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solidshot
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:04:00 -
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In the new dev blog about the POS scandal it was stated that they had removed a load of T2 bpo's, what will happen to these? in the past i believe they would have been reseeded by the lottery but now? |
Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:07:00 -
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No need to reseed due to invention. |
RisenPhoenix
Shadowyn Corp.
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:09:00 -
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I think they should still be reseeded. A new lottery would be fun too. |
URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:22:00 -
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an original vs an invented copy? I think reseed is in order.. otherwise those people who still have BPOs that are same as those removed have an even stronger economic advantage than before.
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:25:00 -
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They are gone. No need to reseed. T2 BPO's now fall under the same category as unique ships. Once they are lost they are lost forever. There is no more need to reseed T2 BPO's then there is to reseed the lost Gaurdian-Vexors.
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CCP Chronotis
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:28:00 -
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We will not reseed the Tech 2 original blueprints. The lottery has been gone for a long time and invention has taken its place. |
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.10 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: URUS FORGE an original vs an invented copy? I think reseed is in order.. otherwise those people who still have BPOs that are same as those removed have an even stronger economic advantage than before.
Not really. Almost certainly the exploiters brought high return BPOs, the same where inventors get a good return (and so the price is decided by invention cost, not BPO cost), not some low quality BPOs where the producers compete only with other BPOs owners.
So removing the BPOs advantage the inventors (less competitors producing at a lower cost) but change nothing to the BPOs owner (sell cost is still determined by invention cost and stay the same, barring increase in the components costs). The difference in return for the BPO owner is still the same, ther is simply space for some extra inventor (90 invention lines to cover for 30 BPO removed at most).
It would be different if the removed BPO are for some item were there is no gain in inventing and only BPO owners produce. But then a good number of those T2 BPO aren't even in production as the return is so low that it is better to invent and build other T2 items with a higher return. If the sell price rise, some of those unused BPO will start to be used and the price will stabilize near the old value. If there aren't unused T2 BPO to cover for the lack and the item is used enough (improbable) after a time it will become convenient to invent it. |
Madscience
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Posted - 2009.02.10 19:18:00 -
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can we have an update on the number of T2 BPO in circulation? |
el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.02.10 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Madscience can we have an update on the number of T2 BPO in circulation?
... with a list of their respective owners.
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Ishikari
Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.02.10 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: URUS FORGE an original vs an invented copy? I think reseed is in order.. otherwise those people who still have BPOs that are same as those removed have an even stronger economic advantage than before.
This has been beaten to death, but basicaly an inventor can crank out a significant number more of that item in a given week/month whatever then a bpo holder, even tho it is at less profit per item, at the end of the week the inventor walks away with more profit due to the volume of items produced off the invented copies.
Run the numbers and see for yourself. |
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.02.10 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ishikari
Originally by: URUS FORGE an original vs an invented copy? I think reseed is in order.. otherwise those people who still have BPOs that are same as those removed have an even stronger economic advantage than before.
This has been beaten to death, but basicaly an inventor can crank out a significant number more of that item in a given week/month whatever then a bpo holder, even tho it is at less profit per item, at the end of the week the inventor walks away with more profit due to the volume of items produced off the invented copies.
Run the numbers and see for yourself.
/thread. |
Delos Korelian
Amarr Korelian'S Salvage and Reclamation
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Posted - 2009.02.11 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: Delos Korelian on 11/02/2009 04:22:25 It would be interesting to see the list of which t2 bpos CCP have destroyed.
But, I agree, there is no reason to reseed them, let them slowly go with usual attrition of inactive accounts and banzor sticks. Bpo holders no longer control the market, the inventors do to a lesser degree, and moon owners do to a greater degree.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.02.11 05:42:00 -
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I agree with not reseeding.
I actually think though the list would be interesting it would be counterproductive to release. In essence it could identify who was banned but at the same time it would fuel speculators even more. |
James Malice
Gallente Coalition Of Resolution
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Posted - 2009.02.11 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Chronotis We will not reseed the Tech 2 original blueprints. The lottery has been gone for a long time and invention has taken its place.
quoted as reason to /thread |
Napro
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.02.11 05:49:00 -
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so when do T3 bpo's get into BoB's hands ....errr awarded by lottery? |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.02.11 05:51:00 -
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ewwwww, but invention blows |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.11 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Napro T3 bpo's
har har, funny man
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Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Madscience can we have an update on the number of T2 BPO in circulation?
The last Dev response pre-POS Expliot was 20k BPO's. so less than 1% of BPO's were removed from the game.
The Majority of BPO's by far are the Ammo BPO's, which make little to no Profit, so its safe to assume the BPO's removed would have all been higherEnd Prints; HAC's etc.
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Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.02.11 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Napro so when do T3 bpo's get into BoB's hands ....errr awarded by lottery?
Who is this "BoB" of which you speak?
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tla s'hpyt
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Posted - 2009.02.11 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ka Jolo
Originally by: Napro so when do T3 bpo's get into BoB's hands ....errr awarded by lottery?
Who is this "BoB" of which you speak?
It's a corp within goon swarm, goons cheat =p
also there are no t3 bpo's they are only t3 bpc's read the stickied thread in game development forum |
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.02.11 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Chronotis We will not reseed the Tech 2 original blueprints. The lottery has been gone for a long time and invention has taken its place.
oh dear... that one-liner will came back to haunt you :o promise -.- - putting the gist back into logistics |
Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.11 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Notlimah
Originally by: Ishikari
Originally by: URUS FORGE an original vs an invented copy? I think reseed is in order.. otherwise those people who still have BPOs that are same as those removed have an even stronger economic advantage than before.
This has been beaten to death, but basicaly an inventor can crank out a significant number more of that item in a given week/month whatever then a bpo holder, even tho it is at less profit per item, at the end of the week the inventor walks away with more profit due to the volume of items produced off the invented copies.
Run the numbers and see for yourself.
/thread.
t2 bpo builds 2x faster than bpc. Also bpc are made using research slots. You cant research too with yout t2 owning char? effectivly you will have double or mroe profits than inventor.
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2009.02.11 08:37:00 -
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It occurs to me that some of the more exotic, less popular ships and items only get any use at all because BPO ownership keeps the prices somewhat reasonable. As much as I disliked the lottery, at least BPOs act as a mild deterrent to everyone using exactly the same gear, and it worries me that as time goes on, BPOs leave the system and prices go up, people will quit using the not-so-good modules altogether because there's no reason. |
Johraiken Fenris
Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.11 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ishikari
Originally by: URUS FORGE an original vs an invented copy? I think reseed is in order.. otherwise those people who still have BPOs that are same as those removed have an even stronger economic advantage than before.
This has been beaten to death, but basicaly an inventor can crank out a significant number more of that item in a given week/month whatever then a bpo holder, even tho it is at less profit per item, at the end of the week the inventor walks away with more profit due to the volume of items produced off the invented copies.
Run the numbers and see for yourself.
Yes, but he has invested a larger amount of slots and a lot more micromanaging to achieve it.
T2 BPO: start a job once every ~30 days (plus the t2 component and other stuff).
Invention: invention + copy jobs (takes research slots). Output = 10 run BPCs, which takes a weird amount of hours to build, so basically doing stuff every other day.
On top of that, the T2 BPO holder can ALSO do the invention...
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Shenko Minara
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Posted - 2009.02.11 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Tarra They are gone. No need to reseed. T2 BPO's now fall under the same category as unique ships. Once they are lost they are lost forever. There is no more need to reseed T2 BPO's then there is to reseed the lost Gaurdian-Vexors.
nice straw man, idiot. -- 99% of Eve-o posters should stop posting. This probably includes me, but definitely includes you. |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.11 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kalintos Tyl
t2 bpo builds 2x faster than bpc. Also bpc are made using research slots. You cant research too with yout t2 owning char? effectivly you will have double or mroe profits than inventor.
Several errors in your reasoning:
At best it is 50% faster;
It work only for 1 production line, the BPC invented by a T2 BPO owner work exactly as those invented by any other,
So it is extra profit for one production line, for the others it work exactly as for any inventor and it require several billions of initial investment.
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Turix
Interstellar eXodus Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Chronotis We will not reseed the Tech 2 original blueprints. The lottery has been gone for a long time and invention has taken its place.
Surely removing legitimate BPO's (aka non-exploited items) damages the economy? |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.02.11 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Turix
Originally by: CCP Chronotis We will not reseed the Tech 2 original blueprints. The lottery has been gone for a long time and invention has taken its place.
Surely removing legitimate BPO's (aka non-exploited items) damages the economy?
The whole characters were banned, including all their posessions. It's the same effect as if they just had biomassed themselves.
Besides, the damage to the economy from the 'missing' BPOs is about equal (if not less) as a /facepalm is damaging to your physical integrity. |
Turix
Interstellar eXodus Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Besides, the damage to the economy from the 'missing' BPOs is about equal (if not less) as a /facepalm is damaging to your physical integrity.
Be nice __________________________
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2009.02.11 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Chronotis We will not reseed the Tech 2 original blueprints. The lottery has been gone for a long time and invention has taken its place.
Did they hire you from Lineage 2? Seed all the damn things already, the invention grind should be upscaled to deal with tech 3.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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