by: BiggestT on 06/02/2009 05:10:35
Originally by: Veronica Waters
Bye bye HICS - Hello Drakes!!
Le sigh.
This is why moons are bad mmkay.
edit: Prices have been going up steadily even before BoB lost sov. Alchemy better bloody fix this |
Joe Martin
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.02.06 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Erin Kinkade Also... also, 5km is still pretty slow compared to a good ceptor.
What kind of ceptors have you been flying? Anything going over 5km/s not overheated is speed fit out the ass. |
Leiara Knight
Gallente The Oblivion Guard
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Posted - 2009.02.06 05:54:00 -
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Quite so. |
Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.06 08:44:00 -
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As far as I'm aware moon mining does not need sov to work. As far as 'but the towers get spanked' goes I highly doubt that in current situation moon mining towers are sitting high in target priority list for big players trying to maximise the use of 'window of opportunity'. |
BiggestT
Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.02.06 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex As far as I'm aware moon mining does not need sov to work. As far as 'but the towers get spanked' goes I highly doubt that in current situation moon mining towers are sitting high in target priority list for big players trying to maximise the use of 'window of opportunity'.
And securing a dysprosium moon worth untold billions is not a "window of oppertunity" |
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.06 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Carniflex As far as I'm aware moon mining does not need sov to work. As far as 'but the towers get spanked' goes I highly doubt that in current situation moon mining towers are sitting high in target priority list for big players trying to maximise the use of 'window of opportunity'.
And securing a dysprosium moon worth untold billions is not a "window of oppertunity"
I'm just saying that if you have option to knock out systemful of large towers in station system or going for capital shipyard building a supercapital the dyspo moon tower might not be the highest priority in the list. It sure would be mopped up eventaully but if you know you have limited time to do the maximum damage ... losing a bit income for some weeks aint that stellar damage. |
Bob Arko
Geddonites
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Posted - 2009.02.06 11:53:00 -
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200 mils for HAC is unaffordable? You kidding me? |
Captain Moustache
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Posted - 2009.02.06 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Moustache on 06/02/2009 13:13:53
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs T2 prices rising? Luckily my corp builds T2 :)
LULZ - you remind me of the oil industry. $4 a gallon gas - good thing we make that! Oh wait - no one can afford that - why isn't everyone buying it as much?!?!? HELLO WORLD WIDE DEPRESSION!
Originally by: Karrade Krise lol...if t2 prices really do sky rocket..then the falcon whiners wont have the right to whine
I said it before and I'll say it again - GOONS NERFED THE FALCON. GJ Goon Nation!!
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Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Carniflex As far as I'm aware moon mining does not need sov to work. As far as 'but the towers get spanked' goes I highly doubt that in current situation moon mining towers are sitting high in target priority list for big players trying to maximise the use of 'window of opportunity'.
And securing a dysprosium moon worth untold billions is not a "window of oppertunity"
I'm just saying that if you have option to knock out systemful of large towers in station system or going for capital shipyard building a supercapital the dyspo moon tower might not be the highest priority in the list. It sure would be mopped up eventaully but if you know you have limited time to do the maximum damage ... losing a bit income for some weeks aint that stellar damage.
Mannnnnn - you have some SUPER HUGE errors!!!
Current prices means a dysprosium moon = 12-16 BILLION ISK PER MONTH.
PER MONTH.
You wonder how an alliance can afford to field and lose cap fleets?! Your purchases of T2 ships (demand for dysprosium) fuels their economy.
Every HAC etc goes towards some big alliance's Titan.
When they lost sov - the supercap production STOPPED. All mins were LOST. The 2 Titans they had cooking - *poof* along with the 160 billion worth of Tritanium etc.
Sooooo - no point in attacking super cap ship yards.
Target number 1 for small fry gangs are evacuating members.
Target number 1 for people wanting to PWN THE MARKETZ is the dysprosium moons!!! There is so much CHAOS and PANIC that the dysprosium market is out of whack.
Speculators are going to drive the price sky high!
T2 ships will be unaffordable!!
I'd like to see some Tech 1 ship suggestions in the post-tech 2 world!!!
Originally by: Bob Arko 200 mils for HAC is unaffordable? You kidding me?
ZOMG - You are ARROGANT!! Not everyone has a high sec mission whoring alt (or some other lame risk-free carebear isk printer). 200 MIL is A LOT for the average casual player!
Ofc you must be a moon miner so a 1-2 billion isk marauder is probably peanuts to you - and you think everyone else can afford their own planet under the sun.
You make me SICK! |
Erin Kinkade
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Posted - 2009.02.06 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Martin
Originally by: Erin Kinkade Also... also, 5km is still pretty slow compared to a good ceptor.
What kind of ceptors have you been flying? Anything going over 5km/s not overheated is speed fit out the ass.
Isn't that the point of interceptors?
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.02.06 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Moustache Stuff
SHUT UP, you worthless, scaremongering, incendiary little ****.
So HAC's might be too expensive for you?
Sucks to be you. Don't fly them then.
HAC's used to be 200 mil before invention came out and dropped the price of them down to ~85, people flew them then, and people will fly them now. __________________________________
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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Veronica Waters
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Posted - 2009.02.06 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Captain Moustache Stuff
SHUT UP, you worthless, scaremongering, incendiary little ****.
So HAC's might be too expensive for you?
Sucks to be you. Don't fly them then.
HAC's used to be 200 mil before invention came out and dropped the price of them down to ~85, people flew them then, and people will fly them now.
How would you like it if the things you used in game went up double in price?! That would mean you could afford to use them 1/2 as often.
HAC's were 200 mil a piece due to the BPO monopoly - it was restricting to people. Sure they could fly them - but not many could afford to use them as often. CCP introduced invention to bring about more competition and the result is more widespread use of these ships. People had isk printing machines with their T2 BPO's which is pretty weak for a video game - you should have to actively engage the game to make a lot of money - not get lucky.
I think it would be pretty lame to see a game of only frigates, battlecruisrs and battleships, because their specialized cousins became extinct thanks to overpriced moon minerals.
Future Low-sec gank squads:
Condor/vigil/atron/executioner Condor/vigil/atron/executioner Drake/hurricane/brutix/harbinger Drake/hurricane/brutix/harbinger Drake/hurricane/brutix/harbinger Blackbird Blackbird Raven/tempest/Megathron/armageddon
*yawn*
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Captain Moustache
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Posted - 2009.02.06 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Captain Moustache Stuff
SHUT UP, you worthless, scaremongering, incendiary little ****.
So HAC's might be too expensive for you?
Sucks to be you. Don't fly them then.
HAC's used to be 200 mil before invention came out and dropped the price of them down to ~85, people flew them then, and people will fly them now.
You sound like an arrogant manipulator trying to mask your charade by insulting me!
I will NOT allow you to de-rail this thread about a post tech-2 Eve.
I hope people will pick something better than fleets of Drake to pvp in.
I'm already working up some POSes to run alchemy just so ferrogel and tech 2 ships don't triple in price in the next few weeks! |
Ecky X
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.02.06 15:20:00 -
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Bob controlled a lot of dyspro, but I think most people are overestimating the impact of their supply being interrupted. My guess is the market will be something like this for dyspro:
Day 0: 150k Day 1: 250k Day 2: 230k Day 3: 200k Day 4: 175k Day 5: 155k Day 50: 160k
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Minmatar The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2009.02.06 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Shan''Talasha Mea''Questa on 06/02/2009 15:24:10 You do realize that even with all this screaming and shouting you are not telling people what will REALLY happen.
1. OMG/EEK/Scare/Etc... 2. Prices go up 3. Someone starts up T2 production again, prices are insane 4. Someone else starts his own line of T2 production to get a piece of the pie 5. Person 1 and 2 play the market game, price goes down as more players enter the market game 6. Situation back to normal
Now, sit back, breath deep, and just take your hands away from the keyboard for a while... you obviously need to take a break and not start typing a reply straight away.
Edit:
He got it in before me, but it boils down to the same thing.
Originally by: Ecky X Bob controlled a lot of dyspro, but I think most people are overestimating the impact of their supply being interrupted. My guess is the market will be something like this for dyspro:
Day 0: 150k Day 1: 250k Day 2: 230k Day 3: 200k Day 4: 175k Day 5: 155k Day 50: 160k
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Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
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Thyza Groundbite
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Posted - 2009.02.06 15:45:00 -
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you said it yourself, if the prices go bananas everyone will start mining dysp like crazy, thereby driving the prices down again. And eve stabbilizes, again.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2009.02.06 15:48:00 -
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I thought when the moon mining exploit was "discovered" the prices started to go insane, and we're not even completely through with THAT market hiccup.
I'm pretty sure it will take some time til we see stable prices again, and they probably will be somewhere between the invention-era-low and the bpo-era-high.
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Veronica Waters
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Posted - 2009.02.06 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa Edited by: Shan''Talasha Mea''Questa on 06/02/2009 15:24:10 You do realize that even with all this screaming and shouting you are not telling people what will REALLY happen.
1. OMG/EEK/Scare/Etc... 2. Prices go up 3. Someone starts up T2 production again, prices are insane 4. Someone else starts his own line of T2 production to get a piece of the pie 5. Person 1 and 2 play the market game, price goes down as more players enter the market game 6. Situation back to normal
Now, sit back, breath deep, and just take your hands away from the keyboard for a while... you obviously need to take a break and not start typing a reply straight away.
Edit:
He got it in before me, but it boils down to the same thing.
Originally by: Ecky X Bob controlled a lot of dyspro, but I think most people are overestimating the impact of their supply being interrupted. My guess is the market will be something like this for dyspro:
Day 0: 150k Day 1: 250k Day 2: 230k Day 3: 200k Day 4: 175k Day 5: 155k Day 50: 160k
You're assuming people will go into production because the prices of sold products are high.
However that's just producer passing the buck onto you the consumer. Higher prices for tech 2 ships does not equal higher profits. They're making the same or less (to try to compete) profit wise.
Eventually more and more people will leave T2 production because high material costs. Current insanity -> leads to high sale prices -> which lowers demand -> which leads to lower profits to compete till failure.
Ofc less producers then reduce demand for moon minerals - so their prices will go down.
But that will take a loooong time. Long enough that some people may want to figure out some tech 1 alternatives to T2 ships at their bloated prices.
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Veronica Waters
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Posted - 2009.02.06 16:23:00 -
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FAIL - my post should have stayed in ships and modules - I wanted to see some tech 1 alternatives... |
P'uck
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Posted - 2009.02.06 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: P''uck on 06/02/2009 16:34:01
Originally by: Veronica Waters I wanted to see some tech 1 alternatives...
Well, basically it's pretty straightforward, innit?
For everything frigsized you just take a rifter (apart from the stealthbombers ofc), for the HACs you get the according BC. Fit the BC like you fit the HAC and use the extra slots you have to get more scanres/agility.
It's a hardish to substitute the vagabond, it seems, but for most of the stuff you have an according BC. Well, there is the fleet stabber, and the price is not dependant on t2 production.
It will be a bit tricky to substitute recons, but yeah, you get the idea.
edit: and I'm not saying the sky will be falling. Maybe t2 ships will be available just fine.
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flashspletta
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Posted - 2009.02.06 17:03:00 -
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To be honest, if ship prices on T2 ships really did soar, the Falcon would probably only become more prominant as it is the only T2 ship worth investing in seeing as it rarely pops.
Atleast when used by a good pilot ;) |
Niedar
MASS
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Posted - 2009.02.06 17:20:00 -
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If HAC's were to go to 200 million again which I doubt will happen, it wouldn't make a difference 200 million is small money and people WILL keep on buying them unless T3 is the better option. ------------------
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Bob Arko
Geddonites
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Posted - 2009.02.06 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Moustache
Originally by: Bob Arko 200 mils for HAC is unaffordable? You kidding me?
ZOMG - You are ARROGANT!! Not everyone has a high sec mission whoring alt (or some other lame risk-free carebear isk printer).
No, I don't have high sec mission whoring alt. No, 200 mil is not much at all. In fact, considering polycarbon rig prices there is no much difference: 100 mil for HAC + 110 mil for rigs or 200 mil for HAC and 20-30 mils for another pair of rigs (excluding prices on T2 modules).
Just be more careful flying your ships and you will be fine.
Sky isn't falling. ;)
P.S. There were days when vaga costed 500 mils and ISK value back then was higher than it is now.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.06 17:42:00 -
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Look for HACs to peak around 200 eventually, and even then that would be in the remote areas where prices spike higher regardless. In Jita I wouldn't expect them to climb much past 160-170 before starting to fall and settle around 110-120. |
Wannabehero
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Veronica Waters FAIL - my post should have stayed in ships and modules - I wanted to see some tech 1 alternatives...
It all depends on what you were going to use the ship for, but
HACs Zealot - Harbinger, Omen Navy Issue, Phantasm Sacrilege - Drake, Caracal Navy Issue Cerberus - Drake, Caracal Navy Issue Eagle - Ferox, Moa Ishtar - Vexor Navy Issue, Myrmidon, Dominix Deimos - Thorax, Brutix, Moa Vagabond - Stabber Fleet Issue Muninn - Rupture, Hurricane
Interceptors Malediction - Vigil Crusader - Vigil Raptor - Vigil Crow - Vigil Ares - Vigil Taranis - Vigil, Incursus, Catalyst Stiletto - Vigil Claw - Vigil
Assault Ships Vengeance - Punisher, Succubus, Coercer, Omen Retribution - Kestrel, Worm, Maller Hawk - Kestrel, Worm, Caracal Harpy - Rifter, Cormorant, Moa Ishkur - Vexor, Arbitrator Enyo - Incursus, Rifter, Thorax Jaguar - Rifter, Dramiel, Thrasher, Stabber Wolf - Rifter, Thrasher, Rupture
Recons Falcon - Blackbird, Scorpion Rook - Blackbird, Scorpion Arazu - Domination or Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Lachesis - Domination or Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Pilgrim - Ashimmu, Neut Dominix/Phoon/whatever BS Curse - Neut Dominix/Phoon/whatever BS maybe Rapier - Huginn -
Electronic Attack Frigates Sentinel - Cruor, Arbitrator Kitsune - Griffin, Blackbird Keres - Maulus or Celestis with faction Disruptor Hyena - Was screwed by web nerf anyway, Vigil, Rifter
Interdictors
Heavy Interdictors
Covert Ops Tech 1 hull astrometric equivalent
Stealth Bombers meh anyway --
Don't harsh my mellow |
Lensik Hadmir
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:22:00 -
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this really isn't as big of an issue as people are making it out to be. if you all switch to T1 you'll just drive the prices up on those...then you'll whine about that and switch to another ship, etc etc etc. just cool your jets and get the ships you ACTUALLY want, so it takes you a bit longer to afford, woopeedoo, that's what insurance is for. and if you can't hold onto that lovely T2 long enough to turn a profit on it, you really shouldn't be flying it. |
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