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Bayer22
Minmatar F.R.E.E. Explorer Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.03.02 05:23:00 -
[91]
GL C0ven and SE. always liked roaming down there
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 05:36:00 -
[92]
Stain Empire will hold their own, and possibly c0ven as well. Might not be sov-space, but they will likely survive based on their past performances.
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Salmeria
Gallente Advanced Component Research Enterprise SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.02 05:51:00 -
[93]
Sounds like Lian Fremen sucks Molles **** like it a popsicle!
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Airborne Ninja
Minmatar GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.02 06:41:00 -
[94]
get out
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2010.03.02 06:54:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 02/03/2010 06:56:22
Originally by: Xeovar Stoner At downtime March 1st 2010, C0ven resets standings to Systematic Chaos alliance.
Detailed reasons for this decision are described below. We are aware that big boys may intervene, however this is a game and there are things more important (and more fun) then space. We have not reset any standings besides SYS-K, we will however respond immediately to any cases of blue fire. To make everything crystal clear - we are not resetting SYS-K because we have grudge against this alliance nor because we want their space. We reset them, because Liam Freemen, the absolute ruler of SYS-K can no longer be trusted as an ally. We have no quarrel with majority of SYS-K members, however SYS-K is a dictatorship ran by Liam and that makes you our enemies.
SYS-K vs SE/C0ven - the anatomy of conflict. Rewind 2+ years, before anyone ever heard of StainWagon and its members. SE and C0ven were fighting against each other and Deus Ex - then Liam's alliance. Few months later we SE and C0ven started to cooperate against MASS and Red Alliance - this was the original beginings of our cooperation. It has developed into a more permanent situation and we started to consider going after goon-held esoteria. At this stage Liam reformed his alliance into SYS-K and approached us about him joining the Eso operation. After some thought we have agreed to let Liam in on the op and so StainWagon was born. It took a few tries and a lot of time to actually conquer Esoteria over a year ago. We have settled and continued fight against goons, mostly in accord with our allies and in remote areas. SYS-K used this time to absorb huge numbers of people, but our relationships have been straight (bare some minor disagreements on lands etc) until maybe few months ago. As SYSK grew and Liam started to feel strong, he became most arrogant. Took decisions in name of StainWagon (even though it always was a loose relationship, based on loyalty and indepdence), he started calling himself the chief of SW.... used it as a leverage to build some political clout with the big boys and followed by a lot of brown-nosing. With his ego growing faster then alliance it became visible how his loyalty to the people who helped him build his empire diminishes. First check, Period Basis rush - Liam offered us some moons for the support (as we didnt want space) as he was organizing this rush being the most desperate for new space, which ended being the same moons he offered to IT to keep them happy after he claimed the region dependant on them. Second check, the -A- alt corp freighter we have accidentaly blew up and the hothead pvpers :) who caused unnecesary escalation... while SE clearly declared to support us if **** hits the fan, Liam decided to sit on the fence declaring "neutrality". Third check, when SE reset IT for roams (we really believe NIPs can work and would be preferable to NAPs) and IT came to enforce they will Liam closed his station to SE and invited IT to operate from his stations. At this moment SYSK directors started publicily stating SYSK are no longer members of StainWagon. Fourth check we were led to believe that recent rush for last Esoteria constellation (which was since begining declared to be a common ground) is a first step to claiming entire Esotera and removing SE and C0ven presence by any means necessary - therefore we are merely pre-empting the plan Liam already set in motion.
Ave C0ven!
In the name of C0ven Council Xeovar Stoner C0ven diplomat
Nice, hope you guys win. :)
Originally by: Endeva something that will never happen up north:D
There needs to be more of this tbh. --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market ! |
Master SpaceNinja
Caldari Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 06:55:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Airborne Ninja get out
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.03.02 08:55:00 -
[97]
:frogout: ---
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Dr Stroomb
Amarr moonshine ventures
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Posted - 2010.03.02 09:42:00 -
[98]
Let me summarise what is being said here.
SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.
What I never managed to understand is the following: how do pvpers fund their activities? I doubt it's only through loot/salvage of the wrecks. Someone, please, illuminate me.
As I understand it, a pvper who looks down on, and snobs carebears definitely has a carebear alt (or many alts) himself. Or is himself the leader of an alliance or CEO who makes other players' lives miserable by pushing them away from what they like to do most. I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.
(Dudes, make sure you select the right pvp alt to reply to this - there's a character selection field some line further down)
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.03.02 09:47:00 -
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Miners/Industrialists/Ratters are not necessarily carebears, a carebear is someone who whines and complains about PvPers. The term has lost a lot of meaning though.
Personally I make all my isk trading. ---
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OrDeR
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 09:59:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Dr Stroomb Let me summarise what is being said here.
SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.
What I never managed to understand is the following: how do pvpers fund their activities? I doubt it's only through loot/salvage of the wrecks. Someone, please, illuminate me.
As I understand it, a pvper who looks down on, and snobs carebears definitely has a carebear alt (or many alts) himself. Or is himself the leader of an alliance or CEO who makes other players' lives miserable by pushing them away from what they like to do most. I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.
(Dudes, make sure you select the right pvp alt to reply to this - there's a character selection field some line further down)
Real pvpers have spies and steal isk. Let me know if you find any Real ones, I need some pointers.. I have illuminated you.
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Dr Stroomb
Amarr moonshine ventures
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Posted - 2010.03.02 10:07:00 -
[101]
Originally by: OrDeR
Originally by: Dr Stroomb Let me summarise what is being said here.
SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.
What I never managed to understand is the following: how do pvpers fund their activities? I doubt it's only through loot/salvage of the wrecks. Someone, please, illuminate me.
As I understand it, a pvper who looks down on, and snobs carebears definitely has a carebear alt (or many alts) himself. Or is himself the leader of an alliance or CEO who makes other players' lives miserable by pushing them away from what they like to do most. I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.
(Dudes, make sure you select the right pvp alt to reply to this - there's a character selection field some line further down)
Real pvpers have spies and steal isk. Let me know if you find any Real ones, I need some pointers.. I have illuminated you.
But you cannot steal forever, can you?? You soon get a reputation. Even if you keep making new alts, it's not easy to get access to wallets, especially with young alts.
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VCBee 2fast2furious
Gallente GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.02 10:30:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Dr Stroomb Let me summarise what is being said here.
SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers.
No, SE/C0VEN are attacking because SYS-K, who owe their current position to the long-standing support of SE, failed to show a united front when IT attacked Paragon Soul last week, and gave tacit support to IT's invasion.
That sort of **** is always going to break up friendships.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.03.02 10:32:00 -
[103]
OrDeR is a ~ReAl~ PvPeR, and not just a FOTM chaser, you can tell because in the past 2 years he has been in the following well respected and non-FOTM alliances.
IAC, KIA, PuPPeT MaSTeRs, Cult of War, Minor Threat, Zenith Affinity, White Noise, Triumvirate. ---
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OrDeR
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 10:33:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Dr Stroomb
Originally by: OrDeR
Originally by: Dr Stroomb Let me summarise what is being said here.
SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.
What I never managed to understand is the following: how do pvpers fund their activities? I doubt it's only through loot/salvage of the wrecks. Someone, please, illuminate me.
As I understand it, a pvper who looks down on, and snobs carebears definitely has a carebear alt (or many alts) himself. Or is himself the leader of an alliance or CEO who makes other players' lives miserable by pushing them away from what they like to do most. I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.
(Dudes, make sure you select the right pvp alt to reply to this - there's a character selection field some line further down)
Real pvpers have spies and steal isk. Let me know if you find any Real ones, I need some pointers.. I have illuminated you.
But you cannot steal forever, can you?? You soon get a reputation. Even if you keep making new alts, it's not easy to get access to wallets, especially with young alts.
Yeah you can. Here's a simple scam:
Buy a two chars with 30mil sp each go through there corp history and apply to them corps in the history. While the corp members think you are the old owner you slowly get access to what you need. Once you have accomplished your goal sell the chars and buy new ones.
Its all about talking sh*t, if you can talk sh*t you can get access to anything. Make sure to scam enough to cover the transfer fees etc.
note* takes isk to make isk.
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OrDeR
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 10:47:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Suitonia OrDeR is a ~ReAl~ PvPeR, and not just a FOTM chaser, you can tell because in the past 2 years he has been in the following well respected and non-FOTM alliances.
IAC, KIA, PuPPeT MaSTeRs, Cult of War, Minor Threat, Zenith Affinity, White Noise, Triumvirate.
Seems you are the new FOTM. Where can I app ?
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Gryana
Gallente Silver Snake Enterprise Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.02 11:50:00 -
[106]
Originally by: VCBee 2fast2furious
Originally by: Dr Stroomb Let me summarise what is being said here.
SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers.
No, SE/C0VEN are attacking because SYS-K, who owe their current position to the long-standing support of SE, failed to show a united front when IT attacked Paragon Soul last week, and gave tacit support to IT's invasion.
That sort of **** is always going to break up friendships.
What is of course missing from the summary is the large amount of diplo work done before during and after the SE/IT Drama Llama came round for tea and cake.
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Giacomo Carissimi
Gallente ElitistOps
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Posted - 2010.03.02 13:31:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Gryana This can only end well :S
i know, right? look at all these awful posts by sys-k.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 15:02:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Dr Stroomb I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.
LOL
Yeah thousands of people play this PvP game because they just want to carebear in peace. They even moved to null to do it.
My thanks to SE and c0ven for making sure the south doesn't go the way of the north and remains a worthwhile place to live. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards. |
Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.02 15:45:00 -
[109]
Originally by: OrDeR
Originally by: Dr Stroomb
Originally by: OrDeR
Originally by: Dr Stroomb Let me summarise what is being said here.
SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.
What I never managed to understand is the following: how do pvpers fund their activities? I doubt it's only through loot/salvage of the wrecks. Someone, please, illuminate me.
As I understand it, a pvper who looks down on, and snobs carebears definitely has a carebear alt (or many alts) himself. Or is himself the leader of an alliance or CEO who makes other players' lives miserable by pushing them away from what they like to do most. I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.
(Dudes, make sure you select the right pvp alt to reply to this - there's a character selection field some line further down)
Real pvpers have spies and steal isk. Let me know if you find any Real ones, I need some pointers.. I have illuminated you.
But you cannot steal forever, can you?? You soon get a reputation. Even if you keep making new alts, it's not easy to get access to wallets, especially with young alts.
Yeah you can. Here's a simple scam:
Buy a two chars with 30mil sp each go through there corp history and apply to them corps in the history. While the corp members think you are the old owner you slowly get access to what you need. Once you have accomplished your goal sell the chars and buy new ones.
Its all about talking sh*t, if you can talk sh*t you can get access to anything. Make sure to scam enough to cover the transfer fees etc.
note* takes isk to make isk.
The Truth is much simpler. Most of the Elite-PvP types have some Macros running somewhere to get their ISK, other sell GTC en masse, which is legit, or directly purchase their ISKs at the local farmer store.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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T'Aldaani
Minmatar Igneus Auctorita SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.03 02:11:00 -
[110]
Best of luck, c0ven.
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PDP Kordal
Gallente Eye of God Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.03 03:57:00 -
[111]
To Coven, Hope to see you on the battle field again. After sitting camping CVA for soo many days. it is good to find someone that shoots back. This morning has made my day.
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Nobani
Minmatar Merch Industrial SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.03 04:09:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Dr Stroomb I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.
Just because you're an achiever doesn't mean everyone is.
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Asheru
Caldari HeartVenom Inc. Legiunea ROmana
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Posted - 2010.03.03 06:20:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon The Truth is much simpler. Most of the Elite-PvP types have some Macros running somewhere to get their ISK, other sell GTC en masse, which is legit, or directly purchase their ISKs at the local farmer store.
Thread got sort of quiet, all of a sudden.
*crickets*
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Dr Stroomb
Amarr moonshine ventures
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Posted - 2010.03.03 07:07:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Nobani
Originally by: Dr Stroomb I bet if you let your members alone, without any harassing to join fleet, very few will join, which tells loads. I'm saying this to all.
Just because you're an achiever doesn't mean everyone is.
Nice document, well done and thanks for the information. Still my point is, please stop pushing people around.
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Dr Stroomb
Amarr moonshine ventures
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Posted - 2010.03.03 07:14:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Asheru
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon The Truth is much simpler. Most of the Elite-PvP types have some Macros running somewhere to get their ISK, other sell GTC en masse, which is legit, or directly purchase their ISKs at the local farmer store.
Thread got sort of quiet, all of a sudden.
*crickets*
Yes it suddenly did...
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Kel'taith
Gallente Eve Defence Force Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.03 07:27:00 -
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Good fight c0ven, you brought it outnumbered and completely out gunned against our fleet and an ECM Large tower with gunners. Without hesitation I might add. It's rare to fight anyone with balls, we certainly didn't find enemies of your quality against goons, bricks, or CVA. I look forward to many good fights in the future, It saddens me we could not find a way to remain friends through recent events.
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Venzon 2003
Caldari Beach Boys Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.04 02:56:00 -
[117]
friendly bump
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Dr Stroomb
Amarr moonshine ventures
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Posted - 2010.03.05 07:05:00 -
[118]
... bump ...
answers guys, more answers ...
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Dynast
Gallente Eve Defence Force Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.05 08:17:00 -
[119]
Another major engagement took place yesterday, this one in SE/Coven's favor. Looks like they're serious about their 'GTFO of eso' ultimatum, as they're dropping SBUs and reinforcing poses. Will be good times this weekend.
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Nestor Ne'Arthe
Amarr RennTech BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.05 09:06:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Dr Stroomb Let me summarise what is being said here.
SE and Coven are attacking sys-k because sys-k is made up of carebears and SE/Coven are pvpers. Pvpers like action and hate carebearing so this puts them on a path of collision.
What I have always failed to grasp, is why do PvP'ers insist on attacking people that definately are not interested in such activities. I mean, seriously, if you're a "pr0 l33t pvper" pick on someone who can actually give you a beating. I find shooting easy targets dull, but it seems that way too many people need instant gratification on their actions. A good comparison would be playing a game with a 6 year old. You let him win, in obvious ways, and he's happy every single time, because he "won", and at the end of the day that is all that matters ;-)
As for getting the money - everyone rats, everyone. That is all.
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