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baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.23 02:37:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:It is a valid mechanic in the game. It permits the target kills rights. But in my opinion, it is not in the spirit of PVP per se. As much as I absolutely despise it, it has its place. (Although we could have done without the T3 BC gankmobiles, they cemented the ganker in place forever.)
The t3 BC gankboats cost a lot more than the old tempest gankboats used to. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
430
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Posted - 2012.04.23 02:44:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Sasha Azala wrote: Some people would have you believe that playing the market and competition for the same resoucre (ie. node/roid) is PvP,
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Youre aware the Devs are some of those ppl yes? Does not mean they're right just because they're Devs. .
Kinda does in my eyes given that theyre the ones making the game
Or are you the type that of course knows better than those that make the game? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Ai Shun
713
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Posted - 2012.04.23 02:48:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Yeah, that's also the same problem with PvE games and it does happen.
Example for my curiosity, please?
Sasha Azala wrote:Which is why this whole PvP/ PvE classification seems to a bit of a mess.
It is, which is why I prefer the simple definition. "PvP is an acronym for Player versus Player" - irrespective of the scenario it plays out under.
Sasha Azala wrote:In which case the PvP and PvE classification of a server must just rest on a main feature of the game (which is easily possible). It would however cheapen what PvP used to stand for.
Perhaps, yes. Thinking of other MMOs; the server type determined how combat could be initiated. But that never took into account other forms of PvP that is still very viable and if we stuck to that, EVE would be labelled as a PvP server because there is no option to avoid combat completely unless you stay docked in a station.
Which, I guess, takes us back to looking only at this specific case and determining if there is player versus player combat involved ... and I think your answer to that is no, because the other player had no chance to respond, right?
If that is the case - was the decision not to fit a tank to survive the gank a decision made that affected the combat? EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
265
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Posted - 2012.04.23 02:52:00 -
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Another way of looking at this is, if market trading and resource hunting was to be PvP then both PvP and PvE servers would share that PvP component. So those do not define if it's a PvP or PvE server.
So the only thing that defines if a server is PvP or PvE would be combat, and people do associate PvP with combat.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
685
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Posted - 2012.04.23 02:52:00 -
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its PvAFKP a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
819
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Posted - 2012.04.23 02:54:00 -
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Ofc,it's PvP. About ehonor and stuff I wouldn't know. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
80
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Posted - 2012.04.23 02:54:00 -
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Hatt0ri Hanz0 wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:I dont know to be honest but would the statement below class as PvP
"Opening up on that Hulk knowing that it will be blown to pieces unless Concord arrives in time"
Thanks for your Imput Yes it is PVP, albeit risk free pvp. Confirming the irony of nerdguy telling someone to HTFU. Excuse me? What about the risk of losing all your mods, losing all the hulk mods, and the chance someone could be very clever/fast and nab your pod? |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2012.04.23 02:55:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Below is how I've always understood what PvP is and not all the other arguments people put forward altered to suit their argument.
'Player versus player was coined sometime in the late 1980s to refer to the combat between players that resulted in the loser being penalized in some way.' wikipedia Considering it is CCP's game, only their definition really matters, not some arbitrary Wiki one.
Odd considering
Sasha Azala wrote: Does not mean they're right just because they're Devs.
Devs = CCP you just contradicted yourself
player A has a Hulk
player B is a suicide ganker
player B combats [b]player A resulting in the [b]penatly of the loss of his Hulk
By your own definition (if we're even going by that one and "not some arbitrary Wiki one") it is PVP
/thread
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
265
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Posted - 2012.04.23 02:59:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Below is how I've always understood what PvP is and not all the other arguments people put forward altered to suit their argument.
'Player versus player was coined sometime in the late 1980s to refer to the combat between players that resulted in the loser being penalized in some way.' wikipedia Considering it is CCP's game, only their definition really matters, not some arbitrary Wiki one.
Odd considering Sasha Azala wrote: Does not mean they're right just because they're Devs.
Devs = CCP you just contradicted yourself player A has a Hulk
player B is a suicide ganker
player B combats [b]player A resulting in the [b]penatly of the loss of his Hulk By your own definition (if we're even going by that one and "not some arbitrary Wiki one") it is PVP /thread
Except you've misquoted me. |
Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
124
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:05:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:It's player vs player, so yes. HTFU. BWAAA HAAAA HAAAAA!!! Funny. It's player vs. player. "Versus." It may be player ON A player, but there is no versus to it. You must have one of those new, eraseable dictionaries.
I get it. This thread is to troll for sociopaths. Neat trick. It seems to work! Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
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Nikodiemus
Jokulhlaup
20
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:14:00 -
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No, suicide ganking is not real pvp. Real pvp requires balls and the knowledge that you could lose what you are flying through the defenders actions, not an easily excusable concord kill. Real pvp is in small or solo gangs that roam for kills or ballzy fleets that attack and win when they may be outnumbered or not have the apparent advantage.
Suicide ganking is just an unskilled way to play the numbers and get a momentary rush, if that, from combat and then drink the loser's tears. |
Nikodiemus
Jokulhlaup
20
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:15:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:masternerdguy wrote:It's player vs player, so yes. HTFU. BWAAA HAAAA HAAAAA!!! Funny. It's player vs. player. "Versus." It may be player ON A player, but there is no versus to it.
I also believe what this man is referring to is **** and not consensual sex. Though through his anger and caps obsessive behavior, I could be wrong.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1246
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:24:00 -
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Ganking is indeed Player versus Player: one player is acting against another player. In the strict sense of "versus" there is no requirement for consent or reciprosity. Whether you believe that suicide ganking a Hulk with a Catalyst counts as fair is a different question.
EVE is a PvP game, and you consent to PvP when you log in: apart from sitting in the station doing nothing there is very little in game that doesn't put you at risk of being attacked by another player. The other players will underbid your sell orders, overbid your buys, suicide gank your freighter, suicide gank your mining ship, gate camp your lowsec or nullsec entry point, or call you names on the forums.
Watching people get ganker right next to me in Brapelille is a little startling though: the presence of multiple TEARS members in system should be enough warning to folks to either tank their Hulks or avoid mining altogether. Sure, Ice Harvesting is a slow, boring process. But keep your D-Scan open, tank your mining ship, and GTFO when you see that TEARS guy sitting next to you for five minutes.
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Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
265
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:32:00 -
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I think no matter what anyone says we're unlikely to agree and on that note I'm going to get some sleep. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
441
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:43:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Sasha Azala wrote: Does not mean they're right just because they're Devs..
Kinda does in my eyes given that theyre the ones making the game Or are you the type that of course knows better than those that make the game? Titans will be very rare, given how much work goes into producing one.
Only a major alliance might have as many as three or four of these ~massive undertakings~. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2012.04.23 04:15:00 -
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Suicide ganking is where the crap PvPers go to get kill mails, since they are too afraid to step outside into lowsec/0.0 with the big boys. :) The Mittani discussing, long before the alcohol, what his panel will be about. It is entitled "Goonswarm Hates You".-á Enjoy! Be sure to go re-read his "Apology" after listening to compare his claims. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SKC00a0ovTA#t=413s |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1246
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Posted - 2012.04.23 04:19:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Or are you the type that of course knows better than those that make the game?
Mother ships -> super carriers.
Titan AoE DD through cyno. Nullsec anomaly nerf. Adding drone poo. Buffing ore spawn in hisec because of Unholy Rage.
Just because they make the game doesn't mean they really understand it. |
Veronica Kerrigan
Hand Of Midas F0RCEFUL ENTRY
23
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Posted - 2012.04.23 05:24:00 -
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Player versus Player. Technically, because the hulk could have drones, or ECM, or anything for counter attacking, it could be PvP. One of my buddies killed a hound in his hulk when it found him in a pre bookmarked grav site. It can be PvP, therefore it is.
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
531
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Posted - 2012.04.23 06:08:00 -
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no it isn't but neither is station or gate camping. |
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2012.04.23 06:16:00 -
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CvC (Coward vs Carebear). It's low level PvP like gate camping and far away from real PvP. Without the different levels of PvP EVE would be boring |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3442
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Posted - 2012.04.23 06:49:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:I dont know to be honest but would the statement below class as PvP
"Opening up on that Hulk knowing that it will be blown to pieces unless Concord arrives in time"
Thanks for your Imput
Yes. PvP doesn't stop being PvP because one of the Ps doesn't want to accept that another P can come and v him. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Freudone
Smile just smile inc
0
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Posted - 2012.04.23 07:08:00 -
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That aint PVP its PVC, Player. Versus CHICKEN. The ganker is the chicken! |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.04.23 07:11:00 -
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In all likelihood, it's player vs bot anyways |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.04.23 07:17:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Yes. PvP doesn't stop being PvP because one of the Ps doesn't want to accept that another P can come and v him.
Ganking isn't real pvp. Gankers are usually same people who wardec industrial corps in hisec for easy targets. These wardecs are sometimes very funny because if there is even a small chance that those "helpless Hulk pilots" bite back griefers stay in complete safety in their hangars. They aren't prepared to face a gang of Hulk pilots in Rifters.
Fear of the Rifter! |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.04.23 07:19:00 -
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But seriously....
Player vs player.
Doesn't have to be (and never, ever will be) balanced.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3443
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Posted - 2012.04.23 07:23:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Malcanis wrote:Yes. PvP doesn't stop being PvP because one of the Ps doesn't want to accept that another P can come and v him. Ganking isn't real pvp. Gankers are usually same people who wardec industrial corps in hisec for easy targets. These wardecs are sometimes very funny because if there is even a small chance that those "helpless Hulk pilots" bite back griefers stay in complete safety in their hangars. They aren't prepared to face a gang of Hulk pilots in Rifters. Fear of the Rifter!
If you want to say that it's not the kind of pvp you like, that's fine. But it's obviously wrong to say it isn't pvp. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.04.23 07:30:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:If you want to say that it's not the kind of pvp you like, that's fine. But it's obviously wrong to say it isn't pvp.
I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy annoying griefers with Rifters and some ewar.
But why you guys run everytime you have to face gang of 10 Rifters and few Griffins or even Blackbird? Should be easy targets for experienced pvp'er like you but no, you run. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3444
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:12:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Malcanis wrote:If you want to say that it's not the kind of pvp you like, that's fine. But it's obviously wrong to say it isn't pvp. I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy annoying griefers with Rifters and some ewar. But why you guys run everytime you have to face gang of 10 Rifters and few Griffins or even Blackbird? Should be easy targets for experienced pvp'er like you but no, you run.
"you guys"?
You're more than welcome to bring your "gang of 10 Rifters and few Griffins or even Blackbird" to N5Y Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Ai Shun
718
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:17:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote: ... complete safety in their hangars ...
Says the man hiding behind a NPC corp ...
Yes, I know. It's not your main. Your main runs half of null-sec and his kill-board spins like a Poky machine. I know ...
EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:21:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:"you guys"?
You're more than welcome to bring your "gang of 10 Rifters and few Griffins or even Blackbird" to N5Y
I mean your hisec griefer alt. |
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