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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
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Posted - 2009.10.22 16:55:00 -
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This is a sad day indeed, but the sin of arrogance cannot be denied.
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Wotlankor
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.22 17:19:00 -
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Civil war ?
My my...
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SeerinDarkness
Minmatar An Tir Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.10.22 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: SeerinDarkness on 22/10/2009 17:50:17
The Sin of arrogance is your own Edeity, you have some kind of hypocritic balls to say that and i call Bull! on it. AMONK was Removed from LF Alliance BY our EXECUTOR for:
1 Unvarnished acts of piracy agianst blue and neutral standings people 2 Failing to pay alliance dues 3 Hostile action twords own alliance members
All attempts by alliance leadership to resolve a ,originaly, internal alliance issue between corps led to this and their subsuquent Removal from LF Alliance and their being added to Providence KOS list. Even their grace period to remove their assets has been totally marred by repeted attacks on Providence Citizens by certian AMONK members. AMONK Have no respect for any alliance leadership what so ever and feel that they can do whatever they please by being stubborn hypacritical bastard infidels twords their own political background. Why the Amarrian theocratic leadership have not convened to remove this festering sore on the face of their own beliefs is troubeling. AMONK are hereby awarded the 0/ of the Month award for strokeing it so mutch in public. SeerinDarkness/LF Alliance: Command Staff /An Tir: Ceo
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.22 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 22/10/2009 19:30:52
Given the earlier allegations of Sani Sabik rituals taking place amongst these "Amarrian Battlemonks", I can't say that I'm entirely surprised by this turn of events.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Spyra Gryra
Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.10.22 19:37:00 -
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These "Battlemonks" are evil. CVA will cleanse you, you filthy scum.
My corp and alliance are the very best pvpers in the entire history of video games. |
Konoch
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.10.22 19:38:00 -
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This officially labels providence in my eyes a dangerous zone. As a new pilot i thought heading out there to make some cash might be a good move. But As it is increasingly clear that the forces there can not and are not wiling to do what it takes to remove threats from that area of space i will consider it as i consider the rest of null sec. Its a shame really.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.10.22 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Konoch This officially labels providence in my eyes a dangerous zone. As a new pilot i thought heading out there to make some cash might be a good move. But As it is increasingly clear that the forces there can not and are not wiling to do what it takes to remove threats from that area of space i will consider it as i consider the rest of null sec. Its a shame really.
A single corporation within a single of the Holder alliances does not represent the majority of Providence. It is inevitable that once in awhile a group of players will decide to try to break the system. I'm not sure what you mean by the Provi Bloc being unable and unwilling to remove threats. The threat was removed, after all. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Konoch
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.10.22 20:22:00 -
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If i go by what i see on the forums you have two full scale wars going on on two seperate fronts. Now this.
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Rahnaar
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.22 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Konoch This officially labels providence in my eyes a dangerous zone. As a new pilot i thought heading out there to make some cash might be a good move. But As it is increasingly clear that the forces there can not and are not wiling to do what it takes to remove threats from that area of space i will consider it as i consider the rest of null sec. Its a shame really.
It is fear that guides you and there is no shame in that since you are in fact of lesser birth. It is the ability to overcome that fear which will allow one to rise to greatness. The opportunity to do so is yours to squander.
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Konoch
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.10.22 20:54:00 -
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You got real balls trying to accuse me of that. Clean up your cargo bay before you start firing off your pretty light beams at my hull. I work on risk versus reward. The Risk of the Providence area for me has risen to the point it is no longer worth the potential reward while i remain with the State War Academy.
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SeerinDarkness
Minmatar An Tir Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.10.22 20:55:00 -
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2 full scale wars?.....yes we get hostiles raiding fairly frequently...dunno what u mean about wars. Darwin works hard around here, if you dont pay attiention u can be ganked. Seer
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Wotlankor
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.22 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: SeerinDarkness 2 full scale wars?.....yes we get hostiles raiding fairly frequently...dunno what u mean about wars. Darwin works hard around here, if you dont pay attiention u can be ganked. Seer
Not sure who this pilot Darwin is (propably flies a vaga) but I assume he is U'K friendly as we work our butt off to keep Providence "entertaining" with frequent raids.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.10.22 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 22/10/2009 22:06:57 edeity:
. . . good luck?
Konoch:
The "war on multiple fronts" thing is more or less a permanent state of affairs, as far as I can tell.
Speaking for myself, I'm not sure whether I want to see them fall or not; on one hand, they shoot at me and mine and are never going to be working with Curse, or probably with any associates of the Cartel. On the other, I don't really have anything much against the Amarr, at least so long as they have the Matari and Gallente to keep them occupied.
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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
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Posted - 2009.10.22 22:16:00 -
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All debts will be paid. This is not about petty finance.
There is a lesson here for those, like I once were, are inspired by the preaching of virtue by CVA. How quick they turn, how little regard they have for months of effort and billions in isk spent to be a loyal servant.
LFA has made themselves irrelevant, as they clearly offer no value to their members for advocacy with CVA. It's cute you think your words carry weight Seeringdarkness but the reality is you are as irrelevant to CVA as I am.
The only power here exerted is that of a tyrant that preaches virtue. Change comes soon. True servants of Amarr will have new strength. I look forward to working to overthrow tyranny that is now a clear threat the true faith.
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Friek
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Posted - 2009.10.22 22:50:00 -
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It is a pleasant site to see one of the most extreme ex loyalist groups of the CVA wake up. I hope that soon they all wake up realize that CVA make promises that are not true, that Sylph -7- and Steel shoot neutrals for no reason, and that providence is a false promise to the people who reside there.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.10.23 10:05:00 -
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I really liked 'they are evil' part
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Stratio
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.23 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Stratio on 23/10/2009 10:50:22
Originally by: Konoch This officially labels providence in my eyes a dangerous zone. As a new pilot i thought heading out there to make some cash might be a good move. But As it is increasingly clear that the forces there can not and are not wiling to do what it takes to remove threats from that area of space i will consider it as i consider the rest of null sec. Its a shame really.
Please be aware that many groups, The Ushra'Khan included, are continuing to make Providence as un-safe as possible. My advice to neutrals is to stay away.
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For Tribe and Honour! |
Grr
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.23 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Stratio
Please be aware that many groups, The Ushra'Khan included, are continuing to make Providence as un-safe as possible. My advice to neutrals is to stay away.
Unfortunately for you and your little band of terrorists you call an alliance, you failed.
Providence is one of the safest null sec regions in new eden and neutrals continue to fly free here.
edeity I am very disappointed we could not work things out and you came straight to the summit rather than speaking to me first. You are perhaps not the man I thought you were.
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2009.10.23 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 23/10/2009 13:39:43 A very entertained Alica is hanging relaxed in a too big FIA ceo leather chair and follows interested the conversation. She flipps a hot potatoe chip into the air and catches it with her mouth. Then slurps with a straw from a red plastic mug with icy milkshake. She sprawls into the leather, highly entertained. While munching the chips she asks:
So this Darwin pilot is around there, yes? Go for it! What I ask myself...
She takes another slurp.
Sorry... What I ask myself is, are those Battlemonks maybe a new faction of the infamous Bloodraiders that were hiding in the shadows of the Amarr Empire just to regroup after their epic defeat some time ago? Will they now take over the CVA space and enforce their claim on that and make it their new home? Are they back to enforce their view and style of Amarrian religious wane and rituals?
That would be interesting. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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Spyra Gryra
Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.10.23 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Diana Kim I really liked 'they are evil' part
It was my favorite bit too. Some say these "Battlemonks" are involved in sucking the life out of babies and dressing up as Armageddons and Megathrons. It's a disgrace!
My corp and alliance are the very best pvpers in the entire history of video games. |
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Dunn Idaho
Caldari The Maverick Navy Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.23 20:18:00 -
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The Maverick Navy supports you fight against CVA.
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Stratio
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.24 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Grr
Originally by: Stratio
Please be aware that many groups, The Ushra'Khan included, are continuing to make Providence as un-safe as possible. My advice to neutrals is to stay away.
Unfortunately for you and your little band of terrorists you call an alliance, you failed.
I did say 'as possible' and being such a young pilot my contribution so far has been zero. However your words encourage me to persue my goals efficiently.
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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
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Posted - 2009.10.24 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Grr
edeity I am very disappointed we could not work things out and you came straight to the summit rather than speaking to me first. You are perhaps not the man I thought you were.
I too am deeply disappointed with this turn of events. But I did follow CVA process at all times. The only discussion any from CVA would have with me was the situation was being dealt with. This was the formal response from CVA when approached in diplomatic channel. Next i know im being told we have been removed from alliance and my brothers are being hunted. There was never any discussion with me.
I do still believe I am correct in asserting the sin of arrogance on CVA. There is confusion amongst you of adherence to processes overruling the will of that which we serve. I believe you have lost integrity of your mission. We both still serve Amarr in name, but I now have doubts about the reality of it for your alliance.
This brotherhood was formed directly from inspiration of the good that CVA did. We had many futures open to us, and would genuinely have been amongst your most ardent supporters.
The betrayal by the Holders will not be forgiven. I personally was promised safe departure from Providence by a holder diplomat, and then promptly podded twice. We have now formally committed our lot with the practices of the Sani Sabik. This was not necessarily our path, indeed it was but a passing curiosity at times, but it has become clear it is the one that is needed - what will bring us closer to truth.
As I opened this thread, a sad day indeed, and a result of arrogance. The sin is yours, and I do indeed weep for the loss of hope this has brought.
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Stratio
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.24 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: edeity I personally was promised safe departure from Providence by a holder diplomat, and then promptly podded twice.
From what Poreuomai had told me, I find this surprising to hear. _____________________
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2009.10.24 12:13:00 -
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Alica has now a big bowl of popcorn between her legs and munches them.
So... she blurts between two popcorns that she snips in the air and catches with her mouth. Are you going to use the infamous Bloodraider vessels now or do you prefer the lame way to fly the original Amarr vessels or the "inferior" Matar ones like I can see too often? By people who claim to have the most superior weapons of New Eden, be the superior race and call everyone not Amarrian "lesser". And then take our autocannons and fix them on Amarr vessels or fly Rifters, Ruptures and all other kind of our technology.
Don't take me wrong, I have nothing to say against the fact that Amarr leave their money in our economy by buying our stuff. Cause I really think they are better than anything the Empire can give you. But for a loyalist who claims to be superior in everything this is sounding for me like big hypocritical fedo excrement.
And when you really want to follow the Bloodraider path that means you will fly the Bloodraider vessels, no?
She munches some more popcorn and slurps a Quafe.
If you should chose this way, that'll be interesting. This I want to say. Because the attack on energy is the most hurting way for any Amarr vessel that I know. There are no such energy dependent vessel like the Amarrians. And even if those Bloodraider vessels will be difficult to get ..if you are no Bloodraider.. I think they are the most dangerous for any Amarr fleet I know.
But of cause this might be just another of the Bloodraider pretenders that take the name and the horror many Amarrians feel to do piracy.
She nods.
I completly understand this. The psychological warfare on the enemy is an important issue. But if you do this for real that'll be interesting. That will be more than just another nameless pirate gang that is roaming Providence. Even if you not exclusivly fly the Bloodraider vessels -they are just fleet supporters if I understand that right- but if you build up a fleet around the idea of energy warfare... That would really mess up a lot of CVA fleets.
That'll be interesting. It will also be interesting how the loyalists would react to such a thread.
She reaches for another Quafe and sticks her drinking straw into the can. Then she slurps and presses the disconnect button. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
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Posted - 2009.10.24 17:56:00 -
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Oh I dont pretend to be anything so grand as a member of some vast conspiracy. We are not Blood Raiders. Our lot is a simple one, exploring from writings and through practice the ancient religion. That is all. It is but learning and a yearning to find truth that guides us.
Part 1 - The Confusion ======================= The journey has been a simple one, and as on occasion when a brother in my order has shown growth in the virtues of inflicting suffering, my humble story is shared with them so that they may gain what little benefit and insight may be gleaned to better help their own journey.
Increasingly becoming an old man, I now vainly wish to share my story in some last gasp of clinging to the meaninglessness of individuality. Apologies in advance for this lack of discipline.
The wonders of exploring new Eden were indeed beautiful. It was a new opening in the life of an individual. Such vastness, such depth. What became increasingly apparent was the effect of consequence. Decisions did truly change the universe, which in turn changed me.
But the game of life in New Eden is not one player. Others also make decisions, which effect the universe, and in turn effect me. Consequence. Not just of what I do, what decisions I make, but consequence from the decisions of all.
Morality and Ethics, the micro and macro social evolutionary functions are sustained because of exactly this effect of consequence. Actions inform the next who in turn adapts and shifts their decisions partially in response. One still can express will or purpose, but one, to the limits they choose to set upon themselves, is partially controlled by the choices of others.
Venturing deeper into space, outside the protection of CONCORD, and more importantly outside protection of the true Holy Emperor one meets those who decide to act on very short sighted and narrow scales of consequence. One assumes it is because of limits on their capability - possibly due to youthfullness, ignorance, lack of education opportunity, or sheer stupidity. But over time, some become prominent as sufferers of none of these maladies.
Some choose self over good.
This was a shock for one who lived a life in service of good to this point. Open like the proverbial book, desperate to contribute, to help build.
But the deeper one went into the vastness of space, the deeper the depravity of pursuit of self at the expense of contributing good. What was particularly concerning however, was that increasingly it became apparent that this behaviour was being sustained. It did not follow its natural course and extinguish itself like all selfishness should. Like a virus that is so effective at killing its host it no longer has anywhere left to spread.
No, this virus on humanity was being sustained and supported. A political and economic structure, promoted and funded by CONCORD was channelling vast amounts of funds granted on a simple KPI of the destruction of fellow humans. CONCORD was paying the training of generations of killers that have the power to transcend their own death.
When evil actions are divorced from consequence both economic and social, there must occur a rebalancing. A new good must emerge. The old good no longer can serve purpose. In evolution, something can only claim a right to exist where it sustains advantage. And what is occurring now in the depths of space is the most rapid evolution of morality the universe has ever seen.
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Grr
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.24 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: edeity It has been brought to my attention that there exists concern about the position of the brotherhood of the Holy Amarrian Battlemonks on heretical religious practice.
The brotherhoods tenemanets of membership are, in order of precedence: #1 Loyalty to the true Emperor/ess of Amarr #2 Fealty to and Defense of most holy Curatores Veritas Alliance, no matter their position on us #3 Loyalty to the brotherhood #4 Loyalty to our Allies
within this we seek to understand the full depths of our religious practices, and to this end there is much research, both academic and active research. We are a young brotherhood, with much to learn. Our spiritual journey has just begun. We look to many sources for inspiration. We recognise that at times we may well be in error, and humbly submit to authoritative and reasoned guidance in matters religious.
On this issue of the Sani Sabik, we categorically state that we are not blood raiders, nor in any way allied to any "covenant" of the Blood Raiders. That is not, nor will be our intent. We are always loyal to the true Amarr.
Our interest in the rituals of blood is both academic but also active. We wish to understand the nature of the most ancient aspects of our faith, and how it is applicable in modern times. Should there be need of inquistion into our practices and their orthodoxy, we will humbly submit to an appropriately authorised inquisitor.
Above all things, we will always remain faithful to the true orthodoxy of Amarr. For this is what we are.
Very careful twisting of truth from an early stage. Suprised I did not see it.
You are clearly not Blood Raiders but at no point you have commited yourself to saying you are not Sani Sabik followers. Bravo.
Can we expect you to honour your "tenemanets of membership" and commit no agression on CVA and by extension it's allies?
I expect not.
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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
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Posted - 2009.10.24 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Grr
Very careful twisting of truth from an early stage. Suprised I did not see it.
You are clearly not Blood Raiders but at no point you have commited yourself to saying you are not Sani Sabik followers. Bravo.
Can we expect you to honour your "tenemanets of membership" and commit no agression on CVA and by extension it's allies?
I expect not.
You are correct in pointing this out. It has saddened me greatly that I have changed this. I should perhaps re-incorporate the brotherhood under a new name, to clearly communicate this change.
I do not know how to express how deeply conflicting it was to make this decision. But you are correct Grr in pointing out this change and inconsistency.
In my defense I can only claim the primacy of tenement #1. It is my firm belief that the arrogance of CVA has become a cancer that know thoroughly infects it to a point where it will become a direct threat to the integrity of the Amarr Empire and more importantly, the true Amarrian faith.
I personally have destroyed 2 CVA ships in the last 12 hours, and we have a new award for our members "Slayer of Saints" which is awarded to those who destroy the vessels of the C.V.A. our path is committed and considered. This is not something occuring in haste.
It still does however sadden me to have to have occured.
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Spyra Gryra
Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.10.24 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: edeity
Originally by: Grr
Very careful twisting of truth from an early stage. Suprised I did not see it.
You are clearly not Blood Raiders but at no point you have commited yourself to saying you are not Sani Sabik followers. Bravo.
Can we expect you to honour your "tenemanets of membership" and commit no agression on CVA and by extension it's allies?
I expect not.
You are correct in pointing this out. It has saddened me greatly that I have changed this. I should perhaps re-incorporate the brotherhood under a new name, to clearly communicate this change.
I do not know how to express how deeply conflicting it was to make this decision. But you are correct Grr in pointing out this change and inconsistency.
In my defense I can only claim the primacy of tenement #1. It is my firm belief that the arrogance of CVA has become a cancer that know thoroughly infects it to a point where it will become a direct threat to the integrity of the Amarr Empire and more importantly, the true Amarrian faith.
I personally have destroyed 2 CVA ships in the last 12 hours, and we have a new award for our members "Slayer of Saints" which is awarded to those who destroy the vessels of the C.V.A. our path is committed and considered. This is not something occuring in haste.
It still does however sadden me to have to have occured.
Your crocodile tears will not save you. It is you that is the cancer, and I'm sure you will be removed as such. You disgust me.
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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
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Posted - 2009.10.25 00:39:00 -
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Save me? I thought it was quite clear I have willfully chosen a path well outside your construct of salvation.
But your point does warrant exploration. So let us engage in debate as best we each are able.
So what would I need saving from? You? What on earth do you think you could do to me? Like you I also transcend death. My time in turn can be traded for resources, and these resources put to service in execution of my will. Again just like you. As an individual we both are quite meaningless. What we have given ourselves to however is where meaning comes into the equation. We have faith.
From this faith we now are able to only transcend death, but time as well. We each believe our thought has meaning beyond this place, this time.
So how can one who transcends space and time be vulnerable? Can they not be stopped?
But they can. In this very power of faith is it's weakness. Your mighty alliance made strong by the faith of thousands has one weakness. And that weakness is interest. Gods die when their followers lose faith, when they no longer believe, when there is nothing but the mindless pursuit of wealth.
You claim I shall be cleansed but do not see your own fate on the horizon. Your believers are losing faith, they lose interest, and are now easily swayed by wealth. You grow weak in the very foundation that made you strong.
Let us see shall we, if you can respond with anything more than bland assertions of emotion. Let us see of you can engage and be interesting, if you are able to inspire faith.
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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
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Posted - 2009.10.26 07:41:00 -
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Journey of a True Servant of Amarr Part 2 á Despair =================== Desperate now, in my search for meaning in this universe, awareness awakening to not just a vastly harsher reality than I thought possible but evidence it was on an accelerating rate of change AWAY from all that I thought good, meaningful and sustainable. á Despair set in. My life had no purpose here. I could do no good. Evil surrounds and prospers wherever one goes. There was no salvation. No ability to make a difference. á I turned to violence. á Fitting ships for battle, I cruised lower security areas of space. Piracy was rife here. I learnt lessons in survival. Lessons in pain. But most of all I learnt that the power and strength within me, how I could see the universe and my place in it û was simply not enough. á At every turn I would be defeated or have to run away. á Out numbered, outgunned. Out skilled. Ships vastly more powerful than I would engage me time and time again. Ships I could not hope to be able to pilot. Ships built and fitted by those greatly experienced and put to a singular purpose of the destruction of people such as I. á The rage within me grew. á I began to hate. á Hatred with such passion started to consume me. I would now start out HOPING to be defeated, PRAYING that pain would be inflicted upon me, so that I could feel the warmth and now familiar embrace of burning hatred. á In my despair, it was hate that was all that was left that could save me. á What I have since realized, is that this was in fact my salvation. This was my baptism. Only this purgation of all that I held true and holy, all my misconceptions of what was good stripped away. á In Despair finding hatred my lifeline to hold on to as the torrents of pain washed my false beliefs away made me anew. I could now let go. I became something else. Yet I was still me. I was in fact now something more. á This new better and utterly cleansed me still lacked one thing. á I lacked purpose. á The hatred gave greatness of strength, such passion, such ability to withstand pain beyond what others could believe possible. Pirates started to run in fear from the crazy Amarrian, the one who no deaths, losses, insult or injury could stop. He would just keep coming. Time and time again. No shame, no remorse, no care. Detached. So extreme, the pirates turned to offering kindness. They themselves grew shamed by the pain they inflicted. They offered replacements of loss, they offered advice to head to safer areas of space where I would not be so inflicted thus. á But I did thank them. No, I explained. You have given me a great gift. I have found true peace. á At this time, I then didst find myself present at the Cathedral of Blood. á It was a curious coincidence, and a genuine one. á I knew nothing of this cult of heretics I had been hunting for bounty. And here I was in one of their holy sites. Prowling through space, deeply at peace alternately tenderly caressing and then stoking my burning fires of rage. á I still needed meaning. á A chance encounter with yet another pirate. Looking for an easy kill. Explaining to me how bad, how evil he was. He could kill ônoobsö. ônoobsö like me. á A smile crept upon my face. No I told him. You are not evil. I do not think you know the joy, peace and beauty of evil. But you could learn. In fact, you need to learn. á He did not understand. I could not phrase this revelation in words that had meaning to him. I so sincerely wanted to help. But words I realized are not enough to give him the peace I now have. á Purpose. I had found my purpose. A purpose that cannot be done with words. á á
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Codo Yagari
Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.26 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: edeity
I personally have destroyed 2 CVA ships in the last 12 hours, and we have a new award for our members "Slayer of Saints" which is awarded to those who destroy the vessels of the C.V.A. our path is committed and considered.
A "Slayer of Saints" award? Then truly why discuss further with you in regards to the whole matter. Does not such a terrible award speak for itself entirely?
Keep good and just, and be honest with yourself.
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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
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Posted - 2009.10.26 20:45:00 -
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It gives a sliver of hope to see there are some of you willing to engage and respond. The quality of evidence of conviction has been quite underwhelming, but nevertheless there is a faint heartbeat of faith that i see.
This does not go away with your lack of engagement. To you, leaders and holders of authority moral and temporal I say this -
A new battlefield awaits you, with new foes. Your wealth cannot protect you here, and no fleet can prevent us. We come for the very hearts and souls of your members.
A trickle at first.
They will struggle, learn pain, lose much but will gain conviction. This bedrock shall be our strength.
Then shall come your once friends. They shall turn against you because of your arrogance of process and policy over faith and loyalty. They shall find what they have wanted from you from the start but in your vanity told them they were unworthy. They will have relevance, they will have influence, their faith shall be transformed into authority. They shall be empowered.
Then finally your members will start to lose heart. It will be your younger ones at first. Those looking to live the belief they have in making a better tomorrow.
Then we shall come for you. Not in war ships, that will not be needed. The rabid dogs that roam the belts will inflict the losses themselves. We shall come as humble monks, meditating whilst observing - knowing that this is a great moment - watching gods die.
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Xenea
Rimon Lozera Riana
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Posted - 2009.10.27 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 22/10/2009 19:30:52
Given the earlier allegations of Sani Sabik rituals taking place amongst these "Amarrian Battlemonks", I can't say that I'm entirely surprised by this turn of events.
Your fetish with the Sani Sabik stems from the fact that their heresy predates your own. I hate to inform you, dearest Rodj, all heretics are equally damned in the eyes of Lord God. Delude yourself as you will, your soul is just as tainted as a Blooder. There has been, and will always be, but one faith loyal to Lord God -- and it isn't practiced by the Theology Council, PIE Inc., or Rodj Blake. |
Tirke
Amarr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.29 09:42:00 -
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Infidels killing infidels, everyone wins.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.29 15:32:00 -
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Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good. Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land. The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.
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Xenea
Rimon Lozera Riana
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Posted - 2009.10.30 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good. Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land. The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.
Indeed, Lord God has punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood: Jovian Massacre, Second Amarr Civil War, Matari Rebellion, the Assassination of Doriam II. |
Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.10.30 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Xenea Indeed, Lord God has punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood: Jovian Massacre, Second Amarr Civil War, Matari Rebellion, the Assassination of Doriam II.
These incidents together represent a fraction of the total losses of life inflicted upon the enemies of the Amarr Empire by its past and current policies. We all think that your little heretical beliefs are Adorable, really we do, but if you try to turn the scriptures upon those of the Amarrian Faith, you're not going to win. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.30 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 30/10/2009 01:21:19
Originally by: Xenea
Indeed, Lord God has punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood: Jovian Massacre, Second Amarr Civil War, Matari Rebellion, the Assassination of Doriam II.
Care to tell me which war you think the Second Amarr Civil War was?
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Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar Starfish Operating Syndicate Independent Faction
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Posted - 2009.10.30 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin We all think that your little heretical beliefs are Adorable, really we do, but if you try to turn the scriptures upon those of the Amarrian Faith, you're not going to win.
He's right Xenea, the Amarrian Faithful are much more adept at twisting the scriptures to fit whatever they want than anyone else could hope to be. They've had generations of practice.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.10.30 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
He's right Xenea, the Amarrian Faithful are much more adept at twisting the scriptures to fit whatever they want than anyone else could hope to be. They've had generations of practice.
Well, we don't like to brag...
In all seriousness, though, the fact is that Amarr has been studying these scriptures for millenia, and nearly every argument regarding them has been looked at and dealt with (Either by being reasoned out, or by changing our faith to suit the new understanding). There might be a few theologians or philosophers who might come with even new insights into His Word, but I highly doubt anyone here is one of them.
I have seen a few on the Summit which might possess the capability, however near as I can tell none of them have any interest in the Faith. It is a shame that their wisdom cannot help us better understand the Will. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar Starfish Operating Syndicate Independent Faction
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Posted - 2009.10.30 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin
In all seriousness, though, the fact is that Amarr has been studying these scriptures for millenia, and nearly every argument regarding them has been looked at and dealt with (Either by being reasoned out, or by changing our faith to suit the new understanding). There might be a few theologians or philosophers who might come with even new insights into His Word, but I highly doubt anyone here is one of them.
I have seen a few on the Summit which might possess the capability, however near as I can tell none of them have any interest in the Faith. It is a shame that their wisdom cannot help us better understand the Will.
You act as if there is only one interpretation of these scriptures. If there is, your people have yet to find it and agree on it.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.10.30 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
You act as if there is only one interpretation of these scriptures. If there is, your people have yet to find it and agree on it.
There are indeed many interpretations. However, some are established as true to the Way, and others are deemed heretical. Heretical interpretations are usually either cults which endanger the lives of those who practise it (Such as the Sani Sabik cults) or call for confrontation with the Council as the only way to achieve their ends (Such as the Freedom Starway religious).
In a sense the Amarr Territories have agreed upon not one but many interpretations being true. If we allowed only a single, rigid interpretation then we would close ourselves to the possibility of error. Even the Empress and King are imperfect when compared to God. Who are we to claim that we know all that He wills? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar Starfish Operating Syndicate Independent Faction
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Posted - 2009.10.31 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin Who are we to claim that we know all that He wills?
Indeed. Thats the theology councils job right? Are you saying it is possible for them to have a mistaken interpretation? On the record?
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Xenea
Rimon Lozera Riana
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Posted - 2009.10.31 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Care to tell me which war you think the Second Amarr Civil War was?
That would be Khanid II's War, with the first being, of course, the Moral Profanations. |
Xenea
Rimon Lozera Riana
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Posted - 2009.10.31 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin
...Heretical interpretations are usually either cults which endanger the lives of those who practise it (Such as the Sani Sabik cults) or call for confrontation with the Council as the only way to achieve their ends...
Except for the Theology Council is barely over 1,500 years old, meanwhile the Empire, Emperor, and Faith can be traced back over 16 millenia back to the time before written history. Those who subscribe to the theology that predates the Council by 14 millenia have anything but a 'heretical' interpretation. But I agree, there are other ways to achieve certain ends besides direct confrontation with the Council -- just ask Doriam. |
Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.31 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Xenea
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Care to tell me which war you think the Second Amarr Civil War was?
That would be Khanid II's War, with the first being, of course, the Moral Profanations.
You should avoid making up titles for wars. They suggest things that generally are not true.
The war fought by Khanid II at his succession was a conflict between two factions of the Khanid realm, rather than a conflict between the Empire and the Khanid realm. Hence, its ending so quickly once Khanid killed those parts of his family that did not support him. Amarrian Civil War would imply that the war was a very different conflict.
You also should perhaps read your scriptures a bit more closely before you come up with titles for wars. Amarr has never shied from necessary purges of sinners and internal enemies to God. The idea that the Moral Reforms were the first time that we were required to fight those turned by the wiles of the deceiver is quite amusing.
Also, I would not suggest bringing up issues like the assassination of Doriam as that might just draw people's attention to the context of that assassination.
You know, the war in which Amarr utterly crushed the Blood Raiders and exiled what pitiful remains of their cult survived out to Delve. The war in which Doriam guaranteed that this current conflict would not be fought on Amarrian soil but rather on Matari and recently reclaimed Blood Raider territory.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.31 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Xenea
Originally by: Jakiin
...Heretical interpretations are usually either cults which endanger the lives of those who practise it (Such as the Sani Sabik cults) or call for confrontation with the Council as the only way to achieve their ends...
Except for the Theology Council is barely over 1,500 years old, meanwhile the Empire, Emperor, and Faith can be traced back over 16 millenia back to the time before written history. Those who subscribe to the theology that predates the Council by 14 millenia have anything but a 'heretical' interpretation. But I agree, there are other ways to achieve certain ends besides direct confrontation with the Council -- just ask Doriam.
So the scriptures are "supposed" to be immutable, and the will of God is "supposed" to be that the people of God react in the same way every time?
By your logic, we would be fighting the War of Shakor with swords and bows as the scriptures would never have been updated to include the possibility of modern technology.
The Amarrian scriptures have always been greater than other pathetic religions single books that must be followed. They represent the recorded record of the commands of God to God's people and the history of God's people, not some small little book of rules that became outdated about a week after it was written by some two bit profit.
Sometimes the scriptures contradict eachother at a shallow glance, but in reality it is not the purpose that has contradictions but the means.
Your shallow heresy, Xenea, is that you demand that the ineffable God be a hidebound understandable creature and that the people who follow him should prioritize old revelations from God over new revelations from God.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.10.31 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Indeed. Thats the theology councils job right? Are you saying it is possible for them to have a mistaken interpretation? On the record?
Of course it is possible. Every time the Empire has changed policies, it has admitted to obeying a new interpretation in an indirect fashion, implying that the old was mistaken. A good instance would be whem Jamyl Sarum released such a large number of Slaves: It was admitted then that God's will was found to be different than what we had previously thought.
I cannot point out any instances where they have gone on the record saying that they are incorrect, as the history of the Theology Council was not a course they teach at the Kingdom. I would direct you to a more learned man amongst my Imperial brethren for specifics. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Xenea
Rimon Lozera Riana
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Posted - 2009.10.31 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
So the scriptures are "supposed" to be immutable, and the will of God is "supposed" to be that the people of God react in the same way every time?
By your logic, we would be fighting the War of Shakor with swords and bows as the scriptures would never have been updated to include the possibility of modern technology.
As you know quite well, this has nothing to do with technology and everything to do theology. Of course the collective of the Scriptures are subject to amendment (but not revision), as the Will of Lord God is given to humanity to face new challenges. What we disagree upon is who can receive the Word of Lord God and the degree to which the Emperor plays a role in the faith. That fundamental disagreement you have with the tennants of the Faith is what seperates the heretic from the righteous. |
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Xenea
Rimon Lozera Riana
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Posted - 2009.11.01 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
The war fought by Khanid II at his succession was a conflict between two factions of the Khanid realm, rather than a conflict between the Empire and the Khanid realm. Hence, its ending so quickly once Khanid killed those parts of his family that did not support him. Amarrian Civil War would imply that the war was a very different conflict.
Being selective with our history (again), aren't we dear Gaven? It was a civil war by any definition -- unlike revisionist histories crafted by the Theology Council and pushed by Amarr Certified News. Allow me to recite your own commonly accepted version of the creation of the Kingdom to clarify:
"The struggle raged for a few months, in that time the Amarr Empire had joined the fray... For some weeks the survival of the Khanid kingdom hung in the balance, but when Khanid managed through trickery to have his brother assassinated, the opposition fizzled to nothing. Khanid lost some of the isolated regions of the kingdom, but the core of it remained intact." |
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