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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries Alliance not Found
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Posted - 2012.05.31 00:07:00 -
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CCP Delegate Zero wrote: I've seen many complaints in the past about 'ridiculous stories' ("why would we care about a few dozen miners trapped in an asteroid?" "why are we hearing about a food riot in which five people were killed?")
If it's the story I'm thinking of, in the lead-up towards FW hitting IIRC, I was part of a group of players who imported Antibiotics, Frozen Food, Frozen Plant Seeds...etc. to the beleaguered station. I think we moved around 20k m3 of relief supplies to the area in a humanitarian effort.
The only complaint we had about that news story was that once we'd moved the stuff there was no system by which to distribute it to those in need in place. The supplies sat in our hangars rather than disappearing from the game and leaving us with a sense of satisfaction in a job well done.
Stories like that can be a useful baseline for the RP side of things - but in that particular case it would have worked a lot better if, for example, an NPC buy order had been set on that station for the various needed supplies to provide a direct and immediate conclusion to the RP effort - of course an NPC buy order for Antibiotics @0.01 ISK at that station would have immediately been trumped by more global buy orders at a higher price (WTB contracts would probably be a better option (although again would have to be obviously NPC), although I can't recall whether contracts had been introduced at the time...). |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2012.05.31 07:13:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote:I totally agree with the sentiment that the lore should set the stage for player interaction. Individual players can take or leave their personal involvement in the lore, but as has been said repeatedly in this thread, anyone pretending to fly a spaceship is part of the narrative world and it's just the way the grand story is told that needs focus.
Goonswarm's Permageddon provides a perfect opportunity to explore how the world beyond capsuleers would react to the mass destruction of mining fleets and the economic ramifications. Lore-based coverage of the events could be delivered in Scope reports, Chronicles and other forms of audio and video. Either the Goons (and other participants) wouldn't care and would just carry on with their gameplay, or more likely they'd quite enjoy the attention and play up to it (read: try to break it). Either way it would be the perfect collision of a demographic not usually associated with the lore and events that could generate some interesting fiction.
Everyone is a winner.
Perfect, exept either the Interstellar Correspondants is either muzzled by CCP, understaffed or lacking motivation.
A clarification of how Interstellar Correspondants actually works and what its for (and then seeing them do that) would help us all. N'maro Makari Director of Public Relations The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:43:00 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:The only complaint we had about that news story was that once we'd moved the stuff there was no system by which to distribute it to those in need in place. The supplies sat in our hangars rather than disappearing from the game and leaving us with a sense of satisfaction in a job well done.
Stories like that can be a useful baseline for the RP side of things - but in that particular case it would have worked a lot better if, for example, an NPC buy order had been set on that station for the various needed supplies to provide a direct and immediate conclusion to the RP effort[..] This. Join in game channel/mailing list: New Eden Racing Sub-warp racing event thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107164 |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:59:00 -
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How do roleplayers continue to enjoy EVE when they are a tiny minority and ridiculed by almost everyone else all the time? I imagine being a roleplayer in EVE must feel worse than being a solo miner in goon-infested hisec. Winner of elections banned, runner-up demoted by rest of the body, the council controlled by the losers. CSM 7 is illegitimate, CCP should remember when dealing with them. Remember what players voted for. |
Seismic Stan
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:18:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:How do roleplayers continue to enjoy EVE when they are a tiny minority and ridiculed by almost everyone else all the time? I imagine being a roleplayer in EVE must feel worse than being a solo miner in goon-infested hisec. Assuming you actually want an answer to your question; we've been discussing the fact that the enjoyment of lore-based content isn't a "tiny minority" as you say, but a granular scale which includes general players, casual readers of fiction content and full-on hardcore roleplayers.
There really is no need to try to pigeon-hole and stigmatise people who embrace the fiction of an MMO. We're all part of the same MMO ecosystem. If you pretend to fly a spaceship, that's roleplaying-lite. You're not really a spaceman are you? You're just playing the role of one in an MMO. To some degree, everyone is an appreciator of the fictional content and therefore a roleplayer. Shower as much as you like, that's the dirty truth.
Creating lore-based content centred around player-driven activity would either be appreciated or ignored without negatively impacting on anyone's gaming experience whilst enhancing others. I'm pretty sure even a troll wouldn't complain if his character/corp/alliance appeared in a trailer or other official publication. Freebooted - Tech4 News - Incarna: The Text Adventure - Guild Launch EVE Correspondent |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:38:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote:There really is no need to try to pigeon-hole and stigmatise people who embrace the fiction of an MMO. We're all part of the same MMO ecosystem. If you pretend to fly a spaceship, that's roleplaying-lite. You're not really a spaceman are you? You're just playing the role of one in an MMO. To some degree, everyone is an appreciator of the fictional content and therefore a roleplayer. Shower as much as you like, that's the dirty truth. This is absolutely true. I wasn't stating what should be, only what is. Fact is, whenever a roleplayer sticks out his nose somewhere, he is mocked. That can't feel good?
For the record, real, in-character-speaking roleplayers make me chuckle as well, just because it seems so out of place in a game where most people don't do roleplaying other than in the "lite" sense you described. Winner of elections banned, runner-up demoted by rest of the body, the council controlled by the losers. CSM 7 is illegitimate, CCP should remember when dealing with them. Remember what players voted for. |
Roisin Saoirse
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:44:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:The Dev response is appreciated, but it wont mean jack until we get action on words.
People were pretty exited when Dropbear did the live events presentation at EVE Vegas. People were exited when the Incursion live events went down. People were exited when Arekjalaan began.
All the above and every bit of story players have even been secondarily involved in have one thing in common.
After a little while we get infamous CCP Wall of Silence.
I mean, come on, during an ongoing live event, the main Dev leaves CCP and the only way we find out is when he actually tells us on external forums? Thats ******* unproffessional CCP, its nothing but ****** customer service.
Especially becuase alot of people put a great deal of time and their own personal ISK into the project and its now been effectively wasted.
Sort yourselves out CCP Welcome to CCP. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Posted - 2012.05.31 13:09:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Fact is, whenever a roleplayer sticks out his nose somewhere, he is mocked. That can't feel good? Oh well, it's usually just the usual suspects, and you get used to it really quick. It's EVE, after all. And we keep to ourselves mostly, anyway. At least as far as the roleplaying is concerned. Join in game channel/mailing list: New Eden Racing Sub-warp racing event thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107164 |
Seismic Stan
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Posted - 2012.05.31 13:15:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Seismic Stan wrote:There really is no need to try to pigeon-hole and stigmatise people who embrace the fiction of an MMO. We're all part of the same MMO ecosystem. If you pretend to fly a spaceship, that's roleplaying-lite. You're not really a spaceman are you? You're just playing the role of one in an MMO. To some degree, everyone is an appreciator of the fictional content and therefore a roleplayer. Shower as much as you like, that's the dirty truth. This is absolutely true. I wasn't stating what should be, only what is. Fact is, whenever a roleplayer sticks out his nose somewhere, he is mocked. That can't feel good? For the record, real, in-character-speaking roleplayers make me chuckle as well, just because it seems so out of place in a game where most people don't do roleplaying other than in the "lite" sense you described. I agree, traditional roleplaying as seen in more Tolkien-esque MMOs has a harder time in EVE. It's part of the culture I suppose - EVE appeals to people who have specifically gone out of their way to avoid some hackneyed Elf/Wizard retread, so their rejection of behaviour that reminds of them of that environment is understandable.
It's a shame that some people feel they need to attack content-seekers. In a sandbox gaming environment that is design to accommodate a multitude of playstyles and encourage the player to find his own path, I don't understand the compulsion to disrespect folk who follow a different path. CCP doesn't do much to help the situation either. I've known CCP to refuse to link player-created lore-based material on the EVE Online Facebook page because they felt it wouldn't be well-received by that community.
There certainly seems to have been a general cultural shift away from lore-driven material, so those who deride RPers seem to be getting their way. The Fanfest 2012 trailer was welcome anomaly (and universally popular, encouragingly), but aside from that the vast majority of marketing material over the last few years has been targeting PvPers, so there's little wonder that within the current player population, content-appreciators and roleplayers are an endangered species. Freebooted - Tech4 News - Incarna: The Text Adventure - Guild Launch EVE Correspondent |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
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Posted - 2012.05.31 13:17:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:This is absolutely true. I wasn't stating what should be, only what is. Fact is, whenever a roleplayer sticks out his nose somewhere, he is mocked. That can't feel good?
I'm pretty sure if it were anywhere close to the truth, it'd feel pretty bad. Mane 614
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.31 13:21:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:I agree, Incursions in hisec go against all roleplaying, lore and storyline stuff. Its stupid.
It is not, Gallente are simply defenceless against Sancha invasion. It's a very good RP reason to invade their space.
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N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2012.05.31 15:33:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Seismic Stan wrote:There really is no need to try to pigeon-hole and stigmatise people who embrace the fiction of an MMO. We're all part of the same MMO ecosystem. If you pretend to fly a spaceship, that's roleplaying-lite. You're not really a spaceman are you? You're just playing the role of one in an MMO. To some degree, everyone is an appreciator of the fictional content and therefore a roleplayer. Shower as much as you like, that's the dirty truth. This is absolutely true. I wasn't stating what should be, only what is. Fact is, whenever a roleplayer sticks out his nose somewhere, he is mocked. That can't feel good? For the record, real, in-character-speaking roleplayers make me chuckle as well, just because it seems so out of place in a game where most people don't do roleplaying other than in the "lite" sense you described.
If people conformed to expectations this world would be boring as ****. Why the **** should I care what the forum warriors think of a playstyle which they dont actually play and doesnt affect them? N'maro Makari Director of Public Relations The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Nlex
Domini Canium
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Posted - 2012.05.31 18:14:00 -
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Now that you mention it, I do notice lack of plot developments and in-game-world news in feeds. Those little pieces of fiction, like a series of reports about pop-singer's connection to a blood cult, or one about fedo-fetishist, were very good for world building. They made EVE feel more like persistent universe instead of "just a game". |
Della Monk
the boltzmann experience Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.05.31 19:19:00 -
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Yeah, the big thing lacking in immersion is npc reactions to player events. Have the Empress Jamyl berate the militia deserters and call upon the faithful to take up arms, interview an ORE representative about the boom in destruction and demand for their ships and the impact of OTEC on their operations, give us a CONCORD press release reassuring the masses that capsuleer violence is still being punished and that civilian ships have no reason to worry. There doesn't have to be a flood of content, but content that acknowledges the players provides the perfect mix backdrop. |
Hamish Grayson
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.06.02 11:14:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Eve lost it's storyline years ago.
It is more of a mash up nowadays.
Things went south when they started letting TonyG touch things in 2006, so south that there is a good chance it's not salvageable, but I'd like to see them at least try. |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
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Posted - 2012.06.21 09:43:00 -
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It's an unfortunate state of affairs. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Kalea Hashur
Promethium Corp. Army of Dark Shadows
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Posted - 2012.06.22 00:00:00 -
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I would LOVE to see events where massive collaboration between capsuleers was necessary to solve a problem. Incursions are that in a way, but the scale should be larger. An event where minerals or other items are needed for the construction of something? Awesome!
Example: A plague has struck an important system and is threatening to spread like a pandemic. Corporation X (insert relevant NPC corp here) has come up with a vaccine but does not have the resources to produce it on a large scale. A massive call to action goes out and BPCs seed on the market, but only in systems that NPC corp exists. Maybe it requires PI from a new schematic inserted JUST for this event. Capsuleers flock to this system and a flurry of production activity starts. Vaccines can be dropped off at certain systems for dispersal. After a global goal is achieved, pilots get rewards. Perhaps LP / Standings, something appropriate for that corp, etc. If the goal isn't met, something else (bad?) happens. This might sound like a ripoff of other MMO mechanics, but I think it'd be cool and fun and could definitely be tied into storyline pieces.
It could be a mass call for minerals, ships, massive numbers of NPC courier contracts, all sorts of things. Incursions SHOULD be long lasting and affect systems for days or weeks, and spread / shrink dynamically. Pirates camping gates or stations? Holy crap! That'd be cool. |
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2012.09.18 19:05:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:If people don't seem to get involved with the storyline, it's because there's no storyline for them to get involved with.
Non-RPers got involved with the Emperor trials back in 2003. More than that, people who normally couldn't care less about "RP fluff" cared about the identity of the next Emperor.
Non-RPers cared about collecting the remains of the dead Jovian dude as well, and they also cared about the outcome of the Federation presidential election (although that particular event was botched more than Botchy McBotcherson's Botcher of the Year contest).
Non-RPers cared about the return of Sansha Kuvakei too. Unfortunately it's becoming increasingly apparent that the people who don't care about these things are CCP.
Agreed, Players have repeatedly shown an interest in Events that evolve the story line there is no need to be a hard core role player. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2012.09.18 20:27:00 -
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FW and RP have nothing to do with each other, and that makes me sad.
I remember back when I was a kid I was playing StarFleetBattles3 online (yeah I'm that old) and was out patrolling our border in my D'deridex (big frikkin' battleship) when I spotted some newbie in a Federation frigate doing something in our space. So I jumped into his mission, cloaked, warped up to him, decloaked and immediately snared him in a tractor beam. He fired off a few pointless shots into my shields (which did nothing) and I casually typed into local: "You are in violation of Romulan space. I suggest you leave. You will not be warned again." Then I released the tractor beam and recloaked as I watched his ship fly back into Federation space at breakneck speed.
Later I was engaged in a battle with someone flying a Borg Cube, a ship class that Romlan ships were particularly adept at taking out, but he didn't know that. After slowly wearing him down with numerous hit & cloak runs he started complaining "Stop cloaking and fight like a man!" (Not exactly in-character for a Borg, if you ask me). After I uncloaked right next to him for my finishing plasma alpha strike on his battered ship I replied "I'd rather fight like a Romulan." Like any true Power Gamer he then Alt+F4ed to avoid actually losing his ship.
Years later, in my Original SWG days, I got sick of listening to some Jedi jackhole brag about his leet PvP skills (all stats based, of course) in front of the local spaceport. So I challenged him to a duel ... in space, where stats didn't matter so much, especially against a Royal Guard TIE Interceptor with all custom fittings. He lasted less than 15 seconds. Again, being a "merciful jerk" I dropped right onto his butt and proceeded to systematically blow off his weapons and then his engines... and then I just flew away, leaving him stranded in space like a flipped-over turtle.
But that was gaming of yore, when MMOs were still called MMORPGs and before the domination of Power Gaming. These days the WoW mentality has pervaded every game out there, and power gaming is built right into the design of every MMO. There is no room left of for RP in such a world.
FW in EvE has nothing to do with RP, patriotic ideals, controlling territory or even PvP. FW is an ISK fountain. Was it meant to be like that? No, but that's because the players didn't want RP, patriotic ideals, territory control or even PvP. Players wanted an ISK fountain and so they looked at the FW mechanics, analyzed them, distilled it down to the ISK making part and threw the rest out the window.
And the saddest part is that they will continue to do so. They did it with Incursions before FW. They did it with nullsec sovereignty before that. Anything CCP ever tries to do to add content and lore to the game will be taken by the playerbase and rammed through their stupid ISK filter machine and everything it was ever supposed to be will be stripped away until all that will be left is an another pointless ISK fountain.
We have only ourselves to blame. EvE Forum Bingo |
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