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Highspeedlimo
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Posted - 2009.02.14 02:04:00 -
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I know a player that buys isk and as much as I would love to report him for it I cant. I dont have any proof! what am I to do?
-a little angry
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 02:06:00 -
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Petition it. You may not have proof but the GMs can access far more data than you can.
Corp killboard
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oodin
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.14 02:40:00 -
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how can you KNOW without PROOF?? unless hes a rl friend of yours and your not a little ANGRY but more like very JEALOUS. |
Quake Abuse
Amarr North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.14 02:47:00 -
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petition it and the GM's will look into it, I've done it before and the GM's investigated it and banned the guy (for a while anyway)
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Lithalnas
Amarr Headcrabs
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Posted - 2009.02.14 03:27:00 -
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i usually go by the rule of three
1) relatively new player 2) has a ridiculous amount of contracts accepted 3) fits like a noob
if he satifies those 3 he probably bought isk, if he traded in jita for it he should know how to fit better.
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Lee Scoresby
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Posted - 2009.02.14 05:34:00 -
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I don't know much about the ISK-buying issue, and one thing I wonder is why so many players take objection to it. Why CCP is against it is axiomatic. They make a lot of money from GTC sales, and the ISK "black market" takes a cut directly from their profits. But what do players stand to gain by going after ISK buyers/sellers? Are they incredibly loyal to CCP? Is reporting people for buying/selling ISK a form of PvP? I know EVE has a lot of them. Does buying ISK directly from other players adversely affect the prices for buying ISK legitimately?
I'm honestly curious.
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SuefromAdultServices
30.oz
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Posted - 2009.02.14 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Scoresby Edited by: Lee Scoresby on 14/02/2009 05:35:56 I don't know much about the ISK-buying issue, and one thing I wonder is why so many players take objection to it. Why CCP is against it is axiomatic. They make a lot of money from GTC sales, and the ISK "black market" cuts directly into their profits. But what do players stand to gain by going after ISK buyers/sellers? Are they incredibly loyal to CCP? Is reporting people for buying/selling ISK a kind of PvP? I know EVE has many forms. Does buying ISK directly from other players adversely affect the prices for buying ISK legitimately?
I'm honestly curious.
I myself have pondered this morale dilema....
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Mickey Simon
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Scoresby Edited by: Lee Scoresby on 14/02/2009 05:35:56 I don't know much about the ISK-buying issue, and one thing I wonder is why so many players take objection to it. Why CCP is against it is axiomatic. They make a lot of money from GTC sales, and the ISK "black market" cuts directly into their profits. But what do players stand to gain by going after ISK buyers/sellers? Are they incredibly loyal to CCP? Is reporting people for buying/selling ISK a kind of PvP? I know EVE has many forms. Does buying ISK directly from other players adversely affect the prices for buying ISK legitimately?
I'm honestly curious.
I believe the OP means buying ISK, as opposed to buying a GTC and trading it for ISK. One is acceptable, the other is not. |
flakeys
Tier 3 Technologies Inc Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2009.02.14 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: SuefromAdultServices
Originally by: Lee Scoresby Edited by: Lee Scoresby on 14/02/2009 05:35:56 I don't know much about the ISK-buying issue, and one thing I wonder is why so many players take objection to it. Why CCP is against it is axiomatic. They make a lot of money from GTC sales, and the ISK "black market" cuts directly into their profits. But what do players stand to gain by going after ISK buyers/sellers? Are they incredibly loyal to CCP? Is reporting people for buying/selling ISK a kind of PvP? I know EVE has many forms. Does buying ISK directly from other players adversely affect the prices for buying ISK legitimately?
I'm honestly curious.
I myself have pondered this morale dilema....
Same here
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Leiara Knight
Gallente The Oblivion Guard
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Posted - 2009.02.14 10:01:00 -
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Mother doesn't think you're good enough.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 10:03:00 -
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It causes deflation, eventually ingame currency is worth nothing and economy collapses. I.e. same reason governments just doesn't print more bills when they need money.
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Hairtrigger
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.14 11:08:00 -
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there a word for people who go runnin to the authoritys with the intention of puttin someone in the s*it.
and id bet you say hi to this guy everyday and you would still stab him in the back.and then say sorry when he gets banned.
you gonna tell him it was you!? didnt think so
nice person.
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Scott Ryder
Amarr Dark Skullz Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.14 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Hairtrigger there a word for people who go runnin to the authoritys with the intention of puttin someone in the s*it.
and id bet you say hi to this guy everyday and you would still stab him in the back.and then say sorry when he gets banned.
you gonna tell him it was you!? didnt think so
nice person.
And meanwhile in the long run isk buyers are ruining eve over time. I would petition everyone of my friends if i knew they bought isk.
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Hairtrigger
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.14 11:34:00 -
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well, if any1 that thinks this guy above is their friend, id think twice.
Friends dont s*it on each other
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eC Cade
Caldari Stargate SG-1 Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.02.14 11:38:00 -
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Petition a friend ? Only people without selfrespect can do that. Ah-Hoi! |
Eva midgard
Caldari the undivided Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 11:55:00 -
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ratting on ur friends is the lowest of the low you sir are no better than a rapist
i'm all for isk buyers being punished but i have heard of players being banned and such for buying a char on the fourms that had bought isk in the past and what if u scam a guy that has bought isk or even an isk farmer should you lose the money ??? |
Shaloran Kalior
Gallente The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2009.02.14 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Eva midgard ratting on ur friends is the lowest of the low you sir are no better than a rapist
You're an idiot. Reporting a "friend" who breaks a rule is equivalent to ****? Get some perspective and try to stop being a moron in future
Originally by: eva midgard i'm all for isk buyers being punished but i have heard of players being banned and such for buying a char on the fourms that had bought isk in the past and what if u scam a guy that has bought isk or even an isk farmer should you lose the money ???
And if you read past the rhetoric and stopped accepting whine posts at face value you'll note that in virtually every case where the receiver has been innocent, they have been unbanned and had all isk restored. The cases where they havent, they have been set back to what they had before, not penalised. Post with your main! |
Eva midgard
Caldari the undivided Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shaloran Kalior
Originally by: Eva midgard ratting on ur friends is the lowest of the low you sir are no better than a rapist
You're an idiot. Reporting a "friend" who breaks a rule is equivalent to ****? Get some perspective and try to stop being a moron in future
Originally by: eva midgard i'm all for isk buyers being punished but i have heard of players being banned and such for buying a char on the fourms that had bought isk in the past and what if u scam a guy that has bought isk or even an isk farmer should you lose the money ???
And if you read past the rhetoric and stopped accepting whine posts at face value you'll note that in virtually every case where the receiver has been innocent, they have been unbanned and had all isk restored. The cases where they havent, they have been set back to what they had before, not penalised.
FU DIK
but really MY VIEW is that they are compareable and i have a right to my view.
and its u thats the moron my sig clearly states who my main is, and its banned from the fourms atm so maybe read b4 u post crap
and only thing i thank you for is letting me know that ccp are being fair in these cases however i play the game more than i troll fourms and btw u suk at flaming MORON RIVUR'TAMS alt
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Gonada
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.14 13:17:00 -
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or: could be a bought char who has made an alt..
either way, your slime unless you have proof.
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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:40:00 -
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I am quite sure that the op dont read this thread anymore thus fails to report the isk byoyer
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Lee Scoresby
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mickey Simon
Originally by: Lee Scoresby Edited by: Lee Scoresby on 14/02/2009 05:35:56 I don't know much about the ISK-buying issue, and one thing I wonder is why so many players take objection to it. Why CCP is against it is axiomatic. They make a lot of money from GTC sales, and the ISK "black market" cuts directly into their profits. But what do players stand to gain by going after ISK buyers/sellers? Are they incredibly loyal to CCP? Is reporting people for buying/selling ISK a kind of PvP? I know EVE has many forms. Does buying ISK directly from other players adversely affect the prices for buying ISK legitimately?
I'm honestly curious.
I believe the OP means buying ISK, as opposed to buying a GTC and trading it for ISK. One is acceptable, the other is not.
I do understand that much. My question is, why are so many players so hostile to the illegitimate ISK trade? I can clearly see from CCP's standpoint the distinction between buying ISK directly and doing it through GTCs. I'm wondering what the distinction is for players, and why in this particular case they are so eager to enforce CCP's EULA.
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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.02.14 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Scoresby
Originally by: Mickey Simon
Originally by: Lee Scoresby Edited by: Lee Scoresby on 14/02/2009 05:35:56 I don't know much about the ISK-buying issue, and one thing I wonder is why so many players take objection to it.
You bought ISK?
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Scoresby I do understand that much. My question is, why are so many players so hostile to the illegitimate ISK trade? I can clearly see from CCP's standpoint the distinction between buying ISK directly and doing it through GTCs. I'm wondering what the distinction is for players, and why in this particular case they are so eager to enforce CCP's EULA.
Originally by: Misanth It causes deflation, eventually ingame currency is worth nothing and economy collapses. I.e. same reason governments just doesn't print more bills when they need money.
Already got the answer there mister.. in the long run it kills the game. Imagine if everyone in EVE was trillionares. Noone could buy anything, minerals would be worth nothing either, so we would all have to resort to mining (as we had nothing to trade to miners of value either). Guess how fun it would be. Everyone goes carebear.. PvP would be even more scarse, ship losses immensely valuable in manhours, etc.
Kill off the economy and you kill off a game. Every MMO since the very early ones 10year+ ago has struggled with that particular aspect.
Trust me on this one; If MMO companies could find a good moral ground for letting players buy isk, they would sell them isk themselves, if that meant they won customers and the game functioned as it should. They don't want to ban iskselling besed on some moral code. It's because it's a major threat to game existance as a whole.
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Lee Scoresby
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Posted - 2009.02.14 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Lee Scoresby I do understand that much. My question is, why are so many players so hostile to the illegitimate ISK trade? I can clearly see from CCP's standpoint the distinction between buying ISK directly and doing it through GTCs. I'm wondering what the distinction is for players, and why in this particular case they are so eager to enforce CCP's EULA.
Originally by: Misanth It causes deflation, eventually ingame currency is worth nothing and economy collapses. I.e. same reason governments just doesn't print more bills when they need money.
Already got the answer there mister.. in the long run it kills the game. Imagine if everyone in EVE was trillionares. Noone could buy anything, minerals would be worth nothing either, so we would all have to resort to mining (as we had nothing to trade to miners of value either). Guess how fun it would be. Everyone goes carebear.. PvP would be even more scarse, ship losses immensely valuable in manhours, etc.
Kill off the economy and you kill off a game. Every MMO since the very early ones 10year+ ago has struggled with that particular aspect.
Trust me on this one; If MMO companies could find a good moral ground for letting players buy isk, they would sell them isk themselves, if that meant they won customers and the game functioned as it should. They don't want to ban iskselling besed on some moral code. It's because it's a major threat to game existance as a whole.
My apologies, I don't know how I missed your post(twice, no less). I think the term for this case is inflation, not deflation, but otherwise what you say makes sense.
The thing is, CCP already sells ISK indirectly through GTCs. It's not quite the same as selling ISK directly, but in both cases, real money changes hands, followed ultimately by ISK changing hands. The only significant functional difference I can see is that the GTC system is engineered so the real money goes to CCP.
Does CCP's regulation of legitimate ISK trading through GTCs eliminate the detrimental effects that unregulated trading would have on the game's economy?
Am I completely off base and totally misunderstanding the situation?
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Scoresby My apologies, I don't know how I missed your post(twice, no less). I think the term for this case is inflation, not deflation, but otherwise what you say makes sense.
The thing is, CCP already sells ISK indirectly through GTCs. It's not quite the same as selling ISK directly, but in both cases, real money changes hands, followed ultimately by ISK changing hands. The only significant functional difference I can see is that the GTC system is engineered so the real money goes to CCP.
Does CCP's regulation of legitimate ISK trading through GTCs eliminate the detrimental effects that unregulated trading would have on the game's economy?
Am I completely off base and totally misunderstanding the situation?
There's two benefits (for CCP) for having the 'GTC for isk' option (RMT - real money trading, I think is the correct term). 1) The market is limited. You can't sell more GTC than there is buyers, so you can't buy infinate isk. Supply/demand. If market is flooded with GTC's, they'll drop to no value and players will play for free. Ouch. 2) It affects the market for macro/isk farmers. They'll have to step up, farm harder and sell isk 'cheaper' than they otherwise would, making it possibly more profitable to do in another game.
All in all, GTC to isk doesn't eliminate the effects isk selling has on the market. It's pretty obvious there is alot of "players" who mine ice or run courier missions, players who never interact with anyone. Where all that isk goes, only CCP know for sure. Both those things affect the market, ice prices are low, LP isn't worth much as it is either (200-300mil faction battleships who cost 600mil + LP to buy non-bpc?, I believe, around those figures).
The iskselling hasn't crashed the market tho, it has happened in other games. I'm pretty sure EVE would be really vulnerable to such things as this game live and breath from the market/industrial sector. Without carebears there's no PvP. Without a profit from carebearing there's no carebears.
Bit simplified, but should cover the basic ideas.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.02.14 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Scoresby Edited by: Lee Scoresby on 14/02/2009 05:35:56 I don't know much about the ISK-buying issue, and one thing I wonder is why so many players take objection to it. Why CCP is against it is axiomatic. They make a lot of money from GTC sales, and the ISK "black market" cuts directly into their profits. But what do players stand to gain by going after ISK buyers/sellers? Are they incredibly loyal to CCP? Is reporting people for buying/selling ISK a kind of PvP? I know EVE has many forms. Does buying ISK directly from other players adversely affect the prices for buying ISK legitimately?
I'm honestly curious.
Well, check out Ingunn for a laugh and see how great and unaffected that area is.
They aren't Joe Mission runner getting his EVE on for free, I'll tell you that much. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Rayban Aviator
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Posted - 2009.02.14 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Highspeedlimo Today i got ****ed of at a player of Eve who made players of the game embarassed to play it. He was not only a jerk in the game but a jerk in RL His name for he sake of this convo will be VH (initials of his real name), so... this what i did. First a good friend of mine who has an acount that VH ownes (one of 11 acounts) and gave me the password and username because VH gave the acount to him. I went on and tried to get his corp to revolt against him, when that didnt work i booted all the people out of it that were against me. Then I contacted the CEO of the corp he was at war and said "hey the sound of our station at (enter secret location here) turning off sounds so.. cool." They come on over and completely pwn the place.... Should i feel bad at all? or should I be proud? That I took out a kid who spent alot of money BUYING ISK so he could be the best and biggest jerk that ever flew in Eve.
-Highspeedlimo
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Shaloran Kalior
Gallente The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2009.02.15 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Eva midgard
Originally by: Shaloran Kalior
Originally by: Eva midgard ratting on ur friends is the lowest of the low you sir are no better than a rapist
You're an idiot. Reporting a "friend" who breaks a rule is equivalent to ****? Get some perspective and try to stop being a moron in future
Originally by: eva midgard i'm all for isk buyers being punished but i have heard of players being banned and such for buying a char on the fourms that had bought isk in the past and what if u scam a guy that has bought isk or even an isk farmer should you lose the money ???
And if you read past the rhetoric and stopped accepting whine posts at face value you'll note that in virtually every case where the receiver has been innocent, they have been unbanned and had all isk restored. The cases where they havent, they have been set back to what they had before, not penalised.
FU DIK
but really MY VIEW is that they are compareable and i have a right to my view.
and its u thats the moron my sig clearly states who my main is, and its banned from the fourms atm so maybe read b4 u post crap
and only thing i thank you for is letting me know that ccp are being fair in these cases however i play the game more than i troll fourms and btw u suk at flaming MORON
Illiterate rambling? Check Inability to recognise a signature? Check Holding views a child would scoff at? Check Record of forum bans? Check
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Leilani Solaris
Gallente Atomic Battle Penguins The Darwin Award Foundation
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Posted - 2009.02.15 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: eC Cade Petition a friend ? Only people without selfrespect can do that.
Or ones with a really good safespot.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.16 00:08:00 -
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I'm in a bit late but there is a huge difference between selling GTCs and RMT.
Both effectively give you ISK for cash, so by looking at what a noob character has and how bad he fits isn't always a good way to determine it. Some people think its like wow where the person with the most money wins, fortunately for us it isnt.
Selling GTCs is 'safe'. As in you wont loose your real life money. You can still be ripped off in game, but that's your own fault for not reading the contract properly, plus it doesn't happen very often.
RMT isn't safe. Buying isk off some random guy who demands cash up front has absolutely no protection. It works exactly like the in game scams, except that instead of taking your 50M isk and loling at you while you try and hopelessly petition, oh look at that they took $5K from your bank account.
CCP make it against the rules to cover their asses (and im sure to help the stupid players not loose their houses). You got ripped of trying to buy ISK for real money? They scammed you? Well its against the EULA so your out of the game. Your the one that broke the rules, so your the one that pays.
First one is fine (although many think its morally questionable) and the second one is petitionable. If you know its the last one, petition away without proof and someone will look in to it. NOT a kublai alt. Honest! |
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