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Xolani1990
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:40:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:
Isn't there a rule about publishing people's real life details on the forums without their permission?
If signing up to E-UNI means they can use your details at their discretion then more fool the people that join them.
L2read, nobody acquired or published his RL info, only the rubbish that came out of his mouth about how he's had all of those jobs to make himself seem authoritative. |
Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:40:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:E-UNI are simply misusing their resources (info) to try an discredit/character assassinate the guy. But for a lot of people it's backfired on the E-UNI. Kelduum often misreads EVE culture in hilarious ways. He honestly thought that releasing his "personnel record" would increase his popularity in the community ... and seeing that he's a very new and very silent member of the CSM ... it couldn't help to get out in the public eye in a manner that the community would enjoy.
We all enjoy good trolls ... but the funny kind ... not the douchey kind. What Kelduum did definitely falls squarely on the douchey side.
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Xolani1990
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:45:00 -
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The irony of you talking about people being douchey is palpable. |
Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:49:00 -
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Xolani1990 wrote:E-UNI made absolutely the right decision in removing you. Don't mistake Xolani as anything other than an E-Uni nuthugger. He might wear Test, but he's Unista at heart.
Xolani1990 wrote:The irony of you talking about people being douchey is palpable. I'm not representing the playerbase. So, who cares if I'm douchey (or not)? The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Xolani1990
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:54:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Xolani1990 wrote:E-UNI made absolutely the right decision in removing you. Don't mistake Xolani as anything other than an E-Uni nuthugger. He might wear Test, but he's Unista at heart. Xolani1990 wrote:The irony of you talking about people being douchey is palpable. I'm not representing the playerbase. So, who cares if I'm douchey (or not)?
You have me there Poetic. My internet spaceships identity has been threatened and my heartstrings are pulled. |
Djakku
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:55:00 -
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The OP is completely insane, ranting and raving about plagiarising some crap he wrote about an internet spaceship game. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:08:00 -
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Reads like "Online game academy proves what online game is about."
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Eliza Venning
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:12:00 -
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Gideon, if you wish, get someone else in the uni to run the classes on your behalf, and i am sure it would not be too hard to get infomation related to your classes put back on the wiki credited to yourself.
I can't say if the uni made the right choice in kicking you or not, but the infomation you provided was undeniably usefull, and it would be benificial to be able to have it reposted. You may personly think the management is rotten, but that does not make the instituation as a whole a problem. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
271
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:29:00 -
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Xolani1990 wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:
Isn't there a rule about publishing people's real life details on the forums without their permission?
If signing up to E-UNI means they can use your details at their discretion then more fool the people that join them.
L2read, nobody acquired or published his RL info, only the rubbish that came out of his mouth about how he's had all of those jobs to make himself seem authoritative.
I was sort of fishing at that point as I'd not actually read the E-UNI thread. Although of course that does not alter my previous posts on this subject.
But after your post I decided I'd have to look. I read through a lot of the stuff, it just makes the E-UNI management look like a joke. There were managers completely against him back in January. Only saw references to the jobs from the managers (one side of the story) did not see an age reference, although I did start to go back through the thread to see if I could find that reference but did not see it as access to the thread became restricted.
So it looks like it's no longer accessible to the general public, about time too.
From reading their thread, I'm really glad that I never even tried to join the E-UNI although the thought had crossed my mind in the past. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:42:00 -
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Gideon Tyler wrote:
Blah blah i contributed something blah...
Again, I request you remove me from the Departed List, I deserved better than that. Regardless of your decision, I see no need for us to talk further.
HELL NO!
Ranger 1 wrote:Personally I don't know of any corporation in EVE that would put up with
1: Deliberately disobeying your FC in a combat situation and encouraging others to do so.
2: Repeated personality conflicts with corp management and/or FC's.
3: Repeated long winded, unsolicited communications about trivial matters.
4: Repeated veiled threats and condescention to your fellow players.
5: Attempts to embarrass the player organization as a whole to force the issue.
Any one of these things should have gotten you first a warning (possibly), and then subsequently kicked from the organization. Nobody has the time or patience to put up with this level and volume of crap from one individual over completely pointless issues.
Simply put, you are not worth the time and effort.
I'd wager that most everyone who has been in a CEO or directors position in a corp or alliance in EVE would likely agree.
This.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:44:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Personally I don't know of any corporation in EVE that would put up with
1: Deliberately disobeying your FC in a combat situation and encouraging others to do so.
2: Repeated personality conflicts with corp management and/or FC's.
3: Repeated long winded, unsolicited communications about trivial matters.
4: Repeated veiled threats and condescention to your fellow players.
5: Attempts to embarrass the player organization as a whole to force the issue.
Any one of these things should have gotten you first a warning (possibly), and then subsequently kicked from the organization. Nobody has the time or patience to put up with this level and volume of crap from one individual over completely pointless issues.
Simply put, you are not worth the time and effort.
I'd wager that most everyone who has been in a CEO or directors position in a corp or alliance in EVE would likely agree. This. lol, the worst you can say about him is that he acted like an EVE player. Get the roid out of your butt. You are too young to be upset.
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Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:52:00 -
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Of all the silliness I have read on the forums, this takes the cake. Talk about tempest in a teapot. All parties involved appear to be egomaniacs. |
Sir John Halsey
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Posted - 2012.04.24 14:01:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Quote:Ranger you are getting pretty weak in your game. It is perfectly OK to expect some decency and professionalism from a large corporation that has been in-game almost eight years and has appox. 2000 members. If you cannot find decent, professional people to run things with 2000 to choose from, you are either not looking, or you do not care. An organization that has some pretty high standards like the UNI, needs to at least live up to its own Code of Conduct, management especially so.
I went public for a reason, my efforts to resolve this privately had failed and I felt Kelduum was doing his utmost to sweep this kind of crap under the rug, and my situation you are correct is not unique. Stuff gets fouled up like this at the UNI with startling regularity. Of course it's okay to expect some decency and professionalism, and the record shows that you received that far beyond any reasonable expectation. ... ...
So, by not giving him credit and just kick him was far beyond decency and professionalism :)
This is so funny. |
Signal11th
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Posted - 2012.04.24 14:19:00 -
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Trent Aubaris wrote:So the adult thing to do is whine and air your dirty laundry on a public forum?
And what are you going to do if it happens to you? suck it up and get trodden on?
Personally both sets of people in this are coming across as complete twats. Go to fanfest next year and beat the sh ite out of each other an do us all a favor (obviously I mean verbally not physically) God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Zaxix
Gods of Freight The Toy Box
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Posted - 2012.04.24 14:33:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:I just love it when people tell me that the "moral high ground" is best held by sitting down, shutting up, and letting scumbags take credit for my work or whatever else they feel like doing. And if they fire me and I still keep quiet, I get double moral high ground points!
Nobody really believe this, not even the poster. It isn't about being being right or wrong. That is why these two idiots (K and the OP) are slap fighting right now. They have lost perspective, particularly K, who should know better by now. I'm poking him with a stick to point out that if he is going to play the game at the meta level in the CSM, he'd better get his **** together and realize that all the rules of public relations apply here in EVE, just like RL.
There is no doubt that the OP is an idiot of epic proportions. Booting him was the smart thing to do. It is clear that his behavior was deliberate and its sole purpose is to sow misinformation and discord. Had he posted and K kept his mouth shut, he was just spitting into the wind. He was on his way to being devoured by the trolls. K. clearly thought that the way to go was delegitamizing him by attempting to humiliate him. Instead, it merely fed the trolls, extended the life of the thread, and made him look like someone who was so petty and self-important that he couldn't he even bear the stinging rebuke of a random peon.
If you react to every insult or slight delivered in this game, you're going to spend a lot of time being led around by the nose. In SWTOR, there is a combat ability called Taunt. It forces the enemy to attack you. It is a very effective weapon for disrupting the enemy and forcing him into combat he can't win.
Irdlath, you didn't respond to my comment about E-UNI being displayed as a Help channel. Would you like to address it in this thread? Or shall I start a new one with the question prominently displayed in the thread title? Red Frog--Hisec Courier Black Frog--Losec/Nosec Courier
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Irdalth Delrar
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.04.24 14:56:00 -
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Zaxix wrote:Irdlath, you didn't respond to my comment about E-UNI being displayed as a Help channel. Would you like to address it in this thread? Or shall I start a new one with the question prominently displayed in the thread title?
Sorry, I thought I addressed it, guess I didn't.
I'm not sure what's to be said about it. We never asked to be listed as a help channel, CCP decided it on their own. We have no control over what they do, and I guess if the entire directorate petitioned to remove it as such, they'll probably just kinda laugh and still decide on their own.
We have a channel that offers help like the Rookie channel, but ours is more actively moderated. Many other corps do, though they don't usually have as many people in it. As its worth noting, since becoming listed, we haven't seen any big leap in the number of people in channel or the number of questions being asked (we didn't even notice it for quite a while).
Perfectly frank, its not fair that other corps that run similar channels don't get the same recognition. We never asked to be listed, and we don't know what criteria CCP used to decide to add us. They never asked for our opinion, if we agreed, or if we wanted to be listed.
Do I think its a problem? No. Do I think it shows favoritism? Maybe, but if it does, its unidirectional. We don't ask for special treatment, regardless of what people think. Kelduum being on the CCP is the most direct link to CCP we've ever hard; prior to this, we had the same PR GM contacts the other major alliances had. And now with Keld on the CCP, I'm not sure how it makes the Uni a bigger favorite of CCP than any other corp/alliance represented there. And the Uni directorate often disagrees with CCPs direction; we're not fans of anything that makes high sec more secure while making null less appealing. We want better sov mechanics, and for POS bashes to be less of a pain so more people would want to be involved. We'd oppose any move to make high sec completely carebear space.
I know its off topic from what you asked, but I think it wraps together. We don't ask for special treatment from CCP, and if they're giving it to us, if it something that isn't going to unbalance the game, I don't see the point in making a fuss. But to your point, I would support creating a criteria to allow corporation public channels to be classified as player run help channels, the Uni certainly isn't unique in this regard. |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2012.04.24 15:09:00 -
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This thread delivers, so much, I have awoken myself from deep cryo slumber and am actually posting from work just to say, that after having read so far the first 7 pages (with attendant links of Gideon posting story in E Uni forums) that despite any flaws he might have as a person, E Uni CSM member trolling and arrow to the knee overused meme just to point out his take on the whole issue, only manages to tilt the balance in favor of Gideon.
I used to recommend to newcomers E Uni, but seriously, after several flawed happenstances, this one being the proverbial last drop on an totally full glass of water that made it spill over the table, Id refrain to recommend them in the future.
Also despite this being a game, someone with a CSM tag spouting trolling hatred on the forums, despite being amusing and screenshot worthy for future reference, is simply too much of a next step in Poketrolling to actually consider E-Uni as a serious place of "eve learning" and more in line with a Liberal Arts College, not that they are bad, just in a diff category.
Like Saruman said " ISENGARD BIDS FIVE" on Gideon, offers nothing for E-Uni.
Im also making this known to EVE24, as a duly pre-occupied and worried "nitter vet" since E Uni news are now "worthy" to be posted there.
I also like pie.
Keep on fighting Gideon, make homage to your name and fight with tenacity and strength of will against the corrupted trees of rotten virtual institutions, regardless of who they are and what they think of themselves.
The "cachet" is lost, and the painting has finally given way as it flaked under the strength of a forgotten Tuscany afternoon.
Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.04.24 15:14:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:Of all the silliness I have read on the forums, this takes the cake. Talk about tempest in a teapot. All parties involved appear to be egomaniacs. All parties involved are associated with Eve Uni. Of course they're ego-maniacs.
I still can't get over the "teacher" role play stuff, makes me laugh my arse off reading it, didn't realize they took it that seriously.
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Kain The Vile
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.24 15:16:00 -
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Blah blah blah, internet space ships, blah blah, gibs me credit for a pointless wikipedia article, blah blah, im 45 and a virgin, blah blah |
Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2012.04.24 15:24:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:I still can't get over the "teacher" role play stuff, makes me laugh my arse off reading it, didn't realize they took it that seriously. Role playing a teacher (in the bedroom) is VERY serious business indeed! CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
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Gideon Tyler
Sigma-Six
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Posted - 2012.04.24 15:37:00 -
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Why there is so much concern about my background, I do not know, but here it is.
I graduated from High School in 1984.
Served in US Army 84-86.
Served as Police Officer in Atlanta 87-95. This is not uncommon for soldiers coming out of the military to police for a time.
While in College part-time 90-96, I was News Editor of my University Newspaper with a circulation of 50,000.
I got into journalism that way after graduation, and eventually earned a stint at CNN, CNN International, TNT and Cartoon Network. By the way, Turner Broadcasting was a fun and interesting place to work, but way underpays.
I presently work in management and attend law school. I am not yet an attorney, and never claimed to be. Just a first-year law student.
I am married, we have no children and four cats. She is a gamer too, and still hot at 41! Love ya Baby!
None of you have a right to any of this, but do not mind posting it if it will ease the speculation as you cannot obtain my identity from this sort of information.
I never gave my full name to anyone in the UNI, but while in management there, a Director was given an email with my name on it for admin purposes. My guess is that how Kelduum got it and released it. He should not have released my first name to anyone, under any circumstance.
I would add that he sent me mail with my first name privately. I think he thought that would intimidate we somehow, like we know who you are or some kind of crap like that. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
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Posted - 2012.04.24 15:45:00 -
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Deleted quote refers to post 291
No need to post any of that. You should not let it get to you so much.
As for speculation, you should not care about it, happens all the time on forums.
People can speculate I'm a red dragon with gold balls for all I care. It's just speculation.
Your best bet is just to ignore this thread now. Otherwise you'll only get yourself trolled. |
Kain The Vile
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.24 15:46:00 -
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Gideon Tyler wrote:
I am married, we have no children and four cats. She is a gamer too, and still hot at 41! Love ya Baby!
Your poor wife and cats.
Thanks for sharing. |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
167
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:04:00 -
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They were far more patient with him than I would have been, that's for sure.
I'd have jettisoned him in a cargo container and set my drones on it by the second 27 page email. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:07:00 -
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I guess with this much personal information this thread is going to be locked soon (as it should be).
I would be seriously disappointed if there won-¦t be a Poetic Stanziel blog-rant out of it, however.... a fitting spin-off for this little drama. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
Zaxix
Gods of Freight The Toy Box
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:21:00 -
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Irdalth Delrar wrote:I'm not sure what's to be said about it. We never asked to be listed as a help channel, CCP decided it on their own. We have no control over what they do, and I guess if the entire directorate petitioned to remove it as such, they'll probably just kinda laugh and still decide on their own.
Perfectly frank, its not fair that other corps that run similar channels don't get the same recognition. If it isn't fair, then it seems only logical to not allow yourselves to be part of the unfairness. You should ask to be removed from that list. Whether or not CCP will do it is irrelevant. Its the principle of the matter. Right? You wouldn't want E-UNI to develop a reputation for receiving special treatment, would you? I feel confident that if you asked publicly, CCP would make the change.
I would like to take this opportunity to remind you of my previous posts: you must control the conversation. Does K. see now how far off topic something like this can get? Now we're talking about the fairness of a very special perk you get from CCP--an E-UNI benefit that is both priceless and utterly unique in the game. K's stirring of the pot might very well cost him an incredible advertising boon because he gave in to momentary temptation. Moreover, he may have to actually ASK to have it removed. This is why you have to shut these conversations down. This is why you suck it up and issue statements like my first one. This is why you don't humiliate and insult people in public, no matter what they've done or who they are. This was a tiny, tiny thing. Bigger issues are sure to come up during his CSM term. If he can't be bothered to apologize on his own and get his own brand and message under control, he is in for a very long year. Red Frog--Hisec Courier Black Frog--Losec/Nosec Courier
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Leontyne Gaterau
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:33:00 -
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Ah, Gideon. Still the same sniveling little **** I remember from my time in the Uni~ |
Irdalth Delrar
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:49:00 -
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Zaxix wrote:Irdalth Delrar wrote:I'm not sure what's to be said about it. We never asked to be listed as a help channel, CCP decided it on their own. We have no control over what they do, and I guess if the entire directorate petitioned to remove it as such, they'll probably just kinda laugh and still decide on their own.
Perfectly frank, its not fair that other corps that run similar channels don't get the same recognition. If it isn't fair, then it seems only logical to not allow yourselves to be part of the unfairness. You should ask to be removed from that list. Whether or not CCP will do it is irrelevant. Its the principle of the matter. Right? You wouldn't want E-UNI to develop a reputation for receiving special treatment, would you? I feel confident that if you asked publicly, CCP would make the change. I would like to take this opportunity to remind you of my previous posts: you must control the conversation. Does K. see now how far off topic something like this can get? Now we're talking about the fairness of a very special perk you get from CCP--an E-UNI benefit that is both priceless and utterly unique in the game. K's stirring of the pot might very well cost him an incredible advertising boon because he gave in to momentary temptation. Moreover, he may have to actually ASK to have it removed. This is why you have to shut these conversations down. This is why you suck it up and issue statements like my first one. This is why you don't humiliate and insult people in public, no matter what they've done or who they are. This was a tiny, tiny thing. Bigger issues are sure to come up during his CSM term. If he can't be bothered to apologize on his own and get his own brand and message under control, he is in for a very long year.
You're very right, but I'll admit... as an engineering/developer IRL, and only playing the PR man in game, I see my spaceship PR as a very different thing. I look for opportunities to grow as a person and capsuleer, and for the corporation I represent to advance through every action it takes. You can be assured that I certainly will be taking away lessons from this incident and be applying them to any future situations.
As for fair vs not... as I said, I don't think its a big deal as long as it doesn't become an unbalancing thing. Within the Uni and to CCP, we've been doing our best to put together lists of educational organizations within Eve, grouped by what they do, how they do it, etc, to create a community of teaching organizations. Admittedly, it hasn't gone as well as planned or as fast as some would like, but we know and recognize we're not the only ones out there, and commonly turn people to groups like RvB and Agony when their educational interests wouldn't be well filled by the Uni.
I certainly don't think its fair that other corps aren't mentioned; I also don't think fairness is all that drives things. The question becomes, do we credit our public image (which frankly, could never be great... too many people on the interwebs willing to listen to rumor over fact) at the potential for new players being slightly worse off, or do we look worse in the public eye but give new players an avenue they might not otherwise know they have? I'd rather be the villain knowing I'm helping. While I think other corps could use being added to that list, I don't think removing the Uni helps anyone, except to feed the ego of those who think they have some control over how others behave. I still stand by my statement that we didn't ask for it, but as long as other corps aren't being hurt by it, I don't see it as an issue. If CCP decided to start giving Uni members bonus ISK, free ships, etc, you can be damned sure I'd be fighting against that tooth and nail. There's no denying our public chat is more useful then rookie help, and that our channel has a higher population of experienced players largely willing to help (due to our alumni base), but there are determinately other channels out there deserving of recognition, and I would say its better to fight to get them added then to fight to get E-UNI removed. |
Xolani1990
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:54:00 -
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Gideon Tyler wrote:Why there is so much concern about my background, I do not know, but here it is.
Because you used it to throw your weight around and get your way on the internet. Don't be surprised when you make veiled legal threats citing things like a legal background to back your point if people bring your background under scrutiny.
Quote::words: about Gideon's background
I still have zero reason to believe a word of that.
Let's see.
I'm 22, a student for a Masters degree in Ecology at a British university, am a part time youth worker involved in bringing nature and wilderness education to young people from underprivileged backgrounds. I married at 19 and have had a pilot's license since 18, and I'm one of the best amateur longbow archers in the North West of England.
Some parts of that background are true, others are embellished, and others are complete bulls**t. I can't (or at least won't) verify any of it on an internet spaceships forum. I still have no reason to believe anything you said about your background, or to allow it to lend any weight to the veiled threats and hilariously bad attempts to sound like an authority in the subjects you used aspects of that background to claim credibility in, nor did e-uni management when you came to them telling them "I'M A FORMER CNN JOURNALIST" or your veiled legal threats when you told them you have a legal background HUEHUEHUE. |
Leontyne Gaterau
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:59:00 -
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If anyone mirrored the public record plz send it to me. |
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