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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.02.21 02:53:00 -
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Sounds like it's going to be good times for making suicide alts.
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Camdim
Caldari The first genesis INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.02.21 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: Camdim on 21/02/2009 03:30:51 I guess I will chime in here with some of what I found from my testing pre the recent mirroring.
It took 3.5 days to get level 4 in the basic skills and level 3 in the advanced. From there it takes 2.5 days per basic to level 5 and takes 2.5 days to go from level 3 to a level 4 advanced skill. In the learning skills.
So the best route for a new player would be go to level 4 in the basics get the advanced to level 3 as soon as you can afford to and train anything in between that helps you get the money to buy the level 4's.
As for the tutorials I believe that they should be consoladated down to one tutorial that covers what the current 3 does but holds the newer players hand a bit more. Figure about 25 mission mix of combat, trade, mining and production. Give the player a taste of every side of eve from the start. A new tutorial should also point out the certificates and list them as a guide for character development. ( Even if some folks don't think they are exactly accurate.)
I was able to do all 10 missions from all three agents with one character. So combining all of them down into one agent shouldn't be that hard. And the lessons could then be a bit more specific for diffrent things. For example: There are three ways to lock a target. 1. Right click the target and select lock target. 2. Select the target in the overview and hit the bullseye in the target information screen. 3. Hold ctrl and click on the target in the overview.
For good examples of things that should be covered in the tutorial would be the various posts about things I wish I had known when I started playing. Or 100 tips to even ect...
Many of us that have been playing for years forget and take for granted the things we have learned and forget that at some point each of us was just starting out.
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Tuttomenui II
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.02.21 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Camdim Edited by: Camdim on 21/02/2009 03:30:51 I guess I will chime in here with some of what I found from my testing pre the recent mirroring.
It took 3.5 days to get level 4 in the basic skills and level 3 in the advanced. From there it takes 2.5 days per basic to level 5 and takes 2.5 days to go from level 3 to a level 4 advanced skill. In the learning skills.
So the best route for a new player would be go to level 4 in the basics get the advanced to level 3 as soon as you can afford to and train anything in between that helps you get the money to buy the level 4's.
As for the tutorials I believe that they should be consoladated down to one tutorial that covers what the current 3 does but holds the newer players hand a bit more. Figure about 25 mission mix of combat, trade, mining and production. Give the player a taste of every side of eve from the start. A new tutorial should also point out the certificates and list them as a guide for character development. ( Even if some folks don't think they are exactly accurate.)
I was able to do all 10 missions from all three agents with one character. So combining all of them down into one agent shouldn't be that hard. And the lessons could then be a bit more specific for diffrent things. For example: There are three ways to lock a target. 1. Right click the target and select lock target. 2. Select the target in the overview and hit the bullseye in the target information screen. 3. Hold ctrl and click on the target in the overview.
For good examples of things that should be covered in the tutorial would be the various posts about things I wish I had known when I started playing. Or 100 tips to even ect...
Many of us that have been playing for years forget and take for granted the things we have learned and forget that at some point each of us was just starting out.
I did a alt before the newest miror to, and i was only able to get 10 missions from one agent and it ried another and only got 3 missions from that agent. I think maybe being able to do all 10 from all the tutorial agents might have been a bug.
I wish I hadnt closed the carreer choise screen I got that listed the agents, I wasnt able to find it again and I wanted to get a screen shot after the fact. Maybe I will start another alt and try the tutorials again and this time get lots of screen shots.
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Camdim
Caldari The first genesis INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.02.21 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tuttomenui II
I did a alt before the newest miror to, and i was only able to get 10 missions from one agent and it ried another and only got 3 missions from that agent. I think maybe being able to do all 10 from all the tutorial agents might have been a bug.
I wish I hadnt closed the carreer choise screen I got that listed the agents, I wasnt able to find it again and I wanted to get a screen shot after the fact. Maybe I will start another alt and try the tutorials again and this time get lots of screen shots.
Well I didn't use the agent selection screen that came up I just talked to the agents themselves. So that might be the bug. But as I said they really should combine them all into one. And give every player a taste of each aspect of eve.
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Amida Ta
German Mining and Manufacture Corp.
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Posted - 2009.02.21 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fear
Learning skils. Yes you can train them but my advice to any noob would be to wait. Yes, you might get some long term bonus after X amount of months. But let's look at it this way;
Two noobies start at the same time. One is instructed to train the learning skills right away, the other is not.
They both hit the 1.6 million mark around the same time, but let's analyze their SP and skills.
The one training the learning skills has;
50K SP towards weapons, mining, ships and so forth. 1.55 million SP towards learning skills
The one that trained regular skills;
1.6 millions SP geared towards specilized weapons, industry, S&I, ships etc.
Now, which one of these would you like to be? The one that started the learning skills and gains some bonus in his training over a period of unknown time; or the one who can play the game from day one and gets to fly new ships and stuff.
Sorry, but this view seems incredibly naive. If a new player starts he will likely ask in local, ask in his start corporation or even check out the forums. AND EVERYBODY there will tell him: TRAIN LEARNING first. At LEAST train the basic learnings to level 4. To the new player this is like: Hey, you like the game. No problem. Just stop now and come back in a week to start. Which is rediculous and stupid from the point of the new player. And even IF it (from a "having fun" perspective) would make lots of sense to not learn them first nobody will do so because everybody will tell them otherwise and everybody will say how incredibly stupid they are if they don't get learings first. And the fix would be so incredibly simple: Give them Basic Learing IV from the start (in addition to the boost to 1,6 Mio). This is not going to hurt anybody. It's not giving them an enormous amount of skillpoints. It's not of much use for secondary specialized trainig. It still allows them fully to "progress" and see themselves advancing. It works for any race. And everybody else got them anyways. There's not a single argument against it.
P.S. The basic lower levels pay off FAR faster than in several months.
P.P.S. This might lead to them trying to get to advanced learing fast (If they can get the ISKs). A way to prevent this would be to raise the requirement for the Advanced learnings to Level V
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