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destinationunreachable
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:12:00 -
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since the Apocrypha release the market for implants have across most regions increased by around 50% (eg the standard ones from ~14m to ~20m). Is there a larger manipulation happening (sounds too large) ? speculation on new characters (can't see new starters spending 100m on a implant set) or has simply the demand increased ?
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Ahro Thariori
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:46:00 -
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someone mentioned plexes being manipulated. Is that where implants come from? The stunt is said to go like this: "warp in every 12h with trial accounts, destroy a certain spawn that allegedly de-triggers the key-holder to spawn". The sudden unset with Apocrypha would then ofc be caused by the introduction of the training queue (makes training trial account over and over again alot easier, doesnt it?).
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.19 04:28:00 -
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Silly people entering wormhole space with implants (and having to pod themselves home) -> increased demand. Some people actually coming in from the box sales -> increased demand. People reactivating older alts now that remap is possible (and wanting to completely maximize the new combo) -> increased demand.
Nothing to decrease demand... so, obviously, prices are going up. They'll be coming down again soon enough as soon as people wisen up (and go in implantless clones in wildspace) or the novelty fades (stop going there so often), newcomers and reactivators get what they want and no longer need more.
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Ahro Thariori
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Posted - 2009.03.19 04:33:00 -
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well, *those* implants. They come from the LP store, I know. There other implants than the attribute ones rising steeply in price though. Even the -5% copy time ones. Or especially those? Hmmm..
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Chaos Dreams
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Posted - 2009.03.19 05:17:00 -
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Also there's probably quite a few people who've slacked off on mission running lately to do wormholes instead. Fewer people running missions means reduced implant supply as they're not getting the random implants from storyline missions, and fewer LP's to buy implants from the LP stores with.
Once the shine has worn off the expansion a little most of them will probably go back to what they were doing before.
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.03.19 06:18:00 -
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Attribute implants from +1 up to +4 are supplied by storyline missions (as no one with half braincell would accept them from LP store) - now as Akita pointed out it is quite likley that some m,issionrunners have stopped running missions for now and are pking at wormhole space. Thus increased demand plus lower supply.
Or just old good market manipulation. Or implant prices moving up to level where some dumber people would be willing to accept them from LP store.
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Dasfry
Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.19 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Silly people entering wormhole space with implants (and having to pod themselves home) -> increased demand. Some people actually coming in from the box sales -> increased demand. People reactivating older alts now that remap is possible (and wanting to completely maximize the new combo) -> increased demand.
pretty good points here
Originally by: Akita T Nothing to decrease demand...
False, u know this... but i know what your trying to say
nothing NEW to decrease demand
Originally by: Akita T so, obviously, prices are going up. They'll be coming down again soon enough as soon as people wisen up (and go in implantless clones in wildspace) or the novelty fades (stop going there so often), newcomers and reactivators get what they want and no longer need more.
So a new equilibrium in prices occur *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation
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Hobgoblin ll
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Posted - 2009.03.19 06:51:00 -
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This is because you need the old implants for the new +6 attribute implants. You need some reverse engineered stuff from wormholes and a couple of +2, +3 and +4 and one +5 implant to create a +6 implant. There is only a chance of 65% that the creation process is a success (can be increased with skills), so people are breaking lots of implants in the process. Because of that the demand has skyrocked, and so did the price.
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DJ Geist
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Posted - 2009.03.19 07:30:00 -
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There are no +6 implants (elite). What are you talking about? Is this a ploy to further drive up the cost of implants that do exist in game??
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: DJ Geist There are no +6 implants (elite). What are you talking about? Is this a ploy to further drive up the cost of implants that do exist in game??
Actually, +6 are "- Advanced". +7 are "- Elite". And neither one exists.
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yarrmarr
killerchickens unite
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Posted - 2009.03.19 13:21:00 -
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I wouldn't be surprised if it is because of a few people who just bought up the market of high end implants in an attempt to drive up prices. rather fun to undercut them by 20 mill and seeing them panic
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2009.03.19 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Silly people entering wormhole space with implants (and having to pod themselves home) -> increased demand. Some people actually coming in from the box sales -> increased demand. People reactivating older alts now that remap is possible (and wanting to completely maximize the new combo) -> increased demand.
Originally by: Chaos Dreams Also there's probably quite a few people who've slacked off on mission running lately to do wormholes instead. Fewer people running missions means reduced implant supply as they're not getting the random implants from storyline missions, and fewer LP's to buy implants from the LP stores with.
These two may be help keeping it up but the price spiked within a day of the expansion iirc. Jita was 'closed' that day and a couple days afterwards. The supply dried up, demand hasn't caught up.
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Chssmius
Capital Support House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.03.19 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: yarrmarr ... rather fun to undercut them by 20 mill and seeing them panic
I did something like that with one of the T2 ammo markets. Undercut everyone by 30% and watched the price collapsed to about half of what it was. I laughed...then cried because I was hoping someone was going to buy me out.
I have nothing constructive to add to this discussion.
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:49:00 -
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damnit, +5 implants are 100millions now.
this is a real crisis lmao
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Flicky G
Z.o.r.g.i.x Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:57:00 -
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Personally I think it's due to the improved way they are organised in the market - much easier for people to find what they're looking for.
(can't believe non of you market experts mentioned this!)
Flicky
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.03.20 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Flicky G Personally I think it's due to the improved way they are organised in the market - much easier for people to find what they're looking for.
(can't believe non of you market experts mentioned this!)
Flicky
??? you are saying 90% of players are so DUMB that they just found the existance of these implants? lmao...
I think we entered on a speculation spiral and we will see some owneds... its just a matter of time. I won't buy at these prices
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.20 02:16:00 -
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There's another minor factor. Come to think of it, it's kinda major.
You can no longer refuse storyline missions. Think about that for a moment. In the good old days (last month), if I got a crappy "go 4 hops into highly camped lowsec in a freighter for 6 million, kthxbye" I'd tell the agent to go screw themselves with an Iteron V.
Six missions later I'd get to try again.
Now I have to wait a whole week for the crappy or factional storylines to expire before getting another shot from that agent. I have to grind 16 more missions (rather than six).
So, yeah. Storyline implant supply may be taking a hit in combination with increased demand.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2009.03.20 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear There's another minor factor. Come to think of it, it's kinda major.
You can no longer refuse storyline missions. Think about that for a moment. In the good old days (last month), if I got a crappy "go 4 hops into highly camped lowsec in a freighter for 6 million, kthxbye" I'd tell the agent to go screw themselves with an Iteron V.
Six missions later I'd get to try again.
Now I have to wait a whole week for the crappy or factional storylines to expire before getting another shot from that agent. I have to grind 16 more missions (rather than six).
So, yeah. Storyline implant supply may be taking a hit in combination with increased demand.
Interesting point. Doesn't explain attribute implants though.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.20 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear
You can no longer refuse storyline missions. Think about that for a moment. In the good old days (last month), if I got a crappy "go 4 hops into highly camped lowsec in a freighter for 6 million, kthxbye" I'd tell the agent to go screw themselves with an Iteron V.
Six missions later I'd get to try again.
Really you had a reduced number of missions to do to get a storyline if you refused one? Never heard of that.
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.03.20 11:15:00 -
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holy ****, then you suggest we should buy them all before prices keep rising even more?
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.03.20 11:16:00 -
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BUY BUY BUY.....
cmon its really cheap just buy, invest all your liquids! also the internal ones...
"the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.03.20 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama BUY BUY BUY.....
cmon its really cheap just buy, invest all your liquids! also the internal ones...
lol
I used to trade with +3 implants, damn I should have thought about this happening. Would have been like 2billions benefit if I hadnt sold all the implants before apocrypha
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.03.20 11:43:00 -
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ive never touched the implants market... to much competetion :p
"the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.03.20 22:01:00 -
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not really when jumping to other regions lol
now we want implants to their original prices!!
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Flicky G
Z.o.r.g.i.x Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.21 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Flicky G on 21/03/2009 11:58:51
Originally by: Ms Delerium
Originally by: Flicky G Stuff
??? you are saying 90% of players are so DUMB that they just found the existance of these implants? lmao...
No I didn't.
Idiot.
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Caecilia Arene
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.03.21 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Silly people entering wormhole space with implants (and having to pod themselves home) -> increased demand.
Certainly some of this I think .
Another factor could the a few mission runners taking a break from missioning and trying their luck against the new bad guys and some WS plexes. (it's still PVE after all). I suspect it wouldn't take too many mission runners trying something new to affect the market since there is a reasonable volume there.
I noticed the spike when the patch first came out and bought up everything I could from the areas traditionally with competative prices. No complaints about the profit margins here .
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.03.21 19:49:00 -
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WTB implants at fair price
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Anemonae Ambrosia
Gallente V e x i l l u m
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Posted - 2009.03.21 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Delerium WTB implants at fair price
Lol a fair price? What do you consider a fair price? And TBH it doesn't really matter what u think a fair price is, supply and demand dictate what the price is. There is no such thing as "fair". There may be small amounts of speculation but overall they have a small impact on the market since if they push the price up too high demand drys up, prices crash and they loose lots of moneys. So re-think that a little bit.
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Hamatitio
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.22 03:02:00 -
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implants used to be 30-45 mil a pop for the +3s... dont whine
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Illectroculus Defined
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex Attribute implants from +1 up to +4 are supplied by storyline missions (as no one with half braincell would accept them from LP store)
Actually, the prices for Ocular filters are heading past the magic 24million mark, which means that the 12000LP + 12million ISK = +4 implant deal is now pushing past the magic 1000ISK per LP mark, so it is becoming viable once more.
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Dani SP
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: Dani SP on 24/03/2009 21:46:56 There is an awesome fight with neural - improved in Jita 4-4
from 112mil to 102mil and lemmings are still following down
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:20:00 -
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I haven't been following the general rig market very closely, but I have been watching the Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I market (used in exploration). As soon as Apocrypha was announced the prices of the mats for those started increasing, expecially Fried Interface Circuits (the other components increased more in percentage terms but are such a small amount of the cost that it doesn't matter very much.)
There was a big spike in demand for GCU I's when Apoc went live and prices spiked accordingly and have been coming back down ever since.
FIC's jumped by 40-50% or more during that time, which has boosted the cost of everything that they go into - like armor pumps.
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Dani SP
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:12:00 -
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Neural - improved price is 105m now... will try to lower it some more as I think this is still too high (compared to the other Improved ones)
see me as a robin hood (but in the mean I earn some millions as I buy them at other regions for 97m)
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dani SP Neural - improved price is 105m now... will try to lower it some more as I think this is still too high (compared to the other Improved ones)
see me as a robin hood (but in the mean I earn some millions as I buy them at other regions for 97m)
97 millions? There where alot of them at Amarr for 95 millions......
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Dreamwalker
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex Attribute implants from +1 up to +4 are supplied by storyline missions
Not sure if you know this but +5 implants come from lvl 5 storyline missions. Which is where I get mine.
Originally by: CCP Whisper Local chat in known 0.0, low sec and empire space will remain as it is today, in all it's insta-intel giving, afk cloaker panic inducing, jita trade spamming glory.
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Dani SP
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Posted - 2009.03.25 13:21:00 -
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95? uh gotta check it out :D
Jita: 101m now and going down
Anyone wants help me in this crusade against implant speculation? Lemmings are easy and predictable
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:09:00 -
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hummm if there was any real aberration in price, the closest thing the an influential change i can think of is probing low-sec mission runners. but those are (waY) too few in the grand scheme of mission farming - putting the gist back into logistics |
Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:11:00 -
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Can it be due to bans on transport mission macrobots?
Remember quite a few threads showing the same people endlessly going back & forth in industrials and being tracked by some hardworking people a few months back.
If that is the case then its a classic case of supply dropping while demand remains constant. "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound |
Saikron
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Posted - 2009.03.26 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Illectroculus Defined
Originally by: Carniflex Attribute implants from +1 up to +4 are supplied by storyline missions (as no one with half braincell would accept them from LP store)
Actually, the prices for Ocular filters are heading past the magic 24million mark, which means that the 12000LP + 12million ISK = +4 implant deal is now pushing past the magic 1000ISK per LP mark, so it is becoming viable once more.
What makes that mark so magical if I may ask? :P --------
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Illectroculus Defined
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Posted - 2009.03.26 22:25:00 -
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'psychologicly important'
Depending on the corp you might do better, in fact I'm sure you can name a load of better things to spend LP on. But, the return on LP spent on implants has quadrupled since Apocrypha, so the assertion that only fools would spend LP on implants needs reexamined.
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g0ggalor
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Posted - 2009.03.27 02:29:00 -
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Hell, all I do is run mission all day long, so the 12,000 LP doesn't really mean a whole lot to me.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.27 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dreamwalker
Originally by: Carniflex Attribute implants from +1 up to +4 are supplied by storyline missions
Not sure if you know this but +5 implants come from lvl 5 storyline missions. Which is where I get mine.
Least I heard level 5 storylines were not implemented. Care to cite the name of some of them?
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Regulottus
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.27 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Illectroculus Defined
Originally by: Carniflex Attribute implants from +1 up to +4 are supplied by storyline missions (as no one with half braincell would accept them from LP store)
Actually, the prices for Ocular filters are heading past the magic 24million mark, which means that the 12000LP + 12million ISK = +4 implant deal is now pushing past the magic 1000ISK per LP mark, so it is becoming viable once more.
Pah!, I run missions for amarr navy/ministry of war and I can get 2000 ISK per LP. You need to do some research matey.
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Dreamwalker
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Posted - 2009.03.27 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Dreamwalker
Originally by: Carniflex Attribute implants from +1 up to +4 are supplied by storyline missions
Not sure if you know this but +5 implants come from lvl 5 storyline missions. Which is where I get mine.
Least I heard level 5 storylines were not implemented. Care to cite the name of some of them?
So far my "lvl 5 story missions" have been level 4 storyline agents in low sec. So far I have only taken minerals to them, but they give my +5 implants for it.
The agents give me a much bigger boost to my faction standings than the normal high sec lvl 4 storyline agents.
If you don't believe me, then on your 16 mission run it doing a lvl 5 mission and see for your self. Warning you will need to haul pricey ores a few jumps into low sec. |
Iridescent Moon
Caldari Iridescent Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.27 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Regulottus
Pah!, I run missions for amarr navy/ministry of war and I can get 2000 ISK per LP. You need to do some research matey.
1k ISK per LP is considered "standard" rate for most mission runners. If you bother to look around and are willing to be flexable with your agent/corp you can get much better then that.
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Dreamwalker
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Posted - 2009.03.28 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Iridescent Moon
Originally by: Regulottus
Pah!, I run missions for amarr navy/ministry of war and I can get 2000 ISK per LP. You need to do some research matey.
1k ISK per LP is considered "standard" rate for most mission runners. If you bother to look around and are willing to be flexable with your agent/corp you can get much better then that.
Are any of those Caldari Navy or Peace and Order corp?
I have been kicking around the idea of running missions for Amarr but I'm afraid of what I will be fighting.
Originally by: CCP Whisper Local chat in known 0.0, low sec and empire space will remain as it is today, in all it's insta-intel giving, afk cloaker panic inducing, jita trade spamming glory.
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Saikron
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Posted - 2009.03.28 05:01:00 -
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So what's a pretty good value for Gallente FIO/FN LP? I can't find a much better deal than 1k per LP. Certainly not as high as 2k per for those corps. --------
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Dani SP
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Posted - 2009.03.31 14:33:00 -
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The price is still crazy, who wants to join me in the crusade?
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Psi Draconis
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Posted - 2009.03.31 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: destinationunreachable since the Apocrypha release the market for implants have across most regions increased by around 50% (eg the standard ones from ~14m to ~20m). Is there a larger manipulation happening (sounds too large) ? speculation on new characters (can't see new starters spending 100m on a implant set) or has simply the demand increased ?
Gazillion of macro courier mission bots got booted.
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Valarie Rikeen
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Posted - 2009.04.24 20:59:00 -
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I know this is a late response to a month old thread, but I daytrade in implants in both Rens and Amarr, I watched prices jump 50% over night 2 months ago, along with 200 size stacks being put up at market for the new higher price. It was large scale market manipulation, I cannot imagine the amount of ISK involved.. but as far as I can tell, it was performed across all major trade hubs. Perhaps higher demand has made these prices fall slower, but there is no question what initially caused it.
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.04.25 15:44:00 -
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I noticed Im not being given implants any more (when doing storylines). Now there are random rewards like 5-10 millions, or hardwirings.
Im talking of level 3 missions which I usually like to do.
CCP must have undercutted the supply of implants cause they dont like learning skills/implants???
I dont believe its a market manipulation. No one on Earth would have enough isk to do this effectively over the whole New Eden galaxy. I mean: NO WAY
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Valarie Rikeen
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Posted - 2009.04.25 22:03:00 -
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Ms Delerium, I am 100% certain it was market manipulation... It may of been a large alliance's Trade Division or something, it had to of been multiple accounts to cover all of the eve universe. Just look at the price history on implants, and look back about a month and a half. That wasn't a natural price fluctuation. There is no other way of explaining 200 implants disappearing off the market (including the 4 billion worth I had for sale) and there being 100-300 something size stacks of every type of implant being put on the market in its place.
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Mystafyre
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.25 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: destinationunreachable since the Apocrypha release the market for implants have across most regions increased by around 50% (eg the standard ones from ~14m to ~20m). Is there a larger manipulation happening (sounds too large) ? speculation on new characters (can't see new starters spending 100m on a implant set) or has simply the demand increased ?
Lot's of macro courier mission characters has been unable to farm LP's after Apocrypha since they can't run the client.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.04.26 01:19:00 -
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Manipulation at its finest for most of the implants.
If you'll remember correctly, about 3 weeks before launch a kind soul thats a regular sorta implied that you might want to stock up as much as possible on the whole gambit of sets. |
El Kaposo
Amarr Simtech Industrial Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.26 06:19:00 -
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Look at the market history, few months ago there where around 80. so, yeah, manipulation at work.
i also had a go dragging the prices down recently. funny though, that people sometimes buy from the higher priced orders still, giving you some extra isk.
made around 30 mil just by buyers not buying from my lowest order, but from higher priced ones. (you still sell your item, but at the higher price)
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.04.26 11:38:00 -
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I remember when I got my first +2 implant. I sold it for 42 million isk. There were no jump clones, I had no implants plugged in.
Implant prices are very cheap, they only spiked up because there seem to be less people running missions coupled with more people getting 'stuck' and podding themselves and so needing a new set.
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lord orei
Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2009.04.27 03:17:00 -
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Implants have increased in price because of demand. Demand has been increased because of 0.0 and ccp's change to skill training at implantless speed when podded. I used to set a 20-30d skill and not have to replace implants when podded until it was time to train another skill. I now have to replace them quite often.
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