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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.28 07:57:00 -
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Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 28/08/2009 07:56:49
Originally by: Corewin Obvious Bait Geddon is Obvious
Why are you using an Armageddon as bait when there are much better bait ships?
And it's not even a good bait setup, as you end up with less EHP than a setup that doesn't involve 5x 1600mm plates.
Quote: EDIT: Ok I'll detail this. Why on earth would someone put T2 weapons on a ship that is damn near guarunteed to die before being able to do any damage of worth. It can still do damage sure, but atleast he wouldn't be losing a significant amount of isk in the event it is used as bait and dies.
Because he doesn't have the skills to use T2 guns? Even his "good" non-bait setups have the terrible T1 guns fitted. ==========
Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
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Corewin
NoD Imperium
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Posted - 2009.08.28 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 28/08/2009 07:56:49
Originally by: Corewin Obvious Bait Geddon is Obvious
Why are you using an Armageddon as bait when there are much better bait ships?
Geddons are cheap and have plenty of low slots. Doesn't mean its the only good bait ship, but ragging on him because he happened to use a Geddon is just silly.
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Suukovesta
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Posted - 2009.08.28 08:03:00 -
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Edited by: Suukovesta on 28/08/2009 08:04:46
Originally by: Corewin
Obvious Bait Geddon is Obvious
EDIT: Ok I'll detail this. Why on earth would someone put T2 weapons on a ship that is damn near guarunteed to die before being able to do any damage of worth. It can still do damage sure, but atleast he wouldn't be losing a significant amount of isk in the event it is used as bait and dies.
damn near guaranteed to die Where is your fleets ECM ? Where are the remote reps of your incoming fleet ? If your bait is near guaranteed to die, you are doing something wrong. Use better plates and some rigs if you bait - and you will lose 0 isk. tl;dr: learn how to bait; if you use crap setups like this, you (he) shouldn't shoot off his mouth when criticising others.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.08.28 08:09:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 28/08/2009 08:12:02
Originally by: Psyflame
BYDI has said on multiple occasions that "psyflame will always be primary, no matter what." This has been confirmed by several current and former BYDI members.
Lol, confirming Psyflame is such a nice guy, we would never lie to him.
For the record, our FCs are excellent target callers that select primaries by relevance, the only times we primary you first is when a little bird told us it might be a good idea.
Or just for the tears, its always fun to shoot people first that go emo.
Not that shooting your buffertanked ships would make any noticeable difference, they go down just as quick as the rest of their fleet, and probably dont even have less dps output.
Also, Sera is right, there are much better bait ships, using one of those might make sense if you really wanna believe you are that important. Heck, a proper pvp setup ends up with way more EHP than your bait fit, and kickass dps to boot.
Cheers
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 09:16:00 -
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Why an Armageddon for Bait?
A Baitship is only good if it's not Obvious that it's Bait.
That's Why.
A Lone Dominix Jumps through. Everybody "knows" Dominix's are usually Tanked to the Extreme. Obvious Bait is Obvious.
A Lone Geddon Jumps through. Everybody "knows" Geddons are usually Gank Fitted. Therefore they may assume they can take it down fast enough and take the Bait. ---------------
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Citation Registration Commission
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Posted - 2009.08.28 09:35:00 -
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Simple, just find another fleet commander, get a few decent fights, get the reputation, and make the people join your fleet instead of fleeting with mister X.
As long as mister X remains fleet commander, you can't really complain as you're not providing an alternative yourself. ---
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Arwen Tyler
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Posted - 2009.08.28 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Simple, just find another fleet commander, get a few decent fights, get the reputation, and make the people join your fleet instead of fleeting with mister X.
As long as mister X remains fleet commander, you can't really complain as you're not providing an alternative yourself.
Well I was going to flame you about being a carebear plexer but I see you got a few kills, you go girl !
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Psyflame
Overview Glitch
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Posted - 2009.08.28 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre Why an Armageddon for Bait?
A Baitship is only good if it's not Obvious that it's Bait.
That's Why.
A Lone Dominix Jumps through. Everybody "knows" Dominix's are usually Tanked to the Extreme. Obvious Bait is Obvious.
A Lone Geddon Jumps through. Everybody "knows" Geddons are usually Gank Fitted. Therefore they may assume they can take it down fast enough and take the Bait.
And as the killboard shows, my geddons have a history of being 3x heatsink. That ship, after insurance, was a grand total of 6m isk, iirc. All the more hilarious for the bawwwww factor that continues to repeat itself in this thread.
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Nottan Alty
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:55:00 -
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You're a mean one, Mr. X. You really are a heel. You're as cuddly as a cactus, You're as charming as an eel. Mr. X.
You're a bad banana With a greasy black peel.
You're a monster, Mr. X. Your heart's an empty hole. Your brain is full of spiders, You've got garlic in your soul. Mr. X.
I wouldn't touch you, with a thirty-nine-and-a-half foot pole.
You're a vile one, Mr. X. You have termites in your smile. You have all the tender sweetness Of a seasick crocodile. Mr. X.
Given the choice between the two of you I'd take the seasick crockodile.
You're a foul one, Mr. X. You're a nasty, wasty skunk. Your heart is full of unwashed socks Your soul is full of gunk. Mr. X.
The three words that best describe you, are, and I quote: "Stink. Stank. Stunk."
You're a rotter, Mr. X. You're the king of sinful sots. Your heart's a dead tomato splot With moldy purple spots, Mr. X.
Your soul is an apalling dump heap overflowing with the most disgraceful assortment of deplorable rubbish imaginable, Mangled up in tangled up knots.
You nauseate me, Mr. X. With a nauseaus super-naus. You're a crooked jerky jockey And you drive a crooked horse. Mr. X.
You're a three decker saurkraut and toadstool sandwich With arsenic sauce.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2009.08.28 18:10:00 -
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One Bad Apple don't spoil the whole bunch. Girrrrl.
-- The crazy tree blooms at every moment of liberal ascendancy.
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Endless eRage
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Raimo Psyflame?
FRANK???
Yeah its Frank sunky. A good reason to join the Amarr, it's leagal to pod his ass as much as you like.
Posting Alt, flame away!
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Hoo Is
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Posted - 2009.08.28 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Psyflame Dude I know exactly who you are talking about! That guy is a total jerk! Let's call him Mr X so we don't hurt any feelings.
Once he told me to switch my dps hawk and fly a blackbird or interceptor! That's ridiculous!
He is always bossing militia people around. He tells them to train for interceptors--but we just want to use sniper drakes! I think if you ask really nicely, the other guy won't warp away. It's kind of an honour-point system. He tells us to use stupid ships like basilisks, and he tells us that we should fit shield extenders on our pvp ships instead of shield rechargers. And oh man maaaannn. He told me to fit ballistic control units on my DRAKE. How am I going to tank the enemy fire if I don't have shield power relays?!? What a bully!
But then there is the ship fittings. Oh man this guy is unbearable! He told this one guy to take the armor rep off his raven. That guy told him off and he was completely right! Mr X was being a JERK policing other people's ship fittings. Sadly the raven still died though: http://killboard.caldarimilitia.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=78276
Then there was another time I remember Mr X was being SUPER MEAN. He told this one prophecy pilot to change his fit or leave fleet. Mr X was FC, but honestly he had no right to make threats that extreme. Without the support of the fleet, the poor prophecy pilot died in tama, I still blame Mr X to this day: http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3839754
There are some other times I remember Mr X being super rude about ship fittings. There was a really cool guy in a rokh with an officer armor repairer (super cool!!) and some officer cruise missile launchers. He was sniping with it and it was awesome Mr X was sooooo rude in militia chat. He called him names when the rokh died, and we really did not approve.
Then there was this other time where we think Mr X was SO mean he made someone LEAVE the militia. There was this picture going around: http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2927/udan.png and Mr X had the nerve to insult the guy!! I mean, lots of people in militia are alts, so what; this guy was just playing the game how he wanted!!
In short, I think Mr X should be kicked out of the militia because he is obviously too mean to the WoW players.
1) Everyone knows Psy is a jerk 2) BYDI suck 3) Gallente militia is fail 4) Caldari militia has problems forming small fleets without taking 45 mins to get everyone rallied 5) ???? 6) Profit (by selling ships/mods/ammo at the pipe ---- a reply which adds nothing to a thread or results in a thread being bumped with no new discussion worthy content is considered spam and as such warrants a forum ban |
Trustworthy Joe
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Posted - 2009.08.29 15:25:00 -
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i love psyflame. he is the lone voice that makes milita chat on my alt bearable at times.
also, merin/sera. go away. there is no "right fit" for any ship, you of all people should know that. so if he wants to fit a ton of 1600 plates to his geddon, let him do it. it has the lows for it, and its not like DPS matters once you get over 30 people in a gang.
psyflame obviously knows what hes doing, and if he has a set purpose for a ship, then let him fit it as such.
also, as an aside, my main fleet character starts with the letter A. wasnt a smart choice, and because of that, i ALWAYS superbuffer my battleship. i dont care if i cant shoot as far as the fleet, or if i cant do as much damage. however, if i can take more of the fire, that means less fire for the buddies who DO have the damage. _______________________ Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2009.08.29 16:40:00 -
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LOL, I'm laughing at this,
He seems to have a handle on things, fitting drakes for uber tank in PVP is pointless, they can't kill nothing, fit some damage mod's and at least you will be useful, fitting Rokh with officer fittings for PVP is stupid, big damage sniper get's primaried, even the damage out from all snipers and they will struggle to pick a primary or be discreet about damage dealing.
FW is PVP, you need to get rid of as many enemy ships as quick as possible, drakes should have strong buffer tank and as many BCU's as you can fit so he is right on that score, Rokh's should be sniping with damage maods and hardly any tank, using align to and warping out when primaried, so he is right there.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.29 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Trustworthy Joe also, merin/sera. go away. there is no "right fit" for any ship, you of all people should know that. so if he wants to fit a ton of 1600 plates to his geddon, let him do it. it has the lows for it, and its not like DPS matters once you get over 30 people in a gang.
Spoken like a true militia player. Like it or not, there IS a correct ship and setup for every situation (or a few correct options at most). The fact that you and so many militia players feel otherwise is why the militia is such a joke. ==========
Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
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Trustworthy Joe
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Posted - 2009.08.29 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
Originally by: Trustworthy Joe also, merin/sera. go away. there is no "right fit" for any ship, you of all people should know that. so if he wants to fit a ton of 1600 plates to his geddon, let him do it. it has the lows for it, and its not like DPS matters once you get over 30 people in a gang.
Spoken like a true militia player. Like it or not, there IS a correct ship and setup for every situation (or a few correct options at most). The fact that you and so many militia players feel otherwise is why the militia is such a joke.
no, my ALT is in FW. alt. as in person i get on occasionally to do stuff. my MAIN is in a 0.0 alliance.
suprise suprise though, they want a buffer sniper fit as well.
also, it occured to me that either you are sincere in this, or you are a REALLY good troll. _______________________ Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
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Suukovesta
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Posted - 2009.08.29 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
no, my ALT is in FW. alt. as in person i get on occasionally to do stuff. my MAIN is in a 0.0 alliance.
suprise suprise though, they want a buffer sniper fit as well.
If you bring a buffer sniper fit to fleet, you will be kicked and insulted by psyflame. No one would complain about him, if he'd only insult people in the examples that he mentioned. It's like the thread starter said, he is so opinionated and arrogant that should one have a setup he dosn't like, he will insult that person for an hour or more on end. One day he likes drakes, everyone has to bring a drake, then he changes his opinion and everyone who brings drakes is a moron, because psyflame decided that another ship is better.
Look at his last post, he is proud of bringing a 6 million trash setup to fleets. That's why Caldari blobs are slaughtered by fleets which have less ships. If someone is using trash fits for fleets, he at least shouldn't insult others because of their setups and ruin their game.
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Trustworthy Joe
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Posted - 2009.08.29 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Suukovesta
Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
no, my ALT is in FW. alt. as in person i get on occasionally to do stuff. my MAIN is in a 0.0 alliance.
suprise suprise though, they want a buffer sniper fit as well.
If you bring a buffer sniper fit to fleet, you will be kicked and insulted by psyflame. No one would complain about him, if he'd only insult people in the examples that he mentioned. It's like the thread starter said, he is so opinionated and arrogant that should one have a setup he dosn't like, he will insult that person for an hour or more on end. One day he likes drakes, everyone has to bring a drake, then he changes his opinion and everyone who brings drakes is a moron, because psyflame decided that another ship is better.
Look at his last post, he is proud of bringing a 6 million trash setup to fleets. That's why Caldari blobs are slaughtered by fleets which have less ships. If someone is using trash fits for fleets, he at least shouldn't insult others because of their setups and ruin their game.
lol, my quote was meant for merin, and i was referring to bringing plated snipers to 0.0 fleets.
psyflames a cool guy, he gets the caldari FW all emoragey just by typing in militia. its a great thing to watch on a slow day. _______________________ Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
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Psyflame
Overview Glitch
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Posted - 2009.08.30 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: Psyflame on 30/08/2009 01:20:25
Originally by: Suukovesta One day he likes drakes, everyone has to bring a drake, then he changes his opinion and everyone who brings drakes is a moron, because psyflame decided that another ship is better.
What? so u agree with me? I just said Mr X is a really mean guy because he doesn't let me fit 4x SPR on my drake! I wish more people would fly supertank drakes. Personally, I like my recharge drake very much, they can tank the enemy fire just great!!
A few times Mr X was FC of a fleet, and he was being REALLY DUMB. He said "ok guys I have 4 guardians, you should use armor tank if you can" WTF. Ok first of all, doesn't he know that my drake is already tanked for combat?!? It has t2 shield rechargers, nothing can kill it. Second, doesn't that idiot know that I'm caldari and I don't want to fly armor ships? I realize I could join another gang, or wait until he is using a gang without those ships... but I AM CALDARI. I have a RIGHT to join whatever fleet I want and fly any ship I want!!
Originally by: Suukovesta
If you bring a buffer sniper fit to fleet, you will be kicked and insulted by psyflame.
*emote grin* I know who you are now. You are the guy who brought the 3x large shield xfer rokh to the sniper gang. Heh. 5x gun sniper rokh.
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.08.30 12:49:00 -
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Needs more anti-bydi hate. That way nobody will suspect that we actually FC the Caldari militia. --- I smack just for myself.
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Ran Khanon
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Posted - 2009.08.30 18:27:00 -
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Arguing about fits is such a waste of time while fleeting. Give advice, sure. And as an FC, asking that person kindly to perhaps change his fit next time is just fine. But kicking people for wrong fits is not the way to get a nice team spirit going. Also keep in mind that not everyone doing militia is very experienced in the game.
"C'est le ton qui fait la musique", and stuff; say things in a jerky way and you will be considered a jerk, be understanding and patient about it and you will get the same in return. To put it simple: ****ing off people you have to cooperate with isn't a good idea in general.
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Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.08.30 19:56:00 -
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Don't much care about who hates who and who fits what in the Caldari/Gallente war. If this thread is truly about how to take away one negative and destructive person's influence over militia chat there is only one answer:
Right click portrait, BLOCK.
Then casually put it out there that others should follow suit and block anyone else who pointlessly argues with the troll. I promise you, YOU WILL NOT MISS THEM. They likely are the type to just sit in chat and never join fleets anyway, so you aren't missing any decent 'x's for fleets.
The Minmatar militia ignored the single biggest troll I've seen in EVE right out of the Minnie militia. Without attention, they fade into the shadows.
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Psyflame
Overview Glitch
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Posted - 2009.08.30 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dohl Khrensen They likely are the type to just sit in chat and never join fleets anyway, so you aren't missing any decent 'x's for fleets.
Confirming that Mr X has never joined a militia fleet.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.31 09:04:00 -
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And here I was hoping I could smack PERVS and prolly Unfamed II or Bad Messenger or our out-of-office spy Damar .. but turns out it's some neverheard nubcake named Slyflame?! wtf people! Wake up!
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Mr Reason
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Posted - 2009.08.31 13:45:00 -
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I don't do FW, I don't know "mr. X" but he sounds like someone I'd like. If you fit like an idiot you'll get called on it. If you expect to be primaried on the spot drop your heat sinks and fit for maximum tank and if you fleet isn't organised enough (or ins't into armour RR) you gonna die anyway so you might as well not make it an uber expensive fit.
So far, from what I've read, he makes perfect sense. Whether or not that means he's allowed to be a ar$ehole over it is something different. But then people who ARE the ret@rds are more than happy to blame the messenger for their stupidity. ie, "Mr. X is mean and an ar$ehole because he told me I should use more than 3 braincells when fitting my ship".
Then again, no personal experience here so I should probably not have an opinion on it.
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Beltantis Torrence
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Psyflame Dude I know exactly who you are talking about! That guy is a total jerk! Let's call him Mr X so we don't hurt any feelings.
If Mr.X constrained his self admiration to fail fits no one would really care. Rant more though about how the Megathron is garbage and the only BS worth flying are Geddon and Dominix. You just basically repeat the same **** we can read here except in an overstated way - failing to grasp that fleet PVP is not like solo PVP and flying the FOTM is not the end all and be all of PVP.
A lot of the stuff you say is right but a lot of it is also just power-gaming bull**** that doesn't correlate to real world numbers. More importantly though, your sarcasm spamming militia all day long just clogs it up with crap the rest of us don't want to read. I get that you think you're clever but you just come across like a bitter e-peen driven nerd.
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kayentelva
Minmatar Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.08.31 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: MyBankingAlt ... There is one particular individual that is constantly rude, disruptive and causes everyone (or nearly everyone) else strife. He is so opinionated and arrogant that should one have a setup he doesnÆt like, he will insult that person for an hour or more on end, clogging up militia chat making it difficult for people to give/receive intel. WhatÆs worse is he has a way of bringing out the worst in others, pushing their buttons until militia chat becomes something so ugly I minimize it altogether....
wait, isnt FrankMonkey in Minnie Militia ?
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2009.08.31 20:55:00 -
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I would suggest that if reading something someone writes always makes you mad, stop reading it.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2009.08.31 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lilith Velkor
Edit: why does the gallente killboard show more losses than the caldari one btw, dont you guys post your losses?
People get so riled up by psyflame they post fake losses for him on various killboards.
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Hoo Is
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Posted - 2009.08.31 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
Merin is banned (yet again). Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
I so wish they'd ban alts too... ---- a reply which adds nothing to a thread or results in a thread being bumped with no new discussion worthy content is considered spam and as such warrants a forum ban |
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