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Nostradamus Negulesco
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Posted - 2009.08.20 01:39:00 -
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Where have all the Slyph pilots gone? Empty 0.0 systems, no Slyph in any of the market/mission hubs, a few lonely station campers in the Kari pipe - is this what remains of a once mighty CVA pet alliance? U'k can confirm that three or four dozen Slyph pilots are active in their space - the other five hundred? Who knows?
I'm sure that Slyph command will claim business as usual, that the U'k interdiction is of no consequence, and so on.
However, CVA and others are being increasingly forced to defend Slyph space from U'k raids, with bubble camps and interceptor gangs. Going to ground in a war is a short-term solution. It won't win a war, but will damage your reputation and the respect your allies have for you. Ask yourselves, are you an asset to your allies? And at what point do you become a liability?
Come out and fight Slyph. For your own good. For the good of your loyal pilots. Adapt, learn new tricks, change your tactics, but above all, fight.
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Torgo harvin
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Posted - 2009.08.20 02:36:00 -
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<reserved for later comment(it is coming i just need to stop laughing>
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Sarah Amadou
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Posted - 2009.08.20 03:43:00 -
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I recently sold Sylph a supply of cloaking devices, they said they were going to adapt UK tactics and sit all day claoked out in space pretending someone cares about them, and when they saw an opportunity to uncloak and catch you they would.
However they doubted they would get any combat from you since you were cloaked looking for them, seems the best way for you to actually fight is if you bump into eachother while cloaked and decloak one another.
Either way thanks for the business!
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.08.20 04:20:00 -
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A cloaked ship does not decloak another cloaked ship though. ---
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Corewin
NoD Imperium
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Posted - 2009.08.20 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia A cloaked ship does not decloak another cloaked ship though.
2000 meters is the universal decloaking distance. Two cloaked ships closer than 2000 meters from one another, will indeed compromise both ships. Although considering the parties involved, both would reverse course and recloak, claiming the other was a coward for doing so.
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Chooch Chooch
Chooch Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.20 15:55:00 -
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Ok for the last time, and I will say this slow because UK pilots may be mighty warriors but also it seems a little thick in the skull.
ALL OF THE SYLPH PVP PILOTS AND FLEET COMMANDERS LEFT.
THE ONLY PILOTS LEFT ARE THE CAREBEARS WHO KNEW BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE.
THESE ARE THE SAME PILOTS THAT LOGGED OFF, WENT SUDDENLY AFK OR RAN INTO A WORM HOLE THE FIRST SIGN OF A THREAT.
SO NOW THAT ALL THE FIGHTERS HAVE LEFT, WHO DO YOU EXPECT TO COME OUT AND GREET YOU? WHO DO YOU EXPECT TO LEARN NEW TACTICS.
THIS IS WHAT THOSE THAT REMAINED WANTED BECAUSE THEY KNEW BETTER AND NOW THIS IS WHAT THEY GOT.
Caps were used to stress the point. Please note that any slight on the brain capacity of UNITY pilots is not a reflection of the alliance as a whole not the Minmatar race in general. Only the long term effects of Vitoc abuse and cloaking fields.
I do believe that everyone knows what is up with Sylph at this time and there is really no need to keep asking or repeating it.
However a philosophical question I leave you all with.
Can an alliance that thrives on vengence for a wrong done ages ago, survive once they have had their revenge?
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Dame Death
Minmatar The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.08.20 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Corewin
Originally by: Suitonia A cloaked ship does not decloak another cloaked ship though.
2000 meters is the universal decloaking distance. Two cloaked ships closer than 2000 meters from one another, will indeed compromise both ships. Although considering the parties involved, both would reverse course and recloak, claiming the other was a coward for doing so.
A cloaked ship will not decloak annother cloaked ship. Suit is right for once.
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Chooch Chooch
Chooch Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.20 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Chooch Chooch on 20/08/2009 16:06:55 sorry it double hit for some reason please ignore this
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Corewin
NoD Imperium
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dame Death
Originally by: Corewin
Originally by: Suitonia A cloaked ship does not decloak another cloaked ship though.
2000 meters is the universal decloaking distance. Two cloaked ships closer than 2000 meters from one another, will indeed compromise both ships. Although considering the parties involved, both would reverse course and recloak, claiming the other was a coward for doing so.
A cloaked ship will not decloak annother cloaked ship. Suit is right for once.
Lets say there are two cloaked ships. Both are at the same planet. One of these ships warps off to a gate at 100km. Followed shortly by the other, also landing at 100km. Both ships decloak. Personal experience.
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Dame Death
Minmatar The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:12:00 -
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Ive had a Falcon warp to me when we was both cloaked I was not moving so he landed at 0 this was before the changes to the Falc though hence why I was getting a spot for him. I did not decloak.
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Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sarah Amadou I recently sold Sylph a supply of cloaking devices, they said they were going to adapt UK tactics and sit all day claoked out in space pretending someone cares about them, and when they saw an opportunity to uncloak and catch you they would.
However they doubted they would get any combat from you since you were cloaked looking for them, seems the best way for you to actually fight is if you bump into eachother while cloaked and decloak one another.
Either way thanks for the business!
When we destoryed their 3bn isk highsec large faction tower with 80 battleships, the only Sylph pilots in system were indeed cloaked - in haulers, trying to scavenge mods (unsuccessfully).
It seems that Sylph dare not counter the U'K. How tragic.
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Grr
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nostradamus Negulesco Where have all the Slyph pilots gone? Empty 0.0 systems, no Slyph in any of the market/mission hubs, a few lonely station campers in the Kari pipe - is this what remains of a once mighty CVA pet alliance? U'k can confirm that three or four dozen Slyph pilots are active in their space - the other five hundred? Who knows?
I'm sure that Slyph command will claim business as usual, that the U'k interdiction is of no consequence, and so on.
However, CVA and others are being increasingly forced to defend Slyph space from U'k raids, with bubble camps and interceptor gangs. Going to ground in a war is a short-term solution. It won't win a war, but will damage your reputation and the respect your allies have for you. Ask yourselves, are you an asset to your allies? And at what point do you become a liability?
Come out and fight Slyph. For your own good. For the good of your loyal pilots. Adapt, learn new tricks, change your tactics, but above all, fight.
I won't claim business as usual for Sylph as I spend most of my time in Providence and the Empire rather than Catch but I can tell you the facts from where I stand.
CVA have not been asked to come defend Sylph at all recently and have had multiple offers from Sylph fleet commanders to assist us with operations.
An alliance "going to ground" or an alliance doing just fine and not being effected by Ushra'Khans campaign against them at all. I know what I believe and any amount of Ushra'Khan chest beating about how Sylph won't fight is just pure hypocritical comedy gold.
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Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Chooch Chooch ALL OF THE SYLPH PVP PILOTS AND FLEET COMMANDERS LEFT.
THE ONLY PILOTS LEFT ARE THE CAREBEARS WHO KNEW BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE.
THESE ARE THE SAME PILOTS THAT LOGGED OFF, WENT SUDDENLY AFK OR RAN INTO A WORM HOLE THE FIRST SIGN OF A THREAT.
SO NOW THAT ALL THE FIGHTERS HAVE LEFT, WHO DO YOU EXPECT TO COME OUT AND GREET YOU? WHO DO YOU EXPECT TO LEARN NEW TACTICS.
THIS IS WHAT THOSE THAT REMAINED WANTED BECAUSE THEY KNEW BETTER AND NOW THIS IS WHAT THEY GOT.
I feel I have a level of "expertise" on this field, so I should naturally comment.
Being ex-sylph and ex-FC for Sylph, I find myself agreeing with some points Chooch here is making (unbeliebable!!)
This has been the same for ages, the bears apply pressure and ***** on the combat fighters, the fighters simply gets tired and leaves as they have nothing but useless fleet members to work with.
Now, apply some outside pressure to the inside turmoil by blowing up/stealing all the industry assets one can come across... what happens? Don't come and tell us that we did not have a single finger involved in the disintegration and 750 members leaving as of late :p
The result is quite clear, carebears ***** at fighterpilots all day long. Fighterpilots realise they have better places where the grass is greener to go to, or simply that they cannot take being *****ed at by unthankful *******s all day long, and leaves.
There is also the second fact wich is on the table. There is only thus far you can progress being in most pet-alliances, you will be held back and unable to learn new things and tecniques because the majority is fail, and you fight overwhelmingly experienced forces.
Don't argue on that please, this comes from experience.. Pilots are being held back as a pet. Chooch probably have seen it as well, as well as everyone else that left, now on their way to greatness someplace else.
I have argued with many a pilot as to their feeling of usefulness or how capable they are whle them being in a pet alliance for ages. Now several pilots have left for other stomping grounds.. Do you know what they tell me?
"Jesus Makk, you were right, I am much better off another place, I progress and learn, no longer being held back by endless whines and useless, greedy individuals"
Oh, and some of them dwell in TDR :P
Originally by: Chooch Chooch Can an alliance that thrives on vengence for a wrong done ages ago, survive once they have had their revenge?
Yes. Ushra'Khan will prevail for all eternity, that is the strength of the integrity, honor and pride the warriors have. Once the revenge has been had, there are other great things that must be done.
Just lie down and die... mkay slyph?
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar Valklear Guard Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Neu Bastian on 20/08/2009 17:50:05 The only think that keeps Sylph in place is the fact that the providence holders will support them if attacked by us.
Sylph knows it, we know it, providence holders know it.
Their POSes are still in place and their stations are still owned by them simply because CVA and pets would not miss a chance to destroy Ushra'Khan fleets. If I was them, I wouldn't miss that chance either.
Unfortunate that no one else cares.
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Neu Bastian Valklear Guard - CEO
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/08/2009 17:58:57
Originally by: Grr I know what I believe and any amount of Ushra'Khan chest beating about how Sylph won't fight is just pure hypocritical comedy gold.
Yeah, I'm sure they just 'forgot' to defend their large Empire based towers with billions of ISK in labs, which the corp concerned begged the alliance for help in defending. Calls which fell on deaf ears.
Very credible
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Tronjay the'3rd
Caldari Phantasmal Collective Wicked Nation
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:44:00 -
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Sylph will prevail, It has seen lots of ups and downs over the years. How come U'K(loakers) keeps whining over the years? Fight like you whine and you will do well and plz, plz stop (u')kloaking all the time. The moment you will come out and fight with fleets, that moment I will fight side by side with my Sylph friends. It seems to me Sylph is just having a minor setback, nothing to worry about U'K(loakers). |
Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:09:00 -
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We reinforced a large highsec starbase belonging to Sylph using a battleship fleet, two days later we went back to finish the job, using a battleship fleet again and were met with a deafening silence.
Stripped of the protection of their masters, Sylph cannot muster even a token defence force against us.
We then moved on to aid in the liberation of the 2J system, again deploying an (uncloaked) fleet of battleships and were met by a mixed fleet of fleshmerchants and their many pets, but Sylph seemed very thin on the ground there as well. |
Nostradamus Negulesco
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:23:00 -
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A clarification:
The number of Slyph pilots in Slyph territory has decreased dramatically. This is an observable phenomenon. There are far fewer ice-mining operations, convoys or ratters to be found. Fewer gate-camps, roaming fleets or interceptor gangs. Systems that were teeming with activity two months ago are genuinely empty. Speaking with Slyph pilots on local systems comms, it's clear that many are tired of U'k interdiction and unable to operate with U'k present. These pilots probably deserve more than rhetoric from their leaders.
Nor can I claim any knowledge of CVA/Slyph diplomatic relations, or agreements/offers made between said alliances. Nonetheless, I've observed that the interceptor/bubbler gangs now defending Slyph jump-gates are predominantly CVA or other Providence holding alliances. This is normal activity for Provi-bloc alliances. What's surprising is how few Slyph (at most half-a-dozen) join these fleets. I haven't seen a significant Slyph fleet in weeks of roaming their space.
Its not enough to keep your towers fueled and hope for the best. After weeks spent in enemy territory, it's clear that you aren't operating as you once did. A policy of blanket denial seems to be your chosen course of action.
In my opinion this is a betrayal of the pilots who support your leadership. If you won't acknowledge your problems publicly, then at least take some action to secure your space. There's honour in the attempt, at the very least.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.20 21:09:00 -
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Sylph sympathizers laughing at their own demise, awesome
This war wont go away by you simply refusing to defend yourselves. Everyone including your allies know you have no loyalty to anything but your isk. Hiding in your stations clutching your wallets wont save your alliance.
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Thak Navari
Caldari Phantasmal Collective Wicked Nation
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Posted - 2009.08.20 22:36:00 -
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Id rather fly with UK!
Carebears seemed to know better than everyone else in Sylph.
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Exie
Phantasmal Collective Wicked Nation
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Posted - 2009.08.20 23:17:00 -
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Yea, I'm with Thak. The greedy bastards with in Sylph are by far the worst thing a Sylph combat pilot has to deal with. Killing, and being killed by UK is generally fun. Having to save stupid ass people over and over again, is not. UK had a hand, but the carebears will be the death of Sylph. E...
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Conlin
Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.21 05:53:00 -
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Wise words from Thak being as he was one of the few who fought U'K within Sylph alliance , but not only did he have to fight U'K gangs invading his space , but his own pilots . One of the few Sylph I respected for his diligence and tenacity and saying it as it is ,with no spin .
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.08.21 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Nur AlHuda on 21/08/2009 11:22:37 Well Tribal terrorists maybe dont have weeks off but each year for two months most of the capsuleers fly to planets to enjoy holiday resorts.
Seems this simple fact has escaped UK each year and in the time they are staying cloaked in space and watch empty space some guys have great parties enjoy the alcohol and good looking womans.
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shanda captison
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.21 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nur AlHuda Edited by: Nur AlHuda on 21/08/2009 11:22:37 Well Tribal terrorists maybe dont have weeks off but each year for two months most of the capsuleers fly to planets to enjoy holiday resorts.
Seems this simple fact has escaped UK each year and in the time they are staying cloaked in space and watch empty space some guys have great parties enjoy the alcohol and good looking womans.
I can confirm that lower Catch is absolutely deserted at the moment.
I guess Sylph are all indeed in these "holiday resorts" as they for sure aren't helping their allies defend assets. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.21 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tronjay the'3rd I will fight side by side with my Sylph friends.
Then you should be shot for treason as your alliance is hunting provi pets.
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Dr Edart
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Posted - 2009.08.21 19:46:00 -
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By the looks of that Killboard link it seems UK are claiming a victory over what it is clearly a -A-, Atlas, PL, Razor, -10, and others victory.
UK seems to have lost almost every ship they fielded, it is clear -A- and company did all the work and UK are riding the coat tails calling it thier success.
Maybe you shouldnt brag so much about something that your were only an insignificant part of, and then claiming it yours, makes you look bad.
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shanda captison
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.21 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Edart By the looks of that Killboard link it seems UK are claiming a victory over what it is clearly a -A-, Atlas, PL, Razor, -10, and others victory.
UK seems to have lost almost every ship they fielded, it is clear -A- and company did all the work and UK are riding the coat tails calling it thier success.
Maybe you shouldnt brag so much about something that your were only an insignificant part of, and then claiming it yours, makes you look bad.
Lol, you are as stupid as you are a coward.
Not only are PL, and RZR on no ones side and were shooting both parties, (the latter being DDed and losing their entire fleet) but pick a point somewhere where I was claiming a victory? Obviously it was, but it was far from the point I was trying to make, if you had any kind of reading ability you would see that. But of course I forget posts must accommodate all capsuleers of various intellects, including those of the "lowest common denominator", so I will spell it out for you.
Point 1: Catch is not deserted, lots of fights are happening. Point 2: Out of 312 pilots fielded by the Providence allies, 4 were Sylph.
If you have any futher questions please dont hesistate to contact me, but dont waste the time of readers who have some kind of literacy. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.08.21 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Edart By the looks of that Killboard link it seems UK are claiming a victory over what it is clearly a -A-, Atlas, PL, Razor, -10, and others victory.
UK seems to have lost almost every ship they fielded, it is clear -A- and company did all the work and UK are riding the coat tails calling it thier success.
Maybe you shouldnt brag so much about something that your were only an insignificant part of, and then claiming it yours, makes you look bad.
Wow, this is pure comedy gold.
Now, here are the facts for you to enjoy:
1) It's a UK killboard, so only the losses of U'K will show, not AAA or ATLAS. 2) U'K fielded approx 100 ships at peak, Sylph fielded... 4, which was the point being made 3) The link was simply used to demonstrate the point that lower Catch is not deserted as claimed 4) Nowhere in his post does shanda talk about 'victory' or claim it. However, we were indeed victorious, and it was a joint victory between AAA, UK, and ATLAS. AAA fielded the most ships, with UK and ATLAS fielding about 100 each at peak. 5) Every single providence alliance except CVA fielded significantly less ships than UK did... so if you claim that UK's contribution is insignificant, what does that make Paxton, CSA, Sylph, Aegis, and Severance's contribution? Please do tell me. 6) RZR and PL were not on the side of AAA/UK/ATLAS.
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Dr Edart
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Posted - 2009.08.21 22:00:00 -
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I think the rust from your ships has infected your brains, 2J was a CVA / Holder fight, not a Sylph fight, seems those 4 pilots had nothing better to do than shoot at you so they came, nothing more, nothing less.
Sylph probably were not even asked to join as they seem to not of been needed, from various killboards, it seems CVA / Holders did the most damage in ISK ships etc over the various participants. The towers may have been taken out, but with well over 7 hostile Alliances in there shooting everyone, the best thing CVA / Holders could of done is withdraw.
But go ahead and keep thinking your relevant and matter if it keeps your boat floating.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.21 22:10:00 -
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Well, due to the way that killboard work in this kind of engagement, every entity involved in that fight ended up with around 75% efficiency. However, the system is now free, massive damage was inflicted and minimal damage sustained. If you want to call that a victory for the empire, then Amarr Victor! thats the kind of win we can all get behind.
Just one minor thing, it looks like CVA did need the help of Sylph after all. Sadly Sylph were either deemed incapable of helping, or unable to attend for whatever reason. |
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