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Kehmor
Caldari Malevolent Emo Herders
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Posted - 2009.02.12 02:03:00 -
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I think the main point is being missed here which is:
Give a ****?
Success in this game rarely comes from sp. People will take advantage of this I'm sure, but who cares? Their exra willpower in a paticular 6 month slot isn't going to save them on the battle field. This change, while not neccesary, will subdue the people who accidently put points in to charisma, and then will very mildly be abused by people who can be bothered.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.02.12 02:04:00 -
[32]
Um, okay
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2009.02.12 02:41:00 -
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Nobodys saying there should be no respecs at all, what those of us who are opposing it are saying is doing them infinitely, every 6 months introduces more metagaming and provides absolutely no immersion or playability bonus over one or two one-off respecs.
For the record, I do not like the skill system as I have made abundantly clear over the years. I do not like commoditization of SP and/or attributes either, nor addition of new skills. If CCP said the next patch will give everyone +100 to everything and be done with it, I'd be the biggest fan on the forums. But periodic respecs do not do that, in fact they do nothing but force everyone to respec or fall behind, just like people are forced to spend months training learning skills or never get anywhere. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
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Silence Duegood
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Posted - 2009.02.12 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor I think the main point is being missed here which is:
Give a ****?
Success in this game rarely comes from sp. People will take advantage of this I'm sure, but who cares? Their exra willpower in a paticular 6 month slot isn't going to save them on the battle field. This change, while not neccesary, will subdue the people who accidently put points in to charisma, and then will very mildly be abused by people who can be bothered.
What does this have to do with the OP? We're not talking about success on the 'battlefield'. We're talking about taking variety and flushing it down the toilet so we can have a more homogeneous 'WoW in Space'.
How about you stick to the discussion and avoid the strawmen.
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Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2009.02.12 03:39:00 -
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I'd have to go with three bananas. It would be patently obvious if the answer was 3 bananas and it would just be silly if the answer was only one banana.
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Achmed TheTerrorist
Black Serpent Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.12 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Hiroshima Jita I'd have to go with three bananas. It would be patently obvious if the answer was 3 bananas and it would just be silly if the answer was only one banana.
This is incorrect, as...
OMFG + ReSpec your attributes CLEARLY equals 2 bananas.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari Fist of Eargon
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Posted - 2009.02.12 05:40:00 -
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This is why people have alts...
I didn't like my first character a week in, so I respeced and played Caldari instead (Gallente before). It's not difficult...if you want to try a new route, make an alt, or even a second character on your primary account if you can afford the SP loss on your main.
Geee, I wonder why they put those character slots there! ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong." |
Etria Issen
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.12 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Unknown This is why people have alts...
I didn't like my first character a week in, so I respeced and played Caldari instead (Gallente before). It's not difficult...if you want to try a new route, make an alt, or even a second character on your primary account if you can afford the SP loss on your main.
Geee, I wonder why they put those character slots there!
I do wonder that really. Given the fact you can only train skills on one per account alts on the same account actually mean you lose out over all. The only reason I can see for them is if you made a character and disliked it. But if you like one but want to try something new, yet want to keep 'using' the original, you really need to get a 2nd account...
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Agent Unknown
Caldari Fist of Eargon
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Posted - 2009.02.12 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: Etria Issen
Originally by: Agent Unknown This is why people have alts...
I didn't like my first character a week in, so I respeced and played Caldari instead (Gallente before). It's not difficult...if you want to try a new route, make an alt, or even a second character on your primary account if you can afford the SP loss on your main.
Geee, I wonder why they put those character slots there!
I do wonder that really. Given the fact you can only train skills on one per account alts on the same account actually mean you lose out over all. The only reason I can see for them is if you made a character and disliked it. But if you like one but want to try something new, yet want to keep 'using' the original, you really need to get a 2nd account...
I kinda wish you could train on multiple characters on the account, but keep the restriction of not being able to login twice with the same account... ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong." |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.12 05:53:00 -
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Reads the thread then looks at the ops sig. *giggles*
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
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Etria Issen
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.12 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Unknown
Originally by: Etria Issen
Originally by: Agent Unknown This is why people have alts...
I didn't like my first character a week in, so I respeced and played Caldari instead (Gallente before). It's not difficult...if you want to try a new route, make an alt, or even a second character on your primary account if you can afford the SP loss on your main.
Geee, I wonder why they put those character slots there!
I do wonder that really. Given the fact you can only train skills on one per account alts on the same account actually mean you lose out over all. The only reason I can see for them is if you made a character and disliked it. But if you like one but want to try something new, yet want to keep 'using' the original, you really need to get a 2nd account...
I kinda wish you could train on multiple characters on the account, but keep the restriction of not being able to login twice with the same account...
That'd be lovely really. I have a bad habit of rerolling alts in moments of boredom. But since I can only train skills on one account I... Haven't. For obvious reasons.
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Nestor Troy
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Posted - 2009.02.12 06:05:00 -
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I totally agree with op. For example an old character training carrier level V just respecs his attributes with max possible perception/willpower and gets crazy sp/hour during that skill.
The newer players like the op mentioned have to change skillsets and really don't benefit much from this until they have high rank level V skills to train.
I do understand the frustration of some people having loads of charisma and I agree you should be able to tweak one attrib once. And then simply never again.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari Fist of Eargon
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Posted - 2009.02.12 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nestor Troy I totally agree with op. For example an old character training carrier level V just respecs his attributes with max possible perception/willpower and gets crazy sp/hour during that skill.
The newer players like the op mentioned have to change skillsets and really don't benefit much from this until they have high rank level V skills to train.
I do understand the frustration of some people having loads of charisma and I agree you should be able to tweak one attrib once. And then simply never again.
What sucks is that charisma is completely useless to a new player...but is needed for corporation/social/trade skills later on. It becomes a royal pain ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong." |
Etria Issen
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.12 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nestor Troy I totally agree with op. For example an old character training carrier level V just respecs his attributes with max possible perception/willpower and gets crazy sp/hour during that skill.
The newer players like the op mentioned have to change skillsets and really don't benefit much from this until they have high rank level V skills to train.
I do understand the frustration of some people having loads of charisma and I agree you should be able to tweak one attrib once. And then simply never again.
A high charisma makes missioning less painful. Though Charisma has no 'long-term' benefit or anything. Or if you PvP instead.
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ
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Posted - 2009.02.12 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Nestor Troy I totally agree with op. For example an old character training carrier level V just respecs his attributes with max possible perception/willpower and gets crazy sp/hour during that skill.
The newer players like the op mentioned have to change skillsets and really don't benefit much from this until they have high rank level V skills to train.
I do understand the frustration of some people having loads of charisma and I agree you should be able to tweak one attrib once. And then simply never again.
I agree with this, most folk are not grasping that tis will not be a boon to noobs that ****es off vet....just the opposite. Noobs will no way in hell be able to take advantage of this in a min/max way but veterans will be able to and most likely will do so..
this is a noob nerf disguised as a buff.
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sg3s
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.12 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: Irida Mershkov They're still trying to work out those four sided rubik's cubes.
Huh? A pyramid?
Troll or genuine idiot? Either way you will find your answer in the dev panel video of fanfest last year.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.12 08:23:00 -
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You always ask for receipts when you get a x-mas present don't you OP?
And the answer is: grapes. - - -
Originally by: CCP Prism X I can invent ways to get free candy for you where the implementation is so bad that you'd never want to see candy again in your whole life.
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Gallente SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.02.12 08:40:00 -
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Buff Gallente
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.02.12 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 12/02/2009 08:54:48
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: Irida Mershkov They're still trying to work out those four sided rubik's cubes.
Huh? A pyramid?
Yes
Iriba was probably being a troll, but there is such thing. Rubix does make one too. I had one as a kid, solved it the hard way. I was pretty proud of that at the time. Thought I was qualified for a cube, found out how wrong I was.
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Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.12 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden And you WILL have that happen, as no one really trains ONLY per/wil or INT/Mem or whatever skills for 6 months at a time except in very very rare circumstances (Character farming).
I'll direct you to this post. It shouldn't be particularly hard to figure out training queues — not even good and fun training queues — that restrict themselves to two attributes.
All the support stuff: Int/Mem. All the flying about/explody stuff: Per/Wil (or, gasp!, Wil/Per for the T2 ship classes). All science/industry stuff: Int/Mem.
Sure, at the very beginning of your carreer, you probably want to mix it up a bit, but once you're past 10mil or so and have the baseline set, your assertion no longer rings true. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.12 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: sg3s Troll or genuine idiot? Either way you will find your answer in the dev panel video of fanfest last year.
Nah. Merely a poor choice of wording: a cube can't be four-sided, by very definition.
Irida should have said four-panelled or some such. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.12 11:16:00 -
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Sounds to me like only people who do not understand how to min/max are in support of this... "who trains ONE type of skill for six months"
I will tell you who, a pilot who wants to fly a HAC and have the gunnery skills to fit it. There is six months worth of training right there easy, errr make that four months I just respecced kekeke.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.12 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith Sounds to me like only people who do not understand how to min/max are in support of this... "who trains ONE type of skill for six months"
I will tell you who, a pilot who wants to fly a HAC and have the gunnery skills to fit it. There is six months worth of training right there easy, errr make that four months I just respecced kekeke.
BS + t2 large will easily have you occupied for half a year. - - -
Originally by: CCP Prism X I can invent ways to get free candy for you where the implementation is so bad that you'd never want to see candy again in your whole life.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.12 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jalif Eve isn't anymore about the skills Eve is now more about what you can do with those skills.
Basicly, CCP is rewarding the players who are smart. (If you don't understand this, you don't belong to the last group)
No, CCP is rewarding those players who messed things up the first time around.
Under the old system, players who read up on how the games worked and did a bit of thinking had an advantage. That will no longer be the case.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.12 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Insa Rexion
Originally by: Nestor Troy I totally agree with op. For example an old character training carrier level V just respecs his attributes with max possible perception/willpower and gets crazy sp/hour during that skill.
The newer players like the op mentioned have to change skillsets and really don't benefit much from this until they have high rank level V skills to train.
I do understand the frustration of some people having loads of charisma and I agree you should be able to tweak one attrib once. And then simply never again.
I agree with this, most folk are not grasping that tis will not be a boon to noobs that ****es off vet....just the opposite. Noobs will no way in hell be able to take advantage of this in a min/max way but veterans will be able to and most likely will do so..
this is a noob nerf disguised as a buff.
My thoughts exactly.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Tnam
Caldari Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2009.02.12 11:35:00 -
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I really can't find a problem with this change, if you look over a whole skill tree for a specific thing most times the attributes are spread over all but charisma. So even though my main character has a perfect layout in attributes (Caldari/Achura with high perc/int and slightly lower will/mem) when I look over the things that I actually train its kind of level right through (especially when you start maxing T2 ship skills and stuff).
What I like about this is that some people (a lot of people) made their characters before they knew much about eve and ended up with crazy high charisma and willpower etc...it just makes eve more painful for those people and this gives them a change to level things out.
I dunno whether I will respec at any point, the circumstances that I could see I might are: - I just wanna devote 6 months of training to leadership skills which I have none of. - I plan to cross train to another race of dreadnaught from scratch where it takes the better part of 6 months to max the relevant skills.
My hunch with this is that the vast majority will set their attribs quite similar to the Achura template and be done with it, which in the end has to be fair. Only a few highly skilled pilots or people training pure specialist alts will switch them around every 6 months to make an optimal training plan for whatever they want. ----
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TimMc
Gallente Extradition
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Posted - 2009.02.12 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jalif Eve isn't anymore about the skills Eve is now more about what you can do with those skills.
Basicly, CCP is rewarding the players who are smart. (If you don't understand this, you don't belong to the last group)
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.02.12 11:39:00 -
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Is it 42?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.12 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
And you WILL have that happen, as no one really trains ONLY per/wil or INT/Mem or whatever skills for 6 months at a time except in very very rare circumstances (Character farming).
Actually, I've been doing just that for the last three years or so.
For example, I've just spent about the last six months taking Amarr Carrier and a load of other ship skills up to V.
I could also spend six months focusing solely on missile skills, or six months getting that last level of Fighters as well as maxing out a load of other drone skills.
I can do this becuase I'm a vet who has all of the essential skills already. New players don't have that luxury.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.12 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon Is it 42?
You fell for it. It's actually 47 since you forgot to add the 5 respec points. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again |
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