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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.12.06 22:54:00 -
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I think people are losing focus here...
Yes, Co2 is good for the planet, gives nutrients to plants, so they grow. We all can agree here. http://ilovecarbondioxide.com/2009/01/co2-climate-facts.html
Yes, there were higher levels of Co2 in the past, Coral grew more than ever in the higher periods. http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/co2_coral_warming.html
But we're all missing the point of this thread, let's try to stay on topic.
CLIMATE GATE!
The CRU of East Anglia in England actively lied about Man Made Global Warming, faked their data and committed criminal acts in the name of "saving the planet". It is all a big con, as proven by Climate Gate.
Climate Gate in the news.
Jon Stewart, scoops main stream news on Climate Gate. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-december-1-2009/scientists-hide-global-warming-data
Fox news (I don't like Fox Either) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHATItyOsdY
And many more.
Climate gate is the issue here. It is a con!
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.12.06 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sleyha I think people are losing focus here...
Yes, Co2 is good for the planet, gives nutrients to plants, so they grow. We all can agree here. http://ilovecarbondioxide.com/2009/01/co2-climate-facts.html
Yes, there were higher levels of Co2 in the past, Coral grew more than ever in the higher periods. http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/co2_coral_warming.html
But we're all missing the point of this thread, let's try to stay on topic.
CLIMATE GATE!
The CRU of East Anglia in England actively lied about Man Made Global Warming, faked their data and committed criminal acts in the name of "saving the planet". It is all a big con, as proven by Climate Gate.
Climate Gate in the news.
Jon Stewart, scoops main stream news on Climate Gate. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-december-1-2009/scientists-hide-global-warming-data
Fox news (I don't like Fox Either) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHATItyOsdY
And many more.
Climate gate is the issue here. It is a con!
Yeah, those so scandalous emails, they show neither any conspiracy or even fraud. Yet somehow, (although unsurprisingly) is enough to make the deniers even more entrenched, and to claim, a WORLDWIDE conspiracy. But its OK, because Fox News and Saudi Arabia agrees with you.
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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.12.06 23:03:00 -
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A followup, see how their CRU program source code is designed to fudge the data also.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akRHWrJJe54
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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.12.06 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin
Yeah, those so scandalous emails, they show neither any conspiracy or even fraud. Yet somehow, (although unsurprisingly) is enough to make the deniers even more entrenched, and to claim, a WORLDWIDE conspiracy. But its OK, because Fox News and Saudi Arabia agrees with you.
You are wrong.
They wrote that they were using a method of counting temperatures to "hide the decline". http://www.climate-gate.org/email.php?eid=154 They wrote how they "couldn't account for the lack of warming" and it was a "travesty". http://www.climate-gate.org/email.php?eid=1048 They wrote that they want to "Redefine what peer review literature is" to deny sceptical input into journals. http://www.climate-gate.org/email.php?eid=419 They wrote how they "I tried hard to balance the needs of the science and the IPCC" which were not the same. http://www.climate-gate.org/email.php?eid=794
And it goes on and on and on, I could keep going, but it's CLEAR from the acutal emails that I have linked directly, that they're just con men pushing a global warming agenda and YOU ARE WRONG.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.12.07 08:21:00 -
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Interesting article on the motives of the Eco movement, their political efforts, and Climatgate.
Highlights:
"Yes, a clear case. Come on. The whole political agenda of these people is now being seriously questioned. It is no longer a slam-dunk case that we are going to have world central planning in order to control the climate and protect the holy earth from the effects of industrialization. Oh, and tax us good and hard in the process."
" But you know what is most tragic to me about this? This whole hysteria led to a fantastic diversion of energy on the left side of the political spectrum. Instead of working against war and the police state, issues on which the left tends to be pretty good, instincts were diverted to the preposterous cause of creating a statist system for global thermometer management. "
"This made it very difficult for libertarians to cooperate with the left over the last years. Sure, there are some libertarian ideas for dealing with pollution, but none as compelling as central planning, and there was never any way that we would go along with that idea. The costs associated with dismantling industrial civilization outweigh even the worst-case global-warming scenario. "
"Meanwhile, the police state has made unbelievable advances in the last ten years. We all live today in fear of the state's "security" apparatus. Airports have become living chapters in a dystopian novel. The local police treat us like potential terrorists. Crossing the US border is becoming reminiscent of East Germany. You can't go anywhere without your papers. And where has the left been while the whole world is being ****fied? Worrying about my barbecue grill out back. "
"hen there is the war issue. The scary George Bush started war after war and kept them going to bolster his own power and prestige, creating as many enemies as possible through provocations and making up enemies if he had to....And what followed Bush? A president who repudiated this ghastly legacy? No, Obama is a supporter of the same wars and continues them, even ramps them up."
"The left today that supports world government to stop climate change bears little resemblance to the left of 100 years ago, which favored civil liberties and social liberality "
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Rolk Anderson
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Posted - 2009.12.07 08:29:00 -
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Evidence of bad sientific practices yes, evidence of a con, most likely not. The fact is that very few new arguements have arisen from this. The data such as the hiding mwp and the El nino fluctuations recently have been known for ages and have been argued against. To me it seems less like a big con more like a couple of scientists being asked exactly the same questions by every tom **** and harry.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.07 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sleyha
Co2 is good for the planet
Didn't know Cobalt was diatomic
Originally by: Hamshoe
Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.12.07 10:18:00 -
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It doesn't matter who or what is causing climate change. It doesn't matter how severe it can get.
It is *never* a good idea to pollute the environment you rely on for your survival. --------
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.07 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sleyha
Originally by: Xen Gin
Yeah, those so scandalous emails, they show neither any conspiracy or even fraud. Yet somehow, (although unsurprisingly) is enough to make the deniers even more entrenched, and to claim, a WORLDWIDE conspiracy. But its OK, because Fox News and Saudi Arabia agrees with you.
You are wrong.
They wrote that they were using a method of counting temperatures to "hide the decline". http://www.climate-gate.org/email.php?eid=154 They wrote how they "couldn't account for the lack of warming" and it was a "travesty". http://www.climate-gate.org/email.php?eid=1048 They wrote that they want to "Redefine what peer review literature is" to deny sceptical input into journals. http://www.climate-gate.org/email.php?eid=419 They wrote how they "I tried hard to balance the needs of the science and the IPCC" which were not the same. http://www.climate-gate.org/email.php?eid=794
And it goes on and on and on, I could keep going, but it's CLEAR from the acutal emails that I have linked directly, that they're just con men pushing a global warming agenda and YOU ARE WRONG.
That is YOUR interpretation of what was written. Simple words like trick and decline can vary greatly depending on context.
You're the same as burnharder or w/e his name. You think scientists are a homologous group of people, you WANT there to be a conspiracy.
Lunatic.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker
Originally by: Sleyha
Co2 is good for the planet
Didn't know Cobalt was diatomic
The things one learns in the more political OOPE threads are often quite amazing.
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Fire Watch
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Posted - 2009.12.07 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Fire Watch on 07/12/2009 11:55:25 The Communists have hijacked the green movement.
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KPPA
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Posted - 2009.12.07 12:01:00 -
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Are the ice caps really melting? I keep hearing that they are but then every other week or so I see an article that says the exact opposite. I personally have no way of confirming if they are or they aren't but I'm not sold that they are melting.
Here is an article saying they are growing, there are tons of them out there.
By the way, it snowed in Houston for the second year in a row. It's never done that in recorded history.
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Fire Watch
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Posted - 2009.12.07 12:15:00 -
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Isn't overpopulation one of the main factors of the climate change?
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Fire Watch
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Posted - 2009.12.07 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mentorm A question to all the skeptics in this thread (not an insult), if climate change is a great tax swindle, do you think we should carry on as normal? I mean we are cutting down trees at an alarming rate, do we keep going until every last tree on the planet is cut down? The oceans are acidifying also should we continue until there are no fish in the sea? Surely some of you think we should at least, stop fecking around with nature just a tad?
Is overpopulation one of the main causes climate change?
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Rolk Anderson
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Posted - 2009.12.07 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: Rolk Anderson on 07/12/2009 12:43:22 Edited by: Rolk Anderson on 07/12/2009 12:42:30
Originally by: KPPA
By the way, it snowed in Houston for the second year in a row. It's never done that in recorded history.
I honestly don't know how to reply to something quite this stupid.
Quote: The Communists have hijacked the green movement.
In soviet russia climate change you!
Quote: Overpopulation
You could claim this yes, and culling the population would cut Co2 emissions. However there are slightly better options Although i wouldn't object to some Soylent Green
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.12.07 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 07/12/2009 12:40:32
Originally by: KPPA Are the ice caps really melting? I keep hearing that they are but then every other week or so I see an article that says the exact opposite. I personally have no way of confirming if they are or they aren't but I'm not sold that they are melting.
Here is an article saying they are growing, there are tons of them out there.
By the way, it snowed in Houston for the second year in a row. It's never done that in recorded history.
Please for the love of insanity, look up who owns News Limited and these other publishers. Yes, its that man of the people, giver of fair and balanced and free news as a public service, Mr Rupert Murdoch!
*edit Spelling, I just had a tooth filling and the anaesthetic is still with me.
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Mag's
I'm not interested in that, I want truth and facts. But as it stands, the whole argument for GW seems to have been hi-jacked by emotion BS, and vested interests.
Last semester I took the courses Ecology I en II at my uni, labeled 'introduction to ecology'. During one of the last classes they played Al Gore's movie and we discussed it afterwards. The first question posed was 'how much of that is true', and the answer was 'you'd be surprised'. Strip off the political message, strip off the fancy editing and you're left with a core that's based on solid research.
Regardless of what popular science writes and what the conservatives scream, we are having a tremendous impact on this planet, there isn't much debate about that, the debate is in how and howmuch exactly.
So we are in agreement afterall. One thing is for sure though, the information that was made public really hurts the cause of getting people to live more enviroment/eco friendly lives. And that's a bad bad thing indeed.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.07 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: KPPA Are the ice caps really melting? I keep hearing that they are but then every other week or so I see an article that says the exact opposite. I personally have no way of confirming if they are or they aren't but I'm not sold that they are melting.
Here is an article saying they are growing, there are tons of them out there.
By the way, it snowed in Houston for the second year in a row. It's never done that in recorded history.
Anyone who says the arctic ice is growing needs to be shot. in 5-10 years most of the arctic will be free of ice in summer.
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Thargorr
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.07 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz That is YOUR interpretation of what was written. Simple words like trick and decline can vary greatly depending on context.
You're the same as burnharder or w/e his name. You think scientists are a homologous group of people, you WANT there to be a conspiracy.
Lunatic.
Will you please call my answering machine and read your post so I can PLAY IT BACK TO YOU?
"Trick? That doesn't mean trick, that means...play a joke on. It was just a little joke, see! Ha ha. Decline? There was no decline. They meant...rise! That's right today is opposite day. Decline means rise! LA LA LA LA I HAVE MY FINGERS IN MY EARS I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.07 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 07/12/2009 16:11:19
Originally by: Thargorr
Will you please call my answering machine and read your post so I can PLAY IT BACK TO YOU?
"Trick? That doesn't mean trick, that means...play a joke on. It was just a little joke, see! Ha ha. Decline? There was no decline. They meant...rise! That's right today is opposite day. Decline means rise! LA LA LA LA I HAVE MY FINGERS IN MY EARS I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
Not even gonna bother explaining it to you since you're just too stupid.
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.07 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sleyha
You are wrong.
They wrote that they were using a method of counting temperatures to "hide the decline". http://www.climate-gate.org/email.php?eid=154 They wrote how they "couldn't account for the lack of warming" and it was a "travesty". http://www.climate-gate.org/email.php?eid=1048 They wrote that they want to "Redefine what peer review literature is" to deny sceptical input into journals. http://www.climate-gate.org/email.php?eid=419 They wrote how they "I tried hard to balance the needs of the science and the IPCC" which were not the same. http://www.climate-gate.org/email.php?eid=794
And it goes on and on and on, I could keep going, but it's CLEAR from the acutal emails that I have linked directly, that they're just con men pushing a global warming agenda and YOU ARE WRONG.
You are the incarnation of the age of stupid Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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KPPA
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Posted - 2009.12.07 16:30:00 -
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http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/a_new_record_for_antartic_total_ice_extent
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2009.12.07 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 07/12/2009 16:34:58
Originally by: KPPA Are the ice caps really melting? I keep hearing that they are but then every other week or so I see an article that says the exact opposite. I personally have no way of confirming if they are or they aren't but I'm not sold that they are melting.
Sure you do (have a way to confirm this). Google is your friend. Here's a picture from space of the North Pole in 2007 and in 1979. See a difference?
Quote: By the way, it snowed in Houston for the second year in a row. It's never done that in recorded history.
The average temperature on Earth is rising. This is not disputed (the cause of it is). Here's a chart showing global mean temperatures.
That said it does not mean local temperatures won't go down. As the global weather patterns change you very well could get things like snow in Houston.
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KPPA
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Posted - 2009.12.07 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 07/12/2009 16:34:58
Originally by: KPPA Are the ice caps really melting? I keep hearing that they are but then every other week or so I see an article that says the exact opposite. I personally have no way of confirming if they are or they aren't but I'm not sold that they are melting.
Sure you do (have a way to confirm this). Google is your friend. Here's a picture from space of the North Pole in 2007 and in 1979. See a difference?
Quote: By the way, it snowed in Houston for the second year in a row. It's never done that in recorded history.
The average temperature on Earth is rising. This is not disputed (the cause of it is). Here's a chart showing global mean temperatures.
That said it does not mean local temperatures won't go down. As the global weather patterns change you very well could get things like snow in Houston.
I'm not too keen on trusting that picture. look long and hard at it. too many similarities in places that should have been affected. when i get home i'll put it in paint and circle what im talking about if you cant see it.
There is still much debate on the earth's supposed rise in temp. NASA has been caught a few times not using accurate data when trying to say the mean temperature has gone up. This whole climategate thing isn't helping anyone's credibility too.
That being said, i'm very much on the fence about the temp rising. I see seemingly convincing articles all the time that argue one way or the other. Its hard to say who's right because politicking has gone crazy in this field of study.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2009.12.07 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: KPPA http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/a_new_record_for_antartic_total_ice_extent
Argh. This is why critical thinking/reading skills are so important. The way that blog was written sets off a multitude of BS alarms:
* "has quietly set a new record for most ice extent since 1979."
This is an overly qualified statement. Which normally means that someone is focusing on a single or very small set of facts. Looking at a single tree doesn't tell you the overall health of the forest. Extent sounds like a two dimensional term, and the blog uses the term area. The extent/area may be increasing, but what about the volume of ice? If the ice is getting thinner, then there's less ice?
* "While the Antarctic Peninsula area has warmed in recent years and ice near it diminished during the Southern Hemisphere summer, the interior of Antarctica has been colder and ice elsewhere has been more extensive and longer lasting, which explains the increase in total extent." * "Ohio State Researcher David Bromwich, who agreed ôItÆs hard to see a global warming signal from the mainland of Antarctica right nowö. "
Good grief! The interior is colder, but the exterior is warmer? Gee, maybe the exterior is much bigger than the interior due to having more surface area. Ex: if the interior is 25% of the area and is colder, but the exterior comprises 75% and is getting warmer, then I'm going to say that Antarctica is warming up overall.
* "This winter has been an especially harsh one in the Southern Hemisphere with cold and snow records set in Australia, South America and Africa. We will have recap on this hard winter shortly. "
Duh. Climate change/global warming doesn't mean that winters will always get warmer. Two winters doesn't form a trend. Plus, one of the reasons that global warming is so feared is because the cold areas will get much colder and the warm areas will get much hotter, which reduces the temperate zones (where most of our food is grown) and increases weather volatility (the boundary between the very cold and very hot areas will produce violent weather (and making it even more difficult to grow food.))
Weasel words, doublespeak, context, what isn't said, how things are said... I swear, half the time you can debunk an article/politician based on how things were said instead of what was actually said.
Oh look, here's another article about the increasing ice extent. It actually explains why the ice extent is increasing in Antarctica and decreasing in the Arctic, namely the hole in the ozone layer: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090421101629.htm
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KPPA
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Posted - 2009.12.07 17:03:00 -
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I'm surprised no one has brought up the sunspot activity theories yet. Any takers?
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KPPA
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Posted - 2009.12.07 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux
Extent sounds like a two dimensional term, and the blog uses the term area. The extent/area may be increasing, but what about the volume of ice? If the ice is getting thinner, then there's less ice?
Good point.
Originally by: stoicfaux
Good grief! The interior is colder, but the exterior is warmer? Gee, maybe the exterior is much bigger than the interior due to having more surface area. Ex: if the interior is 25% of the area and is colder, but the exterior comprises 75% and is getting warmer, then I'm going to say that Antarctica is warming up overall.
I'm not too sure is the interior is larger then the exterior. However, your point was a good one tho, he did not clearly state dimensions. I believe the author if this blog is by no means an expert he is merely gathering work and data done by others.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.12.07 17:25:00 -
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Diatomic Cobalt is a very dangerous substance. If there is a high concentration of it in only one single place, it will start a chain reaction that ignites the atmosphere, turning the whole planet into the raging inferno of a small star for a week, when it dies down again, leaving the planet a barren molten blob.
If we don't stop production of Diatomic Cobalt right now, we will all die! This is not a joke! --------
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2009.12.07 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 07/12/2009 17:28:03
Originally by: KPPA I'm not too keen on trusting that picture. look long and hard at it. too many similarities in places that should have been affected. when i get home i'll put it in paint and circle what im talking about if you cant see it.
There is still much debate on the earth's supposed rise in temp. NASA has been caught a few times not using accurate data when trying to say the mean temperature has gone up. This whole climategate thing isn't helping anyone's credibility too.
That being said, i'm very much on the fence about the temp rising. I see seemingly convincing articles all the time that argue one way or the other. Its hard to say who's right because politicking has gone crazy in this field of study.
Here's a video illustrating the same thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hgvNO_WT9o&NR=1
Don't like that? How about NASA?
Quote: Greenland Ice Cap Melting Faster Than Ever
November 12, 2009
Satellite observations and a state-of-the art regional atmospheric model have independently confirmed that the Greenland ice sheet is loosing mass at an accelerating rate, reports a new study in Science.
This mass loss is equally distributed between increased iceberg production, driven by acceleration of Greenland's fast-flowing outlet glaciers, and increased mel****er production at the ice sheet surface. Recent warm summers further accelerated the mass loss to 273 Gt per year (1 Gt is the mass of 1 cubic kilometre of water), in the period 2006-2008, which represents 0.75 mm of global sea level rise per year.
SOURCE: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/view.php?id=41402&src=eorss-manews
New NASA Satellite Survey Reveals Dramatic Arctic Sea Ice Thinning Arctic sea ice thinned dramatically between the winters of 2004 and 2008, with thin seasonal ice replacing thick older ice as the dominant type for the first time on record. The new results, based on data from a NASA Earth-orbiting spacecraft, provide further evidence for the rapid, ongoing transformation of the Arctic's ice cover.
Scientists from NASA and the University of Washington in Seattle conducted the most comprehensive survey to date using observations from NASA's Ice, Cloud and land Elevation Satellite, known as ICESat, to make the first basin-wide estimate of the thickness and volume of the Arctic Ocean's ice cover. Ron Kwok of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., led the research team, which published its findings July 7 in the Journal of Geophysical Research-Oceans.
SOURCE: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-107
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Fei Shinto
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Posted - 2009.12.07 17:32:00 -
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Manmade Global Warming...Real or Fraud?
Either way the Global powers that be will find a way to tax you, profit from it, inflate bubbles similar to the Derivatives toxic waste, and when everyone is turned to dust the global puppet masters will have had immense fun pleasuring themselves with your CO2 emissions. Enjoy your ignorance to the real issue.
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