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Commanderess
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:24:00 -
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What if CCP were to create random characters, spawn some ISK on them, and buy PLEX/GTC off the open market?
Could potentially be one of the most profitable things a company has ever done. Sell you Game Time, then buy that Game Time back with something that has no value and they can create from nothing.
Discuss.
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Riceball Wingding
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:26:00 -
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Not only that, but they could dance naked on an icy volcano while eating whale flippers!
When will it ever end?
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:26:00 -
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CCP: "All your plex are belong to us."
Apoctasy > unfortunately, Concord does not reimburse citizens for their own stupidity
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:28:00 -
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I am ok. Tehy maek more monii and habe monii to make Eve bettar.
Alle is gut for alle.
--------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Go vote! Put voice for silent majority. LOVE PVP, HATE grief |
mcnuggetlol
Amarr Outlandish Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:29:00 -
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CCP = US government = New World Order = Illuminati = ALIENS??!??!!?
I'll let YOU DECIDE
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Gierling
Gallente Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:29:00 -
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Would cause Inflation relatively quickly, you'd be able to tell pretty quickly.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.
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Agrigan
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:32:00 -
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Perhaps it's already inflated?
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Butch Granite
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Butch Granite on 12/02/2009 20:33:20 You bring up a very good point there commanderess.
The problem here is they have created a way for Real money to exist as an in game item for an indefinite amount of time, which they can then buy using generated in game money by the company.
while the plex system is good this would be a way for ccp to make insane amounts of money. However with all that isk coming into the market form nowhere, the amrket would crumble
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:32:00 -
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Best tinfoil hat conspiracy theory I've heard in a very long time though.
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:32:00 -
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Fatal flaw: game time is itself effectively created from nothing and goes away when used so doing this would be redundant.
This is of course assuming the $$ supply is constant, which seems fair since most GTCs are sold for isk anyway. Seller doesnt really care how much time he gets, as long as its the going rate. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
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Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ki Tarra on 12/02/2009 20:34:11 CCP would need to expend significant resources to find a proper price level for a PLEX token, and continue to adjust that price scheme to match changes in supply and demand pressures caused by factors both internal and external to the game: if they offer too much ISK for a PLEX, then they won't sell as many. If they offer too low of a price people won't trade them.
...or CCP could take the lazy approach and let the players self regulate the PLEX token pricing.
When the easiest and laziest approach is also the most cost effective, it is pretty obvious what the choice would be.
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Butch Granite
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux Fatal flaw: game time is itself effectively created from nothing and goes away when used so doing this would be redundant.
This is of course assuming the $$ supply is constant, which seems fair since most GTCs are sold for isk anyway. Seller doesnt really care how much time he gets, as long as its the going rate.
ccp would not use the game time. they would keep it and therefore the people who would have baught it, would have to give ccp more money for game time.
Originally by: Ki Tarra Edited by: Ki Tarra on 12/02/2009 20:34:11 CCP would need to expend significant resources to find a proper price level for a PLEX token, and continue to adjust that price scheme to match changes in supply and demand pressures caused by factors both internal and external to the game: if they offer too much ISK for a PLEX, then they won't sell as many. If they offer too low of a price people won't trade them.
...or CCP could take the lazy approach and let the players self regulate the PLEX token pricing.
When the easiest and laziest approach is also the most cost effective, it is pretty obvious what the choice would be.
The thing here is, how much money WOULD it make ccp. if they did it right, lets say, 90% of all plex's baught from ccp, shattered crystal ect whicha re then sold for isk would not get used? seriously thats earning ccp ALOT of money
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:42:00 -
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[WTS] T2 Tinfoil Hat BPO
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar pSyChOTIC CareBears BrightSpark Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:43:00 -
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That's pretty cunning indeed.
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Commanderess What if CCP were to create random characters, spawn some ISK on them, and buy PLEX/GTC off the open market?
Demand for PLEX's would increase, resulting in higher PLEX Prices. Players leave the game due to the higher PLEX prices that they can't afford. CCP loses money?
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:47:00 -
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bugger t2 i rolling the super tin foil hat
This week EvE Life: Wormhole Wars 01/Feb
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Dr Resheph
Amarr YOU ARE NOW READING THIS LOUDLY
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux Fatal flaw: game time is itself effectively created from nothing and goes away when used so doing this would be redundant.
This is of course assuming the $$ supply is constant, which seems fair since most GTCs are sold for isk anyway. Seller doesnt really care how much time he gets, as long as its the going rate.
Uh.. it amazes me to see people fail at basic economics.
If CCP did this (and they could), it would be creating extra demand for gametime which in turn might increase supply. If there's a fatal flaw anywhere in this scheme its that an increase in demand doesn't necessarily increase supply.
The prices would skyrocket, which in turn means that CCP is pushing legitimate gamers out out of market competition while spawning hundreds of billions into the economy. Meanwhile the supply could simply peak, and any further demand would just be making PLEX sellers richer.
In other words, it would work only in the short term.
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eFart
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: eFart on 12/02/2009 20:49:20 lol yall shut up and go play the game
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Riceball Wingding
Not only that, but they could dance naked on an icy volcano while eating whale flippers!
When will it ever end?
we don't eat whale flippers.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Elysarian on 12/02/2009 20:51:07
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Riceball Wingding
Not only that, but they could dance naked on an icy volcano while eating whale flippers!
When will it ever end?
we don't eat whale flippers.
/me nods...
It's seal flippers right?
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Kulmid
Asshats and Alcoholics
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Riceball Wingding
Not only that, but they could dance naked on an icy volcano while eating whale flippers!
When will it ever end?
we don't eat whale flippers.
Can you respond to the OP?
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kulmid
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Riceball Wingding
Not only that, but they could dance naked on an icy volcano while eating whale flippers!
When will it ever end?
we don't eat whale flippers.
Can you respond to the OP?
We don't eat whale flippers, seal flippers, or scam GTCs and PLEXs.
the naked dancing volcano thing? totally true, tho
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Kulmid
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Riceball Wingding
Not only that, but they could dance naked on an icy volcano while eating whale flippers!
When will it ever end?
we don't eat whale flippers.
Can you respond to the OP?
We don't eat whale flippers, seal flippers, or scam GTCs and PLEXs.
the naked dancing volcano thing? totally true, tho
Handing out t2 BPO's? c/d?
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Kulmid
Asshats and Alcoholics
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Kulmid
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Riceball Wingding
Not only that, but they could dance naked on an icy volcano while eating whale flippers!
When will it ever end?
we don't eat whale flippers.
Can you respond to the OP?
We don't eat whale flippers, seal flippers, or scam GTCs and PLEXs.
the naked dancing volcano thing? totally true, tho
Then you should, its genius. _________________
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: Haradgrim on 12/02/2009 20:58:49
Originally by: Trebor Notlimah
Handing out t2 BPO's? c/d?
Flogging a dead horse? c/d? --
Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donęt forget the reach-around.
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Alex V0X2
Minmatar Exiled. Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Kulmid
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Riceball Wingding
Not only that, but they could dance naked on an icy volcano while eating whale flippers!
When will it ever end?
we don't eat whale flippers.
Can you respond to the OP?
We don't eat whale flippers, seal flippers, or scam GTCs and PLEXs.
the naked dancing volcano thing? totally true, tho
a fish might be smelled here ----------------- http://cakematar.wordpress.com/ (epicness in rabbles) |
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CCP Mitnal
C C P CCP
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Posted - 2009.02.12 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Riceball Wingding
Not only that, but they could dance naked on an icy volcano while eating whale flippers!
When will it ever end?
we don't eat whale flippers.
Nom, nom, nom
Err yeah, course not.
Super Tin Foil hat
I thought we were keeping the Fanfest pics SEKWIT?
Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Email |
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.02.12 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim Edited by: Haradgrim on 12/02/2009 20:58:49
Originally by: Trebor Notlimah
Handing out t2 BPO's? c/d?
Flogging a dead horse? c/d?
I swear I saw it move a little....
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2009.02.12 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout the naked dancing volcano thing? totally true, tho
You saw a naked dancing volcano? Just what were you on?
Wrangler Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email
Do you know what a soldier is, young man? He's the chap who makes it possible for civilized folk to despise war. |
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.02.12 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: CCP Fallout the naked dancing volcano thing? totally true, tho
You saw a naked dancing volcano? Just what were you on?
brennivin
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ
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Posted - 2009.02.12 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Commanderess What if CCP were to create random characters, spawn some ISK on them, and buy PLEX/GTC off the open market?
Could potentially be one of the most profitable things a company has ever done. Sell you Game Time, then buy that Game Time back with something that has no value and they can create from nothing.
Discuss.
So you are saying "what if CCP were to sell you isk ?"
well mannered a**h*** |
Commanderess
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Posted - 2009.02.12 21:05:00 -
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Lets look at it this way
1. Plex system implements a way for CCP to easily remove this game time from the system by buying it and having it sit in hangers.
2. Plex system implemented as Iceland economy begins to tank. Making it easier for CCP to make their profits.
3. Epic trolling by CCP in this thread to divert the attention away from the point it makes.
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Butch Granite
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Posted - 2009.02.12 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: Butch Granite on 12/02/2009 21:05:05 *butch granite wonders why ccp are trying to divert attention from OP :p
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.02.12 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: CCP Fallout the naked dancing volcano thing? totally true, tho
You saw a naked dancing volcano? Just what were you on?
*Notices the picture of a Volcano in a sexy nighty on Wranglers desk*
You are a sick, sick, man Wrangler --
Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donęt forget the reach-around.
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Venus Felix
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Posted - 2009.02.12 21:09:00 -
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Why go through all the trouble of creating chars and ISK when they could just create NPC market orders? Could be a really useful way to stop RMT imho...
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ
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Posted - 2009.02.12 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Insa Rexion on 12/02/2009 21:11:19
Originally by: Commanderess Lets look at it this way
1. Plex system implements a way for CCP to easily remove this game time from the system by buying it and having it sit in hangers.
2. Plex system implemented as Iceland economy begins to tank. Making it easier for CCP to make their profits.
3. Epic trolling by CCP in this thread to divert the attention away from the point it makes.
point is, the OP is asking "what if CCP were to sell you isk" in a roundabout way, it's not like they would gain from this much more than they already do by allowing players to sell you isk (indirectly thru GTCs).
Both plex and isk already belong to CCP and are just pixels/code that they can create or destroy at will, so what exactly is all the fuss about ? It's not like they could take those "scammed plexs" out of the game and sell them on.
well mannered a**h*** |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.02.12 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: CCP Fallout the naked dancing volcano thing? totally true, tho
You saw a naked dancing volcano? Just what were you on?
brennivin
"Brennivfn ... is an Icelandic schnapps, ... sometimes called svarti dau=i ("black death").
At times it is drunk as a "chaser" after sampling "hßkarl", which consists of putrified shark meat, to mask the meat's taste."
So, I guess, the naked dancing volcano isn't the worst of it. ...
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.02.12 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
"Brennivfn ... is an Icelandic schnapps, ... sometimes called svarti dau=i ("black death").
At times it is drunk as a "chaser" after sampling "hßkarl", which consists of putrified shark meat, to mask the meat's taste."
So, I guess, the naked dancing volcano isn't the worst of it.
I refused to try hakarl, which is better known as "pee shark." We had a mission that was to eat hakarl and drink brennivin near the bathrooms at the Fanfest. The smell was exceptionally overwhelming. Needless to say, my bathroom trips were infrequent. And quick.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.02.12 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: CCP Fallout the naked dancing volcano thing? totally true, tho
You saw a naked dancing volcano? Just what were you on?
brennivin
Touche`
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.02.12 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Razin
"Brennivfn ... is an Icelandic schnapps, ... sometimes called svarti dau=i ("black death").
At times it is drunk as a "chaser" after sampling "hßkarl", which consists of putrified shark meat, to mask the meat's taste."
So, I guess, the naked dancing volcano isn't the worst of it.
I refused to try hakarl, which is better known as "pee shark." We had a mission that was to eat hakarl and drink brennivin near the bathrooms at the Fanfest. The smell was exceptionally overwhelming. Needless to say, my bathroom trips were infrequent. And quick.
Wuss. --
Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donęt forget the reach-around.
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Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
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Posted - 2009.02.12 22:04:00 -
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Jeez... ok, first, they sell you the plexes and make money. Then you're asking if they buy the plexes to keep them off market...
Why? As stated, it would only increase the isk value of the plexes (i.e. limited supply vs. average demand). The only way I could foresee it being utilized is by doing one or two plexes/region in order for the so-called 'scam/tinfoil hattery' to have any kind of sustainability.
That's a lot of work for such a minor scam, tbh.
Oh, and Brennivfn? Seriously? No wonder you're seeing dancing naked volcanoes. (I need to move to Iceland)
Originally by: Frenden Dax My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
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Commanderess
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Posted - 2009.02.12 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Chomin H'ak
Why? As stated, it would only increase the isk value of the plexes (i.e. limited supply vs. average demand).
This would make it so more people would buy PLEX, as they would get more ISK for their dollar. And even if these plex sit on the market, that's still game time that has been bought and not used. Since what CCP is giving people for these plex is actually free for them, they don't care how much they cost.
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.02.12 22:50:00 -
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o.0
I would just like to congratulate the OP on getting the most "Blue" posts I've ever seen in a player thread...
Apoctasy > unfortunately, Concord does not reimburse citizens for their own stupidity
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Galligher
Asshats and Alcoholics
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Posted - 2009.02.12 23:09:00 -
[44]
For anyone who has read my Market Discussion thread. Enjoy:
*****es don't know.
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Flamable Content
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Posted - 2009.02.12 23:19:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Galligher For anyone who has read my Market Discussion thread. Enjoy:
not so much lol...Craptastic photoshop job though
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Something Random
Gallente Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.02.12 23:26:00 -
[46]
Posting in a foiled_nasty_ccp_negated_the_shareholders_extra_holiday_for_this_year thread.
\o/ woohoo!
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Galligher
Asshats and Alcoholics
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Posted - 2009.02.12 23:36:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Flamable Content
not so much lol...Craptastic photoshop job though
That's MSPaint, thank you very much.
*****es don't know.
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Tibberg
Asshats and Alcoholics
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Posted - 2009.02.12 23:49:00 -
[48]
Photoshop is for girls
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.13 00:52:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Galligher For anyone who has read my Market Discussion thread. Enjoy:
WIN
This week EvE Life: Wormhole Wars 01/Feb
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.13 01:07:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Galligher For anyone who has read my Market Discussion thread. Enjoy:
damn you i have to log in to see that crap pic btw recruit more players in your corp/alliance and tell your enemy to make the same thing and you get more players in low sec and 0.0 |
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.13 01:11:00 -
[51]
Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Galligher For anyone who has read my Market Discussion thread. Enjoy:
damn you i have to log in to see that crap pic
the new rickroll ?
This week EvE Life: Wormhole Wars 01/Feb
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Citizen AQ670E14
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Posted - 2009.02.13 01:37:00 -
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I must say, If I ran a game company that had a GTC system like eve's, I would totally pull this scam.
Just would have to make sure I was in one of those godforsaken countries, where no would come chasing after me to prosecute.
Anyone know of a small, possibly island country where people would be loathe to go due to the frigid temperatures and nasty local rotted-shark snacks?
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.13 01:39:00 -
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has someone figured out that using in game currency that is made up means that you actually getting nothing as the customer has already payed and so they have already had there monies worth
and what could they do with the isk they get from it
they can make isk at any time
This week EvE Life: Wormhole Wars 01/Feb
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Citizen AQ670E14
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Posted - 2009.02.13 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C has someone figured out that using in game currency that is made up means that you actually getting nothing as the customer has already payed and so they have already had there monies worth
and what could they do with the isk they get from it
they can make isk at any time
A player seeking to purchase a PLEX would find less available as CCP would be buying them up with phantom ISKs. PLEX demand will remain realtively unchanged, but PLEX supply would become lowered, increasing the value per GTC.
More players might have the incentive to purchase GTC's then for ISK making purposes, creating real actual money for CCP.
The actual number of subsriptions bought and paid for is never changed by GTC's, CCP always gets their money for each account, one way or another (you pay the monthly fee, or someone else did and sold you the GTC). In the OP theory, more GTC's can be sold for real money than accounts demand, making money, essentially, out of no where for CCP.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.13 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Originally by: Armoured C has someone figured out that using in game currency that is made up means that you actually getting nothing as the customer has already payed and so they have already had there monies worth
and what could they do with the isk they get from it
they can make isk at any time
A player seeking to purchase a PLEX would find less available as CCP would be buying them up with phantom ISKs. PLEX demand will remain realtively unchanged, but PLEX supply would become lowered, increasing the value per GTC.
More players might have the incentive to purchase GTC's then for ISK making purposes, creating real actual money for CCP.
The actual number of subsriptions bought and paid for is never changed by GTC's, CCP always gets their money for each account, one way or another (you pay the monthly fee, or someone else did and sold you the GTC). In the OP theory, more GTC's can be sold for real money than accounts demand, making money, essentially, out of no where for CCP.
doesnt this also mean with the lack of plex on the market to sell because CCP has them thaqt sub will fall ?
This week EvE Life: Wormhole Wars 01/Feb
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Wannabehero
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2009.02.13 01:48:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Originally by: Armoured C has someone figured out that using in game currency that is made up means that you actually getting nothing as the customer has already payed and so they have already had there monies worth
and what could they do with the isk they get from it
they can make isk at any time
A player seeking to purchase a PLEX would find less available as CCP would be buying them up with phantom ISKs. PLEX demand will remain realtively unchanged, but PLEX supply would become lowered, increasing the value per GTC.
More players might have the incentive to purchase GTC's then for ISK making purposes, creating real actual money for CCP.
The actual number of subsriptions bought and paid for is never changed by GTC's, CCP always gets their money for each account, one way or another (you pay the monthly fee, or someone else did and sold you the GTC). In the OP theory, more GTC's can be sold for real money than accounts demand, making money, essentially, out of no where for CCP.
doesnt this also mean with the lack of plex on the market to sell because CCP has them thaqt sub will fall ?
The ISK must flow --
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.13 01:50:00 -
[57]
i am a robot
how that for tinfoil
and i know where you live in... ingame
This week EvE Life: Wormhole Wars 01/Feb
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Citizen AQ670E14
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Posted - 2009.02.13 01:50:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Originally by: Armoured C has someone figured out that using in game currency that is made up means that you actually getting nothing as the customer has already payed and so they have already had there monies worth
and what could they do with the isk they get from it
they can make isk at any time
A player seeking to purchase a PLEX would find less available as CCP would be buying them up with phantom ISKs. PLEX demand will remain realtively unchanged, but PLEX supply would become lowered, increasing the value per GTC.
More players might have the incentive to purchase GTC's then for ISK making purposes, creating real actual money for CCP.
The actual number of subsriptions bought and paid for is never changed by GTC's, CCP always gets their money for each account, one way or another (you pay the monthly fee, or someone else did and sold you the GTC). In the OP theory, more GTC's can be sold for real money than accounts demand, making money, essentially, out of no where for CCP.
doesnt this also mean with the lack of plex on the market to sell because CCP has them thaqt sub will fall ?
Possibly some players might stop playing if prices for PLEX got to high, not to mention that there could be a fairly sizable destabilizing inflationary effect from dumping ISK into the system like this. I doubt the monetary loss would be any less than that gained though.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.13 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Originally by: Armoured C has someone figured out that using in game currency that is made up means that you actually getting nothing as the customer has already payed and so they have already had there monies worth
and what could they do with the isk they get from it
they can make isk at any time
A player seeking to purchase a PLEX would find less available as CCP would be buying them up with phantom ISKs. PLEX demand will remain realtively unchanged, but PLEX supply would become lowered, increasing the value per GTC.
More players might have the incentive to purchase GTC's then for ISK making purposes, creating real actual money for CCP.
The actual number of subsriptions bought and paid for is never changed by GTC's, CCP always gets their money for each account, one way or another (you pay the monthly fee, or someone else did and sold you the GTC). In the OP theory, more GTC's can be sold for real money than accounts demand, making money, essentially, out of no where for CCP.
doesnt this also mean with the lack of plex on the market to sell because CCP has them thaqt sub will fall ?
Possibly some players might stop playing if prices for PLEX got to high, not to mention that there could be a fairly sizable destabilizing inflationary effect from dumping ISK into the system like this. I doubt the monetary loss would be any less than that gained though.
so if CCP do it or dont .. nothing really changed apart from a small influx of prince =/ c/d
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Citizen AQ670E14
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Posted - 2009.02.13 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C so if CCP do it or dont .. nothing really changed apart from a small influx of prince =/ c/d
Well, it does change that CCP can change something not real (ISK) into somethink real (Kronors)
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.13 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Originally by: Armoured C so if CCP do it or dont .. nothing really changed apart from a small influx of prince =/ c/d
Well, it does change that CCP can change something not real (ISK) into somethink real (Kronors)
but they get that because the GTC has already been paid for now matter what isk or scam they pull in and out of game
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Citizen AQ670E14
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Posted - 2009.02.13 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Originally by: Armoured C so if CCP do it or dont .. nothing really changed apart from a small influx of prince =/ c/d
Well, it does change that CCP can change something not real (ISK) into somethink real (Kronors)
but they get that because the GTC has already been paid for now matter what isk or scam they pull in and out of game
Players buy GTC with real money in order to
1) Play the game 2) sell to make virtual moneys
If CCP were to buy up GTC, it would aritifically be increasing demand, making the price of GTC's go up (in ISK). This would make GTC's more valuable ingame, creating incentive for more players to buy GTC's to sell for ISK.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.13 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Originally by: Armoured C so if CCP do it or dont .. nothing really changed apart from a small influx of prince =/ c/d
Well, it does change that CCP can change something not real (ISK) into somethink real (Kronors)
but they get that because the GTC has already been paid for now matter what isk or scam they pull in and out of game
Players buy GTC with real money in order to
1) Play the game 2) sell to make virtual moneys
If CCP were to buy up GTC, it would aritifically be increasing demand, making the price of GTC's go up (in ISK). This would make GTC's more valuable ingame, creating incentive for more players to buy GTC's to sell for ISK.
oooh yeah
DURRRRR
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Citizen AQ670E14
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Posted - 2009.02.13 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Players buy GTC with real money in order to
1) Play the game 2) sell to make virtual moneys
If CCP were to buy up GTC, it would aritifically be increasing demand, making the price of GTC's go up (in ISK). This would make GTC's more valuable ingame, creating incentive for more players to buy GTC's to sell for ISK.
oooh yeah
DURRRRR
I lol'ed
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.13 02:02:00 -
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it doesnt happen anyway so go back to sleep /eat some food/kill that roid
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Citizen AQ670E14
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Posted - 2009.02.13 02:05:00 -
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I'm not sure, but I think the roids are in on the conspiracy.
After all, to combat the massive ISK inflation, resources, such as minerals, will need to also be expanded to keep prices down.
There will be roids everywhere.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.13 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14 I'm not sure, but I think the roids are in on the conspiracy.
After all, to combat the massive ISK inflation, resources, such as minerals, will need to also be expanded to keep prices down.
There will be roids everywhere.
have you seen new roids
they are very roidey
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Citizen AQ670E14
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Posted - 2009.02.13 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14 I'm not sure, but I think the roids are in on the conspiracy.
After all, to combat the massive ISK inflation, resources, such as minerals, will need to also be expanded to keep prices down.
There will be roids everywhere.
have you seen new roids
they are very roidey
linky?
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.13 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14 I'm not sure, but I think the roids are in on the conspiracy.
After all, to combat the massive ISK inflation, resources, such as minerals, will need to also be expanded to keep prices down.
There will be roids everywhere.
have you seen new roids
they are very roidey
linky?
linkified
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Citizen AQ670E14
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Posted - 2009.02.13 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14 I'm not sure, but I think the roids are in on the conspiracy.
After all, to combat the massive ISK inflation, resources, such as minerals, will need to also be expanded to keep prices down.
There will be roids everywhere.
have you seen new roids
they are very roidey
linky?
linkified
Gharr! I don't want to log in! I want to play on the forums!
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.13 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Gharr! I don't want to log in! I want to play on the forums!
cant you do both ?
and OMG
Pyramid quoting (quoting more than 4 people recursively) is not allowed, please remove some of the quotes and try again! CONCORD has been notified when was this added in ?
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Citizen AQ670E14
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Posted - 2009.02.13 02:22:00 -
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Docking up for the night
o7 Armoured C
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.13 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14 Docking up for the night
o7 Armoured C
o7
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.02.13 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Pyramid quoting (quoting more than 4 people recursively) is not allowed, please remove some of the quotes and try again! CONCORD has been notified when was this added in ?
The Great and Legendary Karbacca has assumed control of all of EVE and its' creators. Pyrimid quoting has been deemed unworthy of posting unless it revolves arround The Great and Legendary Karbacca. Failure to adhere to The Great and Legendary Karbaccas' will shall result in torture, death, and the disersal of said-servants House and family. You have been warned.
The Great and Legendary Karbacca has spoken.
/End Thread.
Apoctasy > unfortunately, Concord does not reimburse citizens for their own stupidity
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Commanderess
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Posted - 2009.02.13 02:49:00 -
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To all you who are saying that them doing this would ruin the economy. I am not necessarily saying they are buying up almost every PLEX or GTC that hits the market. Say for example they bought 2 everyday, that would be over 700 plex, or about $12500 USD or so. Which I agree with those who are going to tell me that $12500 is nothing to CCP. But this is just an example, and that's $12500 of completely FREE money for CCP. Completely free, basically they would just be selling ISK for money.
If it were done on this small a scale, it would not even touch the economy. But those who argue that GTC and plex would be incredibly highly priced if CCP did this, all I have to say is that for the last 8 months GTC, and PLEX, since their introduction have been on a steady rise in price.
Then you have to consider, does CCP really care about the ingame economy? It suffers from inflation as it is, which is just continuing to drive up the price of GTC, which works in CCPs favor. (the more GTC/PLEX are worth, the more incentive to buy) Then as this increased supply hits the market, CCP can just buy them up to stop prices from dropping. CCP can completely regulate the GTC market if they are the majority buyers of GTCs.
All I'm really suggesting is that CCP have ingame, a method for them to basically sell ISK to players. In a way that disguises it. I'm disappointed to see CCP take a thread like this so lightly and troll it like they have and would prefer to see a proper statement from CCP.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.02.13 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Butch Granite Edited by: Butch Granite on 12/02/2009 20:33:20
However with all that isk coming into the market form nowhere, the amrket would crumble
You mean just like the ISK that comes from missions and transporting NPC goods and ratting? Yeap, looks like the same thing to me. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN |
Khrillian
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.13 04:59:00 -
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They would lose many of the players or at least the alts of the players who play using GTCs. While this would free up server resources, it would shrink the playerbase which may be bad in the long run.
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Commanderess
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Posted - 2009.02.13 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Khrillian They would lose many of the players or at least the alts of the players who play using GTCs. While this would free up server resources, it would shrink the playerbase which may be bad in the long run.
You seem to think I'm saying CCP is buying EVERY single PLEX/GTC that hits the market. That is not at all what I am saying. Only that they are buying a majority or at least some of them.
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Khrillian
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.13 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Commanderess
Originally by: Khrillian They would lose many of the players or at least the alts of the players who play using GTCs. While this would free up server resources, it would shrink the playerbase which may be bad in the long run.
You seem to think I'm saying CCP is buying EVERY single PLEX/GTC that hits the market. That is not at all what I am saying. Only that they are buying a majority or at least some of them.
Yeah, you can tell a similar story. This drives PLEX prices up so it drives the player who is on the margin out of the market, reducing playerbase size.
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Commanderess
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Posted - 2009.02.13 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Khrillian
Originally by: Commanderess
Originally by: Khrillian They would lose many of the players or at least the alts of the players who play using GTCs. While this would free up server resources, it would shrink the playerbase which may be bad in the long run.
You seem to think I'm saying CCP is buying EVERY single PLEX/GTC that hits the market. That is not at all what I am saying. Only that they are buying a majority or at least some of them.
Yeah, you can tell a similar story. This drives PLEX prices up so it drives the player who is on the margin out of the market, reducing playerbase size.
Based on the way PLEX and GTC continue to rise anyway, and player base continues to grow daily, I don't think your argument holds water. CCP could essentially keep the market at whatever price they want to. Maximizing profits, while also maximizing player base.
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James Malice
Gallente Coalition Of Resolution
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Posted - 2009.02.13 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Commanderess
Originally by: Khrillian
Originally by: Commanderess
Originally by: Khrillian They would lose many of the players or at least the alts of the players who play using GTCs. While this would free up server resources, it would shrink the playerbase which may be bad in the long run.
You seem to think I'm saying CCP is buying EVERY single PLEX/GTC that hits the market. That is not at all what I am saying. Only that they are buying a majority or at least some of them.
Yeah, you can tell a similar story. This drives PLEX prices up so it drives the player who is on the margin out of the market, reducing playerbase size.
Based on the way PLEX and GTC continue to rise anyway, and player base continues to grow daily, I don't think your argument holds water. CCP could essentially keep the market at whatever price they want to. Maximizing profits, while also maximizing player base.
I see no problem with this...
Originally by: MooKids I like them, I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.02.13 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Razin
"Brennivfn ... is an Icelandic schnapps, ... sometimes called svarti dau=i ("black death").
At times it is drunk as a "chaser" after sampling "hßkarl", which consists of putrified shark meat, to mask the meat's taste."
So, I guess, the naked dancing volcano isn't the worst of it.
I refused to try hakarl, which is better known as "pee shark." We had a mission that was to eat hakarl and drink brennivin near the bathrooms at the Fanfest. The smell was exceptionally overwhelming. Needless to say, my bathroom trips were infrequent. And quick.
Really? I never noticed anything
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ
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Posted - 2009.02.13 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14 I'm not sure, but I think the roids are in on the conspiracy.
After all, to combat the massive ISK inflation, resources, such as minerals, will need to also be expanded to keep prices down.
There will be roids everywhere.
Confirming I was approached by a large boulder of veldspar round the back of my local with a view to my purchasing some "top quality gear mate"
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Verx Interis
Amarr Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.02.13 09:16:00 -
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Considering they can create the time codes themselves from nothing... What would be the point? ---- Logins required for this post: 55255 |
Dristra
Amarr Idle Haven
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Posted - 2009.02.13 09:35:00 -
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This is such a silly thread...
Originally by: CCP Atropos the physics engine has balls
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Commanderess
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Posted - 2009.02.13 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Verx Interis Considering they can create the time codes themselves from nothing... What would be the point?
Why would CCP possibly want to spawn gametime and essentially give it away? You are missing the point of this thread entirely. They aren't just trying to hoard up the PLEX because they want to see a large number of them in their hanger, your post would be correct if this were true. They spawn the ISK, to buy the PLEX that they sold for REAL MONEY. Therefore they are selling gametime, for real money, then buying it back with something they can get for free and never use it. Now you have vast amounts of gametime being bought and never used. Which means massively more profits for CCP.
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Jesho
Minmatar Swedish Aerospace Inc Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.13 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout We had a mission that was to eat hakarl and drink brennivin near the bathrooms at the Fanfest. The smell was exceptionally overwhelming. Needless to say, my bathroom trips were infrequent. And quick.
Yes and because it was near the bathrooms at the bottom floor, that allowed the smell to go up via the stairs to all the other floors above. That way everyone could smell it :)
instead of how it was the year before when (i guess it was the same smelly stuff) it was at the top floor.
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Commanderess
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Posted - 2009.02.13 18:02:00 -
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CCP could even go as far as to use a name that would resemble a macro-miner. And when the process the macro-miner banning batch. Ban the account with all the PLEX in its hanger and call it a macro-miner, and no one would question it. Meanwhile they are effectively removing the game time from the game in what looks like a completely legitimate fashion.
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Riceball Wingding
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Posted - 2009.02.13 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Kulmid
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Riceball Wingding
Not only that, but they could dance naked on an icy volcano while eating whale flippers!
When will it ever end?
we don't eat whale flippers.
Can you respond to the OP?
We don't eat whale flippers, seal flippers, or scam GTCs and PLEXs.
the naked dancing volcano thing? totally true, tho
He, he.
Sense of humor for the win!
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Khrillian
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.13 21:13:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Commanderess
Originally by: Khrillian
Originally by: Commanderess
Originally by: Khrillian They would lose many of the players or at least the alts of the players who play using GTCs. While this would free up server resources, it would shrink the playerbase which may be bad in the long run.
You seem to think I'm saying CCP is buying EVERY single PLEX/GTC that hits the market. That is not at all what I am saying. Only that they are buying a majority or at least some of them.
Yeah, you can tell a similar story. This drives PLEX prices up so it drives the player who is on the margin out of the market, reducing playerbase size.
Based on the way PLEX and GTC continue to rise anyway, and player base continues to grow daily, I don't think your argument holds water. CCP could essentially keep the market at whatever price they want to. Maximizing profits, while also maximizing player base.
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