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Gaven Darklighter
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Posted - 2009.08.17 19:59:00 -
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Allow damaged products to be inserted into a contract but if they do in fact have damage list it in the area where bluprint copy information is listed. This allows the contract viewer to see if there is damage and thus allow them to make their decision on accepting or not
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.08.17 20:19:00 -
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Why?
I mean not to be dense, but why would you want to contract damaged goods and not just fix them before you contract it? --Vel
Experience is what you get right after you need it.
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Trebor DeCaldar
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Posted - 2009.08.17 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin Why?
I mean not to be dense, but why would you want to contract damaged goods and not just fix them before you contract it?
because I am 84 systems away and do not feel like traveling that far to repair 75mm Railgun II before contracting it to someone
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.08.17 22:38:00 -
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no. too much scam potential.
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Avoida
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Posted - 2009.08.17 23:06:00 -
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Unless the contract clearly (and I mean stupidly obvious) contained text stating that a specific object was damaged and how much it was damaged..and then even before accepting the contract a nice dialog box should appear reminding the buyer they are purchasing damaged goods. Only after all that would I support contracts for damaged items. Hell, I'd go so far as to include a possible no-standings, empire NPC station repair cost so that someone doesn't try to sell a battleship with 0% shield, 0% armor and 1% hull remaining to someone.
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:19:00 -
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supported, and item should be noted as damaged in the contract
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Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 18/08/2009 00:28:33
Originally by: Avoida Unless the contract clearly (and I mean stupidly obvious) contained text stating that a specific object was damaged and how much it was damaged..and then even before accepting the contract a nice dialog box should appear reminding the buyer they are purchasing damaged goods. Only after all that would I support contracts for damaged items. Hell, I'd go so far as to include a possible no-standings, empire NPC station repair cost so that someone doesn't try to sell a battleship with 0% shield, 0% armor and 1% hull remaining to someone.
Yup... Contracts should tell all...
If its clearly indicated in the 'fine print' scam away... not that you'll get my ISK.
Supported. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
De'Veldrin
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.08.18 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor DeCaldar
Originally by: De'Veldrin Why?
I mean not to be dense, but why would you want to contract damaged goods and not just fix them before you contract it?
because I am 84 systems away and do not feel like traveling that far to repair 75mm Railgun II before contracting it to someone
That's a fair reason.
As long as the contract is crystal clear, I'd support this. --Vel
Experience is what you get right after you need it.
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Matting
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 01:33:00 -
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Supported if contacts do clearly state the damage as mentioned by the OP.
Hate not being able to contract fitted amarr ships (crystal damage) or not being able to contract over a ship because I overloaded a module and forgot to repair it straight away.
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Oarta
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Posted - 2009.08.18 02:23:00 -
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Not supported.
Even with damage information displayed, it would just be another annoying thing to check with each contract to make sure some isn't trying to scam someone else. I do realize there may be the notion if someone doesn't check and gets screwed over it is their own fault. However, I am not in favor of adding changes which increases such odds for buyers considering a change like this would only benefit a small percentage of individuals who have damaged goods.
Repair an item if it can be repaired, if not, then don't look to contracts or the market for exchange.
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EveFairy0
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Posted - 2009.08.18 05:18:00 -
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Fully supported and needed feature. Crystals and drones are the biggest problems.
Contraband should be also included in this as it has the very same problem (ever got a booster/tags in cargohold of a ship you want to contract over??). Afaik you can't even contract contraband in 0.0 where there's no concord behind your back.
I don't see the problem with scamming as most of the time you'll be able to repair the stuff either at station (costs some) or by remote repairs in space (free). Most of the time it's more important to get the stuff handed over than worrying about repairs.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.08.18 06:20:00 -
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Yeah, the status quo on this is stupid. List the damage, but allow it.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.08.18 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Oarta Not supported.
Even with damage information displayed, it would just be another annoying thing to check with each contract to make sure some isn't trying to scam someone else. I do realize there may be the notion if someone doesn't check and gets screwed over it is their own fault. However, I am not in favor of adding changes which increases such odds for buyers considering a change like this would only benefit a small percentage of individuals who have damaged goods.
Repair an item if it can be repaired, if not, then don't look to contracts or the market for exchange.
I'd like to offer you a 4,000 dollar deal... please sign here.
Oh whats that? Your suspicious? You want to read the paperwork?
Gee golly whiz... you just used something called Common Sense... drat... foiled again!
All it takes is a few seconds to find out if your being scammed or not. Laziness is not an excuse or an argument.
Scamming is a perfectly legitimate yet hated industry (if you can call it that) in this game. While I don't condone it... I honestly cant find a reason to shut it down either... except to point and laugh at the victims when they miss something so obvious. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Gaven's Bihotch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven''s Bihotch on 18/08/2009 08:53:07
Originally by: Oarta Not supported.
Even with damage information displayed, it would just be another annoying thing to check with each contract to make sure some isn't trying to scam someone else. I do realize there may be the notion if someone doesn't check and gets screwed over it is their own fault. However, I am not in favor of adding changes which increases such odds for buyers considering a change like this would only benefit a small percentage of individuals who have damaged goods.
Repair an item if it can be repaired, if not, then don't look to contracts or the market for exchange.
You are not familiar with the plight of amarrian gun users, or t2 miners. This is a pain and if you can't read, you should be spending less time playing Eve and more time learning your language.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.08.18 08:55:00 -
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a better solution to the problem: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1152379
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:42:00 -
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Yes for the love of all things holy
I hate forgetting to unloaded the crystals before contracting a Hulk
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Suitonia
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:57:00 -
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Well, the 'scammer' doesn't get anything from you buying stuff thats deliberatly damaged, he gets the same isk that he would have got if it was in perfect condition, so other than a few 'griefers' using it, I doubt it would become a major problem.
The contract system needs a good UI overhaul anyway. And it's really frustrating trying to sell Faction/T2 Crystals, damaged ships, ships with damaged drones inside etc. So yeah, as long as the damage on each item in the contract is visible, and maybe a nag window it would be great.
Supported. ---
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Xeano Estrado
Estrado Empire Space Exploration and Logistic Services
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Posted - 2009.08.18 22:22:00 -
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As long as the contract states that it is damaged, Don't wanna buy a Capital ship at 1% structure :b Would be a dreadful scam
Supported ^.^b
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