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Mr Stark
Pimpin' Ain't Easy
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Posted - 2012.04.21 22:18:00 -
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So, Incursions are the most immersion breaking, ridiculous storyline ever. Ever ever.
Not the idea of incursions, that is a pretty great storyline, but not in hisec.
Concord would not ignore incursions. Navy and security forces would not ignore incursions. Currently concord will arrive at an incursion site due to a transgression by a capsuleer, then proceed to totally ignore the dozens of evil sansha war vessels pillaging and destroying, right there on grid with them. Its ridiculous.
Im not saying get rid of incursions, im not even saying get rid of hisec incursions, but make something even a bit believable, such as the sansha problem is such that in any constelation an incursion happens at, Concord are so overstretched saving the hisec population that they simply dont have the manpower to divert to any other matters, same with navies and security. Basically make that constelation not have concord response, or at very least no concord response inside an incursion site.
Immersion is important here, breaking it so that you can have a feature is ridiculous, especially as it is such a stupid breakage. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2012.04.21 22:22:00 -
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Another 'nerf high sec incursions' thread?
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Kenneth Skybound
A Cloned Army
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Posted - 2012.04.21 22:41:00 -
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He's right though - immersion should be conserved where possible.
If CONCORD are so powerful and they'll deal so quickly with us, why not have a valid reason - and consequences - of not doing anything about an incursion.
I don't take part in anything like this (as yet) - just a newbie. All I know is blatant, gaping holes like that ruin the experience more than a bit. (see also warp bubbles forming in wrong direction). |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.21 22:46:00 -
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Kenneth Skybound wrote:(see also warp bubbles forming in wrong direction). Clearing cache will fix that right up Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Leza Bo ManHater
Pyramid Celestial
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Posted - 2012.04.21 22:50:00 -
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Kenneth Skybound wrote:He's right though - immersion should be conserved where possible.
If CONCORD are so powerful and they'll deal so quickly with us, why not have a valid reason - and consequences - of not doing anything about an incursion.
I don't take part in anything like this (as yet) - just a newbie. All I know is blatant, gaping holes like that ruin the experience more than a bit. (see also warp bubbles forming in wrong direction).
i dont know about the rest of you but when i play eve i am usually stripped down to my undies while in my moms dark basement i def need ccp pay more attention to the immersion of the game because of have totally fried my brain smoking pot |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2012.04.21 22:56:00 -
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Kenneth Skybound wrote:He's right though - immersion should be conserved where possible.
If CONCORD are so powerful and they'll deal so quickly with us, why not have a valid reason - and consequences - of not doing anything about an incursion.
I don't take part in anything like this (as yet) - just a newbie. All I know is blatant, gaping holes like that ruin the experience more than a bit. (see also warp bubbles forming in wrong direction).
I like to think that concord don't blow us up with guns, but secretly the jovians gave them technology so they can force an automatic self destruct of our ships. Those not connected to the network, concord cannot really do much against. |
Leza Bo ManHater
Pyramid Celestial
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Posted - 2012.04.21 23:00:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Kenneth Skybound wrote:He's right though - immersion should be conserved where possible.
If CONCORD are so powerful and they'll deal so quickly with us, why not have a valid reason - and consequences - of not doing anything about an incursion.
I don't take part in anything like this (as yet) - just a newbie. All I know is blatant, gaping holes like that ruin the experience more than a bit. (see also warp bubbles forming in wrong direction). I like to think that concord don't blow us up with guns, but secretly the jovians gave them technology so they can force an automatic self destruct of our ships. Those not connected to the network, concord cannot really do much against.
ill have what he is smokin'
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.04.21 23:02:00 -
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Mr Stark wrote:So, Incursions are the most immersion breaking, ridiculous storyline ever. Ever ever.
Not the idea of incursions, that is a pretty great storyline, but not in hisec.
Concord would not ignore incursions. Navy and security forces would not ignore incursions. Currently concord will arrive at an incursion site due to a transgression by a capsuleer, then proceed to totally ignore the dozens of evil sansha war vessels pillaging and destroying, right there on grid with them. Its ridiculous. [...] Immersion is important here, breaking it so that you can have a feature is ridiculous, especially as it is such a stupid breakage. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Completely agree, Incursions are one of the worst additions to EVE ever made. I would like to see them removed entirely and immediately, not to return until CCP has completely redone them in such a way as they are not Immersion breaking, Risk vs Reward breaking, nor inappropriate content for a player conflict driven Sandbox MMORPG. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.21 23:03:00 -
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Mr Stark wrote:I want to blow up the shiny incursion ships without concord bothering me
Is what you really mean
To the whiners :-áCCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are"
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lanyaie
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Posted - 2012.04.21 23:15:00 -
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Posting in incursion whine thread #IcantCOUNTTHATFAR.
While we're at it we should nerf frigs, it's unfair how my 200m isk ship cannot hit them but they can hit me.
Oh and buff carriers so they can use( 10 additional) drones in triage and add 10% to all current triage boosts so they can become solo pwn mobiles I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you |
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.21 23:37:00 -
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Are you a lowsec pirate getting no ganks and cant get into highsec? I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group Ayn Sof Aur
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Posted - 2012.04.21 23:52:00 -
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Need to remove HS rats Missions Etc
Cause I mean... they break it too! Hell they break it MORE.
Wtf concord can't take out a dumb frig rat in HS?
I could understand them staying away from an incrusion but a frig?!
ALSO wtf remove all sites too that have any kinda rats!
ya -1/10 |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2012.04.21 23:55:00 -
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posting in a "SPACESHIPS IS SRS BSNSS!" thread. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.04.21 23:58:00 -
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Started off good with some nice stuff about plot-holes and broken immersion...
... then you went full ****** and asked for CONCORD-free ganks. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.04.22 00:29:00 -
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supersexysucker wrote:Need to remove HS rats Missions Etc
Ideally yes, but Incursions are the worst of it, so it makes sense to address that first. Then Exploration gets moved out, belt rats go, and the only PvE combat missions in High Sec are tied into Faction Warfare. Either that of nerf the hell out of CONCORD. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.22 00:53:00 -
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Kenneth Skybound wrote:He's right though - immersion should be conserved where possible.
If CONCORD are so powerful and they'll deal so quickly with us, why not have a valid reason - and consequences - of not doing anything about an incursion.
I don't take part in anything like this (as yet) - just a newbie. All I know is blatant, gaping holes like that ruin the experience more than a bit. (see also warp bubbles forming in wrong direction).
Yeah how DO they show up in 1.0 sec without the might of the empire's navy crushing the life from it? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.22 01:06:00 -
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So you mean to say all PVE content in hisec except shooting roids is currently broken? Tell me how that goes... |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.22 01:08:00 -
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If you want immersion shove your head through your monitor. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
leviticus ander
CATO.nss
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Posted - 2012.04.22 02:33:00 -
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you guys really haven't read the back story have you? concord and the military can't step in because the sansha have generators that prevent retaliation on them from NPCs, and it's been found that because of the integration of pod ships to the mind, they are the only ones capable of mounting an effective offence against the sansha. that's why concord pays us so much for doing what is really not all that much. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2012.04.22 04:21:00 -
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I so totally agree that cooperative PvE content should be completely and totally banned from an MMO.
HOW DARE THEY |
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.04.22 04:29:00 -
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leviticus ander wrote:you guys really haven't read the back story have you? concord and the military can't step in because the sansha have generators that prevent retaliation on them from NPCs, and it's been found that because of the integration of pod ships to the mind, they are the only ones capable of mounting an effective offence against the sansha. that's why concord pays us so much for doing what is really not all that much.
Cheesy lore to justify cheesy gameplay.
... So when will players be able to buy these generators with Sansha LPs?
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Maitsu Takeda
Zeon Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.22 05:33:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:If you want immersion shove your head through your monitor.
I only see Red/Green/Blue pixels, no immersion at all |
Digital Messiah
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2012.04.22 05:36:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:posting in a "SPACESHIPS IS SRS BSNSS!" thread.
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Francisco Bizzaro
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Posted - 2012.04.22 06:45:00 -
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Kenneth Skybound wrote:He's right though - immersion should be conserved where possible.
If CONCORD are so powerful and they'll deal so quickly with us, why not have a valid reason - and consequences - of not doing anything about an incursion.
I don't take part in anything like this (as yet) - just a newbie. All I know is blatant, gaping holes like that ruin the experience more than a bit. (see also warp bubbles forming in wrong direction). CONCORD is just a game mechanic for enforcing some rules in hi-sec. CCP tacked on a back-story about them being a police force, apparently a very efficient one. It's an easy and effective restraint on hi-sec crime, and more sand-boxy than PVP-PVE flags which people often suggest.
But ideally, jobs in Eve should be player driven. That is, it would be great if we could get rid of CONCORD and players could police themselves to some extent. And this seems to be the direction of some of the discussion about future bounty systems and kill rights changes.
So if anything is immersion breaking, it's CONCORD itself. The mechanism of having players responsible for cleaning up incursions is very much in the spirit of Eve. |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.04.22 08:12:00 -
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supersexysucker wrote:Cause I mean... they break it too! Hell they break it MORE.
Wtf concord can't take out a dumb frig rat in HS?
I could understand them staying away from an incrusion but a frig?!
I can understand the militia staying away from a common pirate in a lone frigate. They are fairly mobile and could warp away, etc. But an invasion of your space? Complete with degradation across the system and whatnot?
That seems like the type of thing the navy would respond to ...
That said. It would be much better in the game if we did not have CONCORD as a NPC group; but as a fallible, PC group. All NPC services should be in the hands of players anyway. And there should be a way to fight back against Incursions and defeat them once and for all. There must be an end.
EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
XIRUSPHERE
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.22 08:19:00 -
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I fully support concord taking an extended donut shop break in incursion space in high security space. All those shiny fleets you see that solely exist to exploit mechanic loopholes would become dust in the wind. If the bears want the fruits of incursions they should have to grow some claws and fight for it.
Im all for a sanctioned high security blood bath for such a valuable resource, it's fair and would introduce some much needed conflict and ship losses for whats become an autopilot to billions venture. The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.22 10:20:00 -
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I disagree Mr Stark Pimpin is easy |
Catalytic morphisis
Rodam Expeditions
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Posted - 2012.04.22 10:35:00 -
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Ahhh yes lets remove co-operative PvE indeed, Seems like a good idea #Sarcasm |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.04.22 11:27:00 -
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Catalytic morphisis wrote:Ahhh yes lets remove co-operative PvE indeed, Seems like a good idea #Sarcasm
He didn't suggest to remove it.
However, if you're going to partake in it, there should be risk involved.
It's not rocket surgery. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.22 11:32:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:posting in a "SPACESHIPS IS SRS BSNSS!" thread. It reads more like a "spaceships are real"-thread if you would ask me. No more crappy expansions! - Raise A Little Hell |
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