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Rip Striker
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Posted - 2009.04.17 17:41:00 -
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When did the developers decide that the Rook should become the new Caldari missile based heavy assault ship? I did not find anything about this in the patch notes.
For those who are not aware about this fact, let me elaborate. In the context of damage:
Rook: 5% rof bonus, +10% missile velocity bonus, +5 light drones Cerberus: 5% rof bonus, 10% missile velocity bonus, 5% kinetic damage, 10% missile flight time
This means that when both ships are firing non-kinetic missile the Rook outdamages the Cerb due to drones. In the case when both are firing kinetic missiles, well, the drones add up to Rook's dps almost beating the Cerberus.
On top of this, the Rook has 7 mid slots, while the Cerb only has 5. I'll let your imagination decide what you can do with 7 midslots on a heavy assault....err, sorry....combat recon ship.
With the missile velocity bonus, the Rook is now a very good sniper, not as good as the Cerb, but hey, 100-150 km is more than enough in most scenarios.
On top of outdamaging and outsniping the Cerberus, the Rook can also jam 1-3 targets (all depends on the mid slot layout) very effectively with the boost from 20% to 30% ecm strength per level.
All in all, CCP seems to have decided to make Rook the new missile (+jammer) heavy assault ship and Cerberus the...i honestly dont know what to use it for anymore.
How about that...
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puckohontas
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Posted - 2009.04.17 18:07:00 -
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ah yeah, boost tghe cerb
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Vigaz
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Posted - 2009.04.17 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Rip Striker When did the developers decide that the Rook should become the new Caldari missile based heavy assault ship? I did not find anything about this in the patch notes.
For those who are not aware about this fact, let me elaborate. In the context of damage:
Rook: 5% rof bonus, +10% missile velocity bonus, +5 light drones Cerberus: 5% rof bonus, 10% missile velocity bonus, 5% kinetic damage, 10% missile flight time
This means that when both ships are firing non-kinetic missile the Rook outdamages the Cerb due to drones. In the case when both are firing kinetic missiles, well, the drones add up to Rook's dps almost beating the Cerberus.
On top of this, the Rook has 7 mid slots, while the Cerb only has 5. I'll let your imagination decide what you can do with 7 midslots on a heavy assault....err, sorry....combat recon ship.
With the missile velocity bonus, the Rook is now a very good sniper, not as good as the Cerb, but hey, 100-150 km is more than enough in most scenarios.
On top of outdamaging and outsniping the Cerberus, the Rook can also jam 1-3 targets (all depends on the mid slot layout) very effectively with the boost from 20% to 30% ecm strength per level.
All in all, CCP seems to have decided to make Rook the new missile (+jammer) heavy assault ship and Cerberus the...i honestly dont know what to use it for anymore.
How about that...
Maybe one day CCP will modify the Cerb to be inline with other HACs.
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Rordan D'Kherr
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.04.17 18:15:00 -
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Fly a rook then, stop whining.
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Rip Striker
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Posted - 2009.04.17 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Rip Striker on 17/04/2009 18:29:55
Originally by: Rordan D'Kherr Fly a rook then, stop whining.
Wow, considerng that your last 10 posts or so were along the lines "stop whining blabla" you must have been podded alot recently.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.04.17 19:05:00 -
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Cerberus has an extra lowslot over the Rook.
+ Slightly more powergrid.
Wonder how it does with a Ganky HAM setup since it has two range bonuses.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.04.17 19:09:00 -
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Actually the rook sux have you looked at its pg ? It is freaking low for a ship which should fit 5 launchers 1mwd + tank. Ccp should boost its pg to 800 at least or 900. Anyway both ships are weak.
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darkmancer
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Posted - 2009.04.17 19:18:00 -
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Cerb needs it flight time bonus to be converted to a secend missile velocity bonus (having a bonus to a already obscene lock time + 15 second wait is obscene), not to mention liht missiles may actually be able to catch ints and vagas now.
That and a small speed boost, it should be slower than all the other hacs but it's a bit painful at present.
Then it be a decent ship. --------------------------------- There's a simple solution to every problem. It is always invariably wrong |
Rip Striker
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Posted - 2009.04.17 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Rip Striker on 17/04/2009 19:25:30
Originally by: Naomi Knight Actually the rook sux have you looked at its pg ? It is freaking low for a ship which should fit 5 launchers 1mwd + tank. Ccp should boost its pg to 800 at least or 900. Anyway both ships are weak.
Both ships have about the same grid, though the Rook have alot more cpu. When it comes to fitting heavy missile launchers, the thing that matters in the end is the cpu, which the Rook has ;)
Also, a cerberus can fit 5 heavies, one LSEII, one mwd and still have decent pg to spare => Rook can fit the same + then some.
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Jade TX
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Posted - 2009.04.17 19:31:00 -
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Cerb with some skillage can do 700 DPS with a buffer tank, all damage mods with heavy assault. Don't ask how it just does. Its a good HAC, only prob is most people don't know how to fit caldari for pvp cus they are so hard core carebear.
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Leeluvv
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.17 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Leeluvv on 17/04/2009 19:56:32 Edited by: Leeluvv on 17/04/2009 19:54:47
Originally by: Jade TX Cerb with some skillage can do 700 DPS with a buffer tank, all damage mods with heavy assault. Don't ask how it just does. Its a good HAC, only prob is most people don't know how to fit caldari for pvp cus they are so hard core carebear.
Hmm,
All Level V skills 5 x HAM II Terror Rage Missiles 4 x BCS II
DPS = 534
Love to know where your 700 DPS comes from. Most people here play in a game called Eve, not EFT La La land, so you may wish to make a relevant post next time.
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.04.17 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jade TX Cerb with some skillage can do 700 DPS with a buffer tank, all damage mods with heavy assault. Don't ask how it just does. Its a good HAC, only prob is most people don't know how to fit caldari for pvp cus they are so hard core carebear.
Especially you gotta know it with your 700Dps Cerberus.
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IceAero
Amarr Shadow Company
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Posted - 2009.04.17 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jade TX Cerb with some skillage can do 700 DPS with a buffer tank, all damage mods with heavy assault. Don't ask how it just does. Its a good HAC, only prob is most people don't know how to fit caldari for pvp cus they are so hard core carebear.
WTB bookmark in 0.0 where I can find a pilot flying the cerb with t2 rigs and every missile implant. |
AnzacPaul
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Posted - 2009.04.18 02:04:00 -
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/signed for cerb fixing, rook is now a good ship, besides the fact it will be primary in every battle known :)
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Dez Affinity
Evocati.
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Posted - 2009.04.18 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jade TX Cerb with some skillage can do 700 DPS with a buffer tank, all damage mods with heavy assault. Don't ask how it just does. Its a good HAC, only prob is most people don't know how to fit caldari for pvp cus they are so hard core carebear.
700? Mmmm not without literally max skills and the best implants. Also fitting those damage rigs on with such **** poor cpu is quite difficult too. You're talking more about 500 dps. You're right though it can get a decent buffer at something like 50k ehp. Problem is you then have no web, no mwd, no afterburner. No way to dictate range which is what you want to do in a cerb really.
Fact is the Cerb is pretty terrible. Caracal Navy Issue is practically on par with it. _______________
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Jade TX
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Posted - 2009.04.18 05:01:00 -
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Edited by: Jade TX on 18/04/2009 05:03:21 Wrong! 2 implants for DPS, only T1 rigs, and that lovely thing called overloading. I have a EHP of 64k, and 687 DPS. T2 damage rig or a 4th BCS will give you 728 DPS. 40km range, I use this in gate camps. Don't need webs or disruptors, with tacklers and HIC's doing that for you. Needs no damage rigs.
[Cerberus, New Setup 2] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile [empty high slot]
Ancillary Current Router I Core Defence Field Extender I
Overloading, maybe you should train for it sometime. This is what carebears don't have skills for. Maybe if you had it you could actoually get more then 500 DPS from a ship you don't know how to fit for gank.
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Jade TX
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Posted - 2009.04.18 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: IceAero
Originally by: Jade TX Cerb with some skillage can do 700 DPS with a buffer tank, all damage mods with heavy assault. Don't ask how it just does. Its a good HAC, only prob is most people don't know how to fit caldari for pvp cus they are so hard core carebear.
WTB bookmark in 0.0 where I can find a pilot flying the cerb with t2 rigs and every missile implant.
It doesn't take T2 rigs to get 700 DPS from a Cerb... Super Noob. And if your podded with expensive implants even tho it doesn't even take 5%'s to get that kind of damage, your doing something wrong or are really a unlucky noob at PVP or just have really sucky missile skills.
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rubico1337
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Posted - 2009.04.18 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jade TX Edited by: Jade TX on 18/04/2009 05:03:21 Wrong! 2 implants for DPS, only T1 rigs, and that lovely thing called overloading.
yes, because you can sustain overloading for an entire fight
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Rip Striker
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Posted - 2009.04.18 06:12:00 -
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Edited by: Rip Striker on 18/04/2009 06:15:23 Fact remains, when using non-kinetic missiles the Rook outdamages the Cerberus up to 45 km due to drones. Beyond that range they dish out equal damage up to approximately ~150 km. Beyond ~150km the Cerb really shines...
Conclusion, up to ~150 km you really want the Rook and not the Cerb, because it can deal dps AND jam ;)
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.18 07:50:00 -
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Welcome to the world of Lachesis vs. Deimos.
How are things on the Amarr and Minny sides? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.04.18 08:35:00 -
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Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 18/04/2009 08:40:38
Originally by: Tippia ... Minny sides?
split weapons... what can i say...
[Huginn, dumb dps] Gyrostabilizer II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
[empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile
Bay Loading Accelerator I Projectile Burst Aerator I
Hammerhead II x3 Hobgoblin II x2 - putting the gist back into logistics |
Jhagiti Tyran
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2009.04.18 10:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran on 18/04/2009 10:29:11 When gang sizes go up the Rook has one massive disadvantage over the cerb and that's the big "Hey look guise primary me!" sign painted on the side, unless your fighting 5 man gangs or in a gang heavily EW focused even with a four or five slot tank its going to go down fast against heavy DPS BCs or HACs let alone BS. The other thing that makes me wonder with the ultra short range ECM is will it suffer from the same problem as the Kitsune which is a marked vulnerability to snipers, the Kitsunes speed and ECM keeps it safe from most things except for snipers because of its gimped lock range it cannot use its ECM to protect itself and while the Rook still has its massive lock range if its attacked by several snipers it can do nothing about it except attempt to get out any bubbles and jam tacklers.
Originally by: Rip Striker Edited by: Rip Striker on 18/04/2009 06:15:23 Fact remains, when using non-kinetic missiles the Rook outdamages the Cerberus up to 45 km due to drones. Beyond that range they dish out equal damage up to approximately ~150 km. Beyond ~150km the Cerb really shines...
Conclusion, up to ~150 km you really want the Rook and not the Cerb, because it can deal dps AND jam ;)
Personally I like to avoid flying my Cerb within the current ECM range. -
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Eternum Pariah
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Posted - 2009.04.18 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jade TX Edited by: Jade TX on 18/04/2009 05:03:21 Wrong! 2 implants for DPS, only T1 rigs, and that lovely thing called overloading. I have a EHP of 64k, and 687 DPS. T2 damage rig or a 4th BCS will give you 728 DPS. 40km range, I use this in gate camps. Don't need webs or disruptors, with tacklers and HIC's doing that for you. Needs no damage rigs.
[Cerberus, New Setup 2] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile [empty high slot]
Ancillary Current Router I Core Defence Field Extender I
Overloading, maybe you should train for it sometime. This is what carebears don't have skills for. Maybe if you had it you could actoually get more then 500 DPS from a ship you don't know how to fit for gank.
ever tryid overloading in a fight? with the buffer tanks as they are now your guns will go ofline before you break it (even the aktive tank, you are able to make a tank on the rook which will restand that 730 dps, for long enough and then permatank that 550 dps.
signed for fixing the assualt ships in general.. actually just fix the recons in general instead, a recon doing 500 dps, is just obsurd.. ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
xHomicide
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.18 11:21:00 -
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This just in: the cerb is ****ing horrible.
Drone damage..lol you guys are clueless. OMG 500dps. Have you ever played this ****ing game? --- Razor CEI
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Rip Striker
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Posted - 2009.04.18 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars
Originally by: Jade TX Edited by: Jade TX on 18/04/2009 05:03:21 Wrong! 2 implants for DPS, only T1 rigs, and that lovely thing called overloading. I have a EHP of 64k, and 687 DPS. T2 damage rig or a 4th BCS will give you 728 DPS. 40km range, I use this in gate camps. Don't need webs or disruptors, with tacklers and HIC's doing that for you. Needs no damage rigs.
[Cerberus, New Setup 2] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile [empty high slot]
Ancillary Current Router I Core Defence Field Extender I
Overloading, maybe you should train for it sometime. This is what carebears don't have skills for. Maybe if you had it you could actoually get more then 500 DPS from a ship you don't know how to fit for gank.
ever tryid overloading in a fight? with the buffer tanks as they are now your guns will go ofline before you break it (even the aktive tank, you are able to make a tank on the rook which will restand that 730 dps, for long enough and then permatank that 550 dps.
signed for fixing the assualt ships in general.. actually just fix the recons in general instead, a recon doing 500 dps, is just obsurd..
This is clearly a PvP oriented thread, so stop the PVE 750 DPS bull****, please.
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Liquid Nill
Gallente Requiem of Hades Blade.
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Posted - 2009.04.18 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rip Striker Edited by: Rip Striker on 17/04/2009 18:29:55
Originally by: Rordan D'Kherr Fly a rook then, stop whining.
Wow, considerng that your last 10 posts or so were along the lines "stop whining blabla" you must have been podded alot recently.
this
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.04.18 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jade TX Edited by: Jade TX on 18/04/2009 05:03:21 Wrong! 2 implants for DPS, only T1 rigs, and that lovely thing called overloading. I have a EHP of 64k, and 687 DPS. T2 damage rig or a 4th BCS will give you 728 DPS. 40km range, I use this in gate camps. Don't need webs or disruptors, with tacklers and HIC's doing that for you. Needs no damage rigs.
[Cerberus, New Setup 2]
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No MWD = Failfit.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.04.18 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Marshal
Originally by: Jade TX Edited by: Jade TX on 18/04/2009 05:03:21 Wrong! 2 implants for DPS, only T1 rigs, and that lovely thing called overloading. I have a EHP of 64k, and 687 DPS. T2 damage rig or a 4th BCS will give you 728 DPS. 40km range, I use this in gate camps. Don't need webs or disruptors, with tacklers and HIC's doing that for you. Needs no damage rigs.
[Cerberus, New Setup 2]
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No MWD = Failfit.
But then it doesnt look good in eft :( Also you can tell it is a fail fit when you see Ancillary Current Router I rigs are used.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.04.18 20:04:00 -
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What's the point in the Cerberus or the Navy Caracal when you have drakes anyway?
Drake is about almost as fast seeing as the cerb is pretty damn slow, easily runs the mwd with its capacitor, does the dps without gimping it's setup much. Fits 3x as big a buffer tank, doesn't cost a fortune to lose.
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Perry
Amarr The X-Trading Company RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.18 20:33:00 -
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Cerberus - 1 useless Highslot + 1 useful Medslot --------------------- = fixed
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