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Ham burgers
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.13 18:22:00 -
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One of the biggest issues I see in null sec is logistics.
For older players its easy, everything can be tech II or common meta 4s, and you can jump most of the things down yourself.
However new players general use meta / tech II combo fits and usually end up begging people to jump ships or flying them down.
Because there are few pipes into null sec space, this results in two things.
1. 70% of them are camped at any time. 2. A lot of new players quickly getting discourage at the huge difficulty of replacing ships.
I propose adding about 10 new low sec systems.
Each system would access to..
-Two low sec systems -One null sec system, not previously accessible from low sec. -At least 2 stations.
I would hope this could get more people to null sec by creating more non-capital staging areas. |
Havak Kouvo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.13 18:30:00 -
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Ham burgers wrote:One of the biggest issues I see in null sec is logistics.
For older players its easy, everything can be tech II or common meta 4s, and you can jump most of the things down yourself.
However new players general use meta / tech II combo fits and usually end up begging people to jump ships or flying them down.
Because there are few pipes into null sec space, this results in two things.
1. 70% of them are camped at any time. 2. A lot of new players quickly getting discourage at the huge difficulty of replacing ships.
I propose adding about 10 new low sec systems.
Each system would access to..
-Two low sec systems -One null sec system, not previously accessible from low sec. -At least 2 stations.
I would hope this could get more people to null sec by creating more non-capital staging areas.
Improve the logistical organization of your corp/alliance. Problem solved. NOT SUPPORTED. |
Ham burgers
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.13 18:40:00 -
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Snappy comeback, but what about newer and smaller corporations trying to get a foothold?
Did you really need to quote everything? |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.09.13 19:05:00 -
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Hmm... not a bad start. Could adjust/add a few more gates as well to existing systems, and it doesn't break anything already working fine. Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Carnadyne
Galactic Alta Imperata
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Posted - 2011.09.13 19:26:00 -
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While I agree with the OP, its more complicated than that. I know those who live in null-sec right now won't agree, but its staggering how many people are just sitting in empire running missions or mining, and missing a huge potential part of the game. I know, its their right to do so, but why not find a way to open it up? There should be more to 0.0. than just giant alliances and player sov.
Some other issues-
0.0 has the reputation of being only for large organized corps that fight huge fleet battles, or cloaky pirates that catch strays.
While null-sec is fine for said organized larger corps, not everyone plays in those. There are many solo players, and many small corps that just cannot win past the gangs of gate campers with bubbles all around. After a few one-sided losses, they give up.
Another issue is the whole risk-reward for 0.0, for those who currently live in empire space. Why go lose a 200+ hulk for only a minor gain anyway, when hi-sec is so lucrative for mining?
Exploration, research, PI, and construction all supposedly are better in 0.0, but tough to justify right now. Maybe if they were even more so, and perhaps even things that aren't available in empire.
I'd love rare stuff that only occurs in 0.0, maybe not a giant mutant space goat, but some events that only occur there.
My suggestions-
- add a lot more gates to null-sec, would minimize camping - adjust materials to make mining more valuable in 0.0 - make more things that can only be researched, etc out in 0.0 - more archaelogy/hacking/exploration stuff - more NPC sov, creating more potentially accessible areas
In short, give more incentive to go there, and make it more accessible. |
Havak Kouvo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.13 20:02:00 -
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Ham burgers wrote:Snappy comeback, but what about newer and smaller corporations trying to get a foothold?
Did you really need to quote everything?
Go to low-sec. Its closer to empire and (depending on where you go) safer and easier to conduct convoys for ships and supplies. If you can't move yourself or corp to null-sec, then you should be in null-sec. |
Carnadyne
Galactic Alta Imperata
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Posted - 2011.09.13 20:15:00 -
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Quote:Go to low-sec. Its closer to empire and (depending on where you go) safer and easier to conduct convoys for ships and supplies. If you can't move yourself or corp to null-sec, then you should be in null-sec.
Thats a nice answer for more of the same. The whole point is how can we get more people out there, not just "your corp is too small so suck it".
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Havak Kouvo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.13 20:22:00 -
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Carnadyne wrote:Quote:Go to low-sec. Its closer to empire and (depending on where you go) safer and easier to conduct convoys for ships and supplies. If you can't move yourself or corp to null-sec, then you should be in null-sec. Thats a nice answer for more of the same. The whole point is how can we get more people out there, not just "your corp is too small so suck it".
Join an alliance that does have that capability and is willing to help. Adapt to the harsh life of null-sec instead of having it adapt to you for a change. This is a non-issue. This particular system is working as intended. What can be done is updating the system and adding new features to make organizing such trips easier, not suddenly allow any casual player to do it. |
Carnadyne
Galactic Alta Imperata
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Posted - 2011.09.13 20:41:00 -
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Quote:This is a non-issue. This particular system is working as intended. What can be done is updating the system and adding new features to make organizing such trips easier, not suddenly allow any casual player to do it.
Apparently CCP does not agree with you -its been the topic in multiple dev logs - for example CCP Soundwave's dev blog where he comments about:
* Is 0.0 industry currently geared to support the population living there? * Is the relationship between 0.0 and empire balanced well enough? * Does the current sovereignty system meet our goals? * Are there enough incentives for conflict/pvp outside sov? * Are we happy with movement/player interaction?
There have been other dev comments about "getting people out of empire to visit 0.0" as well.
Sorry that you are happy with the way things are, but the game needs to evolve or die.
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David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.09.13 21:52:00 -
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its dead easy to get stuff into 0.0 using red frog or alliance jf's rorqual's & carriers or even via wormholes.
also getting more people in to 0.0 would require
1. restoring anoms to pre nerf - the new nerfed anoms make it it hard for lots of people to make isk in a single system.
2. sort out the lag - time dialation should help in this situ)
3. sort out the super blobs - due this winter with the long awaited super nerf
4. reducing the cost of upgrading outposts - this would help improve existing outposts and reduce the need to spam more
5. pos improvements - a much needed fix to make living out of a pos a better experience for all
6. Adding medical services to at least one station per constellation in npc null sec.
7. Adding more npc stations in great wildlands & outer ring regions.
8. tougher anti bot patrols by ccp.
9. increasing carrier's fuel bay size to 8000m3 to allow for multiple jumps both directions.
10. adding more npc null sec regions to accomodate smaller alliances that dont want to rent from drf. |
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.13 22:20:00 -
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the problem with getting people to 0.0 is its impossible for existing corps/alliances to go to nullsec without being renters ( aka 3rd class citizens) as a single person trying to get into a 0.0 alliance u have to be usually very good, always go to CTA's and other BS that most people don't want to deal with. oh and chances are its a scam or you will die on the way down there. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.09.13 22:32:00 -
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One of the main things that deters me from going out into 0.0 is that I VERY much dislike the bureaucracy of 0.0 alliances and they way they do things in general.
Register with an alliance forum by Inputting your API... wait a week for confirmation... get yelled at by people in the alliance for not being part of the forum even though you can't join them without getting confirmation... get confirmed... find out on the forum that you have to go to another site and input your info and API and get confirmed again to join TS/Vent/Mumble... get yelled at some more... get into TS/Vent/Mumble... get permissions for the channels you need... get questioned WHY you have these permissions by people at a later time and have them removed... get yelled at some more... get your permissions reinstated... get yelled at by your corp/alliance again because you haven't registered with your alliance's allies Forum/audio chat... input your info and API to those and wait for confirmation... FINALLY get permission to go out and make some ISK off of anomalies/sanctums/plexes but ONLY in "XXXX" system... as soon as you start farming ISK you get called out to a CTA op... find out you can't join the CTA op because it calls for you to use EXACTLY the ship and mods you have no skills for... get yelled at some more...
Yeah... I don't to relive that experience. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Nezumiiro Noneko
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.09.14 00:38:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:oh and chances are its a scam or you will die on the way down there.
thats only if dumb enough to trust goons really. Soon as people realize they are just like pl in that you need a 100% guaranteed real deal leadership friend inside hookup with them saying yes you are in the club or you are getting screwed that scam would fall off the vine.
Gate camps and limited paths....stop using eve automap. Download ombeve maps. Already lots of ways to get around in this game, you need to research them in rl. Here is a secret of gankers revealed for free. They use that same automap feature. they plot courses from common gateways, see chokepoints and set up shop. Ombeve maps will show the back ways in autopilot mapping won't. Longer trip, may still hit camps but it a small chance they won't be pro insta death camps (they are usually on the gates autopilot map gives out). Lots of ways to get to x-7 for example that are way safer than ec- gate. Longer journey, but one that can actually be made in one piece with luck and skill.
Blobbers have been unable to squash all the non-space holding corps and alliances in 0.0.....its not impossible. Not sure how to do this might want to research the skirmish alliances and corps that live out there. Maybe run with them a bit, cut your teeth with some good guidance. Not saying you have to, but it be advisable. these skirmishers aren't the blob. Hell, most only hit pos' to bait fights, and that's when really bored.
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Saphyrie
Nefantar Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.09.14 01:18:00 -
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Reason people don't go into null is the risk isn't worth the reward. I used to be a null pilot, living in Branch for several months. I make more money in highsec, with no risk. There's no incentive to go to null for me, it just ends up costing me money when my ships get killed.
I never ever profitted in null. The losses outweighed my gains ALWAYS. Pointless. Y'all can have it to yerselves.
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DetKhord Saisio
Unchained Potential Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.19 17:20:00 -
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Saphyrie wrote:Reason people don't go into null is the risk isn't worth the reward. I used to be a null pilot, living in Branch for several months. I make more money in highsec, with no risk. There's no incentive to go to null for me, it just ends up costing me money when my ships get killed.
I never ever profitted in null. The losses outweighed my gains ALWAYS. Pointless. Y'all can have it to yerselves.
True for some things, not so for others. Depends on location I imagine. Like PI can be very good source of income in nul versus lets say mining nul. Both can be profitable if you are careful and avoid losing ships. From what I have heard, most ppl in nul kill pve ships so like sanctums etc; others pvp those players for their loot, which can also be very profitable.
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Russell Casey
Black Corsairs
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Posted - 2011.09.19 21:56:00 -
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More entry points. The chokes and having to fly 40 jumps out to nowhere even if you do manage to get in a renter's alliance suck. CCP is also talking about trying to get people to npc 0.0, though again, most casuals would rather just hop on and make some isk rather than have to try to wait out a station camp. |
King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.09.20 02:26:00 -
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More npc null sec and a few more access points would be good additions. I'm not sure it would really lure anyone new out but those are things that are just needed since eve has grown so much over the years. |
Soldarius
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
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Posted - 2011.09.20 04:16:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:One of the main things that deters me from going out into 0.0 is that I VERY much dislike the bureaucracy of 0.0 alliances and they way they do things in general.
Register with an alliance forum by Inputting your API... wait a week for confirmation... get yelled at by people in the alliance for not being part of the forum even though you can't join it without getting confirmation... get confirmed... find out on the forum that you have to go to another site and input your info and API and get confirmed again to join TS/Vent/Mumble... get yelled at some more... get into TS/Vent/Mumble... get permissions for the channels you need... get questioned WHY you have these permissions by people at a later time and have them removed... get yelled at some more... get your permissions reinstated... get yelled at by your corp/alliance again because you haven't registered with your alliance's allies forum/audio chat... input your info and API to those and wait for confirmation... FINALLY get permission to go out and make some ISK off of anomalies/sanctums/plexes but ONLY in "XXXX" system... as soon as you start farming ISK you get called out to a CTA op... find out you can't join the CTA op because it calls for you to use EXACTLY the ship and mods you have no skills for... get yelled at some more...
Yeah... I don't want to relive that experience.
qft. Was great when they would demand a certain ship and fit, and the damn things weren't even available on the market.
And adding: then lose your space because your fail/greedy alliance leaders were embezzleing the moon income instead of funding the ship replacement program. In 20 months of nulsec living, I never once got a ship reimbursed. **** all you greedy bastards. You can take your egotrip nulsec sovereign alliances and shove em up your ass. Yeah, I'm mad. And bitter.
"How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.09.20 18:17:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:One of the main things that deters me from going out into 0.0 is that I VERY much dislike the bureaucracy of 0.0 alliances and they way they do things in general.
Register with an alliance forum by Inputting your API... wait a week for confirmation... get yelled at by people in the alliance for not being part of the forum even though you can't join it without getting confirmation... get confirmed... find out on the forum that you have to go to another site and input your info and API and get confirmed again to join TS/Vent/Mumble... get yelled at some more... get into TS/Vent/Mumble... get permissions for the channels you need... get questioned WHY you have these permissions by people at a later time and have them removed... get yelled at some more... get your permissions reinstated... get yelled at by your corp/alliance again because you haven't registered with your alliance's allies forum/audio chat... input your info and API to those and wait for confirmation... FINALLY get permission to go out and make some ISK off of anomalies/sanctums/plexes but ONLY in "XXXX" system... as soon as you start farming ISK you get called out to a CTA op... find out you can't join the CTA op because it calls for you to use EXACTLY the ship and mods you have no skills for... get yelled at some more...
Yeah... I don't want to relive that experience. qft. Was great when they would demand a certain ship and fit, and the damn things weren't even available on the market. And adding: then lose your space because your fail/greedy alliance leaders were embezzleing the moon income instead of funding the ship replacement program. In 20 months of nulsec living, I never once got a ship reimbursed. **** all you greedy bastards. You can take your egotrip nulsec sovereign alliances and shove em up your ass. Yeah, I'm mad. And bitter.
maybe you guys should find alliances that aren't terrible? Try TEST, or talk to your friendly goonwaffe recruiter. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.09.20 20:41:00 -
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If I am not in null sec, it is because I don't want to be there
If corps want to get newbies there, they can run escort fleets CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |
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