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hcydo
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Posted - 2009.02.07 11:32:00 -
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I really don't get it. You must be an idiot to buy something for 34.99EUR when you can get same for 34.99USD.
Changing currency from USD to EUR without chaning numbers, literally means, rising price for 20-30%! And to think that no one will notice? I do know that there can be additonal credit card transaction fees, and blah-blah.
I also don't get why people buy real time card, pay for delivery, and enter ETC fuzzy letters with their hands. I go to BattleClinic, they sell 60 day ETC in USD (they accept credit cards using PayPal, no fee) and send it to you next day via email, copy-paste.
Steam did same recently. Hey, leave the numbers, change currency to real ISK!
What the hell military experts are thinking? |
Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.02.07 11:33:00 -
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Becuase the economy in iceland is crappy and the governemnt is taxing thier greatest income to help everyone else? |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.07 11:36:00 -
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same goes for that xbox 360 you bought last week.
oh wait, I get they must be greedy too |
Morsus Argent
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Posted - 2009.02.07 11:43:00 -
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Some of the difference is related to currency fluctuations (it would be insane if they changed the prices all the time relative to the strength of the currency), and some of it is down to the fact that CCP have to charge all EU residents VAT on electronically supplied services, so the EUR cost includes that whereas the USD cost doesn't, I believe.
Legally, if you're an EU resident you're probably supposed to pay VAT (and possibly import duty if that applies) if you 'import' US time cards. Shame there's no real way for customs to monitor email transactions isn't it? |
Lou Tiang
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Posted - 2009.02.07 11:51:00 -
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No it's not! Hush! |
Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.07 11:52:00 -
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well what kind of european cares anyway.. that sum is just 1 maybe 1,5 hours of work in quite a few countries.
Less if you got a decent paying job. |
Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.02.07 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: hcydo What the hell military experts are thinking?
Don't know, but financial experts think that CCP does this so that we absorb the fluctuations on the currency market instead of them.
20-30% difference of 34.99 is easier to absorb than 20-30% of several million dollars/euro. |
AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.07 12:20:00 -
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Europeans whined about the American Dollar being more valuable for years!
Now they are whining about the Euro being more valuable than the dollar!
Your cake <----go ahead and eat |
Irida Mershkov
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.07 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: hcydo What the hell military experts are thinking?
That it might, infact, be a cynosural field. |
DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.07 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: AkRoYeR Europeans whined about the American Dollar being more valuable for years!
Now they are whining about the Euro being more valuable than the dollar!
Right.... FYI the US Dollar has NEVER (That's a NEVER) been more valuable then the Euro from the day it was introduced.
Just allow us to select the currency we like to pay in and the issue is solved, or charge the US player base the same as you are charging us. |
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Kephael
Caldari Shoot To Thrill Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2009.02.07 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: DrAtomic
Originally by: AkRoYeR Europeans whined about the American Dollar being more valuable for years!
Now they are whining about the Euro being more valuable than the dollar!
Right.... FYI the US Dollar has NEVER (That's a NEVER) been more valuable then the Euro from the day it was introduced.
Just allow us to select the currency we like to pay in and the issue is solved, or charge the US player base the same as you are charging us.
Pay via PayPal, problem solved. |
Claudia Jefferson
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Posted - 2009.02.07 13:19:00 -
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Edited by: Claudia Jefferson on 07/02/2009 13:19:41 Edited by: Claudia Jefferson on 07/02/2009 13:19:16 The price difference is down to VAT. It is not that difficult to understand?
EU based companies (even though Island is not a member of EU i think the same rules are applied to them, to make it easier for them to trade with EU countries) when they make trade with a company in another EU country they do not put VAT on their bill, but when they make trade with a private person within the borders of EU they have to put their own countries VAT on the invoice. When a EU based company trade with a person or company outside the EU they do not put VAT on the invoice. |
Anson Halleck
Lost Eden
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Posted - 2009.02.07 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: hcydo I really don't get it. You must be an idiot to buy something for 34.99EUR when you can get same for 34.99USD.
Changing currency from USD to EUR without chaning numbers, literally means, rising price for 20-30%! And to think that no one will notice? I do know that there can be additonal credit card transaction fees, and blah-blah.
I also don't get why people buy real time card, pay for delivery, and enter ETC fuzzy letters with their hands. I go to BattleClinic, they sell 60 day ETC in USD (they accept credit cards using PayPal, no fee) and send it to you next day via email, copy-paste.
Steam did same recently. Hey, leave the numbers, change currency to real ISK!
What the hell military experts are thinking?
EUR price includes VAT, which is 24.5%. VAT must be charged to any EU customer.
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hcydo
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Posted - 2009.02.07 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Anson Halleck
Originally by: hcydo I really don't get it. You must be an idiot to buy something for 34.99EUR when you can get same for 34.99USD.
Changing currency from USD to EUR without chaning numbers, literally means, rising price for 20-30%! And to think that no one will notice? I do know that there can be additonal credit card transaction fees, and blah-blah.
I also don't get why people buy real time card, pay for delivery, and enter ETC fuzzy letters with their hands. I go to BattleClinic, they sell 60 day ETC in USD (they accept credit cards using PayPal, no fee) and send it to you next day via email, copy-paste.
Steam did same recently. Hey, leave the numbers, change currency to real ISK!
What the hell military experts are thinking?
EUR price includes VAT, which is 24.5%. VAT must be charged to any EU customer.
Makes sense, indeed. If i buy ETC on BattleClinic (which is U.S. based, not sure) -- this is a way how to avoid paying EU VAT? Sounds like exploit.
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Robacz
Essence Trade Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.07 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: hcydo Makes sense, indeed. If i buy ETC on BattleClinic (which is U.S. based, not sure) -- this is a way how to avoid paying EU VAT? Sounds like exploit.
Yes, you can avoid paying VAT that way. However the law says you have to pay VAT, so technically it is a tax avoidance. |
Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.07 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Robacz
Originally by: hcydo Makes sense, indeed. If i buy ETC on BattleClinic (which is U.S. based, not sure) -- this is a way how to avoid paying EU VAT? Sounds like exploit.
Yes, you can avoid paying VAT that way. However the law says you have to pay VAT, so technically it is a tax avoidance.
In other words hope for lax governance.
Cause tax avoidance tends to have high fines :) |
eladi
Gallente Interstellar Federal Forces
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Posted - 2009.02.07 14:22:00 -
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VAt is for outside the EU, each country in the E has its own Tax system for internal (europe) payments.
I just keep ordering GTC's from us sites. problem solved. |
Anson Halleck
Lost Eden
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Posted - 2009.02.07 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: eladi VAt is for outside the EU, each country in the E has its own Tax system for internal (europe) payments.
I just keep ordering GTC's from us sites. problem solved.
Value Added Tax is for EU citizens and the VAT system is pan-european. The only thing that differs is actual VAT rate. You are always charged the VAT valid in country of seller. Additionaly, European VAT system is shared by EEA countries like Iceland. Customers out of EU can ask for VAT refund, because they are not obliged to pay it.
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Morsus Argent
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Posted - 2009.02.07 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Hyveres
Originally by: Robacz Yes, you can avoid paying VAT that way. However the law says you have to pay VAT, so technically it is a tax avoidance.
In other words hope for lax governance.
Cause tax avoidance tends to have high fines :)
Actually, tax avoidance has no fines, because the term refers to using legal means to reduce the amount of tax you pay.
Tax evasion is the term used to refer to evading tax illegally. In most countries, buying something from a lower or untaxed country to avoid paying VAT is illegal, so if you're in the EU, buying timecards from the USA to avoid the VAT is technically tax evasion. |
hcydo
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Posted - 2009.02.07 14:45:00 -
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Yep, it really makes sense. I checked Steam, same thing: when you were purchasing products in USD, on checkout there was additional surplus row with VAT and grand total price was higher. Now, when prices are in EUR, there is "All prices include VAT where applicable" title.
It would be clear from begining, if there would be small notice about VAT on "Purchase Concord 30 Day Pilot License Extension" screen, or somewhere. |
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hcydo
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Posted - 2009.02.07 14:54:00 -
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"Players in the EU have to pay in Euros as CCP has to pay VAT to the EU. This VAT is taken off the amount paid by the player." http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=498
My bad . |
AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.07 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: DrAtomic
Originally by: AkRoYeR Europeans whined about the American Dollar being more valuable for years!
Now they are whining about the Euro being more valuable than the dollar!
Right.... FYI the US Dollar has NEVER (That's a NEVER) been more valuable then the Euro from the day it was introduced.
Just allow us to select the currency we like to pay in and the issue is solved, or charge the US player base the same as you are charging us.
Wrong...FYI I did not state "EURO". Reading comprehension FYL!
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2009.02.07 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: hcydo I really don't get it. You must be an idiot to buy something for 34.99EUR when you can get same for 34.99USD.
Please see this KB article:- "Prices are $34,99 or Ç34,99 depending on your location."
- "Players in the EU have to pay in Euros as CCP has to pay VAT to the EU."
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.07 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer Please see this KB article:- "Prices are $34,99 or Ç34,99 depending on your location."
- "Players in the EU have to pay in Euros as CCP has to pay VAT to the EU."
DEVPWNT
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.07 16:30:00 -
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no EU-gov pwnd |
Admiral IceBlock
Caldari Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2009.02.07 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: hcydo I really don't get it. You must be an idiot to buy something for 34.99EUR when you can get same for 34.99USD.
Please see this KB article:- "Prices are $34,99 or Ç34,99 depending on your location."
- "Players in the EU have to pay in Euros as CCP has to pay VAT to the EU."
This tax you speak of has never been an issue before? Like couple of years ago? And to use currency as a mean of taxation is not something any creditable company would do, as the taxation will vary depending on the currency.
So CCP, surprise me, what happens if the EURO < USD? When one dollar equals one and a half euro?! |
Morsus Argent
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Posted - 2009.02.07 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn DEVPWNT
It's not really PWNT when the OP posted the same link and quote an hour before the dev, is it...
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Gregor Vernof
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.07 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock So CCP, surprise me, what happens if the EURO < USD? When one dollar equals one and a half euro?!
Hmmm, you know I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say... continue charging the same numerical values regardless of actual attached monetary value.
Of course the only difference then will be the US players crying foul and the European players saying it's all about LOCAL expectation of value for services rather than some perceived global inequality. |
ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.07 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: ElCoCo on 07/02/2009 18:12:36
Originally by: CCP Explorer "Players in the EU have to pay in Euros as CCP has to pay VAT to the EU."
Paying in a different currency than euro doesn't mean you can't charge VAT. So in short, you're either losing money from ppl that are paying in USD or you're overcharging ppl paying in euros. But yeah, we've had this discussion a million times.
edit: Just to say, maybe you should revise your pricing based on currency rates (every now and then) |
Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.07 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: hcydo I really don't get it. You must be an idiot to buy something for 34.99EUR when you can get same for 34.99USD.
Please see this KB article:- "Prices are $34,99 or Ç34,99 depending on your location."
- "Players in the EU have to pay in Euros as CCP has to pay VAT to the EU."
Can i get an American friend to buy it for me and he gives me the code? :p |
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