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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:24:00 -
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Now you can buy a PLEX for RL cash directly from CCP. Assuming 320m for a plex as an average market price, if you bought six plexes at once (only one transaction per 24 hours), you'd be able to sell those plexes for a little over 1.9 billion ISK.
Just wait, micro transactions are around the corner. |
Qordel
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:27:00 -
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Huh? What are you talking about? Do you mean that you can now buy a PLEX directly from CCP rather than buying a code from a third party and entering that code in EVE to get a couple PLEXes? If so, then... *shrug*... nothing has changed except some streamlining. Of course, if that is the case, then I would sure hope they are selling for less than $35 per pair. After all $35 had to include the merchant transaction fee with their payment processors and giving the affiliates a cut. If they're cut out of it, then surely CCP would reduce price, right? |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:28:00 -
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Moar faction fitted faction ships piloted by carebear mission runners or faction war players for you to kill is a bad thing? |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:30:00 -
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You can only "buy isk" if people actually buy the plexes. You do realize what happens if the supply far exceeds the demand, don't you?
In essence, buying plexes is actually a rather risky speculation rather than a safe way to buy isk. Not to mention that the market is hard-capped at the number of accounts plus their life time. |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:31:00 -
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So first shattered crystal bought gtc from ccp, you bought it from shattered crystal, you sold them.
And now you buy gtc/plex from ccp, you sell them.
I fail to see the tinfoil hat reasoning. |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Qordel Huh? What are you talking about? Do you mean that you can now buy a PLEX directly from CCP rather than buying a code from a third party and entering that code in EVE to get a couple PLEXes? If so, then... *shrug*... nothing has changed except some streamlining. Of course, if that is the case, then I would sure hope they are selling for less than $35 per pair. After all $35 had to include the merchant transaction fee with their payment processors and giving the affiliates a cut. If they're cut out of it, then surely CCP would reduce price, right?
Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Yes, it's just 'a little more streamlined', but this is basically as close as you can get to simply buying ISK in an officially sanctioned format.
The one thing this system prevents is the magic creation of ISK into the economy, as the ISK is still basically transferred from one player to another, instead of creating it from thin air, which is a good thing.
But as far as CCP's official stance on 'buying success' with RL money for an in-game advantage, it's pretty clear where they're at. As long as they can directly profit from it, they're going to allow it, and even facilitate it. |
LongHong Dong
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:35:00 -
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I expect an Item Mall soon and for CCP to sell out to SOE with the fall of BoB and a;;. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:35:00 -
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Confirming that according to a leaked game design document we will see ful micro transactions in summer 2010 in an expansion named "EVE Atonement".
Now let me quick manufacture a mp3 and some chat logs, those seem to be the current FOTM for tinfoil hattery. |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:36:00 -
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The only thing that was changed was that the barrier to entry. Shattered Crystal was always a CCP partner. You can still buy from them. What has changed? Next to nothing. |
Harvestor's Soul
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:42:00 -
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I don't think it matters, people have always bought isk. It doesn't buy success. You should welcome the change, maybe we'll get another noob rorq cynoing in at a planet. |
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus But as far as CCP's official stance on 'buying success' with RL money for an in-game advantage, it's pretty clear where they're at. As long as they can directly profit from it, they're going to allow it, and even facilitate it.
CCP's stance is well documented along with their reasoning and motives unlike your whining **** thread. If you don't like it then ****ing quit, all you do is whine.
This is a trivial change that affects absolutely nothing and you are whining, get a grip dude. |
AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:45:00 -
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This thread is now titled completely dumb!
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:47:00 -
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Well, if people see that "Oh, buy this, get isk" straight from CCP, with a system that's been in place for a while, we might get a reduction in macro mining and isk selling.
Speculating ofcourse. |
Qordel
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:48:00 -
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The thing that makes the PLEX trade tolerable in most people's eyes is that it is essentially a trade between players. Buying ISK would be a terrible option, but if I can trade another player for something they want and something I want, then that doesn't seem so bad. They need game time and I need ISK. They put in the time and effort and I buy them game time in exchange. It's not like I'm tiredly giving CCP $35 and they're giving me a bunch of ISK. There is a valued exchange and an investment on the part of both players.
It would probably be better not to even have the PLEX trade, but that would come at the cost of a lot of people who contribute to EVE not being able to play due to economic circumstances. It seems this is the most reasonable and least impacting solution at this point. |
Bohoba
Caldari HolyKnights
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Posted - 2009.02.06 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Edited by: LaVista Vista on 06/02/2009 10:43:44 The only thing that was changed was that the barrier to entry. Shattered Crystal was always a CCP partner. You can still buy from them. What has changed? Next to nothing.
EDIT: By lowering the barrier to entry for "legally" buying ISK, the illegal ISK sellers will have a drop in demand. If there's not enough demand, there won't be any supply. Thus the isk farmers go away.
problem: they will do something ccp wont and that is lower the rl cost for isk thus raising demand and causing even more macro to work to keep the isk -> flow the same $$
if they would make there program secure this would not be a problem. but why waste man hours on somthing that will cost 1000's of lost accounts do to the eminence problem with macro accounts all over
....................... 10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.02.06 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Bohoba
Originally by: LaVista Vista Edited by: LaVista Vista on 06/02/2009 10:43:44 The only thing that was changed was that the barrier to entry. Shattered Crystal was always a CCP partner. You can still buy from them. What has changed? Next to nothing.
EDIT: By lowering the barrier to entry for "legally" buying ISK, the illegal ISK sellers will have a drop in demand. If there's not enough demand, there won't be any supply. Thus the isk farmers go away.
problem: they will do something ccp wont and that is lower the rl cost for isk thus raising demand and causing even more macro to work to keep the isk -> flow the same $$
if they would make there program secure this would not be a problem. but why waste man hours on somthing that will cost 1000's of lost accounts do to the eminence problem with macro accounts all over
Risk has a price which you ignore entirely.
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Tnam
Caldari Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2009.02.06 11:15:00 -
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2 Plex from CCP = Ç34.99 (if you are an EU based player), 2 Plex from Shattered Crystal=$34.99 (Ç27.35). Kinda not really any contest there, and this is why I been paying my accounts with GTC's bought from Shattered Crystal forever. ----
Mortis Angelus is recruiting, please see our recruitment thread |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.06 12:30:00 -
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Wouldn't the "middle man" in this case be the secondary purchaser of that PLEX? You know, the guy who actually has the ISK?
…I don't quite see this as cutting that part out, or even as a movement towards cutting him out. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Bumbum George
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Posted - 2009.02.06 12:37:00 -
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Hear hear, Bellum is whining again...
My question is: who cares?
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Bohoba
Caldari HolyKnights
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Posted - 2009.02.06 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Bohoba
Originally by: LaVista Vista Edited by: LaVista Vista on 06/02/2009 10:43:44 The only thing that was changed was that the barrier to entry. Shattered Crystal was always a CCP partner. You can still buy from them. What has changed? Next to nothing.
EDIT: By lowering the barrier to entry for "legally" buying ISK, the illegal ISK sellers will have a drop in demand. If there's not enough demand, there won't be any supply. Thus the isk farmers go away.
problem: they will do something ccp wont and that is lower the rl cost for isk thus raising demand and causing even more macro to work to keep the isk -> flow the same $$
if they would make there program secure this would not be a problem. but why waste man hours on somthing that will cost 1000's of lost accounts do to the eminence problem with macro accounts all over
Risk has a price which you ignore entirely.
if the risk was higher problem would be solved, it not a multi million dollar industry because they get caught its a multi million dollar industry because they don't.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer So first shattered crystal bought gtc from ccp, you bought it from shattered crystal, you sold them.
And now you buy gtc/plex from ccp, you sell them.
I fail to see the tinfoil hat reasoning.
Fuirb speeks the truht. Tehre is nohting wriong so no porblem. |
Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:33:00 -
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more like bellum etearnus, amirite?
love to a great pvper and the emoest kid on the forum. |
Agent Unknown
Caldari Fist of Eargon
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Agent Unknown on 06/02/2009 19:03:58 Isn't it cheaper to just buy the subscription directly? It's $30 for 60 days direct without a PLEX, and $35+ depending where you buy it for a PLEX. Am I missing something obvious or...?
Edit: I'm obviously going for the "every month" perspective, as you can't buy 2 months at a time...but even so, $40 for 3 months. That's an additional month for $5 extra. I don't see where the deal with PLEX comes into play. I suppose for quick cash, but if you don't have the skills to back up the fact you're rich you'll end up losing most of it anyway. ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong." |
Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:08:00 -
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I think it's about time to add the OP to the forum spam filter, all he posts is whining and "TEH SKY IS FALLING!!!".
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Caiman Graystock
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:10:00 -
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This is idiotic. The ISK is still coming from other players. It is already in the economy. You are buying GTCs pre-split into a couple of PLEX beforehand, all that has changed is the method. Stop whinging.
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Mesafina
Gallente The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:12:00 -
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I don't think this will succeed in getting rid of isk farmers. The fact is that alot of these isk farms in china and other countries are already invested in this game, and they pay their workers very little compared to how much value a single person can pull out isk grinding in this game. They will simply sell their isk for less then what it can be bought for at any time through the PLEX transactions.
I do think it will cause their numbers to lessen slightly though, due to smaller profits from this game. Some will focus more on other mmo's, All good things. But as long as there is money to be made they will be here.
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Ergebt Euch
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:18:00 -
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I first thought you can buy a plex, a private instanced plex where you can farm faction spawns without the threath of pirates. Would be cool eh, buy a 10/10 plex which is open for 1 week for $4.45.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.02.06 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ergebt Euch I first thought you can buy a plex, a private instanced plex where you can farm faction spawns without the threath of pirates. Would be cool eh, buy a 10/10 plex which is open for 1 week for $4.45.
Not suer it si a gut idae or not. I thnik it is coll but I do not knoe. |
Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.02.06 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Qordel ...surely CCP would reduce price, right?
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHA
/me breathes
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA
srsly? |
ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:26:00 -
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Nothing to see here. Get your tinfoil hat fix elsewhere. |
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