E-peen waving and the usual haters aside i dont think any of us wants either side to be as dominant as it has been and tbh will continue to be by the looks of it.

Caldari FW is pretty much dead at the moment and in desperate need of new corps and or alliances to join them to help the situation.

The plexxing front from Caldari seems to have ground to a halt (from what ive seen / been told) the PVP side of things is limited to a couple of small organised entities who still are doing there thing but overall its in a pitiful state and the patch is going to compound things even worse i fear.

E-peen waving and the usual haters aside i dont think any of us wants either side to be as dominant as it has been and tbh will continue to be by the looks of it.

But unless there is a shift in the balance of power with new corps / alliances joining then unfortunately i cant see it changing much.

Lets hope with incoming changes it will drive people back to it from Caldari...

Why would it? Winning side gets 4-16 times the isk payout compared to losing side. I mean, if I offered you a job and said you can choose your salary. Either 2000e/month or 10000e/month, which one you would pick?

Why would it? Winning side gets 4-16 times the isk payout compared to losing side. I mean, if I offered you a job and said you can choose your salary. Either 2000e/month or 10000e/month, which one you would pick?

Did they all quit EvE or just jumped to the other side?

Snip.

Damn son, you are just bitter in every thread I see you in.

No, I just refuse to be polite to people who never deserved it.

Why would it? Winning side gets 4-16 times the isk payout compared to losing side. I mean, if I offered you a job and said you can choose your salary. Either 2000e/month or 10000e/month, which one you would pick?

So hows it going?

Was in it before Dec last year. We dropped out as a corp and joined an alliance with 0.0 and WH ops but now looking to come back.

What's the current situation, feel and well everything really?

Of course I am expecting the enemy to post here as well......

Like everybody stated, the situation is not good for the Caldari. However, you will have lots of targets and will not be lacking things to do. There are still some good Caldari pilots out there that can beat the Gallente pound for pound in small fights, they just don't have the numbers to effectively compete.

(also, Crusader Kings II is awesome)

This^^

It's a challenge, but that's why it's fun. We've only been in Caldari FW for a little over a week. Just know a lot of the time you engage, you'll be outnumbered and fighting links. I'm not complaining. They are always willing to fight. I'm looking forward to more GFs down the road.

Personally, I'm not in it for the isk. All my guys have other sources of income. We wanted to come to fight with the underdogs.

^^ If all Caldari thought this way, they wouldnt be in half the crap they are - But easier to moan about how unfair everything is isnt it.

Hrett's notion that every pilot on your side is a special snowflake.

If you are this bitter and butt hurt about things, take a step back and stop playing - all you are doing is hurting the side you pretend to want to help and while ever you spew the same crap things will never get any better.

Get a grip man and stop acting like a petulant child, my 3 young kids have more sense and decorum than you.

YAnd your prob right about people high fiving when you stop playing - Thats the point i'm making, youve created such a disdain for yourself with how you act, whilever your in Caldari FW you will never win.

So hows it going?

Was in it before Dec last year. We dropped out as a corp and joined an alliance with 0.0 and WH ops but now looking to come back.

What's the current situation, feel and well everything really?

Of course I am expecting the enemy to post here as well......

I know you would love nothing but having ton of noobies flocking to caldari banner so you could go back to farming Nourv/Tama gate. You might even be right with your analysis but the alternative of me yielding before a bunch of death threat sending a.sholes is unacceptable and you would not do it in my position either if you have a shred of self-respect.

Some of us stick to our guns to bitter end, others take the easy mode.

[quote=Andre Vauban]
This^^

It's a challenge, but that's why it's fun. We've only been in Caldari FW for a little over a week. Just know a lot of the time you engage, you'll be outnumbered and fighting links. I'm not complaining. They are always willing to fight. I'm looking forward to more GFs down the road.

Personally, I'm not in it for the isk. All my guys have other sources of income. We wanted to come to fight with the underdogs.

I'm confused about the part where you're mad. Last time I checked, this was a game... I don't blame people for shying away from the Caldari after reading this kind of thread. I wouldn't want to fly with someone so bitter, either. I enjoy flying with Superchair and some of the other longtimers. It just sounds like you want nothing more THAN to complain, and that doesn't help your standing or credibility at all.

And credibility goes a long way.

That's the beauty of the character assassination what has been going from gallentes side for the past years now. If I oppose them, I am raging sociopath who ought to be locked away, if I don't, I am a weak appeaser who should go back to mining asteroids.

Damn if you do, damn if you don't eh?

I know you would love nothing but having ton of noobies flocking to caldari banner so you could go back to farming Nourv/Tama gate.

Everyone lost respect for him years ago and he just spews bile everywhere about the persecution he's suffered, which funnily enough attracts yet more people to persecute him.

Completely baseless accusation. Caldari FW has moved. We would go back to farming the Icho/Akidagi gate.

I am not the who is spamming my enemies evemail boxes with crappy mails and then asking the other guy to take a chill pill. The guy you shed your crocodile tears for on other thread did.

Some of us stick to our guns to bitter end, others take the easy mode.

I am not the who is spamming my enemies evemail boxes with crappy mails and then asking the other guy to take a chill pill. The guy you shed your crocodile tears for on other thread did.

Speaking as an outsider you are honestly your own worst enemy most of the time. The problem is that you never try to move past it and carry on, you just spew the same bullshit over and over and over to the point where people dont really care what happened, they just want you to shut up about it. Yes the people who did those things were assholes, I'll freely acknowledge that fact, but you seem to have planted your standard and sung your deathsong over something which no one outside of you and a small group of the gallente remembers or cares about.

Honestly I've been following faction warfare on and off for two and a half years now and I can't remember a time when you havent been a burned out, bitter old vet whining about some supposed wrong that happened long ago but should be treated as a thing of utmost importance no matter what.

Please for your own sake just let it go.

I mean dude, just log off for a few weeks and take a break from the game if you are this burned out.

...Amarr on other hand still seems to be expecting CCP to save them with a reset.

Not that Caldari has been in very great shape since in the time I've been on this side, but I can understand why many of the Caldari din't mind seeing you guys leave. I never flew with you guys but I often remember seeing guys in your corp trolling general Militia instead of actually trying to help them get better.

You guys always seemed to have same elitist snobby attitude much like you are showing right now.. Lets also not forget that half the time you guys were more willing to fleet up with SoTF than your own Militia it really made little difference to most anyway when you left from what I saw.

Besides that lets not forget why you guys really left Caldari.. You guys left to form your now failed alliance with SoTF because you couldn't make it out in null sec you then came back to FW & went to Amarr. When you came back it most likely made a hell of a lot more since to go to Amarr rather than return to Caldari because bulk of Caldari fly shield fits.. Of course you are likely to find corps in Amarr that better match your Abaddon fleets.

Not to mention gives you added benefit to not have to shoot at your BFF's in Gal Militia and able to stay friendly. In all honestly I'd say the loss of Draketrain was felt much more than the loss of Wolfsbrigade. At least Draketrain was helping new militia guys instead of trolling them.

Lasted I noticed Amarr was also still losing their space, at least Caldari fail or not are still fighting back.. Might be getting out gunned most of the time, but at very least we haven't given up and keep at it. Amarr on other hand still seems to be expecting CCP to save them with a reset.

Caldari FW is pretty much dead at the moment and in desperate need of new corps and or alliances to join them to help the situation.

The plexxing front from Caldari seems to have ground to a halt (from what ive seen / been told) the PVP side of things is limited to a couple of small organised entities who still are doing there thing but overall its in a pitiful state and the patch is going to compound things even worse i fear.

E-peen waving and the usual haters aside i dont think any of us wants either side to be as dominant as it has been and tbh will continue to be by the looks of it.

But unless there is a shift in the balance of power with new corps / alliances joining then unfortunately i cant see it changing much.

maybe yes you cant "solo" or speed tank plexes like minmatar, but with the scale of fights i have seen in kourm, it doesnt matter one bit.

WBR, how dare you ask people to bring the right ships to fleets and how very dare you fc these fleets! Tch, Elitist snobs eh?

QFT. Quite frankly, I wonder why Super Chair keeps this guy around for so long in his alliance. Anyone who is this bitter about a video game and the people who play it is just a bit off IMHO. I mean dude, just log off for a few weeks and take a break from the game if you are this burned out.

Veshta, you keep mentioning the npc rats in the plexing way too much, the truth is it doesnt matter at all.
i have been a part of the kourm slaughters the past couple of days,
don't tell me that a stupid TP rat will make a difference with those 10~20 man fleets capping plexs , actually in majors and med plexes, the TD rats will be pretty much more helpful than a stupid TP.

maybe yes you cant "solo" or speed tank plexes like minmatar, but with the scale of fights i have seen in kourm, it doesnt matter one bit.

Plexing is broken, pure and simple.

There are issues with plexes that can be addressed, but they are definitely workable, and they are a source of excellent ship-limited fights if both parties are looking for one.

However changes of fW led us to decission o leave FW this Saturday.....just will have some last few days of fun killing gals and then we will seek pastures more green (or at least green).

I've never been in his corp, but I've helped him out from time to time. He seems like a well-adjusted nice person who does a pretty good job putting together fleets from the shallow pool our militia offers.

We Americans may just be better on the internet at conveying our awesomeness as people than the Europeans are.

The over-Incentivisation of plexing is...................1k lp a min or less if you solo.
That's still lower than missions and in deff plexing some times this will lead to getting more LP from ship kills well you lose a plex.

For sure on both counts, but the next "fix" is a massive over-Incentivisation for plexing with actual balance being addressed SoonGäó and the current norm of avoiding fights by over-shipping/blobbing rather than take the 'GF' at close to even odds will be reinforced to no end once ISK enters the picture.

So yeah, right on both counts .. first one this christmas if we are lucky and the other once in a blue moon

To the op ... I am around for quite long and ibs is probably the only seriously killing corp on caldari side.

However changes of fW led us to decission o leave FW this Saturday.....just will have some last few days of fun killing gals and then we will seek pastures more green (or at least green).

Ignore bitching (mine too ;) ) .... If u wanna rp enjoy, but u gonna have serious trouble fighting odds under new rules....


If u r looking for decent isk and easier pvp join gals....

Not so sure there will be an over-incentivization for plexing. Running numbers and... there will likely be many better ways to make isk in Eve than by orbiting buttons 23/7 (for example you will likely make more isk in the same amount of time by running L4 missions in high sec). If you are already active in FW running plexes, then it will be good income that will keep you in ships and fighting. But it won't really be good income for farmers.

Why would it? Winning side gets 4-16 times the isk payout compared to losing side. I mean, if I offered you a job and said you can choose your salary. Either 2000e/month or 10000e/month, which one you would pick?

I haven't checked out FW on SiSi yet (too busy with the wardec changes), but CCP is really stupid for not implementing diminishing returns for the 'winning' FW sides.

All we need is a thunderstorm, a chalkboard, Alec Baldwin in a three piece suit, and brass balls:

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/8278674/640/8278674.jpg

The over-Incentivisation of plexing is...................1k lp a min or less if you solo.
That's still lower than missions and in deff plexing some times this will lead to getting more LP from ship kills well you lose a plex.

As is now "winning" makes things cheaper, coming back from losing makes the most LP. can see how that's sposta balance but only play testing/playing will tell.

Are you adding the Bonuses to that figure? Level of System Upgrade?

Confirming when we step in 0.0 we fail miserably . Ok, sometimes we really do .


Back on topic, i wouldn't be so skeptical about caldari militia's future. And not because I think the way some ppl want to rebuild it will work, but mostly because some of the new corps that joined seem more willing to deploy heavier fleets even if they do lose. And before some people start raging that I like those cos we farm kills out of them, that's not the case.

I am a strong beliver in the fact that the only way of improving is taking fights, losing them, seeing what you did wrong and then improving from there. About 2 years ago for example, we dropped 6 carriers or so on an RnK fleet (the main fight featured in Ironclad) . We lost about 70 support , mostly bs and 1 carrier (Eddie's epic FCing beeing the only reason for us losing one cap not 6). But we learnt in that 75 minutes of fighting more than in a lifetime of flying BC . We saw how good their Guardians were and started copying their fits, we saw how good triage worked for them and started training for that, etc etc. Same thing when SoT moved in to Tama. We lost about 20 bil worth of ships only in the first week. A month later we were raping their BS fleeet and the triage that went with it (that's when the love story with WBR started) .

Some of the corps that joined Caldari now seem to be pretty much in the same mindset. Take fights, do your best and when you lose, buy another ship and go back at it and don't repeat what you did wrong last time. And long term, that's a winning strategy. Wouldn't be surprised if Templis Dragonaors or Serenity Prime kick our ass six months from now.

P.S. In 6 months we plan on kicking your ass ;)

No, I just refuse to be polite to people who never deserved it.

DnD/Shadowfed and friends are too busy shooting Minnies.
no moar love for the Caldari.

If you look at the roster of corps currently on the gal side, the only way for caldari to make any headway is for an established pvp corp to join the cause. A new corp will not have room to organically grow within the current mechanics to challenge the established pvp focused corps in the gal militia, which is a shame.

Why would it? Winning side gets 4-16 times the isk payout compared to losing side. I mean, if I offered you a job and said you can choose your salary. Either 2000e/month or 10000e/month, which one you would pick?

Yes they can. You get better by fighting people that are better than you. For many of us in Gallente militia, we know this and actively seek fights against superior opponents. We've taken fights with some pirate/0.0 corps who handed our ass to us. It really humbles you and makes you improve your game.

Fighting inferior opponents and winning does not make you better. It makes you arrogant and careless. We fought Caldari militia in Okkamon for like 3 hours last night. We were outnumbered and out shipped. We won ever single fight. We knew we shouldn't be taking these fights as on paper we should have been creamed. Did we learn anything? Did we improve anything about ourselves? The answer is no. Did the Caldari? That answer is YES.

That's because the bulk of Cal Militia still insists on flying Moas & Caracals for plex fighting instead of ships that would actually win fights. The rest being a random assortment of badly fit ships with the occasional proper fits.

It's not big secret that Ruptures, & Thoraxs or Vexors as you had that time are going to spank the living hell out of Moas, Caracals and the occasional Rupture.

You guys are a single corp that can put out a gang close to what all those mixed corps brought. You have advantage of being able to get all your guys on same page with ships/gang set up to work together. Meanwhile you fought a bunch of guys from random corps flying everything under the sun with no unified fleet concept.

Until Caldari learns that fleets need to consist of more than "just bring what you can".. then I suspect they wont learn enough.Its nice to see Caldari is finally getting some numbers but it would be nicer to see them actually fielding those numbers in proper gangs.

Thanks for sh**ing on your own militia. Saves me the trouble of typing up some sort of propoganda wall of text to demoralize your troops.

Attitude reflects leadership.

That's because the bulk of Cal Militia still insists on flying Moas & Caracals for plex fighting instead of ships that would actually win fights. The rest being a random assortment of badly fit ships with the occasional proper fits.

It's not big secret that Ruptures, & Thoraxs or Vexors as you had that time are going to spank the living hell out of Moas, Caracals and the occasional Rupture.

Thanks for sh**ing on your own militia. Saves me the trouble of typing up some sort of propoganda wall of text to demoralize your troops.

Attitude reflects leadership.

Here you're very wrong. IMO, Caracals are the best medium plex gang fighting ships short of pirate/faction. One day I'd love to get a gang of nanocals into a medium plex against a bunch of thorax's and ruptures and especially vexors.

Take a look at okkamon last night in a gang fight: In the short time my little "useless" t1 caracal did

http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13439264 -- top damage to a cane
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13439268 -- top damage by a wide margin to a thorax
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13439239 -- barely second top damage dealer to an oracle
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13439270 -- still doing respectable damage though a 4th against a navy omen

Pro-tip: lock them, press f1, profit?

Unless I'm not understanding the way bonuses work, why would they get bonuses in a system the enemy upgraded? It's not like we're getting LP for defensive plexing.

Here you're very wrong. IMO, Caracals are the best medium plex gang fighting ships short of pirate/faction. One day I'd love to get a gang of nanocals into a medium plex against a bunch of thorax's and ruptures and especially vexors.

Take a look at okkamon last night in a gang fight: In the short time my little "useless" t1 caracal did

http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13439264 -- top damage to a cane
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13439268 -- top damage by a wide margin to a thorax
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13439239 -- barely second top damage dealer to an oracle
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13439270 -- still doing respectable damage though a 4th against a navy omen

And there's only one kill against a hawk where I didn't even have a chance to hit it before it died in my caracal that I omitted.

Apart from the above, I'm not even omitting any mails where I did ****** (in a caracal, before that I was in a pretty useless ship).

Also, look back at probably the most effective plex fighting force in the history of the caldari militia, the PERVS. They absolutely RAPED with a doctrine of caracals in plexes.

I for one am jealous that you get so many recruits naturally with caldari ship skills. They are far, far more useful for gangs than the blaster pilots gallente naturally get.

Ok so I will give a full report of the state of the Caldari. Things are changing and for the better:

...

We have the numbers and we have "enough" (Id like more) FCs to lead now we will be working on unified fleet doctrines. I give it a month or two before the Gals are scared to bring their caps out to play.

I am very happy with the state of the militia from when I entered. A lot of success

I'm sure someone can come up with some ******** Caracal gang fit that could do crazy things in plexes.. Like maybe HMLs & damps or something. The key being if they did that, it would mean they were working as a "group" using gang fits to work as a team, rather than bring what ever you have relying on nothing more than blob to win.

The key being if they did that, it would mean they were working as a "group" using gang fits to work as a team, rather than bring what ever you have relying on nothing more than blob to win.

A Caracal; doing ok vs some random target doesn't mean the Caracal is still not a bad choice for what & how they are trying to use them.

There are two things I've learned in Eve and it's this: 1) Listen to chatgris and try to understand what he's saying - he is always right. 2) If PERVS used a ship a certain way, then that ship was the optimal choice for the job.

Caracals in medium plexes. Look into them.

Says the guy with 50 kills in an exequror! Serious who flys those and gets kills!

If you look at the roster of corps currently on the gal side, the only way for caldari to make any headway is for an established pvp corp to join the cause. A new corp will not have room to organically grow within the current mechanics to challenge the established pvp focused corps in the gal militia, which is a shame.

Says the guy with 50 kills in an exequror! Serious who flys those and gets kills!

[Says the guy with 50 kills in an exequror! Serious who flys those and gets kills!

I also cheat, I fly Osprey navy issues and not real ospreys...

I fear the day the Caldari put 2 and 2 together and start flying ONI's like Caracals in medium plexes.

This^^

It's a challenge, but that's why it's fun. We've only been in Caldari FW for a little over a week. Just know a lot of the time you engage, you'll be outnumbered and fighting links. I'm not complaining. They are always willing to fight. I'm looking forward to more GFs down the road.

Personally, I'm not in it for the isk. All my guys have other sources of income. We wanted to come to fight with the underdogs.

1) Listen to chatgris and try to understand what he's saying - he is always right.

so don't fly them, but if I were to fly for Caldari State, would that be where I would find at least a few like myself that see this as the whole point of EvE?est...

I'm thinking kiting with long range missiles and railguns and ECM in the Caldari way, rather than the standard PvP way with MWD, blasters/autocannon, close-range battles that favour one race over another and result in everyone flying those races ships instead of their own. I don't know what the ultimate answer to all this is, and I suspect whatever that answer is will be howled down by the majority and never implemented by CCP, but if I can find a little segment of EVE that at least respects these ideas and tries to follow their spirit, perhaps that will keep my interest...

Most likely though I dont know anyone who dutifully sticks to just one races ships.

"I fly Caldari boats since my enemies need a handicap" - Bad Messenger

My character's not "race loyal" in any form. He's a Caldari fighting for the Gallente in Minmatar ships. XP

I fear the day the Caldari put 2 and 2 together and start flying ONI's like Caracals in medium plexes.

There are a few of us on both sides that do. I will sit in a Cane or Naga when I am forced, but otherwise I just fly Gallente. There are lots of others the same way. I know Gallente arent the best or most optimal in all situations, but that is kinda part of the fun of it is making non-FOTM ships work. At least for me. It may resuslt in some lol lossmails, but I have found some different fits that work too - or at least kinda work. :)

I guess I am kinda an RPer-light in that regard. Who'da thunk it?

X G is a hardcore RP'er and he does everything possible to find good gallente ships, fits and tactics (even though I think he's generally starting from a significant disadvantage). He's an expert when it comes to gallente ships.

I fear the day the Caldari put 2 and 2 together and start flying ONI's like Caracals in medium plexes.

Yes but they all take a pretty decent amount of skill points to become competitive with Minmatar ships.

So, to sum this up - if I would ever want to join the Caldari Militia then it is crucial to have a well-skilled pilot, right? I can understand the point of getting your experience from "beginner" fights, but still I don't want to join up and fly something which is not properly fitted to do the job.

So, to sum this up - if I would ever want to join the Caldari Militia then it is crucial to have a well-skilled pilot, right? I can understand the point of getting your experience from "beginner" fights, but still I don't want to join up and fly something which is not properly fitted to do the job.

No.. our corp for example recruits a lot of brand new guys.. It's just we tend to push them into Thrashers and now starting to push them into Ruptures after that. They are easy ships to get guys into and allows lower skill point guys to still be effective.

Hmmm, I have to make an observation - how is this Caldari against anyone else when everyone is just using everyone else's ships? This has been my consternation from day one - I started off Caldari, trained Caldari, learnt Caldari battle tactics (they are quite specific and not really like common PvP) and basicly built Nalianna to be the best tactical Caldari skilled pilot she could be for her SP. Perhaps it's somewhat misplaced, but I've believed for quite some time that maximising these skills and tactics is bound to lead to best exploitation of the ships, modules and weapons available to the "normal" or "traditional" Caldari pilot. Going into Thrashers and Ruptures would mean diverting my training from the highly focussed Caldari training I have followed, basically going back to square one for a lot of things, in order to fly foreign ships with foreign weapons and foreign ewar and tactics.

Somehow it just doesn't seem reasonable. Supposing everyone just flew everyone else's ships, as they mostly do now, anyway. How is that Caldari v Gallente or Minnie v Amarr? The only identification with race is the name of the Militia. I'm reminded of some sort of mercenary arrangement where everyone just fights for whoever without any form of allegiance. Obviously it's only from the perspective of a deeply committed racial/factional pilot that someone would see it this way. What I don't understand is why almost noone else sees things this way - has the dedication to training a single race been so lost in the mists of time that it is now considered quirky or misguided?

Vexor.. it's the only Gal cruiser.. the rest are just place holders in the tier system.

My Caldari character, on the other hand, is the oldest with the most SP, and almost useless at PvP because of the racial/factional alignment. I am forever trying to figure out how would a true-blue Caldari pilot actually survive in PvP without cutting at least a few corners or making the odd compromise.

has the dedication to training a single race been so lost in the mists of time that it is now considered quirky or misguided?

lol yeah that seems about normal for most of the EVE community. I guess we all start off as one race, decide we want to be another race, and then discover yet another race's ships are better for what we want to do. I have a number of accounts with a variety of different races all so I can experience the whole different racial/factional thing, trying as much as possible to stick with the ships, weapons and tactics of each race but I find it quite hard due to the fact that often the best mix at least for PvP, is a hotchpotch of skills, modules and ships from all four races, which of course not one of my pilots can fly, or at least well. Which is why I was looking for anyplace I could do the real factional warfare thing, complete with correct ships per race, etc. I thought the statement made earlier that most Caldari fleets are shield repped meant it was at least a good bet that I was on the right track, but I'm not sure now.... Still I wouldn't mind giving Caldari Militia a go, if indeed the Caldari side is lacking pilots. Not sure how much of an asset I'd be though... :)

Thanks heaps for the feedback. I'll hang around here for a few more days, see if this is where I need to be.

And the navy hookbill is IMO the best faction (non-pirate) frig there is.

[quote=Mutnin]
Hmmm, I have to make an observation - how is this Caldari against anyone else when everyone is just using everyone else's ships? This has been my consternation from day one - I started off Caldari, trained Caldari, learnt Caldari battle tactics (they are quite specific and not really like common PvP) and basicly built Nalianna to be the best tactical Caldari skilled pilot she could be for her SP. Perhaps it's somewhat misplaced, but I've believed for quite some time that maximising these skills and tactics is bound to lead to best exploitation of the ships, modules and weapons available to the "normal" or "traditional" Caldari pilot. Going into Thrashers and Ruptures would mean diverting my training from the highly focussed Caldari training I have followed, basically going back to square one for a lot of things, in order to fly foreign ships with foreign weapons and foreign ewar and tactics.

Somehow it just doesn't seem reasonable. Supposing everyone just flew everyone else's ships, as they mostly do now, anyway. How is that Caldari v Gallente or Minnie v Amarr? The only identification with race is the name of the Militia. I'm reminded of some sort of mercenary arrangement where everyone just fights for whoever without any form of allegiance. Obviously it's only from the perspective of a deeply committed racial/factional pilot that someone would see it this way. What I don't understand is why almost noone else sees things this way - has the dedication to training a single race been so lost in the mists of time that it is now considered quirky or misguided?

Eve is not a solo game. You can do it but its meant to be with fleets.

Key thing to remember with Caldari.

They are not solo ships they are fleet ships.

Caldari have the best single line up of fleet ships if stayed all racial.

Uhmm, amarr ?

Disagree, caldari ships make excellent solo ships.

- Best agility in class, great for running gatecamps
- Good damage projection, giving you the ability to hit from range and disengage when you inevitably get blobbed (escape is a large component of solo pvp)
- Lots and lots of midslots (ewar becomes less important as the fleet size increases IMO)
- Shields - allows you to hit and run and recharge without having to dock/repair.

I will counter your offer with a dose of Wimnatar

Better agility
Better speed
Better flexibility (armor or shield) (missiles or projectiles)
Better damage
Lots of slot variations

Caldari ships are the best because HOLYFK MISSILE ANIMATIONS OMG.

You are completely wrong here. Caldari can fill every fleet role excellently except joining in with an RR armor BS gang. And then you can still be useful in a sneaky falcon at range, or come in with a cerb at range and drive off enemy falcons (150km missiles ftw).

Look at my killboard, I fly almost exclusively caldari ships except for the thrasher, and I'm probably going to switch to the cormorant like Princess Nexxala (another member of my corporation you can look on the killboards for his success rate in the cormorant) .

Caldari have top tier ships in every single fleet comp except for RR armor BS gangs and alpha gangs (and even in an alpha gang, you can fit for the same tank + range setup, you just won't be as effective for the alpha but you can participate).

So, how to make a pure caldari pilot?

Cormorants -> caracals (or moa if you want to do a blaster gang). Caracal Navy Issue is a beast. -> drake (OP ship in its class IMO) -> naga (great sniping t3, and I've seen it used as an effective blaster boat too) -> armor BS gangs bring a falcon instead for support.

harpy/hawks are decent AF's too. I haven't look into it yet, but I assume the hawk would be nasty with the new fuelled shield boosters.

And the navy hookbill is IMO the best faction (non-pirate) frig there is.

Caldari have great ships. Caracal, Blaster moa, Drake, Merlin, Hookbill, Caracal Navy Issue, Corm. They are all excellent.

EDIT: I'm not actually that sure. Rail rokhs + basilisks vs baddons + guardians.... and keep in mind the caldari fleet gets falcons while the amarr fleets only gets a curse/pilgrim. I'd have to EFT some numbers, but actually I think pure caldari might win against pure amarr in the BS dept too.

Absolutely no way, unless it's in nullsec and bubbles are being used for tackle then the fight would have to take place at under 24km at which point the shield fleet would get annihalated due to lower DPS and tank. Even at longer range (up to 50-60km depending on abaddons fits) the Abaddons would win with scorch. Only beyond probably 70km would the rohk's have an advantage, and at that range the DPS would be minimal and I doubt the guardians would have any trouble repping, assuming numbers weren't high enough that things were being alpha'd.

No.. our corp for example recruits a lot of brand new guys.. It's just we tend to push them into Thrashers and now starting to push them into Ruptures after that. They are easy ships to get guys into and allows lower skill point guys to still be effective.

I still can't see how this is any different from normal PvP. Surely FW PvP has to be more than just choosing sides, regardless of what race you are, what race's ships you fly, etc. I know I'm being a bit puritanical about it, but I can't see how flying any ship that works for you, and joining any militia regardless of your race is any different really from free-for-all PvP. The fact that there is no restriction (real or imagined) to who can fight for whom and in what ships is probably the reason that Caldari apparently (according to this thread) don't have a strong militia. Too many just give up and go to join someone else (Gallente?).

I think CCP has hopelessly compromised the game as far as FW is concerned. I'm sure at some point (probably long ago) the idea was that people would participate in FW in their own factions and their own race's ships, but all the rules that would have been in place back then have long since been watered down and/or completely removed and now it's just a free-for-all WoW-style. I think CCP's revamp of the skilling for racial destroyers and bcs could be a way too delayed attempt to push things back to racial lines, and judging by the complaints that have come from the user base, it might be having some of the desired effect, but I don't know that it's going to make much difference. It will still remain the die-hard Caldari pilots who steadfastly hold the line for the Caldari Militia.

Yes.

So my stance on this is doomed to oblivion. Given that I find the idea of training another race's ships somewhat less than alluring, I don't know what my destiny is in EVE. I guess I can just keep flying Caldari ships and wear the consequences, but it saddens me that the game has allowed complete breakdown of racial/factional alignment to such an extent. And it's at every level, too - pilots can just retrain into any skills they want, can remap for any attributes they want regardless of their chosen bloodline. Really, race means hardly anything at all, except purely as a starting point. That removes so much richness from the game, IMHO.

So my stance on this is doomed to oblivion. Given that I find the idea of training another race's ships somewhat less than alluring, I don't know what my destiny is in EVE.

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Congratulations. You just over analyzed everything and talked yourself out of FW. Just move on at this point. Paralysis from over analysis

Your destiny is to join the Caldari Militia, learn to fly Caldari ships well, and then start a Caldari militia corp whose purpose is to bring together other players who want to fly in all-Caldari fleets. Your Eve-life now has a purpose. Have at it.

Exactly what you describe here is exactly what separates eve from the swathes of other MMO's on the market. In eve you don't role a particular race / class and then get stuck with that skill set for your entire career. There are literally thousands of other games you could / should be playing if this is what you are looking for.

Please take your misguided requests elsewhere and stop trying to ruin our game.

Dead Rabbits Society is focused on an all Caldari fleet.

http://www.thedeadrabbitsociety.com/

Your destiny is to join the Caldari Militia, learn to fly Caldari ships well, and then start a Caldari militia corp whose purpose is to bring together other players who want to fly in all-Caldari fleets. Your Eve-life now has a purpose. Have at it.

As a nub (well vetern nub I was on the Gallente side 2 years ago) going into the Gallente / Caldari FW it's too late for me to join the Caldari side (-7.20 I ain't grinding that **** up) I'm not however adverse to selling cheap ships to both sides, along with helping some of the new squids I get some GF's out of with a bit of extra pewing isk, and some pointers.

I know I can't speak for everyone, but I'm in it for the lulz, and the GF's not the roflstomping the other side out of the game.

Honestly, I was thinking about joining Cal FW a while ago, but every time I see FW threads here, I know I made the right choice by STAYING AS FAR AWAY FROM IT AS POSSIBLE.

Caps added to convey that I am shouting at the reader.

Honestly, I was thinking about joining Cal FW a while ago, but every time I see FW threads here, I know I made the right choice by STAYING AS FAR AWAY FROM IT AS POSSIBLE.

Caps added to convey that I am shouting at the reader.

EDIT: I didn't read the last couple of pages because the beginning of the thread was so bad, but there is some cool discussions on those ships.

Are there any Caldari corps currently involved in Caldari-Gallente FW and are also looking for new pilots? Could you throw me some names?

EU TZ

Templar Dragonaris alliance (Dark Circle Enforcement)
Black Rise Guerillas (Germans)
Nasranite Watch - Caldari State Capturing (Most active people are finns but foreigners are welcome)
4Horsemen

US TZ

SQUIDS.
Project Cerberus - Caldari State Capturing

Those are which I know. Seems to have lots of new people popping in and out too (Bloomswarm?) so perhaps joining npc militia and asking around helps.

If you are brand spanking new to PVP I would suggest Squids. Mutinin does a great job of teaching newer players how to fly as well as very noob friendly fleets.

Mutnin is a tool who hides his forces in high sec. Join Gallente! We live, fight, and win deep in enemy territory. I hear Gallente Militia War College is recruiting and training pilots so they can live and survive the harsh environment of low sec where all the real action is. Plus, the dual repping incursus is the bomb!

Ignore this man he is bitter

If you listen to this man you will be flying warp core stabbed Condors in back water systems for the rest of your Eve life. Join Gallente, fly real combat ships in real fights on the front lines!

If you are brand spanking new to PVP I would suggest Squids. Mutinin does a great job of teaching newer players how to fly as well as very noob friendly fleets.

Mutnin is a tool who hides his forces in high sec. Join Gallente! We live, fight, and win deep in enemy territory. I hear Gallente Militia War College is recruiting and training pilots so they can live and survive the harsh environment of low sec where all the real action is. Plus, the dual repping incursus is the bomb!

Forgive me, my friend, but my loyalty is to the State only and I wish to fly under Caldari banner Nevertheless thanks for the offer.

Hey !! I have never once in my eve life flown a condor.

Forgive me, my friend, but my loyalty is to the State only and I wish to fly under Caldari banner Nevertheless thanks for the offer.

Hey !! I have never once in my eve life flown a condor.

Another new FW pilot doomed to fly warp core stabbed Condors for the rest of his life. You were warned.

Can some give me the Coles notes on Cal/Gal fw? Number of pilots. Activity. Expect short term balance?

I just logged in after a year off. Joined gal fw and it seems like caldari have been pushed back and turtled up. Is this just a recent short term thing? Or should I switch sides if my M.O. is fighting outnumbered.

Can some give me the Coles notes on Cal/Gal fw? Number of pilots. Activity. Expect short term balance?

I just logged in after a year off. Joined gal fw and it seems like caldari have been pushed back and turtled up. Is this just a recent short term thing? Or should I switch sides if my M.O. is fighting outnumbered.

Turtled up? I don't know where you get your information from but ever since the change Cal Mil has been on a rampage moving that bar up to get the good LP offerings. We are at stage two right now and I give it about another week until we are stage 3. Within the month we will have stage 4. Making plex running profitable is the last thing the frogs needed to have happen. It will be a sad day for the frogs when one plex buys us 2 Hookbills.

It will be a sad day for the frogs when one plex buys us 2 Hookbills.

Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with funding your PVP trough PVE, the problem is when PVE becomes a goal in itself.

The goal in FW has always been PvE, CCP just finally made it profitable to actually do it now. So don't act like PvP is the goal while you sit down in your station only undocking your blob to catch small groups of pilots in the tunnel system. And that is why you will lose, because no longer can you play LoL only undocking the blob to kill and still win the war.

The goal in FW has always been PvE, CCP just finally made it profitable to actually do it now. So don't act like PvP is the goal while you sit down in your station only undocking your blob to catch small groups of pilots in the tunnel system. And that is why you will lose, because no longer can you play LoL only undocking the blob to kill and still win the war.

The goal in FW has always been PvE.

The goal in FW has always been PvE, CCP just finally made it profitable to actually do it now. So don't act like PvP is the goal while you sit down in your station only undocking your blob to catch small groups of pilots in the tunnel system. And that is why you will lose, because no longer can you play LoL only undocking the blob to kill and still win the war.

I wasn't aware the Gallente cared about "The War" when it comes to running plexes.

Is this gonna be the new Gal line when Caldari start taking back systems and start pushing you guys back?

Last year it was Gals didn't plex because it didn't mean anything.. Then Caldari went AFK and Gals took a bunch of systems, so now Caldari are building back and it will soon be "didn't want that system anyway".. right?

Seems you guys have given up defending, now that it's not so easy to just out blob us.

Finally, caldari coming out of the closet. Don't feel ashamed son, embrace who you are.

I find sitting in high sec rather comfortable right about now.

Is this gonna be the new Gal line when Caldari start taking back systems and start pushing you guys back?

Last year it was Gals didn't plex because it didn't mean anything.. Then Caldari went AFK and Gals took a bunch of systems, so now Caldari are building back and it will soon be "didn't want that system anyway".. right?

Seems you guys have given up defending, now that it's not so easy to just out blob us.

We took a bunch of systems because there was literally nothing else to do. The Caldari wouldn't fight unless we pushed them to the limit. So, we pushed them to the limit.

Why would we defend? We get no LP for it. It's literally a waste of time. And you're putting too much stock into the Gallente blob. Truthfully, most of us would rather have an even fight and we've been getting a lot more of them lately. The blob is fun on some nights (the reactions are hilarious!) but even fights are much funner... I like the thrill of not knowing the outcome.

Srsly, when did I ever say it's cool to plex ? You are starting to lose it man, I'm telling you.

Where are these Gals that like even fights? They must live in somewhere in the Mongolian time zone as I've never seen these rare unicorns you speak of.

Also before the excuse was always "Plexing didn't mean anything" or "Caldari have down time advantage" Now those complaints have been fixed. When you guys were winning it's was cool to plex, now that you seem to have given up defending it's back to "we didn't want those systems anyway".

If you'd stop complaining about getting blobbed so much, you might find them just like the other Caldari are. You get blobbed because we know you complain about it and it's damn hilarious.

I've never enjoyed plexing. If I'm plexing I'm either extremely bored or looking for a fight.

Why you so mad Mutnin? Scourges of frigates are fanning out all across Black Rise and are about to take back several systems within the next few days. If you really want to defeat SoTF and their uber l33t fleets, then take back Nisuwa. I think Lock Out is daring you to.

Why you so mad Mutnin? Scourges of Caldari FW frigates are fanning out all across Black Rise and are about to take back several systems within the next few days. If you really want to defeat SoTF and their uber l33t fleets, then take back Nisuwa. I think Lock Out is daring you to.

I like plexing in Nisuwa, but honestly I have to ask... do you even believe yourselves when you say "We are just looking for fair fights."

Surely you can't even believe that for a second now, I know non of us who have been in CalMil for a while definately don't.
Simple facts of low-sec, is if you see any Villore Accords (Qcats) then you are only seeing their bait.

Frankly one of the reasons I prefer to complex run in SotF territory is simply to avoid dealing with any of you... it is also a reason why we tell everyone to stay in small ships that fit in Minors, because unless you're in your alpha thrasher / dramiel gangs you won't ship down to fight us.

You then all get pissy claiming "The Caldari never do any PvP", but the fact of the matter is we do plenty of it; we just get bored of dealing with the faggotry that follows you guys about. If you want to actually have us engage you more often then perhaps you can try actually complex running against us.

What makes me laugh the most about all of this is how regardless of what you're against rookie pilot or seasoned veteran you do the same damn thing. Kinda sad when you can't even cut our new guys a break... they barely have any skills or well fit ships as is, but then to get blobbed by guys who have been playing for years in ships they are only dreaming about flying atm

Not sure how you can e-peen waggle over such things all the time.
Frankly while I like the harder fights to win, feels more of an accomplishment when you hold the field. You guys though, I dunno. What exactly have you accomplished? When was the last fight (except for that blue op with the Amarr vs PL) where you truely felt like the fight was close and entertaining?

Doubt there have been many against the Caldari in sometime, cause we just can't field the fleets we used to.
Most of us (not all) have come to accept that is just a fact right now... not sure why you guys don't and start fighting us on a more even playing field.

All the damn spies / leechers, the deals with the pirate corps, then the overwhelming numbers and ships capable of being fielded. Honestly the way you all act, little more than a mini-goonswarm - don't know why you haven't left militia for Null-Sec yet... mind I guess not every big corp / alliance can be like DrakeTrain and not only cut it but thrive in Null.

Yea hes be mad. Try learning to pvp scrub. Stop posting.