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Tank CEO
Caldari Dark Cartel
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Posted - 2009.02.10 05:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tank CEO on 10/02/2009 05:28:49 Whos with me? I will kill them all, I shall go back to -10, I shall play again as long as im -10, since ive been -1.2, Iquit and sat in jita. This shall stop and I shall pirate. |
Tank CEO
Caldari Dark Cartel
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Posted - 2009.02.10 05:30:00 -
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Well actually, Fear2 is coming out tomorrow, so maybe next week or something i shall start! |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2009.02.10 05:33:00 -
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send me isk and i'll help. I'm too poor to blow isk on killing worthless macroers. |
Tank CEO
Caldari Dark Cartel
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Posted - 2009.02.10 05:33:00 -
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You know they pay ransom. |
MidnightMartyr
Gallente NailorTech Industries Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.02.10 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tank CEO You know they pay ransom.
I have a question... If they are paying ransoms then they would need to be at their computers, which means their not using a macro. So essentially you are just ganking someone while perpetuation the racist (and lets not forget false) notion that all or even most of macro farmers are Asian.
Interesting. |
Gin G
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.10 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: MidnightMartyr
Originally by: Tank CEO You know they pay ransom.
Ithe racist (and lets not forget false) notion that all or even most of macro farmers are Asian.
Interesting.
Here we go again. |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.10 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tank CEO Edited by: Tank CEO on 10/02/2009 05:28:49 Whos with me? I will kill them all, I shall go back to -10, I shall play again as long as im -10, since ive been -1.2, Iquit and sat in jita. This shall stop and I shall pirate.
Awesome news! Kick start that drop with a smartbombing bs when you undock form jita 4-4. |
Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.02.10 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: MidnightMartyr
Originally by: Tank CEO You know they pay ransom.
I have a question... If they are paying ransoms then they would need to be at their computers, which means their not using a macro. So essentially you are just ganking someone while perpetuation the racist (and lets not forget false) notion that all or even most of macro farmers are Asian.
Interesting.
Well it could be the macro that is paying the ransom. Of course it'd be borderlining on AI if it could decide whether it needed to pay a ransom or not, and then we'd run into questions on whether an AI playing is really violating the EULA. This would lead to a big threadnought debating why this is a good/bad thing.
Best to just assume everyone you want to kill is a macro. It prevents everyone from suffering needlessly. |
Loyal Servant
Caldari PURE Legion KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.10 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: MidnightMartyr
So essentially you are just ganking someone while perpetuation the racist (and lets not forget false) notion that all or even most of macro farmers are Asian.
Find me one that isn't.
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Tank CEO
Caldari Dark Cartel
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Posted - 2009.02.10 05:52:00 -
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Some are not always away from the computer. Anywas, whats the difference, they do this grueling isk farming all day long, they mine as well be named macro.
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Tank CEO
Caldari Dark Cartel
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Posted - 2009.02.10 05:52:00 -
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Also, im racist against gallente
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Lurana Lay
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.10 05:57:00 -
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Quote: racist (and lets not forget false) notion that all or even most of macro farmers are Asian.
He said Chinese, not Asian. Since when was China a race?
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Tatianna
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Posted - 2009.02.10 06:41:00 -
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Now that was just stupid. |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.10 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lurana Lay
Quote: racist (and lets not forget false) notion that all or even most of macro farmers are Asian.
He said Chinese, not Asian. Since when was China a race?
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Schani Kratnorr
x13
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Posted - 2009.02.10 07:51:00 -
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Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 10/02/2009 07:51:32
Originally by: MidnightMartyr
Originally by: Tank CEO You know they pay ransom.
I have a question... If they are paying ransoms then they would need to be at their computers, which means their not using a macro. So essentially you are just ganking someone while perpetuation the racist (and lets not forget false) notion that all or even most of macro farmers are Asian.
Interesting.
Your 'question' is not really a question. You start off with one, but end the sentance with a statement - >>which means their not using a macro.<<
After that, you make your own prejudiced statement, that the OP is >>...just ganking someone...<< The sentance is still not a question. Rather it is a line of reasoning.
Not content, you have a swing at proper reasoning yourself. You claim to have knowledge, that it is a false statement, that all (or a majority) macro farmers are Asian. You failed to notice that the OP named chinese, not asians as you wrote.
You also failed to provide any evidence to substantiate your claim - that asians (or chinese if you like) are NOT in a majority among macro users. Simply turning the argument upside down, does not make you right. Both you and the OP, lack the evidence to enable you to say anything substantial, about the distribution of nationalities among players using macros.
So analysing your reply, we find the following errors:
- Claims to be a question when it is not
- Contains an unfounded and prejudiced line of reasoning
- Makes a generalisation (equates chineese to asians)
- Makes unsupported "he said" claim.
- Claims to be interesting when it is not
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Originally by: Dictionary racist - a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
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Originally by: Dictionary prejudiced - being biased or having a belief or attitude formed beforehand
Also see: http://www.reference.com/browse/racist for a selection of references and definitions.
You might also want to read up on the word 'Racialism.' Some consider racism and racialism to synonymous, others do not. Read more here - http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Racialism |
Schani Kratnorr
x13
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Posted - 2009.02.10 08:17:00 -
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It is also interesting to note, that it is not illegal to be a racist. In many western countries, it is however against the law to hit someone, call them names, be biased and prejudiced based on race, nationality, religion, etc.
So as long as a racist keeps his opinions to himself, he can have any opinion he likes.
Perhaps for this very reason, the UN does not define racism. Is does however attempt to tackle prejudice - that is, crimes that have a racist motive (as defined by a law.)
The following statements are true to EVE, isk farmers and cheaters (macro users.)
Some character names are suspect. Reasoning: "I have taken great care to select a good name for MY character. Therefore I find it hard to believe, that others would not."
This is an analogy based on a general rule (that people behave the same.)
It is possible to find concentrations of characters with "funny names," in EVE. The names may "sound alike."
In itself this is not proof of anything. It could be one player with too many accounts for his own good.
It is possible to sit in certain systems and repeatedly kill the same characters over and over again. They dont resond to ransoms. They dont react to being ship and or podded. They fail to reply to evemails or convos... they just drone on.
This is in itself wierd, but not conclusive evidence that the player in question is using a macro, and thus cheating.
What happens with the whole macro-debate is that posters take each sub-statement and put it in a big pile. Once the pile of reasoning is large enough, they say >>Ohhhhh a macro!<< and press Submit.
Stricly speaking, there is no way that a player observing other players in a computer game can determine if theres is a human behind the wheel. The evidence may support parts of the claim, but does not refute all counter-arguments.
Examples: r) he did not answer his convos. a) he was afk or did not want to talk to you.
r) he has a wierd name. a) maybe he is devoid of imagination.
r) he keeps on doing the same thing over and over again. a) in EVE, so does everyone else.
The only completely correct staement you can make about macros in EVE is this:
If you have reason to do so, please petition (F11,) and let CCP investigate.
Having said that, you are still free to blow them up... |
Tank CEO
Caldari Dark Cartel
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Posted - 2009.02.10 09:50:00 -
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- A year ago, I killed isk farmers. Every victim was 'asian', they spoke manderine (forgive the spelling but im tired). Some responded to my conversations to ask for ransom, some did not, which inturn got podded, which indicates they are macro farming agent hauling missions or are just afk. So stfu you technical bastards. DAMN. I killed about 5 haulers every minute in my onyx, was fun, would loot the equipement and sell it back to them at 500% increased price, which they bought.
Enough said.. So, whos with me? Come join Dark Cartel if you want to pirate. I have the will to lead, If I have members and members willing to fit my set ups I assign to them to pwn in low-sec. So hit me up in like a week or 2 (after I get burnt out in FEAR 2). kthxbyegoodnight
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.02.10 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Trader20 on 10/02/2009 10:27:38
Originally by: Tank CEO You know they pay ransom.
OMG....they macro-ransom too. Seriously get a life dude....... |
Flex Carter
Caldari Caldari Independant Mining Association
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Posted - 2009.02.10 10:56:00 -
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Simply hilarious... |
Unforgivin
Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.10 12:12:00 -
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**** **** money in the bank?
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Resivan
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Posted - 2009.02.10 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Resivan on 10/02/2009 13:37:18
Originally by: Tank CEO Some are not always away from the computer. Anywas, whats the difference, they do this grueling isk farming all day long, they mine as well be named macro.
Uh huh.
NEWSFLASH: you really don't need an excuse to shoot at people in this game. We've all seen things like "Too many blues" and "We were bored" given and generally accepted a legitimate reasons to start a war.
Shoot at who you want to, don't waste everyone's time with lame rationales.
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Mag Mell
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Posted - 2009.02.10 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
So as long as a racist keeps his opinions to himself, he can have any opinion he likes.
in the USA, there is no requirement to keep ones opinions to oneself its called freedom of speech and is protected by the 1st amendment of our Bill of Rights its only illegal when it becomes slander/libel/threats/etc
macros are nearly impossible to tell from a bored player who has good timing get over the macros already. its a game and being righteous about ehonor is just phail |
Undeniable Existence
Questionable Practices
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Posted - 2009.02.10 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tank CEO chinese isk farmer rant
Who unbanned you from the forums?
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Aranis Lyautey
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr So analysing your reply, we find the following errors:
- Claims to be a question when it is not
- Contains an unfounded and prejudiced line of reasoning
- Makes a generalisation (equates chineese to asians)
- Makes unsupported "he said" claim.
- Claims to be interesting when it is not
Links & information
Originally by: Dictionary racist - a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
Brilliant, you win 4 internets. However, if you turn out to be a lawyer I'm going to have to shoot you
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tank CEO Some are not always away from the computer. Anywas, whats the difference, they do this grueling isk farming all day long, they mine as well be named macro.
Without miners.. there would be no ships, weapons, ammunition. Just nothing. Everthing you use was created by a miner (or later by a manufacturer)!!! Dont you realise...
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Plumpy McPudding
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Amerilia
Originally by: Tank CEO Some are not always away from the computer. Anywas, whats the difference, they do this grueling isk farming all day long, they mine as well be named macro.
Without miners.. there would be no ships, weapons, ammunition. Just nothing. Everthing you use was created by a miner (or later by a manufacturer)!!! Dont you realise...
I for one welcome our new macro hauling overlords. At least they don't overcharge! __________________________
Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Chip Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream. |
Kir'ian
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.10 18:00:00 -
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Everyone knows that all miners are macro'rs... and if they're not then they are piddly little carebears. And since EVE is all about the PVPrs then whether you are a carebear or miner you deserve to die because you aren't PVPing. How's that for logic?
Can I have a cookie? |
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.02.10 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Amerilia
Originally by: Tank CEO Some are not always away from the computer. Anywas, whats the difference, they do this grueling isk farming all day long, they mine as well be named macro.
Without miners.. there would be no ships, weapons, ammunition. Just nothing. Everthing you use was created by a miner (or later by a manufacturer)!!! Dont you realise...
I love when people make this argument, because it's based on an assumption that is 100% false, namely that whatever small group of miners the person belongs to is in any way important...
Mineral prices have been sitting on an artificial floor for ages now. Even when the goons did their jihad thing, the price of tech I ships remained as low as it could possibly be before self-destructing would be more profitable. Think about that for a minute. When the largest alliance in the game turned their attention to suicide ganking miners as often as possible, it STILL didn't have enough of an impact to really affect ship prices.
Oh and without miners we would still have ships, modules, ammo and all that other fun stuff. Reprocessing loot ftw \o/.
On the subject of ransoming and macros/farmers: Kill enough people from one guy's group (a well placed ship can completely shut down the entire operation) and macro or not, the guy behind the computer is gonna end up giving you isk to leave his guys alone. |
Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.02.10 18:07:00 -
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The route between Arzi and Schmaeel in Kor-Azor is a major hot spot. Probably 70-80 courier mission runners going back and forth amongst those systems, and nearby, including some ravens doing kill missions. It's very surreal seeing dozens of haulers in low sec.
Some of them have gotten very sophisticated too, even using blockade runners and tech2 equipment.
They relay information to each other also. When me and some corpmates tried to catch the ravens, they docked up just as we got in system and didn't come out while we were there. |
Hairtrigger
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.10 18:09:00 -
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well, im bored, so give me a shout on D-C when ya back and its up and runnin |
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