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Cardiana
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Posted - 2009.08.31 06:03:00 -
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Edited by: Cardiana on 31/08/2009 06:04:00 how do i get it to 200km? i have now all related skills on 4/5 (advanced ones at 3) and 2 ecm optimal range rigs and it is only 112km, but ppl talk about 200km? does it involve imps? thanks.
edit: and i do have race specific jammers if that matters at all.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.08.31 06:06:00 -
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200km was before the change in june. It is now no longer possible. --- Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Cardiana
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Posted - 2009.08.31 06:09:00 -
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oh it got drasticly nerfed. very good. thank you. really havent noticed as i dont fly this ship.
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Renarla
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Posted - 2009.08.31 06:39:00 -
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It's still silly how the Falcon's "counter" (Damps, Arazu) has an optimal of about 50km with max skills... However, on another note, I now have one of those annoying sigs. |
Red zeon
Caldari Circle of Shadows Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.08.31 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Renarla It's still silly how the Falcon's "counter" (Damps, Arazu) has an optimal of about 50km with max skills...
definitely not! it can make a subcap ship, pretty much any of em to get max range less than 40 with sens boosters.. and point from a longer distance than 40km... take off the point distance bonus and raise the damps to 70km and then it might be ok. or give the falcon a good second bonus to since its the only dam recon with only 1bonus to a ew
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.08.31 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Stuart Price on 31/08/2009 12:28:07
Originally by: Red zeon give the falcon a good second bonus to since its the only dam recon with only 1bonus to a ew
Yeah, but WHAT a bonus!
I like to solo in blaster fitted Falcons. Safer than a Pilgrim these days as long as you buffer it to survive a failed cycle. Only problem is the sensor recal means people often brick it and run before I can lock them :( Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |
Red zeon
Caldari Circle of Shadows Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.08.31 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price Edited by: Stuart Price on 31/08/2009 12:28:07
Originally by: Red zeon give the falcon a good second bonus to since its the only dam recon with only 1bonus to a ew
Yeah, but WHAT a bonus!
I like to solo in blaster fitted Falcons. Safer than a Pilgrim these days as long as you buffer it to survive a failed cycle. Only problem is the sensor recal means people often brick it and run before I can lock them :(
if you use falcon for solo, youve realy hawnt explored your options. also how is it safer when its practicly guaranteed that he wont be able to lock you when you use pilgrim?, second, if he gets backup, the backup will land in allmost 98% of the cases land on your target, wich would then foook you upp. the pilgrim would just leave. (not saying its impossible to leave witht he falcon when hes backup comes, just saying, i dont see it beeing easyer)
also my solo ship i own with got 49.5 sens str, wouldnt you rather use a pilgrim on that?
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Johan Sabbat
R.E.C.O.N. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.31 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Renarla It's still silly how the Falcon's "counter" (Damps, Arazu) has an optimal of about 50km with max skills...
Oh what a shame, maybe you'll just have to use them in their rather generous fall off...
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Morel Nova
z3r0 Gravity
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Red zeon
if you use falcon for solo, youve realy hawnt explored your options. also how is it safer when its practicly guaranteed that he wont be able to lock you when you use pilgrim?, second, if he gets backup, the backup will land in allmost 98% of the cases land on your target, wich would then foook you upp. the pilgrim would just leave. (not saying its impossible to leave witht he falcon when hes backup comes, just saying, i dont see it beeing easyer)
where to begin. pilgrims cant stop him locking (not counting ECM drones, but then you arent killing him either) so unless he is cap dead when backup lands you are scrammed and stuck (90% of pilgrims run AB so escaping takes a little while). A falcon will perma-jam pretty much anything without ECCM (and they arent that common anymore, especially on ratters) so has a very high chance of just being able to warp out. Put in space whales!
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Red zeon
Caldari Circle of Shadows Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Morel Nova
Originally by: Red zeon
if you use falcon for solo, youve realy hawnt explored your options. also how is it safer when its practicly guaranteed that he wont be able to lock you when you use pilgrim?, second, if he gets backup, the backup will land in allmost 98% of the cases land on your target, wich would then foook you upp. the pilgrim would just leave. (not saying its impossible to leave witht he falcon when hes backup comes, just saying, i dont see it beeing easyer)
where to begin. pilgrims cant stop him locking (not counting ECM drones, but then you arent killing him either) so unless he is cap dead when backup lands you are scrammed and stuck (90% of pilgrims run AB so escaping takes a little while). A falcon will perma-jam pretty much anything without ECCM (and they arent that common anymore, especially on ratters) so has a very high chance of just being able to warp out.
do you even know wtf your talking about? and djgoasjog are you slightly ******ed? no this is not a accusation, its a question. why cant a pilgrim use mwd? and how much better dps does a falcon got than a pilgrim? and if you get sens disrupted to 10km and hes on 30km from you, how are you gonna lock him?
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Cpt Branko
Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Red zeon
do you even know wtf your talking about? and djgoasjog are you slightly ******ed? no this is not a accusation, its a question. why cant a pilgrim use mwd? and how much better dps does a falcon got than a pilgrim? and if you get sens disrupted to 10km and hes on 30km from you, how are you gonna lock him?
If you fly a sensor dampening nano pilgrim, well... well, ok then.
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Red zeon
Caldari Circle of Shadows Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Red zeon
do you even know wtf your talking about? and djgoasjog are you slightly ******ed? no this is not a accusation, its a question. why cant a pilgrim use mwd? and how much better dps does a falcon got than a pilgrim? and if you get sens disrupted to 10km and hes on 30km from you, how are you gonna lock him?
If you fly a sensor dampening nano pilgrim, well... well, ok then.
beats the honor-tanked one with no prop mods that got small shield extenders in the mids.
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Destoya
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.31 17:19:00 -
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Shield tank pilgrim is also sad
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.08.31 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Red zeon
Originally by: Stuart Price Edited by: Stuart Price on 31/08/2009 12:28:07
Originally by: Red zeon give the falcon a good second bonus to since its the only dam recon with only 1bonus to a ew
Yeah, but WHAT a bonus!
I like to solo in blaster fitted Falcons. Safer than a Pilgrim these days as long as you buffer it to survive a failed cycle. Only problem is the sensor recal means people often brick it and run before I can lock them :(
if you use falcon for solo, youve realy hawnt explored your options. also how is it safer when its practicly guaranteed that he wont be able to lock you when you use pilgrim?, second, if he gets backup, the backup will land in allmost 98% of the cases land on your target, wich would then foook you upp. the pilgrim would just leave. (not saying its impossible to leave witht he falcon when hes backup comes, just saying, i dont see it beeing easyer)
also my solo ship i own with got 49.5 sens str, wouldnt you rather use a pilgrim on that?
Safer, not foolproof.
1. Jam strength of 14 per racial is good. Against a single target, I will have 1 'on' racial and 3 'off' racial jam attempts. The odds are good on nearly everything that I will jam it, a lot.
2. Backup has to enter the system before it can warp on top of me. If it's a LOT, I will simply warp off and cloak when I see local spike. If it's 1 or 2 others I make a judgement call according to what I see on scan. If I think I can jam everyone reliably, I stay. Otherwise it's off into warp. Cruiser align speed, cloak, safespots, they aren't catching me.
3. If they set up specifically to counter me, well done to them, they deserve the kill. 99% of targets aren't going to be deliberately set up to counter a solo blaster-Falcon.
4. Obvious bait is usually obvious. One of the joys of all cloaky recons is the ability to pick your fights. In a Falcon, my target selection is wider than in a Pilgrim.
Don't get me wrong, I love Pilgrims. In fact I used to solo in them a lot, which is why I'm satisfied with my comparisons of the two. I really HAVE explored my options! I've solo'd in some ridiculous ships and do a lot of 'field' testing (hello blaster-moa, laser-thorax/ferox etc). I just feel safer in a Falcon than I do in a Pilgrim.
Also, if a corpmate needs help nearby, he's probably going to be more grateful to see a Falcon turn up than a Pilgrim, unless of course he needs help killing an active tanked ship, in which case my extra 200 odd dps isn't going to make THAT much difference :( Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |
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