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Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.23 09:53:00 -
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Im fairly new, and im terrible with getting the right setup for combating the respective ship in other races. I have: HIGH:7/8 slots 7 x heavy missile launcher MEDIUM: 6/6 slots 2 x medium shield boosters 1 x stasis webifier 2 hull repairers, small 1 x warp disruption field LOW: 2/4 slots 2 x armour repair, small
is there anything i can fill the empty slots with? and am i using the right sort of setup?
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Bigpimping
Pimp Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.23 09:57:00 -
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herg! I choked when I saw this setup, sorry mate
This is pretty all over the place. So you want a drake setup for pvp against other BCs? How about this...
[Drake, Decent Small Gang pvp] Damage Control I Ballistic Control System II Inertia Stabilizers II Power Diagnostic System II
Sensor Booster II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Hornet II x5
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Bigpimping
Pimp Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.23 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: Bigpimping on 23/05/2009 09:59:02 Truth be told, I don't really like that above setup, so I normally use...
[Drake, Decent HAM Small Gang pvp] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Warp Disruptor II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5
Much higher DPS than HML drake ~520 DPS, and fits a warp disruptor.
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Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.23 10:00:00 -
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my point entirely, but the thing is i need the ship mainly for support and escort than all out attack, the reason im using it against bc's is i want it to be able to combat equal ships, i have had some problems with the myrmidon before. But y the mass controls and all that, and also i do have 2 vespa and a hornet or hobgoblin.
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Bigpimping
Pimp Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.23 10:02:00 -
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Sorry for triple post But thought I should explain reasoning, in your setup you have chosen to tank shield, armor and hull, this is a bad idea as a better tank can be obtained from tanking one of the three, not all three. Drake has nice base shield attributes, so this is what is *always* tanked on the drake.
Going with just a shield tank also allows you to free up the low slots for damage increasing mods, eg BCUs and inertial stabs (better agility). ________________________________________ He who pimps, is God... |
Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.23 10:04:00 -
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right i see that and i looked em up, they r useful and i will use the shield tank idea, i meant to do it originally i think but forgot. what are the dore units at the bottom of the 2 nd post?
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Bigpimping
Pimp Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.23 10:08:00 -
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DPS= Damage per second. Kind of a rough way of telling the ships damage output, disregarding resistances of target or speed etc. ________________________________________ He who pimps, is God... |
Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.23 10:08:00 -
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i really cant use the invulnerability field because of skills, is there anythin else that can go there?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.23 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lupus Pyro i really cant use the invulnerability field because of skills, is there anythin else that can go there?
Yeah, it's called "don't use a Drake until you can fit it". Stick to frigates (or at worst, cruisers) before that.
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Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.23 10:22:00 -
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i can fit all else except that.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.05.23 10:43:00 -
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Then train for it now.
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Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.23 10:46:00 -
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not as sinmple as that caus ei have skills that i consider more important before it that r takign their fair time.
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Richard Koslinsky
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Posted - 2009.05.23 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lupus Pyro not as sinmple as that caus ei have skills that i consider more important before it that r takign their fair time.
a caldari pilot who has more important skills then his shield skills.....strange...cause shield is your base and always start from the base.
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Hairygoagain
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Posted - 2009.05.23 11:32:00 -
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You should learn to fight a ship before you learn to fly it, otherwise you will just lose it. In other words, get the skills you need to fly a cruiser well so that when you jump into a BC you can fly that properly.
I have seen Drakes die on level 2 missions because the player thought the ship was more important than the fittings or the skills. Boy was he wrong.
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Cygnus Zhada
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Posted - 2009.05.23 11:52:00 -
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Per above poster, you should focus you loadout more. You need 3 things to pvp; tank, dps, control
Having a huge tank is no use if you can't hold down the target as he'll just disengage if it starts to wrong for him, having no dps means it doesn't matter how good your tank is as you won't really survive. Below is a very nice mix of tank, dps and control. Some might argue they'd rather use dps drones but I like the extra amount of control, besides 5 lights don't exactly add a whole ton of dps.
It's a short range fit but that's good as most people won't expect a short range/scrambler setup on a drake. It's a clear case of IF you catch someone he'll die. If you can't get within webbing range it's no use to try and tackle someone (unless you're in a gang) because it's unlikely you'll be fast enough to close the distance.
[Drake, pvp] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile [empty high slot] Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Hornet EC-300 x5
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.23 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lupus Pyro not as sinmple as that caus ei have skills that i consider more important before it that r takign their fair time.
You need Engineering L4 (rank 1 skill) which should anyway be one of your MAIN priorities, then it's TSM1 for T1 invuls and other hardners. What exactly would those OTHER "important skills" be that you need trained before ? If that's "too long" for something as vital, you're either doing something really, really wrong.
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Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.23 11:58:00 -
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a lot of u look at the blank page rather than fibre thatmakes it. In other words, u may have good shields, and good tanking and good fitting, but wen im mining in a 0.6 or above, u cant get me, and i no that for me, i have the patience and time to mine with ruthless efficiency, so astrogeology for me is more important than anything else.
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Cygnus Zhada
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Posted - 2009.05.23 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lupus Pyro a lot of u look at the blank page rather than fibre thatmakes it. In other words, u may have good shields, and good tanking and good fitting, but wen im mining in a 0.6 or above, u cant get me, and i no that for me, i have the patience and time to mine with ruthless efficiency, so astrogeology for me is more important than anything else.
That might be, but the second you board a ship with the intent to pvp in it that kinda sorta changes. It's ok to not want to focus on ship/pvp skills but then you shouldn't engage in pvp. If you do want/have to engage in PVP (and I suggest that sooner or later you put in some effort to get the skills and experience) then you should have the basics done.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.23 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lupus Pyro a lot of u look at the blank page rather than fibre thatmakes it. In other words, u may have good shields, and good tanking and good fitting, but wen im mining in a 0.6 or above, u cant get me, and i no that for me, i have the patience and time to mine with ruthless efficiency, so astrogeology for me is more important than anything else.
You know that L3 mission-running in a Drake makes just about as much cash as mining in a HULK in highsec ? And that L4 mission-running, yes, even in a Drake, is far more profitable ? Of course, if you like mining so much, then by all means, mine and train for better mining. But don't fly a Drake before you're able to. Right now, you aren't. Not even close.
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Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.23 12:05:00 -
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yes, but the reason i have a drake is so that wen i do sometimes get bored of mining i have a more versatile missile boat that i can let off some steam in, nothing much, never pvp. my mining barge is the better ship for me and all the stuff im getting for the drake and the drake itself is all done thru minng assets.
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Cygnus Zhada
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Posted - 2009.05.23 12:07:00 -
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Then why are you posting a (horrible) pvp setup in your OP?
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Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.23 12:10:00 -
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reagrding mining barges, a monkey could equip it right, but wen i do need the drake for a pvp purpose which there is a good reason y i might soon, then i need ot make sure thta i have the best setup fior the purpose, because the task i need it for cannot have a single error or all might fail.
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Cygnus Zhada
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Posted - 2009.05.23 12:13:00 -
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post 1: is this a good setup replies; it's crap, if you want to pvp try this post 2: you idiots, who said I wanted to pvp, mining is my game!!! reply: well, if you don't want to pvp then why post a pvp setup. post 3: I need the drake to pvp with!!!!!
Can I be blunt and say "Make up your mind or stop posting, btw your hole attitude doesn't exactly entice others to help you out and by ther look of your setup in the OP boy do you need it".
Thank you.
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Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.23 12:15:00 -
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my primary job as it were is mining, so my main concern is mining barges and exhumers. but i need a drake for a certain purpose coming up. thats y i asked about the setup so that wen i come to use the drake for the purpose i need it for, i have the right equipment. im not telling u i want a good drake setup but im never gonna use it, im just not gonna use it yet.
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Cygnus Zhada
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Posted - 2009.05.23 12:18:00 -
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Then have a look at the setup I made, apart from the T2 launchers ( which can easily be replaced by named ones) it doesn't at all need a whole lot of skilltime.
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Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.23 12:19:00 -
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i already did, i have taken everyones ideas into account and looked each up to see which i like most. and believe or not, i have. i went and bought a load of stuff, but now the asteroid fields have returned so im mining.
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Speshtard
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Posted - 2009.05.23 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Zhada post 1: is this a good setup replies; it's crap, if you want to pvp try this post 2: you idiots, who said I wanted to pvp, mining is my game!!! reply: well, if you don't want to pvp then why post a pvp setup. post 3: I need the drake to pvp with!!!!!
Win.
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