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Kwa Kaine
eXceed Inc. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:37:00 -
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Quick thing as i have to rush out after only 2 mins on sisi.
Why are minmatar getting the split weapons system shaft again? |
Morgan La'Chance
Caldari Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:39:00 -
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You have to be kidding me. |
Freder1ck
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:40:00 -
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Are the new ships verticle? |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Morgan La'Chance You have to be kidding me.
This X 1000, good thing I have only few hours of amarr cruiser 5 left, so I don't have to put up with this abuse any more. |
Morgan La'Chance
Caldari Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:45:00 -
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Give me some details.
Also, is the dronebay malformed? Oi vey, Scimitar's poor 45m3 bay. |
Seishi Maru
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:45:00 -
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Sppli weaposnw ould not be bad if they had bonuses liek naglfar rof one (7.5% rof per level).... |
Linkel
Minmatar Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:04:00 -
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FFS CCP, stop shafting US!!!!!!!!! |
ArmyOfMe
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:05:00 -
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please tell me your joking |
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CCP Atropos
C C P
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kwa Kaine Quick thing as i have to rush out after only 2 mins on sisi.
Why are minmatar getting the split weapons system shaft again?
Could you elaborate more? If you're referring to Tech 3, I'll point you this way.
Software Engineer CCP Engineering Services |
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PrimaryIsYou
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Seishi Maru Sppli weaposnw ould not be bad if they had bonuses liek naglfar rof one (7.5% rof per level)....
No. Split weapons are pretty much terrible in just about every case. The Naglfar is not good, it's not even average. It sucks.
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DasDizzy
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: PrimaryIsYou
Originally by: Seishi Maru Sppli weaposnw ould not be bad if they had bonuses liek naglfar rof one (7.5% rof per level)....
No. Split weapons are pretty much terrible in just about every case. The Naglfar is not good, it's not even average. It sucks.
the phoon is pretty good [SIG START]
Everything i say is the view of the rest of the eve cluster, IM THE PRESSDUDE FFS
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Random Womble
Minmatar Master Miners
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Random Womble on 09/02/2009 15:32:35
Originally by: Seishi Maru Sppli weaposnw ould not be bad if they had bonuses liek naglfar rof one (7.5% rof per level)....
Er yea thats why even with that bonus and dread Lv4 nag does more damage with blasters than autos and even maxed out skills more damage with beams than artys clearly that bonus is enough to make up for the ****ty split weapons
As i have said before a dev actually admitted with the nightmare and the other sansha ships that split weapons sucked and so they changed it to its maruader like bonus it has today yet time and time again minmatar still get the same screwed bonuses and generally get less mids and lows because extra wasted highs to try and make up for split weapons.
I doubt very much there are many if any minmatar pilots that want another split weapon ship.
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Reatu Krentor
Minmatar Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Random Womble Edited by: Random Womble on 09/02/2009 15:32:35
Originally by: Seishi Maru Sppli weaposnw ould not be bad if they had bonuses liek naglfar rof one (7.5% rof per level)....
Er yea thats why even with that bonus and dread Lv4 nag does more damage with blasters than autos and even maxed out skills more damage with beams than artys clearly that bonus is enough to make up for the ****ty split weapons
As i have said before a dev actually admitted with the nightmare and the other sansha ships that split weapons sucked and so they changed it to its maruader like bonus it has today yet time and time again minmatar still get the same screwed bonuses and generally get less mids and lows because extra wasted highs to try and make up for split weapons.
I doubt very much there are many if any minmatar pilots that want another split weapon ship.
I like the concept of them but in eve they're just not working as they should, weapon system boosting modules are split as well, making it hard(to impossible) to boost your dps using half guns half launchers. On top of that there's that all ships only get 2 bonuses, with having 2 weapon systems that's one bonus for each(often the same bonus on both like on typhoon, resulting in kinda only having one bonus for split weapon ships). Atm Typhoon works only because torps are really good at pouring on the damage and it has the low slots to put a strong tank. Look at fleet scythe which is like a mini-phoon but doesn't have the slots for a tank, it's just a really poor ship.
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Lumy
Minmatar eXceed Inc. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lumy on 09/02/2009 16:08:16 Give it a time, guys. When they release finalized offensive subsystems, I'm pretty sure there will couple of them with +enough turret hardpoinsts and some subsystems with +enough missile hardpoints. |
Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.02.09 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: DasDizzy
Originally by: PrimaryIsYou
Originally by: Seishi Maru Sppli weaposnw ould not be bad if they had bonuses liek naglfar rof one (7.5% rof per level)....
No. Split weapons are pretty much terrible in just about every case. The Naglfar is not good, it's not even average. It sucks.
the phoon is pretty good
cause it stands out w/ its (spare) drones and a focused slot layout. neither nagl nor fleet isue scythe can say that about themselves - putting the gist back into logistics |
Writ Insand
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Posted - 2009.02.09 16:41:00 -
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I think the OP is griping that on Sisi, the Minmatar T3 ship ('Loki') currently has 5 high slots, 3 turret hardpoints, and 3 launcher hardpoints. The upgrades affecting weapons all appear to give +1 high slot, +1 turret hard point, and +1 launcher hardpoint. I couldn't find any mention of bonuses, which can of course create extra weapons out of nowhere, changing everything.
Anyhow, if it were to be released in its current highly unfinished state, it appears that the Minmatar legoship would be stuck fitting a mix of guns and missiles. |
Bonny Lee
Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.09 17:06:00 -
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Hell no! Please dont give us any further split ships. Phoon is cool but please not on t3!!!!
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.02.09 17:15:00 -
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Hmm...I know one problem with split weapons is that to max dps is to use 6 weapon upgrade mods in the lows...Do you guys think a new mod that does a split bonus would work?
CCP Atlas - The Short Story - "With Quantum Rise, we kind of messed up the performance of the EVE client."
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Compendium
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Posted - 2009.02.09 17:25:00 -
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It's disappointing to see that the Tempest still didn't get an additional turret hardpoint. Same for the Tempest Fleet Issue. Artillery and large Autocannons still need a little help.
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Jalif
Black Sinisters Freedom of Elbas
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Posted - 2009.02.09 18:32:00 -
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not so fund of a dual weapon system either. But notting is to be said yet. Im just wondering when minmatar get their FOTM time.
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Pesadel0
Minmatar Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.09 18:48:00 -
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I hope this is a troll because ....
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Elaron
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.02.09 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Compendium It's disappointing to see that the Tempest still didn't get an additional turret hardpoint. Same for the Tempest Fleet Issue. Artillery and large Autocannons still need a little help.
My guess is that there will be no general ship / module balancing in Apocrypha. Some bug fixes maybe, but no substantive changes.
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Jennifer Celeste
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Posted - 2009.02.09 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jalif ;/
not so fund of a dual weapon system either. But notting is to be said yet. Im just wondering when minmatar get their FOTM time.
maybe you missed the nano***gotry that had everyone flying a vaga, huginn, rapier for the last 2 years? |
Random Womble
Minmatar Master Miners
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Posted - 2009.02.09 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Celeste
Originally by: Jalif ;/
not so fund of a dual weapon system either. But notting is to be said yet. Im just wondering when minmatar get their FOTM time.
maybe you missed the nano***gotry that had everyone flying a vaga, huginn, rapier for the last 2 years?
Which also applied to curse, ishtar hell i even had a nanoed cerb even then the vagas, huginns and rapiers still were not the be all and end all.
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Jennifer Celeste
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Posted - 2009.02.09 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Random Womble
Originally by: Jennifer Celeste
Originally by: Jalif ;/
not so fund of a dual weapon system either. But notting is to be said yet. Im just wondering when minmatar get their FOTM time.
maybe you missed the nano***gotry that had everyone flying a vaga, huginn, rapier for the last 2 years?
Which also applied to curse, ishtar hell i even had a nanoed cerb even then the vagas, huginns and rapiers still were not the be all and end all.
they may not have been the only nano boats....but they were, and still remain, the fastest non-interceptors on the field. If you're going to argue that their "split" weapons systems are a cause for serious concern, you're not playing the race correctly.
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Random Womble
Minmatar Master Miners
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Posted - 2009.02.09 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Celeste
Originally by: Random Womble
Originally by: Jennifer Celeste
Originally by: Jalif ;/
not so fund of a dual weapon system either. But notting is to be said yet. Im just wondering when minmatar get their FOTM time.
maybe you missed the nano***gotry that had everyone flying a vaga, huginn, rapier for the last 2 years?
Which also applied to curse, ishtar hell i even had a nanoed cerb even then the vagas, huginns and rapiers still were not the be all and end all.
they may not have been the only nano boats....but they were, and still remain, the fastest non-interceptors on the field. If you're going to argue that their "split" weapons systems are a cause for serious concern, you're not playing the race correctly.
Try nanoing a naglfar.
Other than that i dont fly the fleet scythe because well its crap so why buy it and tbh im not a big fan of the typhoon either and i have a minmatar character with maxed missile support skills T2 torps (only T1 cruise tho), maxed gunnery support skills T2 large guns and about 5.6mil in drones but hey thats my personal veiw.
Vaga is still used in PvP but the huginn is now very poor mainly because of the web nerf not the speed one and same applies to rapier.
Intresting fact for you the claw and stiletto are heavier than any other interceptors while the crow is the lightest bit odd for the nano race eh. |
Kendrix Arathan
Minmatar N00bs With Guns
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Posted - 2009.02.09 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kwa Kaine Quick thing as i have to rush out after only 2 mins on sisi.
Why are minmatar getting the split weapons system shaft again?
Bolded the important part
you saw something and rushed to start a QQ crusade against it before even knowing what you saw.
Originally by: CCP Nozh Hey!
Quick notes about Tech 3 ships that are about to be published on Singularity.
- Stats on the subsystems are placeholders for now, only used for testing purposes to see if they actually work
- Updates to subsystem stats, effects and bonuses will be made frequently until release
A devblog or two will be published in the coming days, with more information about the tech 3 functionality.
what we know so far (as things are right now): The mini ship starts w/ 3 launcher and 3 turret slots The subsystems modules have the ability to add/remove: Slots, hard points, Drone bay space and effect seemingly all ship stats
So in short this is what we know :
Originally by: CCP Atropos this
Good job of nerd raging about tnothing though, you've doen the Internets proud |
Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.02.09 20:35:00 -
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Loki currently has 5 highs and a 3/3 turret/missile loadout. Some of the subsystems give +1 turrets, for example. Doesn't sound too "split weapon" to me.
And that's completely ignoring the "this is going to change completely anyhow" thing. |
Jennifer Celeste
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Posted - 2009.02.09 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Random Womble
Try nanoing a naglfar.
it has become quite clear that you're just trolling...not worthy of entertaining you with another post. Sorry
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.02.10 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Random Womble Edited by: Random Womble on 09/02/2009 15:32:35
Originally by: Seishi Maru Sppli weaposnw ould not be bad if they had bonuses liek naglfar rof one (7.5% rof per level)....
Er yea thats why even with that bonus and dread Lv4 nag does more damage with blasters than autos and even maxed out skills more damage with beams than artys clearly that bonus is enough to make up for the ****ty split weapons
As i have said before a dev actually admitted with the nightmare and the other sansha ships that split weapons sucked and so they changed it to its maruader like bonus it has today yet time and time again minmatar still get the same screwed bonuses and generally get less mids and lows because extra wasted highs to try and make up for split weapons.
I doubt very much there are many if any minmatar pilots that want another split weapon ship.
pay attention on what i said. THat woudl mean ALL weaposn havign those bonuses. Guns and missiles.
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