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Jas Dor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:49:00 -
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Point blank. Within about two months of release you will be forced to fly a T3 ship if you wish to remain relevant in PvP. T3 ships will have the speed advantage of the prenerf nano cruisers combined with more firepower. Anyone not in T3 will simply be PWNed. The skill loss on death will likely mean that non top tier expert PVPers will stop PvPing. Against T3 everything else will die. In a fight between T3 ships you better be damn good or you're going to loose a ton of SPs over time.
Part of the problem here is that if T3 ships are nearly invulnerable every blob in the game is going to call them primary in preference to just about everything else, for the added benefit of griefing the T3 pilot (same reason you don't bring a faction BS to a fleet fight really). Names, Dates, Times, Engagements, Losses, Op-Tempo or STFU! |
Plumpy McPudding
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:50:00 -
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I'll be whatever I want to do. __________________________
Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Chip Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream. |
Agrigan
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:50:00 -
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Your stuff will be mine!
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jas Dor Point blank. Within about two months of release you will be forced to fly a T3 ship if you wish to remain relevant in PvP.
You're doing it wrong.
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Genya Arikaido
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:50:00 -
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Failtroll detected. Help me move to Iceland!
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Cory Sopapilla
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:51:00 -
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So everyone is going to be forced to fly fancy cruisers with medium guns? Umm...
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:53:00 -
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where the gun , yeah sure ill be forced because being cloaked it certianly helps
This week EvE Life: Wormhole Wars 01/Feb
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Kaahles
n0thing Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:54:00 -
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your stuff? can I?
But more to the point. Where you get that impression/information from? Would be interested in the source since it can't be from sisi otherwise I've to call you dumb. Nothing personal but it'd fact in this case since it was stated in multiple dev posts that the T3 ships are far from finished/balanced some even don't have the 3D model finished yet (gallente anyone?)
So you got two options: A) Stop whining an wait till the stuff is finished and TEST IT YOURSELF. B) Quit and give me stuff ----------------------------- OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! Contract me all your stuff so I can save it! |
xxxak
Caldari O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cory Sopapilla So everyone is going to be forced to fly fancy cruisers with medium guns? Umm...
For some reason when I read "fancy cruisers" I envisioned a Unicorn prancing around in a dress holding an M-16 rifle.
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Updyke
State Wh0re Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jas Dor Within about two months of release you will be forced to fly a T3 ship
NO U
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Berious
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:55:00 -
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LOL goons in T2
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:56:00 -
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------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. |
Captain Campion
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:57:00 -
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NERF T3 !!
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Khrillian
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:02:00 -
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Sort of like how everyone is forced to fly with only the most expensive faction mods.
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Campion NERF T3 !!
Buff T4
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:04:00 -
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At least the FotM nerf threads will be entertaining. "Nerf the...uhm...hang on...err...Caldari Combo #1243! Or wait, was it #1423? Or #1342? And I think that Amarr Combo #2142 is about the same, just with lasers instead of missiles...uhm...NERF ALL OF T3!"
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Dari Anoh
Amarr Anoh Shavar
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: xxxak For some reason when I read "fancy cruisers" I envisioned a Unicorn prancing around in a dress holding an M-16 rifle.
And here I was thinking the Gallente T3 models weren't finished yet.
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Gone'Postal
Aztec Industry
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper At least the FotM nerf threads will be entertaining. "Nerf the...uhm...hang on...err...Caldari Combo #1243! Or wait, was it #1423? Or #1342? And I think that Amarr Combo #2142 is about the same, just with lasers instead of missiles...uhm...NERF ALL OF T3!"
Yeah! lets spam GD with more useless dribble threads.
If only there was a deadicated moderation team to oh wai..
Originally by: masternerdguy
Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
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rValdez5987
Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper At least the FotM nerf threads will be entertaining. "Nerf the...uhm...hang on...err...Caldari Combo #1243! Or wait, was it #1423? Or #1342? And I think that Amarr Combo #2142 is about the same, just with lasers instead of missiles...uhm...NERF ALL OF T3!"
I just threw together an amarrian setup, and my spreadsheet of it actually showed it was very balanced, and this is only the first release of it.
It had more armor hp, then a zealot, and could also fit either 5 turrets or 3 turrets and two missile launchers, but it had the resistances of an omen.
regardless I would fly it as with T3 it can be setup to do whatever i want, and its something the t1 or t2 obviously doesnt allow.l
TL;DR I think this first implementation looks amazing so far.
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xxxak
Caldari O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:09:00 -
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This thread is now about Unicorns.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: xxxak This thread is now about Unicorns.
*glues a metal spike to the forehead of a horse*
WTS Unicorn
------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. |
Updyke
State Wh0re Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: xxxak This thread is now about Unicorns.
Military experts are calling this an unexpected development.
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Ouset radealt
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper At least the FotM nerf threads will be entertaining. "Nerf the...uhm...hang on...err...Caldari Combo #1243! Or wait, was it #1423? Or #1342? And I think that Amarr Combo #2142 is about the same, just with lasers instead of missiles...uhm...NERF ALL OF T3!"
/thread
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EmoRage QuitThread
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:15:00 -
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T3 is gonna be the SWG new experience and eve is dying! No, you can't have my stuff, this character has already been deleted!111
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Updyke
State Wh0re Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jas Dor you will be forced to fly a T3 ship
analogous to:
Originally by: Updyke you will be forced to make love to an incredibly hot woman
These are the types of threats that I welcome
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: EmoRage QuitThread T3 is gonna be the SWG new experience and eve is dying! No, you can't have my stuff, this character has already been deleted!111
Never compare anything to the NGE!!!
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kor anon
Amarr The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:28:00 -
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On the off chance that OP is serious, id like to ask did t1 ships become redundant with the release of t2?
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SharpMango
14th Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:29:00 -
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Buff Unicorns to have two Horns! Hence forth to be known as err Duocorns.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:30:00 -
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dunno most battleships cant kill a tech 3 ship because they crash when they do, thats a very powerful weapon. =============
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:30:00 -
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Same thing was said about T2 ships.
But the BS fleet is still one of the most basic fleet setups for 0.0 combat.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cors Same thing was said about T2 ships.
But the BS fleet is still one of the most basic fleet setups for 0.0 combat.
i love ms bs i hug it every night as if it were my last
This week EvE Life: Wormhole Wars 01/Feb
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Amantus
Gallente 0utbreak KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:40:00 -
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Guess what. These are stats on Sisi. These stats are very likely to be changed before making it to TQ.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:43:00 -
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From what i've seen so far on SiSi i say i'll p0wn any of that t3 ships with my drake. My drake's hull cost 5 million to lose after insurance, how much will your t3 ship, which i'm going to p0wn, cost ?
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cors Same thing was said about T2 ships.
But the BS fleet is still one of the most basic fleet setups for 0.0 combat.
Because T2 BS are a) newer and not as widely adapted & b) pre-nerfed, the increase in quality from t1 to t2 BS in comparison with cruisers is laughable....
T2 ships did replace t1 ships for everyone who can could fly them and can afford it, the same will be true for t3 most likely, though the effect of the sp loss downside will change things slightly I think.
At the same time, I don't think that neccesarrily a bad thing.... --
Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donęt forget the reach-around.
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Dreamwalker
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:52:00 -
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I would love to be in local when a group of pvpers pawn your fleet of T3 with double the number of T1 frigs and cruisers with a few BC.
It will be priceless to have that chat log and TS/vent recording.
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Cailais
Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:56:00 -
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CCP accidentally all my unicorns.
C.
Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: kor anon On the off chance that OP is serious, id like to ask did t1 ships become redundant with the release of t2?
For everything but battleships, yes. But from what I've seen of t3 stats they wont be any more uber statwise than HACs, just customizable, so I think we're in the clear. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
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Agrigan
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux
Originally by: kor anon On the off chance that OP is serious, id like to ask did t1 ships become redundant with the release of t2?
For everything but battleships, yes. But from what I've seen of t3 stats they wont be any more uber statwise than HACs, just customizable, so I think we're in the clear.
Eh? T1 Cruisers aren't useful in PVP??? Rifter anyone? This thread needs a mod!
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Miko Yee
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jas Dor Point blank. Within about two months of release you will be forced to fly a T3 ship if you wish to remain relevant in PvP. T3 ships will have the speed advantage of the prenerf nano cruisers combined with more firepower. Anyone not in T3 will simply be PWNed. The skill loss on death will likely mean that non top tier expert PVPers will stop PvPing. Against T3 everything else will die. In a fight between T3 ships you better be damn good or you're going to loose a ton of SPs over time.
Part of the problem here is that if T3 ships are nearly invulnerable every blob in the game is going to call them primary in preference to just about everything else, for the added benefit of griefing the T3 pilot (same reason you don't bring a faction BS to a fleet fight really).
OP...what the hell are you talking about ???
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Pattern Clarc
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jas Dor Point blank. Within about two months of release you will be forced to fly a T3 ship if you wish to remain relevant in PvP. T3 ships will have the speed advantage of the prenerf nano cruisers combined with more firepower. Anyone not in T3 will simply be PWNed. The skill loss on death will likely mean that non top tier expert PVPers will stop PvPing. Against T3 everything else will die. In a fight between T3 ships you better be damn good or you're going to loose a ton of SPs over time.
Part of the problem here is that if T3 ships are nearly invulnerable every blob in the game is going to call them primary in preference to just about everything else, for the added benefit of griefing the T3 pilot (same reason you don't bring a faction BS to a fleet fight really).
In essence, I agree with the OP.
However i'm waiting for the dev blog before writing a full critiqe t3. ____
My Blog Is Awesome
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Luke S
Yanacocha
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jas Dor Point blank. Within about two months of release you will be forced to fly a T3 ship if you wish to remain relevant in PvP.
Didn't you watch the AI6? some one was in a black bird tanking a T2 ship.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jas Dor T3 ships will have the speed advantage of the prenerf nano cruisers combined with more firepower.
1. Not final. 2. If true, they will be nerfed in short order.
So no. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Drixil
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: SharpMango Buff Unicorns to have two Horns! Hence forth to be known as err Duocorns.
Bicorns sounds sexier
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Bimjo
Caldari Domination. Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: xxxak This thread is now about Unicorns.
*glues a metal spike to the forehead of a horse*
WTS Unicorn
lol,for some reason I read *Hammers in a metal spike to the forehead of a horse* ====================
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Xianthar
STK Scientific The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper At least the FotM nerf threads will be entertaining. "Nerf the...uhm...hang on...err...Caldari Combo #1243! Or wait, was it #1423? Or #1342? And I think that Amarr Combo #2142 is about the same, just with lasers instead of missiles...uhm...NERF ALL OF T3!"
i'm looking forward to laughing at the first 100 man fleet as the FC tries to figure out what ships he has
"ok everyone x in fleet with, err, their entire fitting, give me 20 minutes to fire up my excel sheet"
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Xianthar
STK Scientific The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jas Dor Point blank. Within about two months of release you will be forced to fly a T3 ship if you wish to remain relevant in PvP. T3 ships will have the speed advantage of the prenerf nano cruisers combined with more firepower. Anyone not in T3 will simply be PWNed. The skill loss on death will likely mean that non top tier expert PVPers will stop PvPing. Against T3 everything else will die. In a fight between T3 ships you better be damn good or you're going to loose a ton of SPs over time.
Part of the problem here is that if T3 ships are nearly invulnerable every blob in the game is going to call them primary in preference to just about everything else, for the added benefit of griefing the T3 pilot (same reason you don't bring a faction BS to a fleet fight really).
i see your logic, you must be using what happened with t2 when it was release to back up your claim. i mean we're now years down the road and i havn't seen a t1 ship in meaningful pvp in forever
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Lookabird
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Agrigan
Eh? T1 Cruisers aren't useful in PVP??? Rifter anyone? This thread needs a mod!
I see wut u did thar.
Rifter. The new minmitar cruiser.
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Valrandir
Gallente Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:41:00 -
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:D
This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Pattern Clarc
Originally by: Jas Dor Point blank. Within about two months of release you will be forced to fly a T3 ship if you wish to remain relevant in PvP. T3 ships will have the speed advantage of the prenerf nano cruisers combined with more firepower. Anyone not in T3 will simply be PWNed. The skill loss on death will likely mean that non top tier expert PVPers will stop PvPing. Against T3 everything else will die. In a fight between T3 ships you better be damn good or you're going to loose a ton of SPs over time.
Part of the problem here is that if T3 ships are nearly invulnerable every blob in the game is going to call them primary in preference to just about everything else, for the added benefit of griefing the T3 pilot (same reason you don't bring a faction BS to a fleet fight really).
In essence, I agree with the OP.
However i'm waiting for the dev blog before writing a full critiqe t3.
pretty much this!
although depending on the content of the dev blog, might have to wait for final deployment stats on march 10
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:49:00 -
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EVEn tho my expectations of EVE game design team are very low, I still have no good reason to complain about t3.
The first flaw in OPs argument has to do with the fact that supply of t3 ships will be very low compared to demand of PvP ships in general. Then there'll be the 500-2000 mil price range issue. Sure, maybe 5% of top PvPers will fly pimped out t3 ships, but it's hardly enough to make them standard issue for PvP. A group of skilled players will be able to catch and kill one even with t1 ships and mods. And just because it will be harder to kill one of those, the final success would be that much more satisfying.
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Mr Ignitious
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:51:00 -
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isn't this where we're supposed to say:
AHH PANIC!! SPECULATION BASED ON SEVERELY UNDER DEVELOPED STATS FROM TEST (test... TEST... you know like it's not done and has a lot of bugs to be worked out still) OBVIOUSLY MEANS THAT EVE IS GOING TO BE BROKEN!!!
T3 ON TEST SERVER GO 14km/s!!! ITS REAL AND GOING TO HAPPEN AAAHHHH!
and then I'm supposed to say something like: Oh wait, test server? hmm maybe they were teasing us but all the while just showing us that they are infact working on it.
I've also probably just been trolled. A fate I suffer for the opportunity to counter troll WHILE enlighten. Woopee =)
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
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supr3m3justic3
Caldari Hakata Group Blade.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:52:00 -
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Do you even PVP.....i think, you dont know what ur talking about...... ____
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ
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Posted - 2009.02.11 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: SharpMango Buff Unicorns to have two Horns! Hence forth to be known as err Duocorns.
fill new wormhole space with duocorn rats making them corn holes
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.11 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux
Originally by: kor anon On the off chance that OP is serious, id like to ask did t1 ships become redundant with the release of t2?
For everything but battleships, yes. But from what I've seen of t3 stats they wont be any more uber statwise than HACs, just customizable, so I think we're in the clear.
are you kidding? people still fly tech 1 frigates, cruisers, and battlecruisers in fleets. In fact tech 2 is rare. you don't see everyone and his mom flying HACs.
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2009.02.11 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron The first flaw in OPs argument has to do with the fact that supply of t3 ships will be very low compared to demand of PvP ships in general. Then there'll be the 500-2000 mil price range issue. Sure, maybe 5% of top PvPers will fly pimped out t3 ships, but it's hardly enough to make them standard issue for PvP.
I'd say 1 billion has similar or less 'effort value' as 300mil did when HACs were introduced, but it didnt stop them from becoming ubiquitous after 8 months or so. Nor has the 50bil pricetag stopped alliances from cooking up vast quantities of titans.
Price has never and will never serve as a balancing factor, the issue is whether the stats will be more uber than T2. There's an important distinction between uber and specialized...a HAC can do anything better than a t1 cruiser but a lot of recons would lose a straight fight if they dont leverage their EW potential. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
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Paul Morphy
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Posted - 2009.02.11 21:19:00 -
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Waaaaaaaaah
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Laszlo Ozawa
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Posted - 2009.02.11 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Laszlo Ozawa on 11/02/2009 21:24:30
Originally by: Pattern Clarc
In essence, I agree with the OP.
you, my friend, are the worst poster.
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Cromzor
Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.02.11 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Cromzor on 11/02/2009 21:35:36 I think it's awesome if so. The SP disparity between the long term players with those who are relatively new is becomming insurmountable. The long time players who have isk to burn and ego's of doom will fly these pwnboats and lose SP, cause they'll die eventually. This will give newer players the ability to catch up while allowing older players to own face. Win - Win if you ask me.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 11/02/2009 21:36:39 Well we have no idea what kind of stats these T3 ships are going to have yet.
The ones on SiSi right now are absolutely horrible (cept for their speed)
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2009.02.11 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon are you kidding? people still fly tech 1 frigates, cruisers, and battlecruisers in fleets. In fact tech 2 is rare. you don't see everyone and his mom flying HACs.
Funny you should mention that, cause last time I was in pureblind (not that long ago) I saw a grand total of one sub-BS t1 ship out of a hundred or so ships. About half of them were HAC gangs, if you were interested.
And a quick trip to Bob's killboard tells me that, excepting GoonSwarm's famous zergrush strategy--which only proves that SA.com offers lots of cannon fodder--upwards of 95% of both their kills and losses are BS or T2, with most of the BS being in large fleet encounters. But maybe Bob is special being rich and all, so I checked the weekly stats for the self-described small-gang pewpew experts over at Agony. Plenty of T1 kills, but oddly enough almost all of the killmails are predominately (>50%) BS or T2 doing the killing.
So maybe they aren't so rare after all. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper At least the FotM nerf threads will be entertaining. "Nerf the...uhm...hang on...err...Caldari Combo #1243! Or wait, was it #1423? Or #1342? And I think that Amarr Combo #2142 is about the same, just with lasers instead of missiles...uhm...NERF ALL OF T3!"
Out of curiosity do you devs get together or point out certain Loltastic threads with each other and laugh at them? Especially the nerf-calls.
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Malthros Zenobia
Cadian Special Operations Command
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Posted - 2009.02.11 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: xxxak This thread is now about Unicorns.
*glues a metal spike to the forehead of a horse*
WTS Unicorn
/me petitions to have a T3 ship made called the Unicorn.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.11 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: CCP Whisper At least the FotM nerf threads will be entertaining. "Nerf the...uhm...hang on...err...Caldari Combo #1243! Or wait, was it #1423? Or #1342? And I think that Amarr Combo #2142 is about the same, just with lasers instead of missiles...uhm...NERF ALL OF T3!"
Out of curiosity do you devs get together or point out certain Loltastic threads with each other and laugh at them? Especially the nerf-calls.
I imagine staff meetings where the last item on the agenda is labeled "LOLtastic"
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2009.02.11 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria I imagine staff meetings where the last item on the agenda is labeled "LOLtastic"
And likely consists of power point presentations on a giant projection screen.
I would totally go to work for CCP if they did that. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
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Feilamya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.11 22:04:00 -
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OP in a nutshell:
- You have to fly T3 to be competitive. Nobody will fly T3 because of the skill loss.
- Nobody will fly T3 because of the skill loss. T3 ships are invulnerable.
- T3 ships are invulnerable. T3 ships will always be primaried.
Thanks for making tons of sense.
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supr3m3justic3
Caldari Hakata Group Blade.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 22:12:00 -
[66]
Funny you should mention that, cause last time I was in pureblind (not that long ago) I saw a grand total of one sub-BS t1 ship out of a hundred or so ships. About half of them were HAC gangs, if you were interested.
And a quick trip to Bob's killboard tells me that, excepting GoonSwarm's famous zergrush strategy--which only proves that SA.com offers lots of cannon fodder--upwards of 95% of both their kills and losses are BS or T2, with most of the BS being in large fleet encounters. But maybe Bob is special being rich and all, so I checked the weekly stats for the self-described small-gang pewpew experts over at Agony. Plenty of T1 kills, but oddly enough almost all of the killmails are predominately (>50%) BS or T2 doing the killing.
So maybe they aren't so rare after all.
BOB(or the artist formaly known as BOB) doesnt allow T1 frigs or cruisers in there gangs. And besides that you'll never see BLADE. rolling in anything that isnt T2 or at least a BC. ____
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Kiviar
Caldari Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.02.11 22:40:00 -
[67]
Seriously, they haven't even finished the art assets for t3 ships. Can we stop jumping up and down shouting "Rabble Rabble" over ships which come launch day wont even remotely resemble what are on Sisi?
Oh wait I forgot what forum I was on for a second there. Carry on. ---
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Jas Dor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.11 22:42:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Ephemeron EVEn tho my expectations of EVE game design team are very low, I still have no good reason to complain about t3.
The first flaw in OPs argument has to do with the fact that supply of t3 ships will be very low compared to demand of PvP ships in general. Then there'll be the 500-2000 mil price range issue. Sure, maybe 5% of top PvPers will fly pimped out t3 ships, but it's hardly enough to make them standard issue for PvP. A group of skilled players will be able to catch and kill one even with t1 ships and mods. And just because it will be harder to kill one of those, the final success would be that much more satisfying.
Until QR wasn't PL heavy into nano. In fact weren't a large number of your pilots flying 1B+ nano ships. Sure we'll neeever see that again. Yeah right. Everyones SP totals just got frozen at basically whatever they were at when T3 was introduced. Names, Dates, Times, Engagements, Losses, Op-Tempo or STFU! |
Nianda SeCann
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Posted - 2009.02.11 22:53:00 -
[69]
Less than a week into testing and T3 is overpowered, oh no, game is ruined.
But pls CCP keep the Amarr as balls, maybe golden and defo flying in close formation with apocs
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2009.02.11 23:01:00 -
[70]
Originally by: SharpMango Buff Unicorns to have two Horns! Hence forth to be known as err Duocorns.
Only people with tons of ISK are going to be able to afford Duocorns. It will be another big 0.0 alliance monopoly! COMPLETE BULLSHTT!!!11 All unicorns and your broken f-tarded "duocorns" should be nerfed down to standard horses. Only way to be fair solo and new players!
Taxman VI: Voided Ledger
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Coronae Borealis
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Posted - 2009.02.11 23:02:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Cors Same thing was said about T2 ships.
But the BS fleet is still one of the most basic fleet setups for 0.0 combat.
And always will be. It's the backbone of pvp.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 23:10:00 -
[72]
*Merdaneth checks out t3 ships sensor strengths
Ah, Falcon-bait, all of them.... ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.11 23:26:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Del Narveux Price has never and will never serve as a balancing factor, the issue is whether the stats will be more uber than T2.
If price was never a factor, only the stats, then everyone would PvP in ships fitted with best officer mods, full grade pirate implants - easily 10 bil per ship.
But you don't see that. Only very small percentage of total PvPer base flies with officer mods. Like it or not, but supply/demand functions and price issues are part of game balance.
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Junko Togawa
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Posted - 2009.02.11 23:28:00 -
[74]
Originally by: CCP Whisper At least the FotM nerf threads will be entertaining. "Nerf the...uhm...hang on...err...Caldari Combo #1243! Or wait, was it #1423? Or #1342? And I think that Amarr Combo #2142 is about the same, just with lasers instead of missiles...uhm...NERF ALL OF T3!"
Ooh! Ooh! Can I have my Combo #1243 with a side of cheese fries and a Mt. Dew? To go?
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Droog 1
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Posted - 2009.02.11 23:36:00 -
[75]
Originally by: xxxak This thread is now about Unicorns.
While watching 'Blade Runner' with my girlfriend, at the part where Deckard dreams of the Unicorn running through a Forest, my gf turned to me and asked "When did Unicorns become extinct. Was it after the Dinosaurs?"
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KarGard
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.02.11 23:39:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
Originally by: SharpMango Buff Unicorns to have two Horns! Hence forth to be known as err Duocorns.
Only people with tons of ISK are going to be able to afford Duocorns. It will be another big 0.0 alliance monopoly! COMPLETE BULLSHTT!!!11 All unicorns and your broken f-tarded "duocorns" should be nerfed down to standard horses. Only way to be fair solo and new players!
Get it right, they're called Twonicorns!
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Mesmerizing doom
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Posted - 2009.02.12 00:06:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Droog 1
Originally by: xxxak This thread is now about Unicorns.
While watching 'Blade Runner' with my girlfriend, at the part where Deckard dreams of the Unicorn running through a Forest, my gf turned to me and asked "When did Unicorns become extinct. Was it after the Dinosaurs?"
Is that something you really should be telling people?
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2009.02.12 00:22:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Jas Dor T3 ships will have the speed advantage of the prenerf nano cruisers
lol... Unless they are able to accelerate faster, it won't matter. Speed is fairly useless now. The biggest reason for that is not that ships are slower, it's that MWD's now accelerate like afterburners. Acceleration speed is much more important. People that scream "OMG SPEED!" are EFT warriors. Top speed or going very fast in a straight line mean very little in combat. Acceleration speed and agility have always been the important bits.
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wickedpheonix
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Posted - 2009.02.12 00:29:00 -
[79]
Nerf failtrolls!!
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Erica 'cowpig'Lafehr
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Posted - 2009.02.12 00:46:00 -
[80]
I call bull crap on your logic. One only has to look at, I believe, round one of the alliance tournament where a team in T1 frigates pwned the other team. Was it RUR who won in the T1 frigs? My memory fails me atm.
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Stormwatch Galactic
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Posted - 2009.02.12 00:51:00 -
[81]
This is the most lolsome thread in a while so its worth a post..
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Mr Discord
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.02.12 00:53:00 -
[82]
Can this thread be about Narwhals instead? They're way cooler than unicorns...
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FOl2TY8
Revolutionary United Front Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.12 01:02:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Droog 1
Originally by: xxxak This thread is now about Unicorns.
While watching 'Blade Runner' with my girlfriend, at the part where Deckard dreams of the Unicorn running through a Forest, my gf turned to me and asked "When did Unicorns become extinct. Was it after the Dinosaurs?"
Nerf stupid girlfriends!
in the mouf ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve |
Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2009.02.12 01:02:00 -
[84]
What's this with skill loss and T3 ships? You can't upgrade your clone if you own a T3 ship? -- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.02.12 01:10:00 -
[85]
I have yet to be forced to fly a t1 cruiser
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2009.02.12 10:11:00 -
[86]
t3 will be either worthless or overpowered
why? cause its almost impossible to hit the balanced middle ground with that many combinations, it evidently is already hard enough with t1 and t2
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.12 10:17:00 -
[87]
And after reading all of the thread no one mentioned that the lulz pre nano nerf speeds they are flying around at is achieved by wedging in a 100mn mwd and completely gimping any sane or usable pvp fit.
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.12 10:25:00 -
[88]
Originally by: KarGard Get it right, they're called Twonicorns!
Twonicorns are related to the oneicorns, same with monocorns and sterocorns.
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Updyke
State Wh0re Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.12 10:32:00 -
[89]
Originally by: KarGard
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
Originally by: SharpMango Buff Unicorns to have two Horns! Hence forth to be known as err Duocorns.
Only people with tons of ISK are going to be able to afford Duocorns. It will be another big 0.0 alliance monopoly! COMPLETE BULLSHTT!!!11 All unicorns and your broken f-tarded "duocorns" should be nerfed down to standard horses. Only way to be fair solo and new players!
Get it right, they're called Twonicorns!
In point of fact my good man, the correct term is Bicycorn.
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Zaknussem
Caldari Intrum Industria
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Posted - 2009.02.12 11:09:00 -
[90]
Originally by: xxxak This thread is now about Unicorns.
Charlie! Charlie! Come with us to Candy Mountain!
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2009.02.12 11:28:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Del Narveux
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria I imagine staff meetings where the last item on the agenda is labeled "LOLtastic"
And likely consists of power point presentations on a giant projection screen.
I would totally go to work for CCP if they did that.
Don't be silly. We would never, ever have silly agenda items like that. We have a mailing list for them.
Originally by: Mr Discord Can this thread be about Narwhals instead? They're way cooler than unicorns...
Narwhals are indeed awesome.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.02.12 11:36:00 -
[92]
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Del Narveux
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria I imagine staff meetings where the last item on the agenda is labeled "LOLtastic"
And likely consists of power point presentations on a giant projection screen.
I would totally go to work for CCP if they did that.
Don't be silly. We would never, ever have silly agenda items like that. We have a mailing list for them.
Originally by: Mr Discord Can this thread be about Narwhals instead? They're way cooler than unicorns...
Narwhals are indeed awesome.
Ah ye I watched that last night. Very good.
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.12 11:36:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Cors Same thing was said about T2 ships.
But the BS fleet is still one of the most basic fleet setups for 0.0 combat.
I remember that being said of T2. Although it is pretty much a pre-req for solo PVP which you don't see a great deal of now, T1 has always been the pfreferred ship for fleet ops. Mostly due to close to 100% insurance payouts meaning it costs next to nothing if you lose it.
As a small gang flying T1 ships, we've owned more T2 ships than we've lost T1's. I think that confirms that T2 are not the wtfpwnall everyone thought they would be. I guess the same will be said of T3 when it finally comes out. I doubt that, after all the speed nerfing, damage nerfing and such CCP has done over the last couple of years, they'd be dumb enough to bring out ships that reversed all that.
-- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again |
DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.12 11:40:00 -
[94]
Originally by: CCP Whisper Narwhals
Wow, I had to check the date to see if it wasn't an aprils fool joke. That is one awesome creature. Never heard of them before. - - -
Originally by: CCP Prism X I can invent ways to get free candy for you where the implementation is so bad that you'd never want to see candy again in your whole life.
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Ass Eels
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Posted - 2009.02.12 11:44:00 -
[95]
We pray the rich empire hugging carebears are reading this post and are about ready to jump into shiny t3 ships and go pvp for the first time... then we will see if t2 really is dead. Seriously there's no "I Win" button in eve, never was, even pre nano nerf, even with 10k m/s macherials with 35km scrams and 25km webs, even stabberbonds...
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egegergergsdgedgege
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Posted - 2009.02.12 11:46:00 -
[96]
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Del Narveux
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria I imagine staff meetings where the last item on the agenda is labeled "LOLtastic"
And likely consists of power point presentations on a giant projection screen.
I would totally go to work for CCP if they did that.
Don't be silly. We would never, ever have silly agenda items like that. We have a mailing list for them.
Originally by: Mr Discord Can this thread be about Narwhals instead? They're way cooler than unicorns...
Narwhals are indeed awesome.
Wooow. Will we find some of them in space. Giant unicorn space whales. Whoohooo.
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Sade Onyx
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Posted - 2009.02.12 12:09:00 -
[97]
Originally by: CCP Whisper At least the FotM nerf threads will be entertaining. "Nerf the...uhm...hang on...err...Caldari Combo #1243! Or wait, was it #1423? Or #1342? And I think that Amarr Combo #2142 is about the same, just with lasers instead of missiles...uhm...NERF ALL OF T3!"
hehe, do you honestly expect it to be like this?...
I know there are many iterations possible, but cmon, all thats going to happen is that there will be two or three setups that EVERYONE uses.
Just like most ships have a globally recognized 'setup' depending on what they are doing (pve, pvp, cosmos, etc)
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Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.12 12:14:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Sade Onyx
Originally by: CCP Whisper At least the FotM nerf threads will be entertaining. "Nerf the...uhm...hang on...err...Caldari Combo #1243! Or wait, was it #1423? Or #1342? And I think that Amarr Combo #2142 is about the same, just with lasers instead of missiles...uhm...NERF ALL OF T3!"
hehe, do you honestly expect it to be like this?...
I know there are many iterations possible, but cmon, all thats going to happen is that there will be two or three setups that EVERYONE uses.
Just like most ships have a globally recognized 'setup' depending on what they are doing (pve, pvp, cosmos, etc)
The only ships with set-in-stone fittings are mining barges, mission ships, and T2 cruisers... And with the variety that T3 offers the only thing two hulls have in common is likely to be the hull.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.12 12:30:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Plumpy McPudding I'll be whatever I want to do.
Best post of this thread, hands down.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Ralitge boyter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.12 12:53:00 -
[100]
Good thing that Atari/CCP will be selling T4 ships and modules for PLEX in a station near you starting Summer 2010.
To bad you will still be forced in to your T3 cruiser becuase it is so OMGWTFBBQPWN and can take out any Titan, Dread and Interceptor out there. Oh, ehm wait... well you know what you keep on flying T3 cruisers then while the rest of us will just use the best ship for the occasion. ------------------------------------------- Should you disagree with me, well I guess that is because I disagree with you. If you have a problem with that please feel free not to tell me. |
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Smartislarti
HEART OF GOLD
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Posted - 2009.02.12 13:48:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Smartislarti on 12/02/2009 13:53:13 I personally love the idea of combos. ANyway, before combining, start learning from nature and learn what NOT to do.
Like this one... "Since we have to speak well of the dead, let's knock them while they're alive." -- John Sloan |
Smartislarti
HEART OF GOLD
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Posted - 2009.02.12 13:51:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Smartislarti on 12/02/2009 13:52:05 double "Since we have to speak well of the dead, let's knock them while they're alive." -- John Sloan |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.12 13:55:00 -
[103]
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Don't be silly. We would never, ever have silly agenda items like that. We have a mailing list for them.
Given the amount of loltastic crap that goes on around here sometimes, I would hate to be your Exchange Admin |
permion
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Posted - 2009.02.12 15:29:00 -
[104]
T3 is what ship production should have been in the first place. Just to a much more permanent extent.
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Sade Onyx
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Posted - 2009.02.12 15:39:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Asuka Smith
The only ships with set-in-stone fittings are mining barges, mission ships, and T2 cruisers... And with the variety that T3 offers the only thing two hulls have in common is likely to be the hull.
Well yea there are slight variations and people do tinker.... But when you consider how many 'possible' fittings for any given ship there are and then look at the fittings that people use there is very little variation. its not like you see Thorax's running around with strange mix's of autocannons, hybrids and smartbombs with mining drones.
If there are 1000 possible configurations for each t3 ship, I'll bet that in a few months time there will be less than 5% of the possible configurations will be in use in the entire universe!
The eve community will swallow will the T3 mechanics, experiment with DPS spreadsheets, test and trial, and will end up spitting out about 5 configurations for each ship which will be "the best"
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.13 02:34:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Sade Onyx The eve community will swallow will the T3 mechanics, experiment with DPS spreadsheets, test and trial, and will end up spitting out about 5 configurations for each ship which will be "the best"
I'd go for 3. Mining/salvage, PVE and PVP. There will always be an "optimal" PVP configuration that everyone will eventually use. The only different ones will be from noobs who have yet to learn the optimal configuration but they won't sell except to other inexperienced noobs.
-- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again |
Klyde
The Nightshift Rough Necks
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Posted - 2009.02.13 02:53:00 -
[107]
I like the idea behind the T3 ships but I am not a big fan of the losing SP when shot down thing.
If CCP decides to keep this in then I will not be flying T3 ships period. I will not fly or do anything that will make me loose Skill Points. I have been training for years on all my chars and the one thing in this game that is of most value is your skill points.
If this is the way it will be and pilots need to fly T3 ships to remain competitve in eve, then myself along with a lot of others will walk away from this game, that is a fact.
Please rethink this part.
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Xavier Zedicus
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Posted - 2009.02.13 03:35:00 -
[108]
t3 ships haven't even been given models let alone bonuses, how can anyone make any assumptions yet. |
Rakessh
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion Xenotech Celestial Coalition
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Posted - 2009.02.13 03:57:00 -
[109]
Originally by: CCP Whisper At least the FotM nerf threads will be entertaining. "Nerf the...uhm...hang on...err...Caldari Combo #1243! Or wait, was it #1423? Or #1342? And I think that Amarr Combo #2142 is about the same, just with lasers instead of missiles...uhm...NERF ALL OF T3!"
I agree, don't even bother to launch it. If it's gonna carry a hefty sp removal on death I'm not gonna touch that crap. Better off skilling up even higher for T2 to offset it as much as possible...
T3 will be crap.
I'm serious. I'm not gonna sit my pod inside one of those ships if it kills sp to die... ever! It's a waste of time.
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.02.13 04:08:00 -
[110]
This is amusing, t2 isn't even that spectacular. Let's face it, a hurricane/harbinger/drake/myrmidon with proper skills will rip apart any HAC and costs half as much when fitted (and is fully insurable). The only thing a HAC has over them is a bit more gtfo capability if you get blobbed. I guarantee that 1 BS will **** 1 T3 cruiser 1vs1, in 5vs5 the BS advantage will be greatly magnified as tracking will become less of an issue. The real question is will they overtake the BC. If they are truly better than t2, then they might be able to topple BC's as the default pvp ship in a small gang. But that will only be determined with some time.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.13 04:26:00 -
[111]
at the moment my legion has a base speed of 450...
I think tracking is a HUGE issue :p
Problem is, it has the same number of slots as a t1 cruiser...
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.02.13 04:27:00 -
[112]
Originally by: xxxak This thread is now about Unicorns.
I've been playing this MMO that has like five other people in it and I know four of them personally named Requiem, and it has unicorns with their mouths frothing with blood. Or were they zebras? I don't know. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN |
Ancy Denaries
Caldari Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.13 07:26:00 -
[113]
I WISH people would stop staring into this thing.
----- Why doesn't anyone ever read the forums before posting?
EVE is a PvP game. Adaptation is your survival. |
Updyke
State Wh0re Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.13 07:29:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: xxxak This thread is now about Unicorns.
I've been playing this MMO that has like five other people in it and I know four of them personally named Requiem, and it has unicorns with their mouths frothing with blood. Or were they zebras? I don't know.
CARNIVOURS HORESES of DEATH! (FTW)
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