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Prognosys
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Posted - 2009.11.08 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Masempa
Originally by: Jethro Hawkins YES OR NO: Due to the increased risk and logistics effort required, 0.0 should be more - not as - profitable (in raw isk/h) than highsec L4 mission running.
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Prognosys
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Posted - 2009.11.08 04:00:00 -
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A lot of people have suggested disabling Empire L4 missions or at least turning them down a little. While this is certainly a good idea, I think it's also important to remember that we can't just make Empire less profitable, we also have to make conquerable space more profitable in order for the sov 'fix' to not suck horribly.
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Prognosys
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Posted - 2009.11.08 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cromzor I hate the 0.0 napfest, and I'm really enjoying the goontears but...
YES OR NO: Due to the increased risk and logistics effort required, 0.0 should be more - not as - profitable (in raw isk/h) than highsec L4 mission running.
I like how this patch, specifically this question, is bringing together alliances that hate each others' guts. Enemy of my enemy, etc.
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Prognosys
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Posted - 2009.11.08 06:48:00 -
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Edited by: Prognosys on 08/11/2009 06:48:02
Originally by: Hrodgar Ortal
Originally by: Da Maddness YES OR NO: Due to the increased risk and logistics effort required, 0.0 should be more - not as - profitable (in raw isk/h) than highsec L4 mission running.
I've seen you or someone else ask this every couple of pages. You won't get an answer that way, especially when asking it that often in the middle of the night for Icelanders.
you're right there's no reason ccp would answer a question that gets asked every fifth post, it should've just been asked once and then never brought up again
then again you might actually be right
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YES OR NO: Due to the increased risk and logistics effort required, 0.0 should be more - not as - profitable (in raw isk/h) than highsec L4 mission running.
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Prognosys
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Posted - 2009.11.08 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: feffrey Question: is having sov really necessary? Unless I am missing something these are all the things that are dependent on sov Anchoring cap building stuff Saving on fuel costs for towers Upgrading your system to make it better Having an outpost JB's, and cyno stuff Having systems colored by your alliance on dotlan
Unless I am missing something nothing else in 0.0 NEEDS sov to work. With all these added costs why not save money and not claim sov in places where you don't need above? Even if you don't have sov, you can still rat, mine, put up pos's, etc.
These prices seem really crazy high (and I do think they need to be lower) but why not consolidate the places that you have sov. Not like you can do stuff in systems that you do not have sov in.
Also I thought I remember reading somewhere that fuel costs were going go way down for pos as well. Is that true?
So in order to not spend all our money on upkeep, alliances should just not hold sov and therefore not be able to use the upgrades that were half the point of dominion. BRILLIANT
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Prognosys
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Posted - 2009.11.08 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mkiaki Edited by: Mkiaki on 08/11/2009 19:03:57 Stop Dominion, at least until this has been sorted.
I like how this post used to say 'raise the costs, you make enough on moon goo anyway' or something along those lines.
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Prognosys
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Posted - 2009.11.08 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness
Quote: Let me sum this up for you, the goal of THIS expansion (not later additions) was to get more people from empire to 0.0 and to force large afk empires to shrink. It has so far failed to do this except there will be less sov on the map, the upgrades are a poor lot at best and there is no real incentive for people to leave empire. So tell me how does this expansion do anything to encourage newcomers to 0.0 and give them a decent income?
Fail. #1 you are a goon. that alone means you have no cred. Fail. #2 you are a goon. that also means you are an idiot.
Fail. #3 you ar a goon and the biggest part of your fail is that the patch has not come out yet. What are you idiots going to do start dropping sov NOW before the patch comes out? why? just so you can come on these forums and scream about how horrible its going to be? NO cause you are doing that now and it tastes delicious.
Ahahahahahaha look at this ****ing post, it's like a goldmine of idiocy.
Let me spell it out for you: 1. I'm not sure why being a goon means 'lol no cred', it's not like being a goon instantly kills your brain.
2. Don't call people idiots in a post where you misspell 'are' and 'its'.
3. The patch hasn't come out, but given the information revealed we know enough to be able to see that this is not going to have the desired effects.
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Prognosys
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Posted - 2009.11.08 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dharh
Originally by: Hertford
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Hertford I like how Jade spews forth a veritable wall of words that is just a rehash of CCPs aims without mentioning any of the issues brought up in the rest of this thread. But then this is a terrible thread; Can you blame Jade for not reading it?
To be brutal. This thread is pretty much the same 20 people repeating "waaa-waaaa-it's-not-fair-waaaaa!" again and again and again interspaced with some more spam. As I said earlier - you guys are missing the point with Dominion. Its not about preserving the status quo its about blowing the status quo into a thousand little pieces and seeing what happens to 0.0 without an omni cyno-jammer security blanket for its current occupants.
You will need to struggle to pay upkeeps in Dominion. Thats the point. You will need to retract the size of your claims and focus to keep your head above water. You will need to adapt or die and if you can't survive there will be other players and player entities that can.
The status quo is boring and deeply unattractive. Eve 0.0 endgame needs to change.
Not sure how I can explain that any better for you.
In other words, to engage in Eve's "endgame pvp experience", you need to grind PvE content. Yes, that's going to really improve things. I can see the queues of Empire dwellers lining up at 0.0 chokepoints already ready to move into 0.0.
Let us know when you finally get the point, preferably in one or two sentences, not pages.
_YES_. To do ENDGAME PVP you need the freakin resources to back such a campaign up. And that will require a fully capable alliance/corp. One that has income from many different sources, including the carebare stuff pvp always hate.
If you don't like it, tough ****. Obviously changes should be made, to buff the benfits _and_ nerf lvl 4 empire missions. But all the same, hold and maintaining a sov should be _hard_.
That's the entire ****ing point of this debate. We're saying that the benefits, especially compared to L4s, are too low. You're basically saying 'well if we ignore the bad thing you're complaining about, everything's fine!'
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Prognosys
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Posted - 2009.11.08 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Halaxi Is making 0.0 alliances work harder for their space a bad thing? No.
Is a system that forces 0.0 alliances to view EvE-Online as a second job a good thing? No.
Is there an incentive to go out there, find someone and kick them out of their space, and claim it yourself? Not with Dominion as it is, as all you will inherit is a **** load of expense.
CCP, please remember that this is a game. People play it for fun. And whilst I am sure the vast majority of the player base would not be adverse to having to put more effort into carving out and holding their very own piece of EvE, if you take the fun out of it, then, well, low-sec space and NPC 0.0 might well see a population increase.
Hal.
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Prognosys
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Posted - 2009.11.09 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Hratli Smirks YES OR NO: Due to the increased risk and logistics effort required, 0.0 should be more - not as - profitable (in raw isk/h) than highsec L4 mission running.
:allears:
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Prognosys
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Posted - 2009.11.10 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: Kushmir There is literally nothing static in 0.0 worth fight over anymore.
Lols. /me passes Goons a tissue. Cry more or adapt - you've always got the option of just being a roaming / raiding fleet of pvpers if you cant reach your inner bear.
C.
Yes, how silly we are for neglecting the passing of 0.0 warfare, which for many people is half the fun of Eve.
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Prognosys
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Posted - 2009.11.11 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: gambrinous
Originally by: KeratinBoy What if, along with these changes, CCP decided to charge players through the nose for, well, the same experience?
The updated patch notes now state that they are trying to reduce empire alt sprawl, you know, condense empire carebears into fewer, more lucrative alts. As a result you will have to pay 7 mill a day for any character that logs on in empire. To make things more lucrative, there are now 10 more lvl 3 agents in every system.
just giving this another quote
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