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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.13 21:35:00 -
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I thought I would chime in with feedback on the new introduction to the game. Though the visuals are nice, I do have a concern. The new video, unlike the last one, offers the viewer (frequently a new player) very little information about the world they're about to be dropped in to. I understand that to hold attention an introduction must be brief and concise. However, after watching it I was left with no real insight into the world of Eve.
"You are awesome and immortal" is the only message I got from the minute-or-so long video. It may have been quite alright to cut out specific information about the races and empires that arose after the collapse of the Eve gate, as this can be provided during character creation. Specifics aren't necessary, and making the player feel important in the setting is, but I feel that new players should walk into character creation with a very basic knowledge of the early backstory.
To summarize, if I was a new player who hadn't seen a good handful of the trailers produced for the game, I feel I might be scratching my head after viewing the introduction. It needs to provide more info than being a simple ego-stroke.
It's entirely possible that I've missed the mark because this video is supposed to be complimentary to something else, but as it stands in the current Singularity build that's what I feel.
That all said though I always enjoy what comes out of CCP.
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Kinuko
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Posted - 2009.02.13 21:43:00 -
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Yeah new intro movie is extremely bad, hopefully they will return back to original one.
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Xelios
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.13 22:03:00 -
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I didn't think it was so bad, except for the end. I think the main goal of an intro movie is to make you say "Wow this is awesome", and the old one (bless its heart) didn't accomplish that at all in my opinion. It was informative yes, but the lack of in game footage or action of any kind didn't really give me any feeling at all.
But it looks terrible fullscreened with that compression. Either up the quality considerably or just play it at 1:1 in letterbox format.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.13 22:20:00 -
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the old one should be re-introduces as a halo-heel. Which you gain apon completion of the tutorial.
Dont worry CCP, you can have that for free.
Oh and more roloreels can be introduced after that into the next expansion as you'll have the groundwork laid. Then one more expansion later you might be on the road to havigna capture video button in eve with automacticlly saves a halo-reel to your harddrive and can then be uploaded to eve-files or such. |
Taasha
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.13 22:54:00 -
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Seriously does nobody else see that CCP is trying to dumb down the game to bring in the 12-18yr WoW market?
It's getting ****ing stupid obvious. |
Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.14 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 14/02/2009 11:08:12 Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 14/02/2009 11:07:31
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda I feel that new players should walk into character creation with a very basic knowledge of the early backstory.
An extremely large number of current players seem to know nothing about the backstory, early or otherwise. Sad to say, CCP seem bent on making sure that in-game we never see any background story at all, and hope that the few that are sufficiently motivated go and buy the book and read the short stories & chronicles.
I concur with your assessment. What do we play games for if not to immerse ourselves in a different world? I'm getting very tired of the repeated MMO 'you are the chosen one, the immortal, and oh by the way, try and ignore the several hundred thousand other chosen ones' meme that game designers seem increasingly fixated on. Not really what I was expecting to see out of the new player experience of the one MMO that dared to break the mould. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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whoyoulookingat
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.02.14 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Taasha Seriously does nobody else see that CCP is trying to dumb down the game to bring in the 12-18yr WoW market?
It's getting ****ing stupid obvious.
^^^This.. It's already showing on forums with threads derailed, stupid one word replies and general "kiddish" behaviour!! CCP need to put their foots down and start banning users who continually put nothing more than childish drivel is posts!! Same needs to be done on sisi with those that break the rules - we know the rules, where they are posted to, yet still people run amock!! PERMA ban is the only way
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Atsuko Yamamoto
Caldari The Nietzian Way
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Posted - 2009.02.14 11:55:00 -
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The original intro did have the background feel as to how the world of EVE came to be. The history leading into the future (the narrator telling that you are to shape it) was a nice setup.
This seems to be more "go out and smash/make money/take it all" intro. It's good to show the aspects of different play styles though, that I did like. But the story and background is totally gone and doesn't give me a feeling that "This is the EVE universe". Yes it's internet spaceships, but we like the whole story too.
And yes have to agree, that is a massive amount of ego stroking, honestly, I blushed a little
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Bonny Lee
Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.14 12:10:00 -
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Why cant we have both? I loved the old one and it was a special feeling it gave to me when i first entered EvE. Personally i think the older vid is more like EvE truly is in its deep soul.
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Helison
Gallente Times of Ancar
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Posted - 2009.02.14 12:54:00 -
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It¦s a great trailer, but as intro? Sorry - no.
I just watched the old intro and this new vid: The old one had much more atmosphere AND information. While it was a bit long and in need of a small update, I would really prefer it over the new one. |
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Arda Xi
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: whoyoulookingat
Originally by: Taasha Seriously does nobody else see that CCP is trying to dumb down the game to bring in the 12-18yr WoW market?
It's getting ****ing stupid obvious.
^^^This.. It's already showing on forums with threads derailed, stupid one word replies and general "kiddish" behaviour!! CCP need to put their foots down and start banning users who continually put nothing more than childish drivel is posts!! Same needs to be done on sisi with those that break the rules - we know the rules, where they are posted to, yet still people run amock!! PERMA ban is the only way
Get this man a banhammer.
Now seriously, this is very true. This once mature community is going down, being replaced by kids who will probably not even stay longer than a couple of months. Unfortunately, for CCP, they mean income.
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Khaelis
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 17:18:00 -
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While the video is good and the old intro is very old now.. I don't feel that this new video is good enough to replace it. What other people have said is quite close to my opinion, in needs more backstory at least.
I wouldn't go so far as to say its catering to the WoW masses but it does seem very "dumbed down". Some dev feedback on what we have said so far would be nice.
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MJ Maverick
IronPig Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.02.14 17:28:00 -
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Big square pixel fail. lol
I don't mind it tbh, it's a good idea. But what I don't like is they left out the history of Earth -> which is one of the main foundation of EVE that make it seem all more real. Without that it's just some sci-fi game to blend in with the rest of the genre.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.15 03:44:00 -
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I preferred the old one too tbh.
The new one is pretty, even if the re-sampling is a bit blocky and pixelated. It's basically just an ego stroke that does nothing at all to describe Eve's setting though.
I much preferred the old one with the story telling and a rundown of the races, if that had been revamped a little and re-worded it would have been much better.
Still, it's pretty if not a little short.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.15 03:52:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 15/02/2009 03:54:59
Originally by: MJ Maverick Edited by: MJ Maverick on 14/02/2009 17:29:40
Big square pixel fail. lol
I don't mind it tbh, it's a good idea. But what I don't like is they left out the history of Earth -> EVE which is one of the main foundations of EVE that make it seem all more real. Without that it's just some sci-fi game to blend in with the rest of the genre.
well yeah he races and back story are no longer important.
we allready covered this, keep up:P
it's now more about the freedom and stuff. **** the races, **** the eve gate. who cares, new players don't need to know that stuff. By doing this new players think of eve more as a playground, which is important. I mean it's honestly a good idea to make new players understand they are immortal. This would not work as a trailer. A trailer would not make sense, "you are about to become" makes it sound like an intro.
but if CCP don't use thier new scene 2 tech to play the old introl for the player at the end of the tutorial they will have ruined the game, forever.
p.s.(I'm 100% against CCP on this one, the intro is cool, but what the **** is wrong with you guys seriously, wtf.) |
Marlona Sky
Caldari Astroglide X
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Posted - 2009.02.15 07:01:00 -
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Its boring.
I could come up with a nice few lines that say the same thing but why not just flat out say 'Boring'
Hire a good script writer. I am being serious.
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.15 07:06:00 -
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I have to say this new intro really disappoints me. I love the backstory of EVE and seeing the intro stripped of all that got me interested in the backstory in the first place really sucks. Everything else in this expansion I'm really looking forward to except for this change. Please CCP reconsider cutting out the introduction to the story of EVE, cause it's a really great universe.
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Arda Xi
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Posted - 2009.02.15 07:14:00 -
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Well, the way it is now, is: you're immortal, everyone else is to, do whatever the heck you want, that's it. This kind of ruins the backstory, so I sincerely hope the old story is somehow displayed somewhere in the game, because otherwise, this game will feel a lot more generic.
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Jek Tar'qul
Gallente IsilZheHa Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.15 07:23:00 -
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this intro sucks vs. past openings from CCP, disappointing! And for the love of that is pod goo holy say we still have some kind of link to the back story. and not so nice job on just piecing together scenes from previous Eve videos..
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SexxxSlave
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Posted - 2009.02.15 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Dont worry CCP, you can have that for free.
good lord, what is with you. Like you're god's gift to CCP or something....get over yourself.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.15 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: SexxxSlave
Originally by: MotherMoon
Dont worry CCP, you can have that for free.
good lord, what is with you. Like you're god's gift to CCP or something....get over yourself.
and you must be the eve-o forum critic.
get over yourself too, I was kidding about the free thing, it was suppose to be in insult at ccp that aplayer can notice an issue thier dev team can not.
oh god I'm explaining a random comment I made on a forum to an alt.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.15 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Arda Xi Well, the way it is now, is: you're immortal, everyone else is to, do whatever the heck you want, that's it. This kind of ruins the backstory, so I sincerely hope the old story is somehow displayed somewhere in the game, because otherwise, this game will feel a lot more generic.
I went and watched it a second time just to be sure. Coupled with the revamped NPE in character creation, a player new to EVE has no idea what the distinction is between choosing Amarr or Caldari or Gallente or Minmatar, or that these cultures, rich with history, might prompt players to pick a given path (heaven forfend that an MMO player might wish to actually play a role instead of transposing a selfish opportunistic teenager into space). I was hoping for at least a few seconds spent on each race & their culture, the history of how New Eden arose, but there's not a sausage. I did have a good laugh at the continued use of shots of homogenous fleets though. At least someone tried to make things non-generic somewhere in the art department - pity they chose the one place where it doesn't happen.
For me the problem goes further than that, beyond simply making the game feel generic, and failing to introduce any backstory. The entire intro also fails to make clear that life in EVE has consequences, the exact thing the game is built on - it instead spends 3-4 minutes telling you how great you are and how you can go out and do anything. In all seriousness, I was expecting 'Unreal Tournament in space' to run as a tag-line somewhere. You died? Oh dear, well don't worry, you're an immortal demi-god, just respawn, it'll be ok.
I look forward to (more?) teenage players with god complexes smacking in local because their existing ego & detachment via the Internet has been further inflated .
As an aside, telling people they're great and can do anything actually makes the realisation that they can't because established major players have already been there and done that even worse. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Kayscha
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Posted - 2009.02.15 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
"You are awesome and immortal" is the only message I got from the minute-or-so long video.
Exactly, and I really have a beef with that message. Not only is absurd to feel awesome and immortal as one of half a million capsuleers (players and alts), it lessens the weight of the rich background and history EVE provides. I would greatly prefer a message that says "you are a upcoming and promising part of a deep, complex world of opportunites." or something along these lines.
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Perry
Amarr The X-Trading Company RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.15 11:02:00 -
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Old Intro. Bring it back.
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Atsuko Yamamoto
Caldari The Nietzian Way
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Posted - 2009.02.15 19:52:00 -
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Kyoko, how long would it take you to write up a revamp of the older intro?
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Stitcher
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.02.15 20:15:00 -
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So much for "constructive" criticism....
the intro sequence really hasn't ever been a strong part of EVE. The original is too long-winded and slow, this new one's too vague and doesn't really help set the scene.
Strikes me that CCP could really stand to learn a lesson from Tabula Rasa. That was a good intro sequence. Freelancer had a good intro movie too.
I hope that the movie we've seen thus far isn't the whole thing. As it stands it doesn't do enough to tell the story of EVE, and it's not punchy enough either. It's a step in the right direction in some ways, and a step backwards in others.
still, let's wait and see before leaping to conclusions. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Hoshi
Eviction.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 20:42:00 -
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Just rewatched both of them on a 105" screen :) and I must say I really prefer the old one. I think it gives you a better sense of the size of the eve universe.
I must also say that the heavy compression artifacts (some of the worst pixilation I have seen in a long time) really detracted from the new one. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Dakisha
Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 20:59:00 -
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New intro is fail for all the reasons given so far.
I also agree with the whole feeling that eve is being dumbed down.
All you'll end up with is something still too complex for most, yet not complex enough for those of us who do like it for the complexity.
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Erdiere
Minmatar Erasers inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
I much preferred the old one with the story telling and a rundown of the races, if that had been revamped a little and re-worded it would have been much better.
I'll have to agree, updated version of the old intro movie would be awesome.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher Strikes me that CCP could really stand to learn a lesson from Tabula Rasa. That was a good intro sequence. Freelancer had a good intro movie too.
Bang on.
The Freelancer intro in particular has really stood the test of time - tells you everything about the game, has the feel of a big budget epic, and a perfect voiceover
The new intro is really low-res too, I saw lots of blockiness
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Avalira
Caldari Pax Minor Asylum
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Posted - 2009.02.15 22:49:00 -
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Does anyone else also get the feeling that the voice at the end still wants to say something? Like the sentence was in the middle of a paragraph?
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Its been fixed. All in all its one of the more embarrassing mistakes I made, but it made game design laugh. Now lets never speak of this again.
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Horatius Caul
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 23:41:00 -
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I'm a roleplayer, and I approve this intro. -----
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.02.16 00:52:00 -
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I think they should take a good bit of the old one, cut out the part of the cold war out (where shooting each other now), and chop off the end and then traverse into the new intro where we turn our attention to where you fit in this morbid world. =============
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CCP t0rfifrans
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Posted - 2009.02.16 01:32:00 -
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thanks for all of the positive / not so positive feedback guys. one question: those who feel that the races are being left out: did you see the race introduction videos in character creation? those supplement this video in terms of backstory...
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.02.16 01:41:00 -
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oh didnt see that will poke at those then. =============
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Hoshi
Eviction.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 01:47:00 -
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When I tested to create a new char a few days ago there where no videos there, I'll delete it and try again tomorrow. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.02.16 02:01:00 -
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Okay new intro 'movies' arent movies per sey they are just audio clips.
It also doesnt go over the races warfare abilities a small description on what the race does best may help players shape thier character up to fulfill the ships roles and know the threats the other races may posses. However this can be a double edged sword as it would remove the idea players can do anything they want. =============
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Uzume Ame
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Posted - 2009.02.16 02:24:00 -
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Must be the only one but the new Intro gives you much more clue about what you can become in the eve universe than the old rp'ing one, even if vague, you can't make an intro of 5 min.
Seriouslly watch it a seecond time with more open mind that just whining and saying the old meme "Eve is dying/eve is going the WoW way". IMO is decent for a thing you're going to see once, only needs to be HD. Teh failure of a signature. |
Huang Tang
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Posted - 2009.02.16 02:44:00 -
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I really dislike the new "intro". An intro is supposed to give you some hints on the backstory. Where else is a noob supposed to find out where the hell they are and why are there 4 races and etc....
I think it would have been great to renew the old intro (backstory, INTRODUCTION) and combine it with the new one (enphasis in your ability to be what you want to be) ... please
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Neth'Rae
Gallente Decorum Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.02.16 03:06:00 -
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Edited by: Neth''Rae on 16/02/2009 03:09:47 Edited by: Neth''Rae on 16/02/2009 03:08:52 Edited by: Neth''Rae on 16/02/2009 03:07:36
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans did you see the race introduction videos in character creation? those supplement this video in terms of backstory...
First thing that annoyed me was that I tried to read the text while hearing the voice talking thinking it was the same text.. xD I still miss the old storyline intro with the concept art though, the class videos were lacking depth and atm they only show each empires logotype.. I'd really love it if you could choose to go into depth and get more info, because the screen looks pretty empty with the little text their is, would be cool of there were more pages with walls of text and images.. I'm also not a big fan of the layout, it seems to lack some interface elements to sew it all together, like frames, art, etc.
Originally by: Horatius Caul I'm a roleplayer, and I approve this intro.
I'm not and I disapprove! xD edit: no, wait! I approve of the intro video because it's very awesome, but I'd love the old intro video to be shown somewhere aswell.. (a long time ago I was actually a *gasp* roleplayer, though ambulation will probably get me roleplaying again :))
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Aeo IV
Amarr Xomic OmniCorporation
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Posted - 2009.02.16 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Uzume Ame Must be the only one but the new Intro gives you much more clue about what you can become in the eve universe than the old rp'ing one, even if vague, you can't make an intro of 5 min.
Seriouslly watch it a seecond time with more open mind that just whining and saying the old meme "Eve is dying/eve is going the WoW way". IMO is decent for a thing you're going to see once, only needs to be HD.
I liked that they showed what you could become, but still, EVE has always felt thread bare in terms of RP, and RPlayers are always getting the shaft, i think they could improve it.
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Avalira
Caldari Pax Minor Asylum
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Posted - 2009.02.16 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans thanks for all of the positive / not so positive feedback guys. one question: those who feel that the races are being left out: did you see the race introduction videos in character creation? those supplement this video in terms of backstory...
The intro is nice for those who know EVE. With the character creation skills being equalized for all races it seems CCP wants people to move away from min-maxers and make people choose their race based on the history of the race. I think this is a great move but now CCP need to give more information on the history of the races. I checked the character creation audio narration and it is a step in the right direction. It also explains why CCP decided to leave out the racial background from the intro. However:
- You mentioned "videos in character creation", where are they? I think it would be awesome if most of the screen space on the left or under the text would be dedicated to a video to complement the text. - Why no music? Without music the narration seems empty. - The narration isn't fluid enough (both intro and character creation), it is almost as if each sentence is read separately. There should be a flow when story telling, with ups and downs. - More details could be added. For instance there is no mention of the Caldari war with the Gallente. - Expand the racial backgrounds into mini-chapters. It would be really cool if you could listen to the beginning info of a race with the narration and a little video, then click on next, then listen some more with a different little video, click next, ect... The goal is to give a brief yet informative background before making the choice of race. Fake edit: The videos don't have to be video's, they can be slide shows of images.. eg 1 per sentence or so. - What if a player wants to recheck the racial audio/video if all three slots of full? Will there be an out-of-game place where we can view the racial backgrounds. Perhaps it could also have a link to eve-wiki for more information.
For a beginning I'd say this is overall a good improvement. The voice actress sounds quite nice ... will she be doing Aura?
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Its been fixed. All in all its one of the more embarrassing mistakes I made, but it made game design laugh. Now lets never speak of this again.
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Seramyr l'Ethia
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.16 04:08:00 -
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1) Needs music. 2) Needs backstory. 2) The narration is pretty erratic. It sounds like each sentence was read individually and then spliced together. 3) The writing is so, so, bad. Bloody hell. I'm going to go ahead an assume this wasn't Abraxas' work?
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.16 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans thanks for all of the positive / not so positive feedback guys. one question: those who feel that the races are being left out: did you see the race introduction videos in character creation? those supplement this video in terms of backstory...
Having watched the new intro and the 4 racial intros I still feel like your leaving out a bunch of backstory. New intro has no information on Earth or the Eve Gate disaster, really no background on the races other than a short description. The whole experience needs more detail on the setting of the universe and less pandering to the meglomaniac in all of us.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.16 07:38:00 -
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I think the intro works very well to introduce the new player to the core concepts of success at eve right as they are about to create thier first character. For a history of eve or rp material they can always go to the website and read the chronicals and watch the videos. One caveat about this new intro. It just seems to end on the wrong sentance. Kinda like the narrarator should have one last phrase to send you into eve. Maybe a slow 'Your.Destiny...Awaits' just as the eye/wormhole fades away.
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.16 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: Isil Rahsen on 16/02/2009 08:00:44
Originally by: Zeba I think the intro works very well to introduce the new player to the core concepts of success at eve right as they are about to create thier first character. For a history of eve or rp material they can always go to the website and read the chronicals and watch the videos. One caveat about this new intro. It just seems to end on the wrong sentance. Kinda like the narrarator should have one last phrase to send you into eve. Maybe a slow 'Your.Destiny...Awaits' just as the eye/wormhole fades away.
I believe the introduction to the core elements of success in eve is best left to ingame tutorials where you can actually interact with and learn those things. There is very little of the information in the old intro directly available on the website in regards to pre-gate collapse, and while many players do not roleplay or care about this game's story it is a very important part of the game and should be introduced to the new players. A lot of work has gone into the story by the community and the writers at CCP and the intro should spark the interest to explore that for those who are interested, this new one however gives you no idea that the game even has a backstory as rich and full as it is.
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london
Gallente KDS Navy
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Posted - 2009.02.16 08:11:00 -
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Is the final video going to be HD? Because this one is horribly compressed. That would be my only complaint, otherwise, great job. :)
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Aargh
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Posted - 2009.02.16 08:19:00 -
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Overall, well below par.
No real narrative, just random action footage.
Some real buttock clenchingly bad purple prose as well.
It's not "mid-nineties interactive movie" bad, but pretty much any Mechwarrior game (for example) has a better intro.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.02.16 08:21:00 -
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"This is what eve looks like to a noob, yourself. You are immortal, cannot die forever, but your not the only one like yourself and some of them will ***** slap you the minute you think otherwise, so go have fun"
Thats my sum up of the new intro.
If it was a hoover you'd be replacing the bags on it every 2 minutes on account of the mssive amount of SUCKAGE coming from it. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Helison
Gallente Times of Ancar
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans thanks for all of the positive / not so positive feedback guys. one question: those who feel that the races are being left out: did you see the race introduction videos in character creation? those supplement this video in terms of backstory...
Hmmm, technical there are videos, but normally you will only notice the voice as the only visual aspect is a fading faction-logo. Here a short info about the races are given, but nearly nothing about the history or similar. I personally could imagine to show both, the new trailer and the old backstory-intro at the first login. It would also be great to add a button to the login-screen or to the char-selection to rewatch the intro(s). |
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 16/02/2009 09:41:02 The new intro is terrible one of the worst I have seen in a long time. The old intro was good enough to watch over and over again. This one is so bad I don't want to watch it again. The following reasons are the main ones for me.
- Lost the Eve atmosphere,
- Far two generic both in look and content, not unique like the old intro
- Almost completely lost the storyline. All that back-story removed
- Very low quality, blocky and looks like a pre 2000 FMV
- Please if you have to keep this intro can you add a further button that shows the old intro or and/or let us download the old intro.
____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
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Koll Varis
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Koll Varis on 16/02/2009 10:12:56 It's not an intro it's an advert. and a crap one. Come on CCP I amire the new publicity drive but by the time a player is actually logging in it's time to stop with the ads and let the gameplay speak for itself.
The current Intro is far superior to the upcoming intro. You may have added backstory vids for each race but even for those the original intro is better as a primer. It's the story of the stagnation of mankind upon reaching the limits of its growth and the rebirth of civilization through the Eve Gate and the subsequent fall of civilization when "nature conspired with fate" and the gate collapsed, and then the rise of the new empires.
this vs this
How can anyone at CCP even compare them, the new one is not an intro, it's a very bad ad. Just spruce up the original intro, maybe add in a bit about the other races that rose following the eve gates collapse; Jovians, Sleepers, etc. But don't replace it with this stupid new one.
You've really got an epic backstory with Eve, don't throw it out in favour of this new rubbish ad which completely lacks the atmosphere of the game and fails to tell new players anything they won't find out within the first few hours of gameplay anyway. You're a pilot, you can't ever really die, you can get rich and you can fight people, there's your intro. pffft why watch that when I can just hit the undock button and find out the same things.
Btw if you really are going ahead with the crap intro you've put together then at least add the original in your videos section so we can point newbies in the direction of a decent Eve intro and just advise them to /esc skip the new one.
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Selenica Draper
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Selenica D****r on 16/02/2009 10:25:47
Yea... the new intro makes no sense at all. Atleast the original one laid out the backstory of Eve.
I find the entire character creation on Sisi to be confusing and it has a lazy, rushed look to it's design. You don't want to dumb down your game CCP.. Just look at SOE/Star Wars Galaxies for an example of why NOT to do that.
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Sade Onyx
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:27:00 -
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in complete contrast I think its awesome!
The trouble is for players casually 'trying' a new game they don't realize how different Eve is to a typical MMO, the old intro was a good explanation of how this universe was discovered, but never really tells you what your purpose is.
intros from level based MMO's will immediately tell you the 'story' and your part in it, often hinting at some end game boss's. So a new player to eve will watch the current video and feel daunted by the scale and open endedness and left with no real purpose, no drive, no motivation.
At least the new video inspires the viewer to the possibilities, stirs the imagination (by telling the viewer that they are godlike)
If I were CCP I would take the criticism of regular, experienced players with a pinch of salt and would be trying to view it from the perspective of a new player who is completely unaware of what he is about to get himself into. Eve often criticized for its unfriendliness and coldness to new players, now it starts by tell them how awesome they are!.. its defiantly a better feel good factor.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans thanks for all of the positive / not so positive feedback guys. one question: those who feel that the races are being left out: did you see the race introduction videos in character creation? those supplement this video in terms of backstory...
Didn't see any videos in build 79298. There's some spoken text over each race, for which I've logged some bugs, because they don't match up (e.g. Amarr God-Emperor is in text, and Empress in spoken voiceover) but it doesn't even begin to cover their background in my view, or why you'd choose one over the other.
There's all that space beneath the little bit of text where you could expand on it - cover the methodologies, the choices, the approaches of the race. It needn't be so detailed as to put people off, but you could drop hints about the history (e.g. just below it, 'A Brief History Of' that you can expand). For example, the Caldari were first to receive pod technology from the Jove; the Gallente and Caldari were embroiled in a bitter war. The Minmatar and Amarr hate each other, and so on. Give just enough hints about the history so that people know what they're getting into; that those that wish to make a choice can make an informed one.
After all, beyond looks and the background story, today the starting race makes no odds at all, so it might as well capitalise on the excellent background story.
Originally by: Zeba For a history of eve or rp material they can always go to the website and read the chronicals and watch the videos.
How are they going to know to look, or that there even is a history? I've met EVE players who said 'there are dev blogs?' - they look at the game, not the web-site. That and the forums do a superb job of putting people off going near the so-called community. Spend time in rookie chat and helping players (in fact I think you might, so I'm surprised at this viewpoint) - a lot of people do not know about all this rich backstory because it's hidden away on web-sites instead of in the game, and dismiss it as wordy fan fiction because of the way it's presented.
As it stands, the game appears to me to be leaning more and more towards 'make your own badly-spelt lulz story in EVE, and oh yeah, there's some background fluff written by some bored fans out there somewhere'. I think that's both unfair to the excellent writers and to the players missing out on that.
I'm not suggesting everything must be conveyed in the intro - far from it - but the repeated posts about 'why are we in pods' or 'what's this egg thing?', and 'why can't I walk to the bridge of my ship' and 'why are the Gallente and Caldari enemies?' to me implies that so far people aren't finding out about New Eden's story. Other MMOs present this info via quests and missions - EVE lacks such storytelling systems. Perhaps it's something that can be incorporated within epic mission arcs, who knows. Anyway, wandering a bit off topic. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Isil Rahsen on 16/02/2009 11:02:02
Originally by: Sade Onyx
If I were CCP I would take the criticism of regular, experienced players with a pinch of salt and would be trying to view it from the perspective of a new player who is completely unaware of what he is about to get himself into. Eve often criticized for its unfriendliness and coldness to new players, now it starts by tell them how awesome they are!.. its defiantly a better feel good factor.
I am telling my perspective of this new intro based off my impressions from when I was new and watched the old trailer. Comparing the two is impossible because one is an actual you know introduction to the story and setting of the game versus a trailer saying "Oh look your immortal and godlike go blow **** up." The new intro does not give you any insight into why you should even care about the character you make or the game overall. The old intro can be improved upon to give more insight into the different harsh realities of EVE but there is absolutely no reason to cut out the backstory like this. Most players know next to nothing about the awesome setting that so many people have worked hard to flesh out over the years since launch so why make it that much worse?
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Jek Tar'qul
Gallente IsilZheHa Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Jek Tar''qul on 16/02/2009 11:15:21
Originally by: Horatius Caul I'm a roleplayer, and I approve this intro.
What did you decide that you liked it based on a dice roll or did your local GM tell you that you were going to like it. It lacks substance that makes people more interested in EvE, one of the reasons that I moved away from games like WoW was the simple fact that they lack real substance.
This intro doesn't bring into light the true scope of EvE. It shames past trailers and makes EvE just seem like it panders to your ego without letting you know anything about who you are going to become within the game.
So just a word to the wise Roleplayer, just because you hit your "Epic" status on paper doesn't mean it has to ruin the game.
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Horatius Caul
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Horatius Caul on 16/02/2009 11:28:52 Edited by: Horatius Caul on 16/02/2009 11:26:58
Originally by: Jek Tar'qul Edited by: Jek Tar''qul on 16/02/2009 11:15:21
Originally by: Horatius Caul I'm a roleplayer, and I approve this intro.
What did you decide that you liked it based on a dice roll or did your local GM tell you that you were going to like it. It lacks substance that makes people more interested in EvE, one of the reasons that I moved away from games like WoW was the simple fact that they lack real substance.
Har har har. No, I actually read this thread first, then went to watch the intro, and I enjoyed it.
EDIT: At the very end, with the eye fading back into the wormhole, am I the only one hearing the Doctor Who theme?
EDIT 2: I can certainly agree that the old one has its charm, and if it was to be remade in the style of the new one I would probably enjoy it more. I guess I just feel the old one is a bit dated, and I feel I can see where CCP is coming from with the style in the new intro. -----
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Horatius Caul Har har har. No, I actually read this thread first, then went to watch the intro, and I enjoyed it.
If you're still reading, I'm curious - without deep explanations, what made you choose Amarr and ending up in PIE as a roleplayer?
As it stands, I don't see how a new player can make the distinction between the races to end up where you did, without having to make a new character once they've learned the ropes for a few months. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Horatius Caul
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
Originally by: Horatius Caul Har har har. No, I actually read this thread first, then went to watch the intro, and I enjoyed it.
If you're still reading, I'm curious - without deep explanations, what made you choose Amarr and ending up in PIE as a roleplayer?
As it stands, I don't see how a new player can make the distinction between the races to end up where you did, without having to make a new character once they've learned the ropes for a few months.
I had been interested in EVE Online for some time before I decided to start playing it. I had read the background available on the website, and thus I never felt that the old intro gave me any greater insight to the setting. I knew how the races related to each other, their history and most of their factionality. What I as a roleplayer have had a problem relating to is the nature of capsuleers in the setting - the real feel of which I think the new intro captures better. -----
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:40:00 -
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I just watched it. I'm sad that they just reused the trailers to do it.
Idve preferred it if they just redid the intro with new stuff, but using the new effects and such.
Then again im not happy with the new effects ive seen sofar.
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CCP t0rfifrans
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Avalira
- You mentioned "videos in character creation", where are they? I think it would be awesome if most of the screen space on the left or under the text would be dedicated to a video to complement the text. - Why no music? Without music the narration seems empty.
My bad, the files in the build are old placeholders that only contain the narrator sound track raw. They are supposed to be proper videos with pretty pictures and music. Best wait for the next build.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:46:00 -
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The new intro leaves the backstory out and thats already enough, that I am against it.Also the quality of the compression is poor.
About new videos during character creation, there are not any. Just a short audio file with a very short description of the race, that gives new players almost no ideas about the race itself.
Also the background choices regarding starting attributes are gone. You get no idea, why to choose an Immigrant or a Miner-Background for example.
The Amarr description also has an error: "The Amarr Empire is the largest and oldest of the four empires. Ruled by a mighty God-Emperor.."
I should read God-Empress.
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Jek Tar'qul
Gallente IsilZheHa Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Horatius Caul
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
Originally by: Horatius Caul Har har har. No, I actually read this thread first, then went to watch the intro, and I enjoyed it.
If you're still reading, I'm curious - without deep explanations, what made you choose Amarr and ending up in PIE as a roleplayer?
As it stands, I don't see how a new player can make the distinction between the races to end up where you did, without having to make a new character once they've learned the ropes for a few months.
I had been interested in EVE Online for some time before I decided to start playing it. I had read the background available on the website, and thus I never felt that the old intro gave me any greater insight to the setting. I knew how the races related to each other, their history and most of their factionality. What I as a roleplayer have had a problem relating to is the nature of capsuleers in the setting - the real feel of which I think the new intro captures better.
So if I got this right...You go around the game crusading as a religious zealot, hating on minnies, blowing people up for their lack of religious conviction....You must really be a winner in Non-Digital presentation because I've got to say your quite a keeper here!
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Horatius Caul
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: Horatius Caul on 16/02/2009 11:48:07
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Originally by: Avalira
- You mentioned "videos in character creation", where are they? I think it would be awesome if most of the screen space on the left or under the text would be dedicated to a video to complement the text. - Why no music? Without music the narration seems empty.
My bad, the files in the build are old placeholders that only contain the narrator sound track raw. They are supposed to be proper videos with pretty pictures and music. Best wait for the next build.
This sounds mighty interesting.
Also, I must ask. Will the new boxed version ship with any sort of print material? I know that the client on the disc will be the Quantum Rise one, and that the new players will have to twiddle their thumbs for a while waiting for the patch to drip through their downlinks, so that time might be spent thumbing through a small manual explaining some token background.
Originally by: Jek Tar'qul
So if I got this right...You go around the game crusading as a religious zealot, hating on minnies, blowing people up for their lack of religious conviction....You must really be a winner in Non-Digital presentation because I've got to say your quite a keeper here!
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Isil Rahsen on 16/02/2009 11:52:24
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Originally by: Avalira
- You mentioned "videos in character creation", where are they? I think it would be awesome if most of the screen space on the left or under the text would be dedicated to a video to complement the text. - Why no music? Without music the narration seems empty.
My bad, the files in the build are old placeholders that only contain the narrator sound track raw. They are supposed to be proper videos with pretty pictures and music. Best wait for the next build.
Are you saying that the audio we have is finalized and that the video is just lagging behind? If you are then I really feel for the new players coming in. There just is not enough racial information available to make the choice between them matter with just a little blurb on a rich history that the races have. I weep for all the newbies who won't get to enjoy the backstory because the way it's being presented makes it appear that there is very little backstory at all.
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Jalif
Black Sinisters Freedom of Elbas
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:51:00 -
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I posted this on another thread, after it I realized it would fit better here:
With the old movie I knew directly what were the diffrences between the races and they gave you a very good impression of the race (and its RP side of it). At that moment you "felt" already which race you had to choose.
Now with the new system you going after the logic. Democratic! aahh Gallente, Ruthless Militairy? Caldari! - Religous? who the hell chooses that? Minmatar? Slaves? nobody is going to choose that. (this is my opinion tbh)
Thx to that "old" move I felt I had to choose for minmatar. If I would enter the game in 2 months I wouldn't have chosen it & I wouldn't have as much fun because I love the fly minmatar.
Its the feel factor that is left out. I would like to see the introduction of the races back into the game.
However I like the new one too. It gives you the real side of eve. You are basicly immortal & you are a demi-god. I would say, mix the 2 stuff. Make a longer epic-video, with some art instead of ingame shots.
PS: I hope I gave my message across since it is not easy to explain what I meaned.
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Jek Tar'qul
Gallente IsilZheHa Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Horatius Caul I'm sorry what?
your a 'Roleplayer' aren't you? So in keeping true with the Amarr back story you should be a pious zealot, bent on the domination of all the races to create one god(ess)-state.
or did all that slip your deep readings into the Chronicles and back story archives?
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Horatius Caul
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Horatius Caul on 16/02/2009 11:58:40
Originally by: Jek Tar'qul
Originally by: Horatius Caul I'm sorry what?
your a 'Roleplayer' aren't you? So in keeping true with the Amarr back story you should be a pious zealot, bent on the domination of all the races to create one god(ess)-state.
or did all that slip your deep readings into the Chronicles and back story archives?
I think that goes without saying. I was more the
Originally by: Jek Tar'qul You must really be a winner in Non-Digital presentation because I've got to say your quite a keeper here!
I was wondering about.
EDIT: The same goes for
Originally by: Jek Tar'qul So just a word to the wise Roleplayer, just because you hit your "Epic" status on paper doesn't mean it has to ruin the game.
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Jek Tar'qul
Gallente IsilZheHa Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Horatius Caul Edited by: Horatius Caul on 16/02/2009 11:58:40
Originally by: Jek Tar'qul
Originally by: Horatius Caul I'm sorry what?
your a 'Roleplayer' aren't you? So in keeping true with the Amarr back story you should be a pious zealot, bent on the domination of all the races to create one god(ess)-state.
or did all that slip your deep readings into the Chronicles and back story archives?
I think that goes without saying. I was more the
Originally by: Jek Tar'qul You must really be a winner in Non-Digital presentation because I've got to say your quite a keeper here!
I was wondering about.
EDIT: The same goes for
Originally by: Jek Tar'qul So just a word to the wise Roleplayer, just because you hit your "Epic" status on paper doesn't mean it has to ruin the game.
I just have no idea what you're saying.
for someone to go and be able to portray a character such as an Amarr, you must have been that kid who kicked puppies and got his lunch money stolen all the time. its just my theory, but take it for what you will.
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Horatius Caul
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jek Tar'qul
for someone to go and be able to portray a character such as an Amarr, you must have been that kid who kicked puppies and got his lunch money stolen all the time. its just my theory, but take it for what you will.
The fact that I'm playing a role would seem to indicate that I'm not actually like that. If I was like an Amarrian, it wouldn't be roleplaying, would it? -----
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Jek Tar'qul
Gallente IsilZheHa Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Horatius Caul The fact that I'm playing a role would seem to indicate that I'm not actually like that. If I was like an Amarrian, it wouldn't be roleplaying, would it?
From my experience with the local nerd life, its seems that most people base their characters off of aspects of their own personality that would be taboo to the current expectations of society. So to think that you are playing a racist, pious, megalomaniac of a character wouldn't be too far off of your hidden nature.
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Horatius Caul
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jek Tar'qul
Originally by: Horatius Caul The fact that I'm playing a role would seem to indicate that I'm not actually like that. If I was like an Amarrian, it wouldn't be roleplaying, would it?
From my experience with the local nerd life, its seems that most people base their characters off of aspects of their own personality that would be taboo to the current expectations of society. So to think that you are playing a racist, pious, megalomaniac of a character wouldn't be too far off of your hidden nature.
I'm also roleplaying an eccentric gallentean trader and a religious achura inventor. Make whatever conclusions you wish, I'd like to think I'm actually a decent guy in real life. -----
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:34:00 -
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90% of the people in EVE are roleplaying *******s and doing a fine job at it.
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Lark Hidel
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:43:00 -
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As I see it some kids come to the forums with 2-3 chars and whine about something and spew hatred.
I realy dont care about the intro,I think it's fine... your not going to see it more then once.Ok,maibe adding the backstory of all 4 races in there aswell would be nicer,but like I said I dont care and there are bigger problems that devs need to adress then something as trivial as a intro wich you will only see once... or never (ESC ESC ESC FFS ESC)
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 16/02/2009 12:58:20
Originally by: Lark Hidel As I see it some kids come to the forums with 2-3 chars and whine about something and spew hatred.
An excellent description of yourself and your posting style. Your input has been a great assistance. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Vitelius
Decorum Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.02.16 13:41:00 -
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After seeing the new intro I think it's just fancy graphics (note, didn't have sound on so I have no idea what the narrative was) but looking at it I just couldn't see any atmosphere in it. Fancy rendered ships flying around of different races and bang, that's all folks.
The old intro was a lot better, hell even with the old slideshow style it was great because it really worked as an introduction to the Eve universe. The world explained, the background story illustrated. I remember when I watched it the first time after creating my account, really gave me the feeling of stepping into an interesting awesome universe. The new one looks like a bunch of advertisement shots put together just to show shiny ships - like showing kids how awesome spaceships the game has. Not appealing.
Please, put some more thought into the new intro. The old one had a feeling of telling a story to the player, the new one just looks pretty. I liked the slideshow style a lot more, doesn't take the attention away from the background narrative and quite frankly has a feel of epicness in it. Rendered animated spaceships in a pretty formation just don't cut it.
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Kaahles
n0thing Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: Kaahles on 16/02/2009 13:54:31 What I personally would favour as an intro was mentioned bevor in the same or similar form.
An intro of epic proportions (renderd / real time scences I don’t care on that one) which tells the player the history about new Eden. Something similar to the intros of games like freelancer (has been mentioned on 1st page I think) or G-Police (pretty nice intro at the time). But you definitely need a better voice over for something like that the current voice is way to cold and doesn’t have the right mood for it.
In addition to this the idea with the racial intros is very nice. I’ll look at them as soon as they are released but I guess they will have the same voice cover as the current intro on SISI and that is a bad thing from my pov.
Suggestion: I don’t think you’ll get a completely new intro done in time but I would love to see some more epic stuff in one of the next expansions. Maybe with the WiS release including some historical scenes based on planets with nice shiny characters doing something cool?
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.02.16 14:12:00 -
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I agree that some feedback is in order. To quote a friend, who put this far better than I ever could:
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Extremely disappointing writing. The copy is severely weakened by the consistently fumbling and flabby attempts to grasp meaning and, as if that alone weren't enough, is pockmarked with pleonasms and in some places completely disfigured by the thoughtless misuse of one or another word.
Here are a few examples of what I mean: "other demigods roam these stars as well, and they are no less driven to...", (An amateur mistake. There is no reason to insert the superfluous and milky-sounding "as well".) "you will roam the heavens, commanding the most powerful machines ever built", (The link between the two clauses is not immediately clear, leaving the sentence lame. Additionally, "roam" has connotations of aimlessness, which implication is harmful to the intended meaning. Off the top of my head, an altogether better choice would have been: "Commanding the most powerful machines ever built, you will stalk the heavens, ...") "so unbound that not even death itself can claim you." ("unbound" can't be graduated: you are either bound, or you are not. Since the writer(s) meant unconstrained and not, strictly speaking, unshackled from bondage, a better choice is "so free that not even death can hold you").
What a fuss over a few words! I'm sure some will say (or, at least, be tempted to say). Yes, certainly, because a trailer or intro like this one is a reading continuously illustrated with moving pictures. The difference between making right and wrong calls at many junctures like the ones above is the difference between a clear and forceful reading and a passable one that, instead of bounding, shuffles to its goal.
On the whole, I think it's competent and I'm sure it'll intrigue many future players. But with better writing, it could have been excellent, because all the other aspects of the production are very, very good. ____________
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.16 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tareen Kashaar I agree that some feedback is in order. To quote a friend, who put this far better than I ever could:
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Extremely disappointing writing. The copy is severely weakened by the consistently fumbling and flabby attempts to grasp meaning and, as if that alone weren't enough, is pockmarked with pleonasms and in some places completely disfigured by the thoughtless misuse of one or another word.
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Erdiere
Minmatar Erasers inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tareen Kashaar I agree that some feedback is in order. To quote a friend, who put this far better than I ever could:
*gibberish*
So... "Other demigods stalk these stars, and they are no less driven to...", "Commanding the most powerful machines ever built, you will stalk the heavens, ...", "so free that not even death can hold you"
Stalking heavens, free from the hold of death.... tell your friend to leave his crack pipe, really.
These corrected versions suggested here are simply horrible.
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.16 18:00:00 -
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The intro is nice and all, but as have been mentioned before, it feels like it leaves ALL the backstory behind and doesn't mention it. While it does describe slightly what you can do in the game, the whole EVE gate and all that "new universe" stuff just gets left out, which is a HUGE miss. That part of the backstory is important, and leaving it out of the actual introduction is a very bad move.
The intro should describe the backstory and explain what caspuleers really are, and then the racial videos (not in the game atm) should describe the empires. At least in my opinion.
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Kinuko
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Posted - 2009.02.16 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Kinuko on 16/02/2009 18:35:02
Originally by: Tareen Kashaar
"Commanding the most powerful machines ever built, you will stalk the heavens, ...")
"so free that not even death can hold you"
Woah that is some solid writing here. I think even solid writing can make some stupid ego boosting intro into epic one. Even though I don't like the concept of new intro ,fixing some voice-over and writing mistakes will make it at least tolerable.
I mean new intro basicly tells you that:
"You are the best!! And even if you fail at anything, you can just raise your hand and say Intro movie said I was the best and immortal and demigod!!"
Anyway CCP can keep main concept of intro like that but at least they should work on writing and voice-over a little more. But I doubt they will do so.
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.16 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ancy Denaries The intro is nice and all, but as have been mentioned before, it feels like it leaves ALL the backstory behind and doesn't mention it. While it does describe slightly what you can do in the game, the whole EVE gate and all that "new universe" stuff just gets left out, which is a HUGE miss. That part of the backstory is important, and leaving it out of the actual introduction is a very bad move.
The intro should describe the backstory and explain what caspuleers really are, and then the racial videos (not in the game atm) should describe the empires. At least in my opinion.
This. Hopefully CCP t0rfifrans is passing this along to the other devs.
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Stitcher
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.02.16 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tareen Kashaar I agree that some feedback is in order. To quote a friend, who put this far better than I ever could:
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Extremely disappointing writing.(etc)
I'm inclined to disagree with the suggested revisions, frankly. Sure, they look good on paper, but what reads well and what sounds good are two very different things. A voiceover needs cadence and rhythm just as much as solid writing, if not more.
One thing I'd definitely like would be adding the after-effects used to produce the AURA voice. I know it's the same voice actress, but for that real EVE effect, I think bringing back the AURA voice with its metallic edge would be a step in the right direction.
The big thing, though, is that the intro still doesn't tell a story, even with the racial intro videos.
an intro movie is all about impact, about grabbing the player's attention. "you are about to become what all men should fear" is a DAMN good line, but the video needs to think like a cricketer or golfer, and follow through.
So I'd definitely recommend some more backstory exposition, and some different music. That sinister stuff definitely detracts from it all.
I know this is likely to read as a little amateurish, but here's an example of how I think the video could be improved.
"You are about to become what all men should fear. You have been chosen to join a young and fractured caste of demigods. Unlike most in this war-torn world, you are granted the power to truly shape the future - for you are immortal. You have all of eternity to sieze a destiny that is yours to define.
Your pursuit of power will not be unopposed, however - you are not the only one to stalk the heavens, and your fellow pilots are no less driven to succeed.... or to rule.
It is this hunger for power and control that has driven mankind throughout the ages. From homeworld to the stars, superpowers jostled for supremacy, and the universe provided them with the tools of success.
One such tool was the wormhole - a portal through which Mankind passed, emerging to find a new and untapped realm of rich resources to exploit. When the wormhole collapsed, the flame of mankind that had been carried to this New Eden flickered... but did not die.
Now, Mankind struggles against itself, as it always has. Four great nations have risen to vie for dominance in New Eden. The righteous Amarr, faithful and fervent. The democratic Gallente, liberal and passionate. The tribal Minmatar, defiant and free. The ruthless Caldari, united and driven.
The wars and alliances between these strong peoples have given rise to you, pilot. The power of armies rests at your command, the wealth of nations is yours to amass. If you die, you will be cloned back to life. But if you triumph, then there are no limits to the wealth and power you may amass. There are many roads to glory, and all of them are there to be trodden... but only by the bold.
Dare to be bold, pilot. Forge your own path to greatness."
imagine that set to the music of the original video. Keep the starship flight stuff from the new movie, and you have the best of both worlds, I think
Just my suggestion. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.16 21:40:00 -
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CCP, I like the new intro. I really do. it's much better as far as an intro goes. but your not priming the player for the story anymore.
even if you go into detail about the races, you LEAVING OUT THE BACKSTORY.
unless a dev can tell me how they invision new players learning of the eve gate and all that jazz, I won't be happy, and I know I'm just a player,
but I think I speak of all of us roleplayers when I say "we like the backstory of the eve universe, we think it's important"
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.16 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher stuff
This would be a much better introduction than the current one, take this and add a little more racial fluff to the videos in the character creation process and it would be a good introduction. Maybe CCP can also integrate a library function ingame in coming expansions that can help players acclimate themselves to the story instead of scouring the website for backstory.
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Dwaggysnaxx
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.16 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Dwaggysnaxx on 16/02/2009 22:08:07
I think the new video is a good start, but it needs to tone down the "you are a fwiggin godbeast(now go mine veldspar in your ibis)" and maybe emphasize the teamwork aspect of eve.
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Ni'Kuth
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Posted - 2009.02.16 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Ni''Kuth on 16/02/2009 23:19:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ67FNLz8zI
What would have been wrong with making a new intro based on this old gem ?
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.16 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher Better copy
I think this strikes a better balance than what we have currently. It sprinkles backstory into the introduction without going too far; there is always more for the player to explore later. The true setting is introduced, and that's what was necessary. One thing that I think is missing is a passing reference to civilizations of old being forgotten, but it's a good draft.
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skye orionis
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Posted - 2009.02.17 00:01:00 -
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OK I'm not on the test server, and I don't really have an opinion one way or another about the new intro.
But one thing that I've realised is that the character selection and creation system lets players build a portrait, and see their skills, but it doesn't give them any idea of what the ships they'll be flying are like. And I'd imagine that's pretty important for new players, so I'd hope the racial movies will present some of this to the new users.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.17 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Stitcher Better copy
I think this strikes a better balance than what we have currently. It sprinkles backstory into the introduction without going too far; there is always more for the player to explore later. The true setting is introduced, and that's what was necessary. One thing that I think is missing is a passing reference to civilizations of old being forgotten, but it's a good draft.
I'm compelled to agree with what these two said to be honest.
The visuals are pretty, but there does need to be more depth to the introduction to New Eden.
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Zex Maxwell
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.17 01:22:00 -
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All i ask is: Please post the old video on evelopeda so we can have it as a point of view in history. ---
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Disteeler
Segunda Fundacion Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.17 09:39:00 -
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The video is cool (except the rehashed footage). The voice acting is perfect!
What I can't understand is how this video is put in the place of the actual intro. Both give different information, can't be swapped! the actual intro is key to understand not only who you are but also where you come from!
I think the new intro is too much driven by marketing guys
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Jek Tar'qul
Gallente IsilZheHa Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.17 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jek Tar'qul Personal attack removed. Navigator
oops, got a little too personal...
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2009.02.17 10:16:00 -
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I have to say I don't have much against the new intro except one thing. It doesn't say much about the origin of it all, the EVE gate, etc... It just says: you are powerful, immortal, and have to struggle. While it is good stuff overall, you might want to know who you are, and where you come from.
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Mrs Snowman
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Posted - 2009.02.17 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: skye orionis
But one thing that I've realized is that the character selection and creation system lets players build a portrait, and see their skills, but it doesn't give them any idea of what the ships they'll be flying are like.
yes, thats because every character coming out of the new character generation will be virtually identical and start off with next to no skills. I think CCP are trying to remove the idea certain races fly certain ships, and are trying to encourage a culture of fly whatever you want to fly from the get go.
After all you get no bonus's for being a galente flying a galente ship, so it doesnt really matter.
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.17 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Carniflex on 17/02/2009 19:37:41 Went over intro and char creation. Not too bad, however as pointed out above it would be cool if on char creation there would be more 'stuff' about race. Most of it can be optional and if one does not like to pack it into client then hell, nowdays one can more or less reliably even stream the video over the net. So pack the initial video into client and add some optional additonal small race trailers that are either also present or would be streamed. It should be actual low res video ofc, as racial sign in there just seems like a placeholder for more cool stuff.
I would especially like racial 'recruitment' videos as optional content on new char creation - you know - something like in starship troopers, ofc in relevant race flavour. Like Amarr showing holy paladins on parade and talking about infidels, gallente about democracy and freedom, minmatar dunno perhaps short video about special ops liberating some slaves and caldary would prolly be something quite similar to starship troopers about citizens and duty and stuff.
As you guys already have something working in walking in stations engine it should not be major problem getting some low res 'video' about racial troops on parade or something like that.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.18 19:17:00 -
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I just wanted to propose an alternative intro idea that might help glue both the old and new concepts together. Originally I put this in a separate thread, but it was suggested I should just add it to this; apologies for those viewing it a second time.
In essence it splits the intro into before and after character creation, giving a different spin on the back story & who you are. Dialogue in brackets () is intended to be visual effects. If you're the impatient type, skip to the second post to see the 'cool' idea.
The dialogue is intended to be an example rather than exact copy; I don't write for a living. However I hope it conveys the general gist of what I'm trying to propose.
Intro:
(Opening shot of Earth)
"Legend tells of a planet called Earth where our species began - where we first took to the stars and expanded throughout our home galaxy. The discovery of a natural wormhole (shot of the EVE gate) led to the colonisation of the galaxy known as New Eden, the place we now call home, the galaxy now known simply as EVE. (Fading shot of the galactic map?).
The colonists dreamt of recreating the technological paradise from which they had come, but it was not meant to be. Just as they were on the brink of establishing new human civilisations, the wormhole collapsed. Without aid from home, the colonies sank into a dark age, from which few records remain.
Over centuries, humanity pulled itself back from the brink, and five civilisations arose. The Amarr (shot of Amarr fleet), the Caldari (shot of Caldari fleet), the Gallente (Gallente fleet), the Minmatar (Minmatar fleet), and the enigmatic Jove (shot of a Wraith decloaking). As they returned to space, bloody wars were fought, borders established, and a shaky peace beneath a central body known as CONCORD was established (shot of CONCORD ships).
The empires are not alone in New Eden. Independents like you (shot of various random ships moving at a gate), rogue artificial intelligences (shot of a rogue drone hive), pirate factions (pirates ships), and other more mysterious entities inhabit the darker spacelanes. It is a world of ruthless cunning, of opportunity and competition (shots of markets), of vast industry (shots of mining barges near a POS) and vaster conflicts (guess what to show here). Out in the vastness of space, there are no rules but your own. (Fade to black with a shot of the stars)"
Character Creation:
Racial videos with shots of ships, and brief mentions of key moments in the race's history. First into space, enslaving races, Battle of Vak'Atioth and Matar rebellion for the Amarr, Gallente-Caldari war for Gallente, Caldari splitting from Gallente etc. Give the player a sense of why they should pick a given race now that it makes no real odds beyond looks, backstory, and whether you want to get into PIE/CVA.
I considered expanding on this and actually writing some dialogue, but since the new build with these in is currently downloading, I'd want to see what's in first
Continued next post for the more fun and cool bit I think is missing... ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.18 19:22:00 -
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After Character Creation as you enter the game for the first time:
"(Rotating view around the pod, the words Made by Ishukone stenciled on one side, in station applicable to starting race) Welcome pilot. You are about to become that which all people should fear. Out of the teeming billions in the Empires, only an elite few like yourself are gifted with the right aptitude, genetics and training to be a capsuleer. Providing virtual immortality through cloning, your neural implants allow control of pods. Originally given to the Caldari by the Jove, the pods now available throughout the galaxy allow you superior control of a spaceship and its crew.
(The pod is gripped by an arm and the view pans back to watch the pod fitted to a starter ship of correct race, onlookers and technicians giving scale as your ship is prepared)
With training, a single capsuleer ship is the equal of many normal ships, but you are not alone in this gift. Many thousands of capsuleers from all four races frequent the stars. Immortal, viewed as demi-gods by the masses, they have no allegiances but the ones they choose. Shifting politics, ruthless adversaries with no fear of death; this is a cold universe, a place to watch your step - but it is the time of the independents, pilot; it is your time. Your destiny is your own."
So to check off the backstory it's dropped hints of: From Earth. EVE Gate & collapse. Rise of civilisations as they are today. Creation of CONCORD. Rogue Drones. Ishukone getting pods. Gallente-Caldari war & other equivalent events for the other races.
To cover the newer style of saying how great you are: It's shown why you're in a pod. Who you are. What you can achieve if you set your mind to it. That there are others out there with the same opportunities as you. That EVE is a world with consequences. That we're demi-gods to the masses, immortal.
Plus what I think would make a great opening video. Oh and I corrected the term from the current new intro from 'all men should fear' to 'all people should fear' .
What d'yall think? ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.18 19:53:00 -
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It might be in the sense of "overworked", but I kinda like it. The dialogue needs some work tbh, but the essence of the idea is quite good. ----- Why doesn't anyone ever read the forums before posting?
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Faraelle Brightman
Gallente Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2009.02.18 19:58:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth stuff
I think a lot of people actualy like the fact that the "Earth" part of the history is downplayed; it happened so long ago in Eve time that it's barely recognizable myth.
Also, the 2/18 Sisi build includes the (more) finished versions of the race videos; I think that fills in the background hole a lot. -----------------------
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Lost Hamster
Serenity and Hungarian Operational Team
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Posted - 2009.02.18 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Faraelle Brightman ... Also, the 2/18 Sisi build includes the (more) finished versions of the race videos; I think that fills in the background hole a lot.
Indeed, but still the background story is nowhere. The very first time when I played the game, the original introduction move was really something, what give the game a background. Something to start with. How they come here. What are they doing there. I think it's a really an important part of this game which have so many written back stories.
I event went to the EvE-Gate to look at it. Without this background info I doubt that I would ever went there.
In this new introduction video there is nothing. It's just Marketing, and a really bad one. --> Marketing -2 (Rank 3)
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.18 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 18/02/2009 20:55:44 Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 18/02/2009 20:54:16
Originally by: Faraelle Brightman I think a lot of people actualy like the fact that the "Earth" part of the history is downplayed; it happened so long ago in Eve time that it's barely recognizable myth.
Agreed that it's myth which is why I used the phrase 'legend tells' - however I think you have to have grounding in that it's Earth and supposed to be a sci-fi universe vs a sci-fantasy universe, no matter how small.
After all, without it, it's just 'bunch of humans in space, can be Star Wars, or Starcraft, or <insert your favourite made-up universe here>' and we lose grounding in any form of realism. Without a link to a notion of Earth, one could as easily argue (and hopefully lose and be ignored) that introducing Orcs is no more unrealistic than as it is done in Warhammer 40K, which also has a bunch of humans in space.
Small point to argue over, I know, but I think it's got a certain merit. Anyway as I said, the exact dialogue can be played with, and I don't expect CCP to listen to the precise concept as I listed it anyway.
Edit: I rather like knowing where we came from as EVE players. It adds to the mythos, the search for abandoned Terran technology (like in the novel) and so on. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Verys
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.18 21:02:00 -
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Although I do like the new intro movie in apochrypa I must say the 2d drawn style of the old one has much more appeal (i really wish i could draw like that) and the explanation of the way how new eden came to place is a really good story. The only thing missing out of (the old one) it is the events leading up to pod pilots and how they came to exist (also no jove).
But all these things (the backstory, which I trully like) have been moved towards the background and are apparently not important in the new intro movie. It's sad to see this go.
What i would like to see is a blend of old and new in the form of the history all in 2d and then leading up to the space we live in (imagine a 2d picture of say a rifter in 2d comming alive in 3d) and the part starting about what you can achieve. Now that for me would be the ultimate intro movie.
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SerialTurd
Ardent Industrial Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.18 21:11:00 -
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I like the original intro better. This intro seems more like the trailers released for the expansion than an intro... as a matter of fact that's all it seems like is a trailer.
I loved the story behind eve and even after 3 years of playing find myself from time to time rewatching the intro just cause it was a cool intro. I understand the desire to change it with the new expansion having a big part of it geared for n00bs and all but without a backstory (and eve has LOTS of story to it), it kind of dulls the game a sense of what really is out there.
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