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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Eternum Pariah
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Posted - 2009.04.16 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard Two ECCM on a tempest is pretty fun.
you haven't even tryid it.
8 eccm's on a scorpion and it still gets jammed by a falcon (that's 546 strength it have ). and this is on the test server with the nerfs too ecm :P
soo stfu |
CrestoftheStars
Caldari Eternum Pariah
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Posted - 2009.04.16 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 Stealth bombers with ECCM counter falcons fairly well, they have a high base sensor strength so if they are ECCMed and a falcon tries to jam it, it has to use most/all of its jammers on the stealth bombers, which are the counters to the falcon and not the main part of the fleet. So is the falcon will be either killed of rendered useless as it has used all of it's ECM on the stealth bomber, thereby being no use to the main fleet.
There are counters to ECM, whining on the forums is not one of them.
you do realise that the falcon can tank the sb quite easily and that THAT sb is killed within seconds by something in the fleet, right? besides the falcon have quite a high sensor strength, and will jam a sb with 1-2 jammers, soo your plan is quite dead there |
Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.04.16 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 16/04/2009 11:01:55
Originally by: CrestoftheStars
Originally by: Megan Maynard Two ECCM on a tempest is pretty fun.
you haven't even tryid it.
8 eccm's on a scorpion and it still gets jammed by a falcon (that's 546 strength it have ). and this is on the test server with the nerfs too ecm :P
soo stfu
yes it gets jammed.
for how long? it appears that you don't understand chance-based mechanics. ---
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.04.16 11:04:00 -
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ECM has not been nerfed. The ships have just been dragged closer to the battle, where the risk is greater. The ECM itself is stronger than before, but the cost of that is the increased chance of dying. Personally, I think CCP have made the right decision on this. The range is what made the Falcon so, so popular. ECM is vital to the game, but don't fool yourselves into thinking that the Falcon was already 'balanced'. If it was, then why do they outnumber the other recons significantly? People don't willingly fly the worst ship in the game. People want to win, so they pick the ship that is most likely to grant them that win.
As someone has already mentioned, everybody doing exactly the same thing is a good way to bring a nerf down on that technique. It's happened time and again. If people actually experimented with ships, rather than slavishly following the edicts laid down by the few, less of these nerfs would happen.
And it is only a 'nerf' if you don't believe in game balancing. Everything must have a counter. ECM has ECCM, but now Falcon's can't sit risk-free at the edge of a battle.
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Spurty
Caldari Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 11:12:00 -
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w00t falcon not so much of a chicken's ship any more.
Originally by: Butter Dog
I think you'll find that 10 seconds > 1 month
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.04.16 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman ECM is vital to the game, but don't fool yourselves into thinking that the Falcon was already 'balanced'. If it was, then why do they outnumber the other recons significantly?
well, that's why some people would prefer to boost the other recons instead of fiddling with the falcon.
because, well, just MAYBE they need a bone thrown at them after all the nerfs that affected them. ---
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Johan Sabbat
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.16 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars
Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 Stealth bombers with ECCM counter falcons fairly well, they have a high base sensor strength so if they are ECCMed and a falcon tries to jam it, it has to use most/all of its jammers on the stealth bombers, which are the counters to the falcon and not the main part of the fleet. So is the falcon will be either killed of rendered useless as it has used all of it's ECM on the stealth bomber, thereby being no use to the main fleet.
There are counters to ECM, whining on the forums is not one of them.
you do realise that the falcon can tank the sb quite easily and that THAT sb is killed within seconds by something in the fleet, right? besides the falcon have quite a high sensor strength, and will jam a sb with 1-2 jammers, soo your plan is quite dead there
I likes me a good bit of theory craft with the old rules, given the SB and Falcon in your scenario would be 180km away from the fleet the SB just needs to switch to FoF cruises.
It's all moot now, just remember this nerf when you complain about Rooks :)
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman ECM is vital to the game, but don't fool yourselves into thinking that the Falcon was already 'balanced'. If it was, then why do they outnumber the other recons significantly?
Its because the other recons are useless in most gangs. You are better off with a inty, hac, BS, dictor, heavy dictor or a ecm ship(depending on type of gang). Adding another ship to the scrapheap wont make the other recons any more popular. And yea this is my sig. Real PVP'ers only use f1. |
lebrata
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.04.16 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars
Originally by: Megan Maynard Two ECCM on a tempest is pretty fun.
you haven't even tryid it.
8 eccm's on a scorpion and it still gets jammed by a falcon (that's 546 strength it have ). and this is on the test server with the nerfs too ecm :P
soo stfu
Be quiet ffs.
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.04.16 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman ECM is vital to the game, but don't fool yourselves into thinking that the Falcon was already 'balanced'. If it was, then why do they outnumber the other recons significantly?
Because eve is now mostly a gang game and as such gang ships and gang fits will be more used than others.
The range the other recons work at makes them rather worthless at gang combat and now the falcon is being moved into the same range......do the math.
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Galvatine
Caldari Dark Materials Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.04.16 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars
Originally by: Megan Maynard Two ECCM on a tempest is pretty fun.
you haven't even tryid it.
8 eccm's on a scorpion and it still gets jammed by a falcon (that's 546 strength it have ). and this is on the test server with the nerfs too ecm :P
soo stfu
Personally I found that 2 ECCM on my apoc made it annoyingly resistant to ECM, sure they can still manage it occasionally, but a lot less often.
You do know that ECM stregth has gone up by 50% with the new patch right, but even with that, I very much doubt you will get perma jammed with 546 sensor stregth. I would estimate thats about a 5-8% chance with those resists.
You were expecting total immunity?
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