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mightygerm
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Posted - 2004.09.15 17:45:00 -
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<Oveur> we are however releasing more and more attribute boosters, and in the next content update on the 28th, you'll see the advanced learning skills
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mightygerm
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Posted - 2004.09.15 17:45:00 -
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<Oveur> we are however releasing more and more attribute boosters, and in the next content update on the 28th, you'll see the advanced learning skills
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2004.09.15 17:49:00 -
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Oh, man!
YESSSSSS!!!!!!
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2004.09.15 17:49:00 -
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Oh, man!
YESSSSSS!!!!!!
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Kelm
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Posted - 2004.09.15 18:10:00 -
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err could you give us a link to that statement please?
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Kelm
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Posted - 2004.09.15 18:10:00 -
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err could you give us a link to that statement please?
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2004.09.15 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kelm err could you give us a link to that statement please?
No link yet. That statement was made on the IRC chat which is still ongoing atm.
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2004.09.15 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kelm err could you give us a link to that statement please?
No link yet. That statement was made on the IRC chat which is still ongoing atm.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.09.15 18:29:00 -
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\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.09.15 18:29:00 -
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\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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4 LOM
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:19:00 -
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i link or a copy to the chatlog when its over would be really nice. can you please post that here. thanks
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4 LOM
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:19:00 -
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i link or a copy to the chatlog when its over would be really nice. can you please post that here. thanks
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Stomper
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:36:00 -
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Eve-i devchat log
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Stomper
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:36:00 -
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Eve-i devchat log
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Kelm
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:55:00 -
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is there any way to know before the 28th what we need as a prereq?
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Kelm
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:55:00 -
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is there any way to know before the 28th what we need as a prereq?
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2004.09.15 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kelm is there any way to know before the 28th what we need as a prereq?
Call my crazy, but probably the current learning skills at 5....
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2004.09.15 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kelm is there any way to know before the 28th what we need as a prereq?
Call my crazy, but probably the current learning skills at 5....
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Jenna Stannis
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Posted - 2004.09.15 22:33:00 -
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^^ I agree with crazy.
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Jenna Stannis
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Posted - 2004.09.15 22:33:00 -
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^^ I agree with crazy.
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Idara
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Posted - 2004.09.15 23:15:00 -
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*******-A!!!
Idara Section Leader - Security & Warfare Member of Metatron Incorporated |
Idara
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Posted - 2004.09.15 23:15:00 -
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*******-A!!!
Idara Section Leader - Security & Warfare Member of Metatron Incorporated |
Richard Villiers
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Posted - 2004.09.16 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kelm is there any way to know before the 28th what we need as a prereq?
Interceptor V Covertop V Assault Ships III
plus everything you need to get there obviously.
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Originally by: Neon Genesis This forum is about opinion, however, you are wrong.
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Richard Villiers
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Posted - 2004.09.16 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kelm is there any way to know before the 28th what we need as a prereq?
Interceptor V Covertop V Assault Ships III
plus everything you need to get there obviously.
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Originally by: Neon Genesis This forum is about opinion, however, you are wrong.
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Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.09.16 02:20:00 -
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And when do the new clones show up?
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Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.09.16 02:20:00 -
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And when do the new clones show up?
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2004.09.16 06:06:00 -
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* Tripoli cannot contain his excitement.
You get the idea....
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2004.09.16 06:06:00 -
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* Tripoli cannot contain his excitement.
You get the idea....
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.09.16 08:37:00 -
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good, i waited for this for looong time and i already have all existing learnings (except charisma) at lvl5
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.09.16 08:37:00 -
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good, i waited for this for looong time and i already have all existing learnings (except charisma) at lvl5
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2004.09.16 09:38:00 -
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They'd better put out 50,000 of each skill packs too on the first day of release because every man and their muppet will want one :)
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2004.09.16 09:38:00 -
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They'd better put out 50,000 of each skill packs too on the first day of release because every man and their muppet will want one :)
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.09.16 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene They'd better put out 50,000 of each skill packs too on the first day of release because every man and their muppet will want one :)
some lame peeps will probibly buy all 50,000 of them and sell them for crazy isk..
Death to the Galante |
Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.09.16 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene They'd better put out 50,000 of each skill packs too on the first day of release because every man and their muppet will want one :)
some lame peeps will probibly buy all 50,000 of them and sell them for crazy isk..
Death to the Galante |
Raven Dru
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Posted - 2004.09.16 11:33:00 -
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Well if someone does by up all the skill books just wait a day or too and keep training those learning skills, Once the initial rush has passed these fools will then be left with hoardes of skill books there gonna have dificulty shifting.
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Raven Dru
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Posted - 2004.09.16 11:33:00 -
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Well if someone does by up all the skill books just wait a day or too and keep training those learning skills, Once the initial rush has passed these fools will then be left with hoardes of skill books there gonna have dificulty shifting.
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Dr Caymus
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Posted - 2004.09.16 14:12:00 -
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Mwuhahaha! I will train them all to level 5 at my earliest convenience
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Dr Caymus
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Posted - 2004.09.16 14:12:00 -
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Mwuhahaha! I will train them all to level 5 at my earliest convenience
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.09.16 17:30:00 -
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Dr Caymus, sure hope for your sake the game last's another couple of years to get the benefit out of all that! lol
Doubt I will train them to that kind of level, 3 or 4 I'd say given that they will be a higher rank. Any more than that and I would need years to make up the difference in terms of training time lost for 'useful' skills.
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.09.16 17:30:00 -
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Dr Caymus, sure hope for your sake the game last's another couple of years to get the benefit out of all that! lol
Doubt I will train them to that kind of level, 3 or 4 I'd say given that they will be a higher rank. Any more than that and I would need years to make up the difference in terms of training time lost for 'useful' skills.
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.09.16 17:40:00 -
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Dr Caymus, sure hope for your sake the game last's another couple of years to get the benefit out of all that! lol
Doubt I will train them to that kind of level, 3 or 4 I'd say given that they will be a higher rank. Any more than that and I would need years to make up the difference in terms of training time lost for 'useful' skills.
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.09.16 17:40:00 -
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Dr Caymus, sure hope for your sake the game last's another couple of years to get the benefit out of all that! lol
Doubt I will train them to that kind of level, 3 or 4 I'd say given that they will be a higher rank. Any more than that and I would need years to make up the difference in terms of training time lost for 'useful' skills.
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Jazzatola
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Posted - 2004.09.16 18:20:00 -
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I trained all the original learning skills to level 5 starting on day one back in May 2003. I've been training almost without interruption since then so I think I've seen some benefits from that.
I'm not so sure I'll be able to say the same about the advanced skills though. I would guess that they'd have a rank of at least 3 so I'll just be taking them to level 4 at the outset. I'll save level 5 for when I'm away on vacation, etc.
Has anyone worked out some concrete numbers for various ranks? |
Jazzatola
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Posted - 2004.09.16 18:20:00 -
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I trained all the original learning skills to level 5 starting on day one back in May 2003. I've been training almost without interruption since then so I think I've seen some benefits from that.
I'm not so sure I'll be able to say the same about the advanced skills though. I would guess that they'd have a rank of at least 3 so I'll just be taking them to level 4 at the outset. I'll save level 5 for when I'm away on vacation, etc.
Has anyone worked out some concrete numbers for various ranks? |
Barbicane
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Posted - 2004.09.16 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: mightygerm <Oveur> we are however releasing more and more attribute boosters, and in the next content update on the 28th, you'll see the advanced learning skills
Please note that he didn't mention which month and year this would happen. Knowing CCP, I would not get my hopes up in anticipation for September 28... |
Barbicane
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Posted - 2004.09.16 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: mightygerm <Oveur> we are however releasing more and more attribute boosters, and in the next content update on the 28th, you'll see the advanced learning skills
Please note that he didn't mention which month and year this would happen. Knowing CCP, I would not get my hopes up in anticipation for September 28... |
Shinca
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Posted - 2004.09.16 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Barbicane Please note that he didn't mention which month and year this would happen. Knowing CCP, I would not get my hopes up in anticipation for September 28...
He he, that were my first thoughts But a buddy pointed out he actualy did, just not in that sentence: from Shiva timeline dev blog:
Tuesday, August 31st: Final Castor Patch. Tuesday, September 21st: Limited ISD Shiva Testing. Tuesday, September 28th: Serverside content update. Tuesday, October 5th: Singularity, the massive 3000 user Shiva Test Cluster opened with Shiva RC on limited content set. Tuesday, October 22nd: Fedo Fest in Reykjavik! Wednesday, November 3rd: Shiva released.
Only 28th is in september so... \o/
shinca
----------------------------- (\_/) (X.x) (> <) WTB cookbook with bunny recipes |
Shinca
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Posted - 2004.09.16 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Barbicane Please note that he didn't mention which month and year this would happen. Knowing CCP, I would not get my hopes up in anticipation for September 28...
He he, that were my first thoughts But a buddy pointed out he actualy did, just not in that sentence: from Shiva timeline dev blog:
Tuesday, August 31st: Final Castor Patch. Tuesday, September 21st: Limited ISD Shiva Testing. Tuesday, September 28th: Serverside content update. Tuesday, October 5th: Singularity, the massive 3000 user Shiva Test Cluster opened with Shiva RC on limited content set. Tuesday, October 22nd: Fedo Fest in Reykjavik! Wednesday, November 3rd: Shiva released.
Only 28th is in september so... \o/
shinca
----------------------------- (\_/) (X.x) (> <) WTB cookbook with bunny recipes |
Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.09.16 21:04:00 -
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Hmm especially as you're getting less and less benefit for your skill points. Assuming the new learning skills just increase attributes the way they do now then the higher the level of your attribute the less effect one attribute is going to have. For some people one attribute point may only have a few percent difference in training times.
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.09.16 21:04:00 -
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Hmm especially as you're getting less and less benefit for your skill points. Assuming the new learning skills just increase attributes the way they do now then the higher the level of your attribute the less effect one attribute is going to have. For some people one attribute point may only have a few percent difference in training times.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2004.09.16 21:52:00 -
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Well, I could certainly use a couple of extra points in my 12 Perception...
And yeah, that's counting a basic implant and the skill at lvl 5. |
Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2004.09.16 21:52:00 -
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Well, I could certainly use a couple of extra points in my 12 Perception...
And yeah, that's counting a basic implant and the skill at lvl 5. |
Hawkio
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Posted - 2004.09.16 23:27:00 -
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hey.. whats the chance on some details... like how much will the increases be per level. will they need all learning skills to be at5 before u can train any single advanced learning skill (primary secondary tertiary etc). if there is an advanced "Learning" skill will its bonuses be stacked ontop of standrad "Learning" skills bonuses? (does that even make sense?)
i dont fancy having to train bloody empathy to level5 just so i can train the *important* skills.
waaaa details info now now now gimmie :D :D
.o/
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Hawkio
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Posted - 2004.09.16 23:27:00 -
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hey.. whats the chance on some details... like how much will the increases be per level. will they need all learning skills to be at5 before u can train any single advanced learning skill (primary secondary tertiary etc). if there is an advanced "Learning" skill will its bonuses be stacked ontop of standrad "Learning" skills bonuses? (does that even make sense?)
i dont fancy having to train bloody empathy to level5 just so i can train the *important* skills.
waaaa details info now now now gimmie :D :D
.o/
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Douro
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Posted - 2004.09.17 09:26:00 -
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*Cannot wait*
Cruiser V here I come! Large Hybrid V, well that's just gonna have to wait it's turn!
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Douro
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Posted - 2004.09.17 09:26:00 -
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*Cannot wait*
Cruiser V here I come! Large Hybrid V, well that's just gonna have to wait it's turn!
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Larno
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Posted - 2004.09.17 10:12:00 -
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http://www.eve-i.com/home/crowley/page/page_objectexplorer.php?id=692
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Larno
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Posted - 2004.09.17 10:12:00 -
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http://www.eve-i.com/home/crowley/page/page_objectexplorer.php?id=692
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loladoll
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Posted - 2004.09.17 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Celt Eireson Hmm especially as you're getting less and less benefit for your skill points. Assuming the new learning skills just increase attributes the way they do now then the higher the level of your attribute the less effect one attribute is going to have. For some people one attribute point may only have a few percent difference in training times.
my thoughts exactly. Maybe an increase with 2 attribute points per lvl would be nice, especially towards the new players. (or my "power of two" sibling )
______________________________________ live is tough and then you get a clone |
loladoll
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Posted - 2004.09.17 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Celt Eireson Hmm especially as you're getting less and less benefit for your skill points. Assuming the new learning skills just increase attributes the way they do now then the higher the level of your attribute the less effect one attribute is going to have. For some people one attribute point may only have a few percent difference in training times.
my thoughts exactly. Maybe an increase with 2 attribute points per lvl would be nice, especially towards the new players. (or my "power of two" sibling )
______________________________________ live is tough and then you get a clone |
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Delacho
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Posted - 2004.09.17 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Celt Eireson Hmm especially as you're getting less and less benefit for your skill points. Assuming the new learning skills just increase attributes the way they do now then the higher the level of your attribute the less effect one attribute is going to have. For some people one attribute point may only have a few percent difference in training times.
the benefits from +1 in an atribute are the same if you got that atribute at 5 or at 50, being 1sp (or 0.5 when secondary atritbute training) more a minute of training.
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Delacho
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Posted - 2004.09.17 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Celt Eireson Hmm especially as you're getting less and less benefit for your skill points. Assuming the new learning skills just increase attributes the way they do now then the higher the level of your attribute the less effect one attribute is going to have. For some people one attribute point may only have a few percent difference in training times.
the benefits from +1 in an atribute are the same if you got that atribute at 5 or at 50, being 1sp (or 0.5 when secondary atritbute training) more a minute of training.
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Blood Redd
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Posted - 2004.09.17 14:39:00 -
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Whats the best way to learn all the learning skills from scratch? I reckon it'll be:
Mem 1, Int 1, Learning 1, Mem 2, Int 2, Learning 2, Mem 3, Int 3, Learning 3, Mem 4, Int 4, Learning 4, mem 5, advanced mem 1 advanced mem 2, advanced mem 3, advanced mem 4, then int 5, adv int 1, adv int 2, adv int 3, adv int 4, learning 5, advanced learning 1, advanced learning 2, advanced learning 3, advanced learning 4, then the rest.
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Blood Redd
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Posted - 2004.09.17 14:39:00 -
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Whats the best way to learn all the learning skills from scratch? I reckon it'll be:
Mem 1, Int 1, Learning 1, Mem 2, Int 2, Learning 2, Mem 3, Int 3, Learning 3, Mem 4, Int 4, Learning 4, mem 5, advanced mem 1 advanced mem 2, advanced mem 3, advanced mem 4, then int 5, adv int 1, adv int 2, adv int 3, adv int 4, learning 5, advanced learning 1, advanced learning 2, advanced learning 3, advanced learning 4, then the rest.
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loladoll
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Posted - 2004.09.17 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Delacho
Originally by: Celt Eireson
the benefits from +1 in an atribute are the same if you got that atribute at 5 or at 50, being 1sp (or 0.5 when secondary atritbute training) more a minute of training.
nope, read the sticky at the tope of this forum. You get diminishing time reductions with increasing attributes ______________________________________ live is tough and then you get a clone |
loladoll
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Posted - 2004.09.17 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Delacho
Originally by: Celt Eireson
the benefits from +1 in an atribute are the same if you got that atribute at 5 or at 50, being 1sp (or 0.5 when secondary atritbute training) more a minute of training.
nope, read the sticky at the tope of this forum. You get diminishing time reductions with increasing attributes ______________________________________ live is tough and then you get a clone |
Tripoli
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Posted - 2004.09.18 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: Tripoli on 18/09/2004 05:29:21
Originally by: loladoll
Originally by: Celt Eireson
the benefits from +1 in an atribute are the same if you got that atribute at 5 or at 50, being 1sp (or 0.5 when secondary atritbute training) more a minute of training.
nope, read the sticky at the tope of this forum. You get diminishing time reductions with increasing attributes
Well, since I wrote that post, I suppose I should put in my 2 cents...
Let's assume attributes of 17 primary and 15 secondary.
Training a Rank(1) skill from level 4 to level 5 would take 5 days 23 hours 21 minutes and 50 seconds.
Raise the primary to 18 and it's 5:17:44:30. A savings of 5 hours 37 minutes and 20 seconds.
Raise it again to 19 and it's 5:12:32:38. A savings of 5 hours 11 minutes and 52 seconds.
If it were possible to get an attribute of 50, the savings between 49 and 50 would be 1 hour 4 minutes and 53 seconds.
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2004.09.18 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: Tripoli on 18/09/2004 05:29:21
Originally by: loladoll
Originally by: Celt Eireson
the benefits from +1 in an atribute are the same if you got that atribute at 5 or at 50, being 1sp (or 0.5 when secondary atritbute training) more a minute of training.
nope, read the sticky at the tope of this forum. You get diminishing time reductions with increasing attributes
Well, since I wrote that post, I suppose I should put in my 2 cents...
Let's assume attributes of 17 primary and 15 secondary.
Training a Rank(1) skill from level 4 to level 5 would take 5 days 23 hours 21 minutes and 50 seconds.
Raise the primary to 18 and it's 5:17:44:30. A savings of 5 hours 37 minutes and 20 seconds.
Raise it again to 19 and it's 5:12:32:38. A savings of 5 hours 11 minutes and 52 seconds.
If it were possible to get an attribute of 50, the savings between 49 and 50 would be 1 hour 4 minutes and 53 seconds.
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Lagar
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Posted - 2004.09.18 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: Lagar on 18/09/2004 07:20:50 yeah... training up willpower atm.. (all other exept charisma and learning is at lvl 5) i love this
wonder how far the atributes will go..
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Lagar
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Posted - 2004.09.18 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: Lagar on 18/09/2004 07:20:50 yeah... training up willpower atm.. (all other exept charisma and learning is at lvl 5) i love this
wonder how far the atributes will go..
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.09.18 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tripoli
Well, since I wrote that post, I suppose I should put in my 2 cents...
Let's assume attributes of 17 primary and 15 secondary.
Training a Rank(1) skill from level 4 to level 5 would take 5 days 23 hours 21 minutes and 50 seconds.
Raise the primary to 18 and it's 5:17:44:30. A savings of 5 hours 37 minutes and 20 seconds.
Raise it again to 19 and it's 5:12:32:38. A savings of 5 hours 11 minutes and 52 seconds.
If it were possible to get an attribute of 50, the savings between 49 and 50 would be 1 hour 4 minutes and 53 seconds.
The time gained isnt a linear function as you point out, the increase in sp per minute/hour/day is.
-------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.09.18 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tripoli
Well, since I wrote that post, I suppose I should put in my 2 cents...
Let's assume attributes of 17 primary and 15 secondary.
Training a Rank(1) skill from level 4 to level 5 would take 5 days 23 hours 21 minutes and 50 seconds.
Raise the primary to 18 and it's 5:17:44:30. A savings of 5 hours 37 minutes and 20 seconds.
Raise it again to 19 and it's 5:12:32:38. A savings of 5 hours 11 minutes and 52 seconds.
If it were possible to get an attribute of 50, the savings between 49 and 50 would be 1 hour 4 minutes and 53 seconds.
The time gained isnt a linear function as you point out, the increase in sp per minute/hour/day is.
-------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
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Dr Caymus
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Posted - 2004.09.18 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Celt Eireson Dr Caymus, sure hope for your sake the game last's another couple of years to get the benefit out of all that! lol
Doubt I will train them to that kind of level, 3 or 4 I'd say given that they will be a higher rank. Any more than that and I would need years to make up the difference in terms of training time lost for 'useful' skills.
Celt, you're right. I don't know what the advanced learning skill rank will be, but I'm sure it will be higher than 1. One of the fansites had this info but I forget which one and how to pull it up. For all practical purposes, training the advanced learning skills to level 3 or 4 will produce the most effective results. Training the advanced learning skills to level 5 will take several years to pay back in time savings training applications skills. (Tripoli, have you calculated this payback time? )
But then again, I'm not a very practical character. Being a skllpoint freak, I'll train them to level 5 just to rack up more total points. Then, if the game is still around in 8 or 10 years I'll come out ahead in useable skills And, of course, it is probably safe to assume that level 5 advanced learning skills will be prerequisite to turning Jove
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Dr Caymus
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Posted - 2004.09.18 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Celt Eireson Dr Caymus, sure hope for your sake the game last's another couple of years to get the benefit out of all that! lol
Doubt I will train them to that kind of level, 3 or 4 I'd say given that they will be a higher rank. Any more than that and I would need years to make up the difference in terms of training time lost for 'useful' skills.
Celt, you're right. I don't know what the advanced learning skill rank will be, but I'm sure it will be higher than 1. One of the fansites had this info but I forget which one and how to pull it up. For all practical purposes, training the advanced learning skills to level 3 or 4 will produce the most effective results. Training the advanced learning skills to level 5 will take several years to pay back in time savings training applications skills. (Tripoli, have you calculated this payback time? )
But then again, I'm not a very practical character. Being a skllpoint freak, I'll train them to level 5 just to rack up more total points. Then, if the game is still around in 8 or 10 years I'll come out ahead in useable skills And, of course, it is probably safe to assume that level 5 advanced learning skills will be prerequisite to turning Jove
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Anice
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Posted - 2004.09.18 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Caymus Celt, you're right. I don't know what the advanced learning skill rank will be, but I'm sure it will be higher than 1. One of the fansites had this info but I forget which one and how to pull it up. For all practical purposes, training the advanced learning skills to level 3 or 4 will produce the most effective results. Training the advanced learning skills to level 5 will take several years to pay back in time savings training applications skills. (Tripoli, have you calculated this payback time?
Have you?
Quote: But then again, I'm not a very practical character. Being a skllpoint freak, I'll train them to level 5 just to rack up more total points. Then, if the game is still around in 8 or 10 years I'll come out ahead in useable skills
It takes about 3 months for the 'normal' learning skills to pay back. I assume if the advanced are rank 3-4 they'll take about 9-11 months to pay back. Still a long time though, but could be worth it. Although i probably wont train them that far.
"Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you" - Carl Gustav Jung |
Anice
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Posted - 2004.09.18 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Caymus Celt, you're right. I don't know what the advanced learning skill rank will be, but I'm sure it will be higher than 1. One of the fansites had this info but I forget which one and how to pull it up. For all practical purposes, training the advanced learning skills to level 3 or 4 will produce the most effective results. Training the advanced learning skills to level 5 will take several years to pay back in time savings training applications skills. (Tripoli, have you calculated this payback time?
Have you?
Quote: But then again, I'm not a very practical character. Being a skllpoint freak, I'll train them to level 5 just to rack up more total points. Then, if the game is still around in 8 or 10 years I'll come out ahead in useable skills
It takes about 3 months for the 'normal' learning skills to pay back. I assume if the advanced are rank 3-4 they'll take about 9-11 months to pay back. Still a long time though, but could be worth it. Although i probably wont train them that far.
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2004.09.19 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Anice
Originally by: Dr Caymus (Tripoli, have you calculated this payback time?
Have you?
I am suddenly inspired to do a little more math...
I'll use my attributes as an example and I will assume the advanced learning skills are Rank(3) and use inteligence and memory attributes.
OK, with Logic level 4 and Eidetic Memory level 4, I will have attributes of 26.4/26.4.
So it will take me 11 days 2 hours 5 minutes and 31 seconds to train one of the advanced learning skills from level 4 to level 5. (Roughly 2 months to train all 5.) That's 57,024 Sp/day.
After training Eidetic Memory to level 5, I would then have 27.5/26.4 attributes and be gaining 58,608 SP/day, a difference of 1,584 SP/day. Let's go ahead and add the secondary attrib training into this to give us a better idea. With 27.5/27.5 attribs, I'll gain 59,400 SP/day. A total gain of 2,376 SP/day.
So let's see, we trained 632,235 SP to get those 2 skills maxed, at a total savings of 2,376 SP/day.
So, just to pay off training those 2 skills would take a total of 532 days.
Well, some of us plan on training all 5 to level 5, now don't we?
1330 days. (99.5% of EVE players run away screaming.)
(Dr Caymus and Tripoli begin training...) ---
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2004.09.19 03:56:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Anice
Originally by: Dr Caymus (Tripoli, have you calculated this payback time?
Have you?
I am suddenly inspired to do a little more math...
I'll use my attributes as an example and I will assume the advanced learning skills are Rank(3) and use inteligence and memory attributes.
OK, with Logic level 4 and Eidetic Memory level 4, I will have attributes of 26.4/26.4.
So it will take me 11 days 2 hours 5 minutes and 31 seconds to train one of the advanced learning skills from level 4 to level 5. (Roughly 2 months to train all 5.) That's 57,024 Sp/day.
After training Eidetic Memory to level 5, I would then have 27.5/26.4 attributes and be gaining 58,608 SP/day, a difference of 1,584 SP/day. Let's go ahead and add the secondary attrib training into this to give us a better idea. With 27.5/27.5 attribs, I'll gain 59,400 SP/day. A total gain of 2,376 SP/day.
So let's see, we trained 632,235 SP to get those 2 skills maxed, at a total savings of 2,376 SP/day.
So, just to pay off training those 2 skills would take a total of 532 days.
Well, some of us plan on training all 5 to level 5, now don't we?
1330 days. (99.5% of EVE players run away screaming.)
(Dr Caymus and Tripoli begin training...) ---
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2004.09.19 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shevar The time gained isnt a linear function as you point out, the increase in sp per minute/hour/day is.
That is correct.
A little bored, so I'll have some fun here...
With primary and secondary attributes of 98, you can train a Rank(1) level 4 skill to level 5 in 24 hours.
With primary and secondary attributes of 8 million, you can train a Rank(1) level 4 skill to level 5 in 1 second.
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2004.09.19 04:05:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Shevar The time gained isnt a linear function as you point out, the increase in sp per minute/hour/day is.
That is correct.
A little bored, so I'll have some fun here...
With primary and secondary attributes of 98, you can train a Rank(1) level 4 skill to level 5 in 24 hours.
With primary and secondary attributes of 8 million, you can train a Rank(1) level 4 skill to level 5 in 1 second.
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.09.19 08:36:00 -
[81]
il train all exceptfor charisma to lv 5 and anyone that gets good implants i would want them
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.09.19 08:36:00 -
[82]
il train all exceptfor charisma to lv 5 and anyone that gets good implants i would want them
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Dr Caymus
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Posted - 2004.09.19 20:49:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Tripoli
So, just to pay off training those 2 skills would take a total of 532 days.
Well, some of us plan on training all 5 to level 5, now don't we?
1330 days. (99.5% of EVE players run away screaming.)
(Dr Caymus and Tripoli begin training...)
Thanks for the calcs, Trip. So, 3.6 years to break even if the advanced skills are rank 3 skills. And if the advanced skills are rank 5, it would take 6 years to break even. Or put differently, a mere $1,000 in subscription fees from now (I'll probably get podded for putting it that way...)
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Dr Caymus
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Posted - 2004.09.19 20:49:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Tripoli
So, just to pay off training those 2 skills would take a total of 532 days.
Well, some of us plan on training all 5 to level 5, now don't we?
1330 days. (99.5% of EVE players run away screaming.)
(Dr Caymus and Tripoli begin training...)
Thanks for the calcs, Trip. So, 3.6 years to break even if the advanced skills are rank 3 skills. And if the advanced skills are rank 5, it would take 6 years to break even. Or put differently, a mere $1,000 in subscription fees from now (I'll probably get podded for putting it that way...)
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Tobius Moon
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Posted - 2004.09.19 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tobius Moon on 19/09/2004 23:52:08 I don't know, Mr Tripoli, I can't really relate to 1330 days.
What I can relate to is that at 22 Mem and Intel your getting 47,520 Skill Points per Day (for skills that require Memory and Intelligence), and at 27.5 it goes up to 59,400 - an increase of 20% and a corresponding decrease in training times for your skills.
It's true, you will have to train skills for 130 days for it to start paying off, but I was going to do that anyway.
With the other skills the payoff is more dramatic. If your base Memory and Intelligence were both 12, then the average of your other attributes must have been around 5 (39-2*12=15/3=5). With Skill 5, +3 Implant and Learning 5, the effective attribute would be 14.3 or 30,888 SP per Day (for a skill that requires Willpower and Perception). With an additional 5 points each, the Skill Points go up to 42,768 per day - an increase of 27.8%.
The payoff here is 13 days of training to reduce training other skills by more than a quarter.
It will take 65.5 days to train all 5 of the new learning skills to level 5 (assuming Rank 3 and Memory as Primary and Intelligence as Secondary) with a payoff, on average, of about 260 days (average 25% reduction in training times).
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Tobius Moon
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Posted - 2004.09.19 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tobius Moon on 19/09/2004 23:52:08 I don't know, Mr Tripoli, I can't really relate to 1330 days.
What I can relate to is that at 22 Mem and Intel your getting 47,520 Skill Points per Day (for skills that require Memory and Intelligence), and at 27.5 it goes up to 59,400 - an increase of 20% and a corresponding decrease in training times for your skills.
It's true, you will have to train skills for 130 days for it to start paying off, but I was going to do that anyway.
With the other skills the payoff is more dramatic. If your base Memory and Intelligence were both 12, then the average of your other attributes must have been around 5 (39-2*12=15/3=5). With Skill 5, +3 Implant and Learning 5, the effective attribute would be 14.3 or 30,888 SP per Day (for a skill that requires Willpower and Perception). With an additional 5 points each, the Skill Points go up to 42,768 per day - an increase of 27.8%.
The payoff here is 13 days of training to reduce training other skills by more than a quarter.
It will take 65.5 days to train all 5 of the new learning skills to level 5 (assuming Rank 3 and Memory as Primary and Intelligence as Secondary) with a payoff, on average, of about 260 days (average 25% reduction in training times).
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2004.09.19 23:51:00 -
[87]
i ll jsut train advanced especially preception just to lvl 4 or lvl3 for charisma and so on
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2004.09.19 23:51:00 -
[88]
i ll jsut train advanced especially preception just to lvl 4 or lvl3 for charisma and so on
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Buggeh
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Posted - 2004.09.20 03:30:00 -
[89]
Hm, i'll get two, maybe three advanced learning skills. Problem is, all the basic learning skills are on lvl4 atm. Oh well, let's do it for the greater good... ---
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Buggeh
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Posted - 2004.09.20 03:30:00 -
[90]
Hm, i'll get two, maybe three advanced learning skills. Problem is, all the basic learning skills are on lvl4 atm. Oh well, let's do it for the greater good... ---
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.09.20 07:11:00 -
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I'll train perc to 5, for sure.
Not sure about the rest of the skills, but since my memory stat is highest of all (), I think I'll be training a few others to lvl 5 as well.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.09.20 07:11:00 -
[92]
I'll train perc to 5, for sure.
Not sure about the rest of the skills, but since my memory stat is highest of all (), I think I'll be training a few others to lvl 5 as well.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2004.09.20 08:08:00 -
[93]
Edited by: JarmenKell on 20/09/2004 08:10:35 all the new advancec earning skills will need memory intel. but the +1 preception ( Clarity ) is precption as pimary wish is my lowest attribute and i only got 13 of it
right what i got is 20-13-14-14-22 i can still get thee 2 (14) to 15, but not sure if ill need charisma and willpower that much
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2004.09.20 08:08:00 -
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Edited by: JarmenKell on 20/09/2004 08:10:35 all the new advancec earning skills will need memory intel. but the +1 preception ( Clarity ) is precption as pimary wish is my lowest attribute and i only got 13 of it
right what i got is 20-13-14-14-22 i can still get thee 2 (14) to 15, but not sure if ill need charisma and willpower that much
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Lavondyss
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Posted - 2004.09.20 20:16:00 -
[95]
My question is whether or not all 6 learning skills will need to be at level 5 before you can train any of the advanced learning skills. Anyone have any idea?
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Lavondyss
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Posted - 2004.09.20 20:16:00 -
[96]
My question is whether or not all 6 learning skills will need to be at level 5 before you can train any of the advanced learning skills. Anyone have any idea?
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2004.09.20 22:51:00 -
[97]
yes here
sory if its wrong as they say it will be released in 28/09/84 u still plenty of time to train to 5 memory and intel maybe.
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2004.09.20 22:51:00 -
[98]
yes here
sory if its wrong as they say it will be released in 28/09/84 u still plenty of time to train to 5 memory and intel maybe.
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Jozef Meurtrier
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Posted - 2004.09.21 00:36:00 -
[99]
I'd say lvl4 is my max.I have very balanced stats, and lvl5 just is not worth it.
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Jozef Meurtrier
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Posted - 2004.09.21 00:36:00 -
[100]
I'd say lvl4 is my max.I have very balanced stats, and lvl5 just is not worth it.
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2004.09.21 19:00:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier I'd say lvl4 is my max.I have very balanced stats, and lvl5 just is not worth it.
yup same here. Lvl 4 and that will be it.
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2004.09.21 19:00:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier I'd say lvl4 is my max.I have very balanced stats, and lvl5 just is not worth it.
yup same here. Lvl 4 and that will be it.
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loladoll
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Posted - 2004.09.21 20:58:00 -
[103]
nah, i'm going to get them all to lvl 5.
That way I'm prepared for the superadvanced learning skills which will come (possibly) with Kali ______________________________________ live is tough and then you get a clone |
loladoll
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Posted - 2004.09.21 20:58:00 -
[104]
nah, i'm going to get them all to lvl 5.
That way I'm prepared for the superadvanced learning skills which will come (possibly) with Kali ______________________________________ live is tough and then you get a clone |
Arcturius II
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Posted - 2004.09.22 01:40:00 -
[105]
I hope the stats on Eve-I aren't going to be the final ones.
I think you'll agree the following would be fair:
Clarity pre-req -- Spatial Awareness V Eidetic Memory pre-req -- Instant Recall V Focus pre-req -- Iron will V Logic pre-req -- Analytical Mind V Presence pre-req -- Empathy V
all skills with rank(3) all skills with MEM primary and INTEL secondary.
possible Primary requirement as Learning V, and secondary requirement as stated above.
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Arcturius II
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Posted - 2004.09.22 01:40:00 -
[106]
I hope the stats on Eve-I aren't going to be the final ones.
I think you'll agree the following would be fair:
Clarity pre-req -- Spatial Awareness V Eidetic Memory pre-req -- Instant Recall V Focus pre-req -- Iron will V Logic pre-req -- Analytical Mind V Presence pre-req -- Empathy V
all skills with rank(3) all skills with MEM primary and INTEL secondary.
possible Primary requirement as Learning V, and secondary requirement as stated above.
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Dr Brains
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Posted - 2004.09.22 09:44:00 -
[107]
afaik advanced perception will have primary attribute perception...
Anyway i'm training adv. mem and adv. int to lvl5;) Currently i have same int/mem (20.9/23.1 if i'm not mistaken) attributes as Dr. Caymus.. too bad i started so late:/
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Dr Brains
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Posted - 2004.09.22 09:44:00 -
[108]
afaik advanced perception will have primary attribute perception...
Anyway i'm training adv. mem and adv. int to lvl5;) Currently i have same int/mem (20.9/23.1 if i'm not mistaken) attributes as Dr. Caymus.. too bad i started so late:/
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2004.09.22 10:16:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Dr Brains afaik advanced perception will have primary attribute perception...
Anyway i'm training adv. mem and adv. int to lvl5;) Currently i have same int/mem (20.9/23.1 if i'm not mistaken) attributes as Dr. Caymus.. too bad i started so late:/
Care to explain where you can see that detailed info about your attributes? Mine are 11 and 10 (int and mem). I don't see any other numbers. Perhaps your mistaken? _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions.
(\_/) (x.x) This is what's left of Bunny, the rest tasted delicious. |
Kuolematon
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Posted - 2004.09.22 10:16:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Dr Brains afaik advanced perception will have primary attribute perception...
Anyway i'm training adv. mem and adv. int to lvl5;) Currently i have same int/mem (20.9/23.1 if i'm not mistaken) attributes as Dr. Caymus.. too bad i started so late:/
Care to explain where you can see that detailed info about your attributes? Mine are 11 and 10 (int and mem). I don't see any other numbers. Perhaps your mistaken? _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions.
(\_/) (x.x) This is what's left of Bunny, the rest tasted delicious. |
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Loud Bob
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Posted - 2004.09.22 14:38:00 -
[111]
I don't think the focus skill will be high on my list as my willpower is already at 27 (with +3 implant).
But i will definatly benefit from traing the rest:
Intelligence: 18 (with +3 implant) Memory: 12 Perception: 13 (with +3 implant) Charisma: 12 (with +3 implant)
I could also do with a memory implant too.
Happy Days will be here come th 28th.
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Loud Bob
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Posted - 2004.09.22 14:38:00 -
[112]
I don't think the focus skill will be high on my list as my willpower is already at 27 (with +3 implant).
But i will definatly benefit from traing the rest:
Intelligence: 18 (with +3 implant) Memory: 12 Perception: 13 (with +3 implant) Charisma: 12 (with +3 implant)
I could also do with a memory implant too.
Happy Days will be here come th 28th.
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Dr Caymus
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Posted - 2004.09.22 22:36:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Dr Brains afaik advanced perception will have primary attribute perception...
Anyway i'm training adv. mem and adv. int to lvl5;) Currently i have same int/mem (20.9/23.1 if i'm not mistaken) attributes as Dr. Caymus.. too bad i started so late:/
Care to explain where you can see that detailed info about your attributes? Mine are 11 and 10 (int and mem). I don't see any other numbers. Perhaps your mistaken?
Kuo...check out Tripoli's sticky on top of the skills forum for a clear explanation of the attributes.
Yup, Dr. B...my I/M is 20.9/23.1
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Dr Caymus
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Posted - 2004.09.22 22:36:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Dr Brains afaik advanced perception will have primary attribute perception...
Anyway i'm training adv. mem and adv. int to lvl5;) Currently i have same int/mem (20.9/23.1 if i'm not mistaken) attributes as Dr. Caymus.. too bad i started so late:/
Care to explain where you can see that detailed info about your attributes? Mine are 11 and 10 (int and mem). I don't see any other numbers. Perhaps your mistaken?
Kuo...check out Tripoli's sticky on top of the skills forum for a clear explanation of the attributes.
Yup, Dr. B...my I/M is 20.9/23.1
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.09.22 23:01:00 -
[115]
Level 4 or level 5... hmm... decisions, decisions...
/me flips a coin
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.09.22 23:01:00 -
[116]
Level 4 or level 5... hmm... decisions, decisions...
/me flips a coin
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2004.09.24 00:15:00 -
[117]
Edited by: JarmenKell on 24/09/2004 00:17:11 less than a month all at 5, now its all past, and i don t regret it as lvl 4 hardly take 20h it smore like 16 h 17h 19h . . oh yeah charisma is still at 4 ,,, f that man, who wants to socialise with stupid agents anyway
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2004.09.24 00:15:00 -
[118]
Edited by: JarmenKell on 24/09/2004 00:17:11 less than a month all at 5, now its all past, and i don t regret it as lvl 4 hardly take 20h it smore like 16 h 17h 19h . . oh yeah charisma is still at 4 ,,, f that man, who wants to socialise with stupid agents anyway
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2004.09.24 00:45:00 -
[119]
Just for the sake of being exact, as I like to be...I finally went ahead and did exact calculations for how long it'd take to train all the advanced learning skills to level 5 with my attributes of 22.00/22.00.
58 days 18 hours 3 minutes.
Not too bad. ---
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2004.09.24 00:45:00 -
[120]
Just for the sake of being exact, as I like to be...I finally went ahead and did exact calculations for how long it'd take to train all the advanced learning skills to level 5 with my attributes of 22.00/22.00.
58 days 18 hours 3 minutes.
Not too bad. ---
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MatStar
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Posted - 2004.09.24 02:07:00 -
[121]
just been on Entropy server and the new learning skills are listed, each needs the previous learning skill at lvl5 and all of them are rank3. market price was 5mil each.
eg. Clarity requires Spatial Awareness lvl5 and so on for the others
Also theres about 13 Trade skills listed and for sale on market.
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MatStar
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Posted - 2004.09.24 02:07:00 -
[122]
just been on Entropy server and the new learning skills are listed, each needs the previous learning skill at lvl5 and all of them are rank3. market price was 5mil each.
eg. Clarity requires Spatial Awareness lvl5 and so on for the others
Also theres about 13 Trade skills listed and for sale on market.
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.09.24 06:23:00 -
[123]
Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 24/09/2004 06:27:19 Tripoli, why would you train them all to 5? Just to boast that you have more skillpoints than most people? The payoffs come so late that I dont see the point, especially with the training that needs to be done for tech 2 turrets and the new ship classes that are coming
Is your only goal to have a higher total of points, regardless of how many of them are useful abilities to earn money or fight, or do you believe it's worth a shot investing in them now to have them pay off much later?
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.09.24 06:23:00 -
[124]
Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 24/09/2004 06:27:19 Tripoli, why would you train them all to 5? Just to boast that you have more skillpoints than most people? The payoffs come so late that I dont see the point, especially with the training that needs to be done for tech 2 turrets and the new ship classes that are coming
Is your only goal to have a higher total of points, regardless of how many of them are useful abilities to earn money or fight, or do you believe it's worth a shot investing in them now to have them pay off much later?
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2004.09.24 08:10:00 -
[125]
I do believe trip's intended goal was to have every skill in the game, as well as having as many skill points as possible...
Me personally, I'll be training em to 4, and to lvl5 when I run out of other things to train (damn new gunnery/ship skills) ----------- "Remember people: Omber is the biggest evil ever created, DO NOT let it get to you!" Waagaa Ktlehr, BDCI
I have a blog
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2004.09.24 08:10:00 -
[126]
I do believe trip's intended goal was to have every skill in the game, as well as having as many skill points as possible...
Me personally, I'll be training em to 4, and to lvl5 when I run out of other things to train (damn new gunnery/ship skills) ----------- "Remember people: Omber is the biggest evil ever created, DO NOT let it get to you!" Waagaa Ktlehr, BDCI
I have a blog
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Dr Caymus
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Posted - 2004.09.24 14:13:00 -
[127]
Less than two months to train the advanced skills to level 5...a mere blink in time in the grander scheme of things
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Dr Caymus
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Posted - 2004.09.24 14:13:00 -
[128]
Less than two months to train the advanced skills to level 5...a mere blink in time in the grander scheme of things
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.09.24 15:19:00 -
[129]
Has it been confirmed that adv learning skills will be on the market?
I heard a few weeks back that they would only be available through agent missions at first...
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.09.24 15:19:00 -
[130]
Has it been confirmed that adv learning skills will be on the market?
I heard a few weeks back that they would only be available through agent missions at first...
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Azondi
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Posted - 2004.09.24 18:17:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Arcturius II I hope the stats on Eve-I aren't going to be the final ones.
I think you'll agree the following would be fair:
Clarity pre-req -- Spatial Awareness V Eidetic Memory pre-req -- Instant Recall V Focus pre-req -- Iron will V Logic pre-req -- Analytical Mind V Presence pre-req -- Empathy V
all skills with rank(3) all skills with MEM primary and INTEL secondary.
possible Primary requirement as Learning V, and secondary requirement as stated above.
I agree with you...Learning 5 should be a requirement as well as the associated skill to Level 5. MEM and INT should be the primary and secondary attributes...skills should be rank 2 or 3 as well.
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Azondi
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Posted - 2004.09.24 18:17:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Arcturius II I hope the stats on Eve-I aren't going to be the final ones.
I think you'll agree the following would be fair:
Clarity pre-req -- Spatial Awareness V Eidetic Memory pre-req -- Instant Recall V Focus pre-req -- Iron will V Logic pre-req -- Analytical Mind V Presence pre-req -- Empathy V
all skills with rank(3) all skills with MEM primary and INTEL secondary.
possible Primary requirement as Learning V, and secondary requirement as stated above.
I agree with you...Learning 5 should be a requirement as well as the associated skill to Level 5. MEM and INT should be the primary and secondary attributes...skills should be rank 2 or 3 as well.
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.09.24 19:44:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Tripoli Just for the sake of being exact, as I like to be...I finally went ahead and did exact calculations for how long it'd take to train all the advanced learning skills to level 5 with my attributes of 22.00/22.00.
58 days 18 hours 3 minutes.
Not too bad.
Did you account for the fact that as you learn these learning skills it will take less time to learn the next one since your stats are improving?
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.09.24 19:44:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Tripoli Just for the sake of being exact, as I like to be...I finally went ahead and did exact calculations for how long it'd take to train all the advanced learning skills to level 5 with my attributes of 22.00/22.00.
58 days 18 hours 3 minutes.
Not too bad.
Did you account for the fact that as you learn these learning skills it will take less time to learn the next one since your stats are improving?
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2004.09.24 20:14:00 -
[135]
guys i heard tripoli learns 1.7 mills a month. most people don t even lear a million i jsut finished learning skills to 5, and i see the changes all ready.
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2004.09.24 20:14:00 -
[136]
guys i heard tripoli learns 1.7 mills a month. most people don t even lear a million i jsut finished learning skills to 5, and i see the changes all ready.
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2004.09.25 06:34:00 -
[137]
Originally by: S'Daria
Originally by: Tripoli Just for the sake of being exact, as I like to be...I finally went ahead and did exact calculations for how long it'd take to train all the advanced learning skills to level 5 with my attributes of 22.00/22.00.
58 days 18 hours 3 minutes.
Not too bad.
Did you account for the fact that as you learn these learning skills it will take less time to learn the next one since your stats are improving?
Yes I did; however, it is now known that they are not all int/mem skills, so it will take a bit longer. ---
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2004.09.25 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: S'Daria
Originally by: Tripoli Just for the sake of being exact, as I like to be...I finally went ahead and did exact calculations for how long it'd take to train all the advanced learning skills to level 5 with my attributes of 22.00/22.00.
58 days 18 hours 3 minutes.
Not too bad.
Did you account for the fact that as you learn these learning skills it will take less time to learn the next one since your stats are improving?
Yes I did; however, it is now known that they are not all int/mem skills, so it will take a bit longer. ---
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2004.09.25 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 24/09/2004 06:27:19 Tripoli, why would you train them all to 5? Just to boast that you have more skillpoints than most people? The payoffs come so late that I dont see the point, especially with the training that needs to be done for tech 2 turrets and the new ship classes that are coming
Is your only goal to have a higher total of points, regardless of how many of them are useful abilities to earn money or fight, or do you believe it's worth a shot investing in them now to have them pay off much later?
Long time, no see, Bob.....but then that's probably a good thing for me.
It's not about having useful skills for me so much, that's what my alt is for. It's not really about having the most SP, because I never will thanks to Caymus and a few others.
For me I enjoy the training. The faster it goes the better. Imagine training a Rank(3) skill from 0 to level 5 in less than 13 days. Or training a Rank(1) from 4 to 5 in 3 days 13 hours. THAT'S what it's all about.
I will most likely train little or nothing until they are all done being maxed out. ---
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2004.09.25 06:41:00 -
[140]
Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 24/09/2004 06:27:19 Tripoli, why would you train them all to 5? Just to boast that you have more skillpoints than most people? The payoffs come so late that I dont see the point, especially with the training that needs to be done for tech 2 turrets and the new ship classes that are coming
Is your only goal to have a higher total of points, regardless of how many of them are useful abilities to earn money or fight, or do you believe it's worth a shot investing in them now to have them pay off much later?
Long time, no see, Bob.....but then that's probably a good thing for me.
It's not about having useful skills for me so much, that's what my alt is for. It's not really about having the most SP, because I never will thanks to Caymus and a few others.
For me I enjoy the training. The faster it goes the better. Imagine training a Rank(3) skill from 0 to level 5 in less than 13 days. Or training a Rank(1) from 4 to 5 in 3 days 13 hours. THAT'S what it's all about.
I will most likely train little or nothing until they are all done being maxed out. ---
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TimeKeepr
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Posted - 2004.09.25 19:19:00 -
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even though it would take forever to recoup the time spent training the adv learn skills to 5, it would still be nice to have them maxed out so if a skill comes along that you hadnt planned on training, you know it would train as fast as possible having the learning skills maxed out.
if anything, i think id train the adv learning skills to 5 for my lower attributes, like percep and will, to get the most benefit from the long train times.
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TimeKeepr
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Posted - 2004.09.25 19:19:00 -
[142]
even though it would take forever to recoup the time spent training the adv learn skills to 5, it would still be nice to have them maxed out so if a skill comes along that you hadnt planned on training, you know it would train as fast as possible having the learning skills maxed out.
if anything, i think id train the adv learning skills to 5 for my lower attributes, like percep and will, to get the most benefit from the long train times.
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.09.25 19:54:00 -
[143]
Timekeeper, only problem with that now is that the advanced learning skills are based off the attribute your trying to train, so the related advanced skill will also be the one that will take the longest to learn I'm afraid!
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.09.25 19:54:00 -
[144]
Timekeeper, only problem with that now is that the advanced learning skills are based off the attribute your trying to train, so the related advanced skill will also be the one that will take the longest to learn I'm afraid!
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2004.09.25 22:30:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Celt Eireson Timekeeper, only problem with that now is that the advanced learning skills are based off the attribute your trying to train, so the related advanced skill will also be the one that will take the longest to learn I'm afraid!
its the only way to stop people like me with 20 intel and 22 meory taking advantage
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2004.09.25 22:30:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Celt Eireson Timekeeper, only problem with that now is that the advanced learning skills are based off the attribute your trying to train, so the related advanced skill will also be the one that will take the longest to learn I'm afraid!
its the only way to stop people like me with 20 intel and 22 meory taking advantage
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Bhal'rog
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Posted - 2004.09.25 22:52:00 -
[147]
So no Learning 5 then?
If so cool. I left Learning at level 4 well over a year ago and would have broken even by now. I would really have regretted that descion if Learning 5 was a requirement.
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Bhal'rog
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Posted - 2004.09.25 22:52:00 -
[148]
So no Learning 5 then?
If so cool. I left Learning at level 4 well over a year ago and would have broken even by now. I would really have regretted that descion if Learning 5 was a requirement.
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Swordmaster Idaho
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Posted - 2004.09.25 23:03:00 -
[149]
I was just on Entropy and looked at the price of these new skills. They are almost 5 mil a piece! That is a huge increase over the regular learning skills which cost around 50,000 isk. Yes I have a great deal of money, but still. To spend 20 million isk for something that the devs believe to be important for Shiva training is a bit much. The price on Entropy may be wrong and that would be good. 500k is a better price for these skills. Not everyone has 20 mil to sink into a grand total of 4 skills. |
Swordmaster Idaho
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Posted - 2004.09.25 23:03:00 -
[150]
I was just on Entropy and looked at the price of these new skills. They are almost 5 mil a piece! That is a huge increase over the regular learning skills which cost around 50,000 isk. Yes I have a great deal of money, but still. To spend 20 million isk for something that the devs believe to be important for Shiva training is a bit much. The price on Entropy may be wrong and that would be good. 500k is a better price for these skills. Not everyone has 20 mil to sink into a grand total of 4 skills. |
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WhiteTiger
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Posted - 2004.09.26 04:29:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Swordmaster Idaho I was just on Entropy and looked at the price of these new skills. They are almost 5 mil a piece! That is a huge increase over the regular learning skills which cost around 50,000 isk. Yes I have a great deal of money, but still. To spend 20 million isk for something that the devs believe to be important for Shiva training is a bit much. The price on Entropy may be wrong and that would be good. 500k is a better price for these skills. Not everyone has 20 mil to sink into a grand total of 4 skills.
Considering +3 implants often hover around the 20 mil mark for one implant that adds +3 to one attribute and is lost every time you get podded, these skills are cheap. Once you buy them once you will always have them unless you forget to buy a clone.
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WhiteTiger
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Posted - 2004.09.26 04:29:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Swordmaster Idaho I was just on Entropy and looked at the price of these new skills. They are almost 5 mil a piece! That is a huge increase over the regular learning skills which cost around 50,000 isk. Yes I have a great deal of money, but still. To spend 20 million isk for something that the devs believe to be important for Shiva training is a bit much. The price on Entropy may be wrong and that would be good. 500k is a better price for these skills. Not everyone has 20 mil to sink into a grand total of 4 skills.
Considering +3 implants often hover around the 20 mil mark for one implant that adds +3 to one attribute and is lost every time you get podded, these skills are cheap. Once you buy them once you will always have them unless you forget to buy a clone.
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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2004.09.27 11:50:00 -
[153]
There is another training time factor that is meant to be in the game soon - Boosters.
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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2004.09.27 11:50:00 -
[154]
There is another training time factor that is meant to be in the game soon - Boosters.
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Loud Bob
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Posted - 2004.09.27 12:10:00 -
[155]
Boosters have been confirmed by CCP. Can't remember when they will be available tho'
BY THE WAY, i was wondering if any more clones had been released for those people who have more than 19.2 mill sp's?
Can't check atm (at work).
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Loud Bob
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Posted - 2004.09.27 12:10:00 -
[156]
Boosters have been confirmed by CCP. Can't remember when they will be available tho'
BY THE WAY, i was wondering if any more clones had been released for those people who have more than 19.2 mill sp's?
Can't check atm (at work).
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jukriamrr
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Posted - 2004.09.27 12:22:00 -
[157]
With +3 in MEM/INT/PERC/WILL (advanced and +3 implants):
- INT 24.2 - PERC 20.9 - CHA 6 (definitely not a trader) - WILL 18.7 - MEM 20.9
With +4:
- INT 25.3 - PERC 22 - CHA 6 - WILL 19.8 - MEM 22
Level 4 worth it, imho, but not 5. wait & see :)
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jukriamrr
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Posted - 2004.09.27 12:22:00 -
[158]
With +3 in MEM/INT/PERC/WILL (advanced and +3 implants):
- INT 24.2 - PERC 20.9 - CHA 6 (definitely not a trader) - WILL 18.7 - MEM 20.9
With +4:
- INT 25.3 - PERC 22 - CHA 6 - WILL 19.8 - MEM 22
Level 4 worth it, imho, but not 5. wait & see :)
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Eviljohn
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Posted - 2004.11.16 00:09:00 -
[159]
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Eviljohn
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Posted - 2004.11.16 00:09:00 -
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Dink Rainer
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Posted - 2004.11.16 05:08:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Eviljohn
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Dink Rainer
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Posted - 2004.11.16 05:08:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Eviljohn
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Nerhtal Al'Thali
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Posted - 2004.11.16 11:06:00 -
[163]
bloody useless bumpage !
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Nerhtal Al'Thali
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Posted - 2004.11.16 11:06:00 -
[164]
bloody useless bumpage !
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