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Lucia Wilber
Minmatar The Steel Vipers
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:09:00 -
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Just a quick question on this branch of the mission. I know that the DPS output of the enemy ships increases every 4 minutes and that either high DPS or extremely high tank is needed.
What sort of ship/skills would be needed to solo this mission?
Could a Battleship do it? Or would you need to depend on a tech 2 ship, like a Marauder?
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Aaronm100
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:25:00 -
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I was going to try it in my drake, and i've got fairly low SP but in the end i decided it would be stupid. I think a battleship could most probably tank it if a bc can do the first 4 parts.
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Sofia Kyodai
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Sofia Kyodai on 06/02/2009 22:29:01 Like you said, reinforcements do come in, but not in 4 minute intervals, i'm pretty sure its more like 10 or so.
Its not a question of extremely high tank tho, my dual repper Domi was almost wiped out simply coz i got swamped, couldnt kill stuff fast enough. It is doable in a battleship however, megathron and raven for instance, both of which i have used. As long as you take stuff out fast, so that you dont get too much additional incoming dps when next wave comes in.
Also, a marauder will die just as surely as a normal bs if you dont kill stuff quickly. Even tho i normally had a CNR for cruise missiles and kept my Golem with torps at all times, i found out that in this one case, it helped to have the extra range of cruise on the Golem. Sure, a portion of my (decreased) DPS was lost to defenders, but in the end i realised that i killed each group before the next wave jumped in.
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Lucia Wilber
Minmatar The Steel Vipers
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:33:00 -
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I fly primarily Amarr ships myself, an am quite fond of my Abaddon. Turrets are difficult to use in missions, I've learned, unless you have drones to combat the smaller ships or blast them from range. I have a lot of luck one-shotting some of the smaller frigates if I can get them while they're still 30km out, though that's with beam lasers when I prefer using pulses.
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Sofia Kyodai
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:43:00 -
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Turrets do have problems in missions, namely range and tracking, thats why most ppl go for missiles. Kudos to you for sticking with a ship and weapon you like.
Now, to the mission: iirc, when you warp in, they appear around 40km from you. Its a good idea to take out the fast cruisers first, as in the end you'll be taking more damage from them than the BSs (which you will be killing relatively fast). Keep a flight of light drones for the pesky frigates, dont waste time shooting the big guns at them. If you got spare drone bay (you should) stick in a couple of Berserker SW-900 drones - they are webber drones; yes, they were nerfed, but every little bit helps, trust me on that. Other than that, always be aligned to something; not only will this save you if the crap hits the fan, but you also buy valuable time while they close in - keeping their transversal low, ergo, easier for the guns to track.
Oh, and a sidenote: for the Abaddon, always use beam lasers, you need the range; keep pulse forthe Apoc - works like a charm.
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:52:00 -
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Eve Survival Guide Enemies Abound 5 of 5]
The comments include a reference to an in-depth writeup by a player who figured out how to do this (after a lot of practice) with an unrigged Raven. Good reading.
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Plokk
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Posted - 2009.02.07 20:23:00 -
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I've only ran this mission one time , and i solo'd the entire mission in a very expensive , faction fit Rattlesnake.
Never had to warp out , but it was still a little hairy a couple of times .
You do have to keep moving at full speed in every room to lessen npc tracking .
Also , you need an omni-tank , or at least try to balance your resists and try 2 Booster Amps . (less cap needed per boost cycle , with increased HP per cycle ) G/L o/
P.S. I may try it one more time in a standard , perma-boosting Raven , just to see if it can be done . |
Dracthera
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Posted - 2009.02.07 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Aaronm100 I was going to try it in my drake, and i've got fairly low SP but in the end i decided it would be stupid. I think a battleship could most probably tank it if a bc can do the first 4 parts.
Your Drake is better off in this part since it has lower sig radius (if you go active), and faster speed than a BS. That means it'll take far less damage than a BS/Marauder. Simply fly away from the gate, and take out the rats as they come toward you (frigs first so they don't web/scram you). At some point when the damage becomes manageable, you can turn around and head back toward the gate. Pretty straightforward.
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Sofia Kyodai
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Posted - 2009.02.07 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Sofia Kyodai on 07/02/2009 21:57:25 I'm not sure its doable in a Drake, sure you will tank some of the incoming DPS, but your killing speed will be really bad. Eventually even it will be forced to warp out, i'm pretty certain this will happen.
PS: and no, the logic that a BS can do it since a BC can do the first 4 parts isnt valid, as the 5th part is quite simply insane in terms of damage types and amount dealt, not to mention that its not the same NPCs you got on the first parts. |
Dracthera
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Posted - 2009.02.07 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Kyodai Edited by: Sofia Kyodai on 07/02/2009 21:57:25 I'm not sure its doable in a Drake, sure you will tank some of the incoming DPS, but your killing speed will be really bad. Eventually even it will be forced to warp out, i'm pretty certain this will happen.
I personally guarantee you it's doable in a Drake, and the killing speed isn't all that bad with the correct setup =). No warp-outs.
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Tacu
Amarr DAB
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Posted - 2009.02.08 00:43:00 -
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Fit AB to your ship and start heading away immediatelly with max speed. I use arty Maelstrom in that mission and i'm about 200km away from the new spawns, much easier to tank them that way...
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Prawl Blackwing
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Posted - 2009.02.08 12:53:00 -
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I did it just fine in an abaddon with t2 megapulse (scorch) and doing it just fine in a paladin with tachyons. With proper skills and setup you can kill each wave before the next one spawns without silly things like moving 200km away. |
Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.08 17:47:00 -
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Nighthawk, heavy tank+trying to be at good speed at max range
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Amish Juggernaut
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:37:00 -
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Ran it in a T2 Fitted Raven. It got hairy in a couple of places. Just make sure to shoot explosive at the top-line BS's and Thermal at everything else.
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Ralitge boyter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:44:00 -
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A Golem can do it with your hands tied behind your back...
A drake can do it but you need crazy skills, I mean all shields 5, all missile support and heavy missile spec. 5. I am not making this up or doing the EFT thing, I have these skills and did do this mission in a drake, it can be done, but it is not easy and very time consuming.
Of course you can try and use the running faster then the bullets trick while spamming missiles, might work but I personally am not a big fan of that style of flying.
The most important tip, remember that the new waves will keep on comming even when you warp out for what ever reason. So if you have a hard time tanking them when you warp out but you are not at the last wave yet, don't go back simply tell your agent to go do it them self. ------------------------------------------- Should you disagree with me, well I guess that is because I disagree with you. If you have a problem with that please feel free not to tell me. |
Korell Nova
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Posted - 2009.02.10 15:54:00 -
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abaddon with 6 tacs plus cruise launcher firing exp damage cruises and a lar+mar tank can do it without warp outs you just have to keep moving and focus your ship damage on any darkanas and let your drones kill all the smaller stuff. ab is a must as you need to get up close to those darks asap to use multis on them and lob you drones on as well when you can to break their tank quickly enough b4 the next spawns, that said i quite often get left with the 5 darkanas to kill once everything else is dead you just got to use range on them cos they only hit very hard at a certain distance get under or over that distance and they are easily tankable.
i my self have always wondered if an apoc/navy poc would handle this mission better than an abaddon as you can use 2 cruise launchers instead of the one on the abad |
Dracthera
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ralitge boyter
A drake can do it but you need crazy skills, I mean all shields 5, all missile support and heavy missile spec. 5. I am not making this up or doing the EFT thing, I have these skills and did do this mission in a drake, it can be done, but it is not easy and very time consuming.
Nah, it's not that severe. I don't have those crazy skills and did in in a Drake without dying or warping out. Part of it is employing the right tactics aside from the correct setup (hint: it's an active tank setup). I actually ran this in a Drake when I didn't have really high skills in missiles or shields. It does take some pricey mods though - you can substitute skills for cash in many respects.
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Blazing Fire
Interstellar Operations Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.02.11 10:11:00 -
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For high DPS misissions like this one, I use Cerb.
I burn away at +100km and spam missiles, killing the frigates first, so they don't web/scram me.
Then I go for Cruisers/BCs.
And at the end I shoot the BS or dock and get the CNR for shorter kill time.
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Ralitge boyter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.11 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: DractheraNah, it's not that severe. I don't have those crazy skills and did in in a Drake without dying or warping out. Part of it is employing the right tactics aside from the correct setup (hint: it's an active tank setup). I actually ran this in a Drake when I didn't have really high skills in missiles or shields. It does take some pricey mods though - you can substitute skills for cash in many respects.[/quote
:) I am usually not moving in my passive tank drake oh, and nothing else then T2 mods. I guess you can call me a very lazy mission runner. ------------------------------------------- Should you disagree with me, well I guess that is because I disagree with you. If you have a problem with that please feel free not to tell me. |
Vaipor
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Posted - 2009.02.28 01:55:00 -
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Did this mission for the first time yesterday. As soon as i started RL issues pulled me away and I Had to warp out. By the time I warped back in all 5 waves had spawned. In order to beat the mission I had to go in with 2 navy reppers on a Hyperion with a double boosting raven and a myrmidon for drone support. We had to warp in fight for 30-45 secs and warp out usually killing 2 BS's a trip. Had to do this 4 times before damage became manageable.
Truly this was the first lvl 4 i've come across that really scared me and i do worlds collide without blinking.
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Sidus
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Posted - 2009.02.28 11:44:00 -
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Easy peasy lemon squeazy...
For some reason I have had enemies abound almost every day for the last three weeks (which hasn't helped my gallente/Minmatar standings too much) so I kind of am a bit of an expert at it.
the final part 5/5 is incredibly easy in a golem. I have my golem loaded for maximum DPS combined with a mainly explosive active tank (my Golem never breaks a sweat) and I have found that if you switch to explosive missiles for the Darkanas I manage to clear each 4 minute spawn about a minute before the next, usually giving me plenty of time to hoover up the wrecks.
This mission should be feared by the low SP chars...but its a real money spinner. I read that people decline this mission just because there are no bounties but the tags collected in this mission are worth a fortune and the salvage is sweet too.
The secret to completing EA 5/5 without warping out is killing each spawn before the next one appears...and it is 4 minutes every time without fail. I have timed every one.
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Terminus Vindictus
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Posted - 2009.02.28 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus I read that people decline this mission just because there are no bounties but the tags collected in this mission are worth a fortune and the salvage is sweet too.
It's not really because there are no bounties, it's because of the faction hit you take with Gallente for running this mission. It's no more or less profitable than any other big mission, so it makes sense to just decline it and move on to something else that's just as good but without the standings hit.
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V05
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Posted - 2009.02.28 16:04:00 -
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I have no clue what everyone else is saying but;
With Tech 2 fitted Battle ship - It can be done. Make sure you Go for DPS though, Tanking is 3k+ if all the ships are out.
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