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Loka xDD
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Posted - 2009.02.14 13:20:00 -
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This last patch is scaring me...
Why every patch CCP is making Eve more dumbier? I mean, easier tutorials, align button, now way too easy scanning with probes system, nano nerf, and others stuffs... Whats next? Auto-fitting window? Guns with no tracking? "ShootDistance" in weapon showinfo because peoples cant do math(Optimal+Falloff)?
Is Eve trying to be like WoW? I like Eve because of its community, and it having a harder gameplay filter reta**** kids away, so they go play something else with elfs and gnomes...
Also, I tried lots of MMORPGs out there, and only Eve was a challenge to learn how to play, and theres always stuffs to learn, thats why I still playing it now..
Eve needs more stuffs for advanced players, probing was, (I think), not everyone knew how to warp around creating SS right in the edge of the 4au of the others probes, or how to use the different(ALOT) kinda of probes... Now a 1day player can learn how to scan stuffs with this new probing system... whys that???
Soo, please CCP, dont make Eve a stupid game where even my cat can play it.... Just my opinion... |
Amerilia
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Posted - 2009.02.14 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Amerilia on 14/02/2009 13:25:34
Originally by: Loka xDD This last patch is scaring me...
Why every patch CCP is making Eve more dumbier? I mean, easier tutorials, align button, now way too easy scanning with probes system, nano nerf, and others stuffs... Whats next? Auto-fitting window? Guns with no tracking? "ShootDistance" in weapon showinfo because peoples cant do math(Optimal+Falloff)?
Is Eve trying to be like WoW? I like Eve because of its community, and it having a harder gameplay filter reta**** kids away, so they go play something else with elfs and gnomes...
Also, I tried lots of MMORPGs out there, and only Eve was a challenge to learn how to play, and theres always stuffs to learn, thats why I still playing it now..
Eve needs more stuffs for advanced players, probing was, (I think), not everyone knew how to warp around creating SS right in the edge of the 4au of the others probes, or how to use the different(ALOT) kinda of probes... Now a 1day player can learn how to scan stuffs with this new probing system... whys that???
Soo, please CCP, dont make Eve a stupid game where even my cat can play it.... Just my opinion...
They dont care who plays the game, as long as as many people play it as possible. And I am sure with all the newbies, plex prices will fall, because they want money fast. |
Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.14 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/02/2009 13:28:58
Originally by: Loka xDD This last patch is scaring me...
Why every patch CCP is making Eve more dumbier? I mean, easier tutorials, align button, now way too easy scanning with probes system, nano nerf, and others stuffs... Whats next? Auto-fitting window? Guns with no tracking? "ShootDistance" in weapon showinfo because peoples cant do math(Optimal+Falloff)?
Is Eve trying to be like WoW? I like Eve because of its community, and it having a harder gameplay filter reta**** kids away, so they go play something else with elfs and gnomes...
Also, I tried lots of MMORPGs out there, and only Eve was a challenge to learn how to play, and theres always stuffs to learn, thats why I still playing it now..
Eve needs more stuffs for advanced players, probing was, (I think), not everyone knew how to warp around creating SS right in the edge of the 4au of the others probes, or how to use the different(ALOT) kinda of probes... Now a 1day player can learn how to scan stuffs with this new probing system... whys that???
Soo, please CCP, dont make Eve a stupid game where even my cat can play it.... Just my opinion...
Do you still drive a car with Makeshift Transmission? You know, where you have two gearsticks. Do you also use a manual crank to start your car or get someone to manually start the propellers whenever you take a flight on a plane? Does your train jounrey involve you filling the engine with coal?
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Loka xDD now way too easy scanning with probes system
Yes because having to pinpoint someone with a multi-stage triangulation process is much dumber than what we have now
*click* *goes AFK to make coffee* *oh look there it is!*
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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.02.14 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Do you still drive a car with Makeshift Transmission? You know, where you have two gearsticks. Do you also use a manual crank to start your car or get someone to manually start the propellers whenever you take a flight on a plane? Does your train jounrey involve you filling the engine with coal?
Who ever thought I'd wholeheartedly agree with a BoB person! -
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Aurora Nyx
Caldari Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.14 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Loka xDD
Why every patch CCP is making Eve more dumbier?
I really hope the use of "dumbier" is a deliberate attempt at irony.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.14 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Loka xDD Whats next? Auto-fitting window?
You heard it here first! There is an auto fitting function to the fitting window now. Save your ships current setup and next time you have a fresh ship to fit just select the saved profile and it will take them mods and all charges and fit them in about 2 seconds! Total win feature tbh.
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
Bethulsunamen
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.14 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Loka xDD This last patch is scaring me...
Why every patch CCP is making Eve more dumbier? I mean, easier tutorials, align button, now way too easy scanning with probes system, nano nerf, and others stuffs... Whats next? Auto-fitting window? Guns with no tracking? "ShootDistance" in weapon showinfo because peoples cant do math(Optimal+Falloff)?
Is Eve trying to be like WoW? I like Eve because of its community, and it having a harder gameplay filter reta**** kids away, so they go play something else with elfs and gnomes...
Also, I tried lots of MMORPGs out there, and only Eve was a challenge to learn how to play, and theres always stuffs to learn, thats why I still playing it now..
Eve needs more stuffs for advanced players, probing was, (I think), not everyone knew how to warp around creating SS right in the edge of the 4au of the others probes, or how to use the different(ALOT) kinda of probes... Now a 1day player can learn how to scan stuffs with this new probing system... whys that???
Soo, please CCP, dont make Eve a stupid game where even my cat can play it.... Just my opinion...
Whinethread, give me back my lost 15sec.
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TimMc
Gallente Extradition
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Posted - 2009.02.14 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Aurora Nyx
Originally by: Loka xDD
Why every patch CCP is making Eve more dumbier?
I really hope the use of "dumbier" is a deliberate attempt at irony.
This.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:00:00 -
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See, now here's the thing. In EVE, like in real-life, there's predators, and there's prey. When most of the game is full of predators, and the prey is so unhappy that it leaves, nobody's really happy. With slightly easier entry-level difficulty, the quantity and quality of prey increases, so predators can also thrive.
_ Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
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Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:03:00 -
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My fav part of the troll was when nanos was implied to be intelligent pvp, and nurfing them encouraged stupider people to play.
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Chatea
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Loka xDD This last patch is scaring me...
Why every patch CCP is making Eve more dumbier?
I stopped reading there, a fictional word along with your "elfs"
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Taylor timenenzi
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Loka xDD Whats next? Auto-fitting window?
You heard it here first! There is an auto fitting function to the fitting window now. Save your ships current setup and next time you have a fresh ship to fit just select the saved profile and it will take them mods and all charges and fit them in about 2 seconds! Total win feature tbh.
Oh man about time. Thank our lords and creators at CCP.
OP if your going to post on a english forum about something being stupid, run your post thru a grammer/spell checker first.
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Adam Iota
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:04:00 -
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wut u say? |
Lil Mina
Parabellum.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Loka xDD This last patch is scaring me...
Why every patch CCP is making Eve more dumbier?
yeah man, I SO see your point.
Originally by: CCP Atropos
I could give you my stuff, but without the Polaris skill to fly the ships, they're kinda useless
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KiaTader
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: KiaTader on 14/02/2009 14:12:57
Originally by: Loka xDD This last patch is scaring me...
Why every patch CCP is making Eve more dumbier?
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Feilamya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:19:00 -
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I totally agree with the OP. EVE gets dumbier and dumbier. Next, CCP might add a spelling and grammar checker to the forum...
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Azzatu
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:22:00 -
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what bothers me is the new intro movie Theres no backstory :( That really got me immersed in the game, I was hungry to know more about the story and looked up the chronicles and scientific articles etc. It feels dumbed down for the casual gamer in the same way games get dumbed down for consoles.
Its not the same... My sig will be dealt with. |
Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Loka xDD now way too easy scanning with probes system
Yes because having to pinpoint someone with a multi-stage triangulation process is much dumber than what we have now
*click* *goes AFK to make coffee* *oh look there it is!*
I'm going to say that RAWR Cristina never scanned for hostile pilots in her sector. I will also go as far as to say that shim doesn't even know what a recon launcher does for scan times. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN |
Andrest Disch
Amarr Letiferi Praedones
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Loka xDD Whats next? Auto-fitting window?
I laughed, because they're introducing a "load setup" option with the new fitting mangaer, and one of the options is that you can save a fitting as "Corporation".
It doesn't work yet, but it's there. |
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Evocationz
Amarr Terra Nostra
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Loka xDD This last patch is scaring me...
Why every patch CCP is making Eve more dumbier? I mean, easier tutorials, align button, now way too easy scanning with probes system, nano nerf, and others stuffs... Whats next? Auto-fitting window? Guns with no tracking? "ShootDistance" in weapon showinfo because peoples cant do math(Optimal+Falloff)?
Is Eve trying to be like WoW? I like Eve because of its community, and it having a harder gameplay filter reta**** kids away, so they go play something else with elfs and gnomes...
Also, I tried lots of MMORPGs out there, and only Eve was a challenge to learn how to play, and theres always stuffs to learn, thats why I still playing it now..
Eve needs more stuffs for advanced players, probing was, (I think), not everyone knew how to warp around creating SS right in the edge of the 4au of the others probes, or how to use the different(ALOT) kinda of probes... Now a 1day player can learn how to scan stuffs with this new probing system... whys that???
Soo, please CCP, dont make Eve a stupid game where even my cat can play it.... Just my opinion...
*Hi im so awsum that im so super inetliegent that i am so super that i must only play with also so super so amazing pilots and im so super that ccp should be run by me! im so super that eve should be ruled by me, im so super and amazing that eve should be played by people i deem fit, im so super i think my eog may burst, im so super cause im so uber rich, im so super, im so super, im so super, oh my i cna barly contain myself!*
Fixed it for u, see what i did there?
Shamelessly Stolen Sig - it Owns All |
Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:33:00 -
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EVE never gets "dumber" you guys are just around to read the patch notes and know what they mean. I look at it as streamlining. **** gets easier to traverse, I am willing to bet none of you that say EVE is getting easier to play though ever ran a corp or were a director in one. The corp interface has been FUBAR since day one and there is still not a fix on tranq that is worth a damn to fix that. Z
Fix the damn CEO interface CCP. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT HOLY AND RIGHT, FIX THE CEO CORP INTERFACE. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN |
Fumen
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Loka xDD This last patch is scaring me...
Why every patch CCP is making Eve more dumbier? I mean, easier tutorials, align button, now way too easy scanning with probes system, nano nerf, and others stuffs... Whats next? Auto-fitting window? Guns with no tracking? "ShootDistance" in weapon showinfo because peoples cant do math(Optimal+Falloff)?
Is Eve trying to be like WoW? I like Eve because of its community, and it having a harder gameplay filter reta**** kids away, so they go play something else with elfs and gnomes...
Also, I tried lots of MMORPGs out there, and only Eve was a challenge to learn how to play, and theres always stuffs to learn, thats why I still playing it now..
Eve needs more stuffs for advanced players, probing was, (I think), not everyone knew how to warp around creating SS right in the edge of the 4au of the others probes, or how to use the different(ALOT) kinda of probes... Now a 1day player can learn how to scan stuffs with this new probing system... whys that???
Soo, please CCP, dont make Eve a stupid game where even my cat can play it.... Just my opinion...
So because you had to bang your head against a wall, you want everyone else to? I never found the game that hard to learn, but then again I was a geek in high school and played games like Battletech and Car Wars just to name the easier ones. Personally, I like they're getting rid of archaic methodologies and makes the game easier to actually play and not worry about lame things such as dropping bookmarks with precision. (How lame is that?)
If you are wanting more complex 'roller coasters' to ride, there are tons of games that cater to that attitude. I think WoW and Everquest are right around the corner. EVE is a sandbox. Build your own roller coasters. Pick a fight with the Goons. (I hear they like fighting.) Go solo in Rancer. (I hear that's a heck of a ride, but you usually crash at the end.)
EVE is far from becoming a 'stupid' game. The sheer vast store of knowledge to you'll need to get by isn't changing, just the mechanics to put that knowledge to use. As others have said: "If you don't like it, the door's that way."
tl;dr version: Quit whining, you're masochistic. You want bigger thrill rides, go play WoW. If you leave give me your stuff.
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Delta Wings
Evolva' Spirit House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:48:00 -
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stupid people = profit more stupid people = more profit
That's my view on things at least [color orange]this is not a link[/color] |
Leiara Knight
Gallente The Oblivion Guard
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:51:00 -
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Personally I'm glad the game is easy enough for me to understand, but for an intellectual such as yourself there are many ways to increase the difficulty to a satisfactory level. For example, by disabling the overview and the chat window you can make low security systems much more exciting and challenging.
Consider a ship's fitting statistics to be the Easy Mode limit and stay as far away from the maximum CPU and Powergrid as you dare. Further conpensating for formdable brainpower can be achieved through weapon selection - limit yourself only to smartbombs and light drones.
I believe you'll find the game much more rewarding through the use of self-imposed handicapping and be on a more even footing when facing the likes of the average player.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:54:00 -
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To answer the original question, the more people in eve that are not so bright, means more targets and customers for those of us who are.
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Highwind Cid
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Posted - 2009.02.14 15:04:00 -
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Quote: more dumbier?
Quote: filter reta**** kids away, so they go play something else with elfs and gnomes...
Quote: more stuffs for advanced players
Quote: scan stuffs
Right.....
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Gealbhan
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Feilamya I totally agree with the OP. EVE gets dumbier and dumbier. Next, CCP might add a spelling and grammar checker to the forum...
One can only hope...
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.14 15:34:00 -
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Intelligente can only refer to a "intelligent gallente" and we all know...well
Anyway, auto-fitting with different setups for individual ships; "Click button, set fitting 1, set fitting 2" that you've previously set, would be very very welcome.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.14 15:36:00 -
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So because you actually got to do stuff to find a exploration site/whatever you are scanning for, instead of dropping some probes (omg once in your entire eve career you need to make a couple of bookmarks for a solar system, which everyone can do), keep pressing the scan button, watch a timer count down, and hope the random number generated is good for you, is considered intelligent these days? ---------------------------------------------
Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
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barvo
Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.02.14 15:42:00 -
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I got further than most before realising this was a troll.
Originally by: Loka xDD ... I mean, easier tutorials ...
OP fails, tutorials suck now, help channel suffers.
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eFart
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Posted - 2009.02.14 16:21:00 -
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lol eve is 4 dum people now op can gtfo
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Miss Uylear
Caldari The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2009.02.14 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Intelligente can only refer to a "intelligent gallente" and we all know...well
Anyway, auto-fitting with different setups for individual ships; "Click button, set fitting 1, set fitting 2" that you've previously set, would be very very welcome.
not agreeing here. I like lots of ships for that very thing. rigs and all...
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.02.14 16:26:00 -
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Is this a really clever troll. I think it is.
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Aurik Ulanti
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.14 16:29:00 -
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The OP made me lol...totally worth the 15 second read.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.14 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Uylear
Originally by: Sheriff Jones Intelligente can only refer to a "intelligent gallente" and we all know...well
Anyway, auto-fitting with different setups for individual ships; "Click button, set fitting 1, set fitting 2" that you've previously set, would be very very welcome.
not agreeing here. I like lots of ships for that very thing. rigs and all...
Ah but i meant that if you have a certain fit(complete) you prefer to use, you wouldn't have to use time and time again to set it up.
Much like "fit this stack of guns on active ship", instead of 1 by 1.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Miss Uylear
Caldari The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2009.02.15 17:31:00 -
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Yeah, I knew this. Just wanted to argue. Maybe it was just me as a child that screwed up a jigsaw then made it new again. screw it up and make it new...
Was a fun process; esp those 3D ones. And they were never made by me.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 17:36:00 -
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OP's name screams troll to me.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.02.15 18:15:00 -
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Making a game difficult due to being incomprehensible and with a bad UI is a false difficult.y -- 249km locking? |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Loka xDD This last patch is scaring me...
Why every patch CCP is making Eve more dumbier? I mean, easier tutorials, align button, now way too easy scanning with probes system, nano nerf, and others stuffs... Whats next? Auto-fitting window? Guns with no tracking? "ShootDistance" in weapon showinfo because peoples cant do math(Optimal+Falloff)?
Is Eve trying to be like WoW? I like Eve because of its community, and it having a harder gameplay filter reta**** kids away, so they go play something else with elfs and gnomes...
Also, I tried lots of MMORPGs out there, and only Eve was a challenge to learn how to play, and theres always stuffs to learn, thats why I still playing it now..
Eve needs more stuffs for advanced players, probing was, (I think), not everyone knew how to warp around creating SS right in the edge of the 4au of the others probes, or how to use the different(ALOT) kinda of probes... Now a 1day player can learn how to scan stuffs with this new probing system... whys that???
Soo, please CCP, dont make Eve a stupid game where even my cat can play it.... Just my opinion...
On the one hand yeah I see what you mean.
On the other hand, all the UI helpy-hands in the world won't stop stupid people being stupi ie: easy prey.
So I guess what I'm saying is, it's all good. Chillax and whatnot.
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Volucer S
Noob Fight Club Noob Fleet
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Posted - 2009.02.15 19:21:00 -
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More idiots in game-> more shiny killmails :)
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Wu Jiaqiu
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.15 19:27:00 -
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Well as long as they dont make it too easy. Its always fun to kill noobs. CCP has to tend to their long term players or they will fail and they know that.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.15 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Feilamya I totally agree with the OP. EVE gets dumbier and dumbier. Next, CCP might add a spelling and grammar checker to the forum...
Firefox has a built-in spell-checker. Yet another reason I can't imagine why anyone would use Internet Explorer. It really is inferior in every way.
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Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.02.15 20:00:00 -
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This thread would be more convincing if the OP made more effort to be intelligible himself.
TROLL.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.15 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Feilamya I totally agree with the OP. EVE gets dumbier and dumbier. Next, CCP might add a spelling and grammar checker to the forum...
Firefox has a built-in spell-checker. Yet another reason I can't imagine why anyone would use Internet Explorer. It really is inferior in every way.
Because google toolbar, which is basicly built in firefox, but can also be downloaded for IE, also has spell check?
Or because not everyone needs spell check? ---------------------------------------------
Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
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Reediculouhs
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Posted - 2009.02.15 20:12:00 -
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It will be hilarious when there are 80,000 people online and noone will be able to log on or even move through a gate.
Lagathon incoming.
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Selenica Draper
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.16 08:03:00 -
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unintelligallente?
Please resize your sig to less than 24000 bytes - Mitnal |
Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:03:00 -
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Why does everyone assume that simplifying things makes them somehow less intelligent? The analogy of the car is quite apt, as they have refined the design over the years, but you still need to acquire the skills of driving for yourself. Is driving any less of a skill for the refinement? In many ways, it is harder to drive now than it used to be, due to the number of cars on the road, the speed we travel at, and the technical complexity of our travel environment.
Cars may have been made less complicated and more comfortable, but it has not made the experience of driving any less necessary. Driving requires a lot of skill, and just spending a few minutes on the road makes you appreciate just how few people really drive correctly.
With EVE, it's initial complexity is what dissuades an awful lot of people, and if we want to encourage more people to join, then we have to make that learning curve less intimidating. And what's wrong with having a combined 'shoot distance' anyway? Do you go into a shop and find a pricetag with an audit trail, with separate prices for manufacture, transport and seller profit, which you then have to add up yourself? No, you don't. It might be useful knowing these details, but why make things needlessly complicated?
Or would you rather EVE retain its fierce learning curve and complicated interface in order to keep the population down, and keep it as an elite little club for smart people?
Personally, I believe streamlining the experience is a good thing. It won't take away from the complexity of the game, and will bring in new people, with whom I can trade and go to war with, and this is what social games are about.
If you want to feel smug in your intellectual superiority, join Mensa. If you want a social game with plenty of challenge, join EVE.
I've seen hundreds of 'EVE is dying' threads, but this is the only MMO, aside from WoW, that has seen continual growth.
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shuckstar
Gallente Hauling hogs
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Taylor timenenzi
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Loka xDD Whats next? Auto-fitting window?
You heard it here first! There is an auto fitting function to the fitting window now. Save your ships current setup and next time you have a fresh ship to fit just select the saved profile and it will take them mods and all charges and fit them in about 2 seconds! Total win feature tbh.
Oh man about time. Thank our lords and creators at CCP.
OP if your going to post on a english forum about something being stupid, run your post thru a grammer/spell checker first.
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Kitsumi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman I've seen hundreds of 'EVE is dying' threads, but this is the only MMO, aside from WoW, that has seen continual growth.
Erm, Discounting the plethora of eastern MMOs we never see State-side or in Europe which do enjoy continual growth you're off by a power.
You missed Second Life (which I admit is debatable as a game but is an MMO) and Dofus. Both of which are free. Of the paid MMOs, yes, WoW and EVE are the only two which have enjoyed growth year after year.
Which makes the animosity EVE players have for WoW players, and vice versa, rather ironic.
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kitsumi
Originally by: Ratchman You missed Second Life (which I admit is debatable as a game but is an MMO) and Dofus. Both of which are free. Of the paid MMOs, yes, WoW and EVE are the only two which have enjoyed growth year after year.
Which makes the animosity EVE players have for WoW players, and vice versa, rather ironic.
I believe Second Life has had a population crash fairly recently, though I may be wrong with that, and I've never heard of Dofus.
There probably are a number of successful Japanese / Korean, etc games we never see, but I hadn't factored them in because I can't speak about a market of which I am completely unaware.
Needless to say, even recently released MMOs are struggling, like Warhammer, which enjoyed an initial flurry, but has struggled since, and Age Of Conan, which from what I hear is sinking like a stone.
That said, EVE hasn't really had much in the way of direct rivalry just yet, as the majority of MMOs are fantasy, or variants thereof.
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Mersault
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:20:00 -
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>games like Battletech and Car Wars
When cardboard was King. *sigh* Them were the days.
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Cadde
Gallente Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:30:00 -
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The new probing system is anything but dumb. It now takes real player skill to narrow down a result and not just warping from planet to planet dropping a 4 au probe then cloaking and going afk.
Nothing can beat a hand's on approach like we have now. --------------- Opinions? Yes they belong to me, not my corp! |
Karentaki
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.16 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Loka xDD now way too easy scanning with probes system
So pressing a button every 5 minutes for 2 hours is skill? ROFL, nice troll.
Quote:
EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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Loneez
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Posted - 2009.02.16 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Loneez on 16/02/2009 14:16:28 To get more players...to make more money
I would have thought
Eve's biggest joy and biggest pain for most people is the mountain like learning curve
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.02.16 14:29:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Lord WarATron Do you still drive a car with Makeshift Transmission? You know, where you have two gearsticks. Do you also use a manual crank to start your car or get someone to manually start the propellers whenever you take a flight on a plane? Does your train jounrey involve you filling the engine with coal?
This pretty much outlines my thoughts.
There is a huge difference between user-friendliness and something being made easier as well. Sometimes the method of presentation or explanation makes all the difference.
And if the OP would read some more patch notes and dev blogs she'd know that upcoming npc AI overhauls and tech 3 ships are adding a nice layer of complication on top of what we already have.
CEO | Diary of a pod pilot |
Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari Katsu Response Unit
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Posted - 2009.02.16 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus Making a game difficult due to being incomprehensible and with a bad UI is a false difficult.y
What that freecaptain guy said..
Repeative, stupid tasks are something that everybody wants to get rid off, be it clever or dumb men. Which involves the current scanning mechanics, configuring your overview settings for every new char (and computer, sigh..) and even the fitting process while you dont want to experiment with a different setup anyways. So luckily, CCP changes all of that with next patch.
Oh, and the prey thing is quite amusing ^^
The only thing I will miss is the nice little picture with the learning curves of MMOs
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.16 14:58:00 -
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True story - for the first week of playing I believed that falloff was not in addition to optimal range.
TBH, if CCP just wrote a well written (or even an audio program) explaining how not to die in PVE/PVP in this game, that would help with retention... ________________________________________________
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Sunbird Huy
Caldari Wolf Task Force Gemini Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.16 15:02:00 -
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OMG...
I actually read such OP all the way...
All I could do next was read the following storm of smack, which was well deserved. And I have to add: Somehow You managed to get through the currently existing filter for "dumbier and unintelligente people"... And the scientists in Iceland are now rubbing their foreheads and banging their heads against the keyboards with question "How the F**K did he get through?!??"
And if this was an attempt to troll, I must say, dear sir, You failed even more...
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Asachi Yun
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Posted - 2009.02.16 15:16:00 -
[60]
WoW/Wii Philosophy: Casualization = Cash.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.02.16 20:55:00 -
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I disalgeed. Eve habe many smarat people. CCP not maek gaem easi. CCP maek client bettar. Client habe upgarded so much and it gut. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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Allen Jameson
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Posted - 2009.02.16 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Taylor timenenzi OP if your going to post on a english forum about something being stupid, run your post thru a grammer/spell checker first.
Oh the irony...
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Ron Bacardi
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.02.16 23:09:00 -
[63]
I think you're proof that the unintelligente people are already here.
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Rondo Gunn
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.02.16 23:19:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Taylor timenenzi
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Loka xDD Whats next? Auto-fitting window?
You heard it here first! There is an auto fitting function to the fitting window now. Save your ships current setup and next time you have a fresh ship to fit just select the saved profile and it will take them mods and all charges and fit them in about 2 seconds! Total win feature tbh.
Oh man about time. Thank our lords and creators at CCP.
OP if your going to post on a english forum about something being stupid, run your post thru a grammer/spell checker first.
Auto fitting?!? Heeeeeeeeeell yeah. Now I can save setups and not have to ask myself: "Now what is that blood raiders tank again...?" ----------------------------------------------- shin ku myo u
Please note: Everything I say is flavored with irony, cynicism and, of course, minty freshness. |
Taedrin
Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.16 23:30:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Amerilia
They dont care who plays the game, as long as as many people play it as possible. And I am sure with all the newbies, plex prices will fall, because they want money fast.
Incorrect. CCP doesn't want "as many people" to play it as possible, because that would break their servers, causing everyone to quit, and then they would lose all of their income. They know this. Thus they want people to join at a steady rate that they can keep up with. If they suddenly found themselves with 12 million subscribers, they would collapse like a black hole.
Don't lie to yourself, thinking that CCP is trying to become the next WoW. If they were trying to become the next WoW, then we'd have battlegrounds, arenas, module insurance, no SP loss possible upon death and pointless holidays sprinkled throughout the year. And yet, CCP is going to be making SP loss MORE LIKELY with the introduction of T3.
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Stab Wounds
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.16 23:58:00 -
[66]
OP = troll
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.02.17 00:44:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Loka xDD
Why every patch CCP is making Eve more dumbier? I mean, easier tutorials, align button, now way too easy scanning with probes system, nano nerf, and others stuffs...
In case you havent noticed -- CCP is a company trying to make monies -- not a 'make a video game for the elite mmo player company.'
Start a petition to stop the dumbing down of eve in exchange for doubling the monthly fee for players. See how many signatures you get.
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Horsemen of Apocalypse
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Posted - 2009.02.17 00:47:00 -
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Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 17/02/2009 00:47:01
haha, ib4 Khemul
sorry m8, just this once?
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: FOl2TY8
I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence.
Yeah, I use that excuse too.
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Junko Togawa
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Posted - 2009.02.17 08:52:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Trebor Notlimah
In case you havent noticed -- CCP is a company trying to make monies -- not a 'make a video game for the elite mmo player company.'
Start a petition to stop the dumbing down of eve in exchange for doubling the monthly fee for players. See how many signatures you get.
QFT and win! I'ma be using that one myself.
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Florio
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.02.17 09:27:00 -
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The complexity and depth of a game does not have to come from, and should not come from, its ease of use and playability. Improvements to the interface and tutorial to make the new player experience as effortless as possible is a Good Thing. Most of the depth should come from the tactics, strategy, and player interaction, which is surely what a sandbox is all about.
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Mostly Amazing
Gallente Mostly Amazing Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.17 09:47:00 -
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Guess what, EVE is like every other mmo out there but with a different look and a crappy gameplay.
EVE is not more complex than other mmo's and doesn't keeps the less intelligent people away.
It keeps people away that can't be bothered to spend 80% of their free time warping, docking, undocking, sitting in stations while reading the forums or playing pacman or spend an hour point click warping between planets dropping probes clicking scan... scan... scan... while looking at the same black space, the same planets, the same people doing the same stuff over and over and over.
EVE is not for the intelligent, EVE is for people dedicated enough to waste tons of time to be able to get perhaps a glimpse of fun gameplay. -------------- I R Not Completely Amazing, But I R Mostly Amazing |
Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.02.17 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Evocationz
Fixed it for u, see what i did there?
I see what you did there.
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Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari Firestar Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.02.17 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Loka xDD This last patch is scaring me...
Why every patch CCP is making Eve more dumbier? I mean, easier tutorials, align button, now way too easy scanning with probes system, nano nerf, and others stuffs... Whats next? Auto-fitting window? Guns with no tracking? "ShootDistance" in weapon showinfo because peoples cant do math(Optimal+Falloff)?
Is Eve trying to be like WoW? I like Eve because of its community, and it having a harder gameplay filter reta**** kids away, so they go play something else with elfs and gnomes...
Also, I tried lots of MMORPGs out there, and only Eve was a challenge to learn how to play, and theres always stuffs to learn, thats why I still playing it now..
Eve needs more stuffs for advanced players, probing was, (I think), not everyone knew how to warp around creating SS right in the edge of the 4au of the others probes, or how to use the different(ALOT) kinda of probes... Now a 1day player can learn how to scan stuffs with this new probing system... whys that???
Soo, please CCP, dont make Eve a stupid game where even my cat can play it.... Just my opinion...
You are confusing easy with user friendly.
Because something is less tedious that does not mean it is easier. There was no skill in probing beyond the patience to train all the traits to 5 and spend 3 hours warping around a system.
Narrow minded troll is narrow minded
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Stitcher
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.02.17 13:49:00 -
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the elitism in the OP is stifling... not to mention ironic.
EVE players seem to suffer from this more than most. I don't know why, but there seems to be this pervading snobbery among the EVE Online fanbase that says "our game is better than WoW, WoW is mass-market trash, any change that makes our game more intuitive to play devalues EVE".
If I were on a forum with a less strict language filter, the expletives would fly thick and fast at that attitude. Instead I'm forced to stick with:
GROW UP.
Whining about EVE becoming more accessible is unbearably immature.
Personally, any change that brings more players to be EVE is welcomed, as far as I'm concerned. It means more customers, more rivals, more prey, more allies and more foils. It makes for a richer and more interesting game environment.
EVE will never be a game for the mass-market lowest common denominator because our player-player interaction framework is so... ruthless, cold-hearted and machiavellian. Changing the way probing works, or adding an "align to" button makes no difference whatsoever to those facts. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
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