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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.07.14 19:45:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Cearain wrote:Tres Farmer wrote:Is there no TextToSpeech tech ready yet for you folks to listen instead of reading? I mean, this Siri thing can already talk and answer on your questions.. must be way easier just reading out sentences written by humans, no?
@CSM, good work! I'm not sure if this was directed to me but if so I am not really being clear. I am saying they should just record the actual meetings witth the devs and edit out the parts that they feel the players shouldn't hear. it would surely be much quicker, easier, more timely, and transparant than messing around with minutes months after the meeting. personally I might listen to 2 or 3 sessions. Whatever intrests me. The problem there is the NDA parts aren't necessarily clearly defined and seperated from the OK parts.
True, it might get a bit choppy if they have allot of stuff they don't want the players to hear. Its just a suggestion. I would think some sessions woudl be easy to kick out (like perhaps the ui) others maybe not so much. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
2046
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Posted - 2012.07.15 02:26:00 -
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Updated, we are now done with the first drafts for all sessions.
As for releasing a full transcript or the audio or video of the sessions, there are a few reasons why that is not a good idea: 1) CCPers will have to be *much* more careful what they say. You guys already carefully parse everything they write on the forums, just thing what he tinfoil hat brigade would do with 24 hours of video! 2) As I mentioned before, it is 24 hours of video. Most people on the CSM who don't go to iceland don't even watch all the sessions. You can ready the 150 or 200 pages of minutes a lot quicker. 3) Having text makes it a lot easier to quote small portions for discussion here. Trust me, even just transcribing a few minutes of speech into a few quick paragraphs isn't easy, and you guys don't want to all be doing it.
With that being said, I think it might be interesting to release some of the videos, especially after some time has passed and NDA concerns are no longer important. I think it would be really good for the CSM process for everyone to understand how the Iceland summit works. Sadly, I don't think the videos of the past summits would be worth putting up, as you really cannot follow what is going on. Now that we have the new Lync camera thing, it might be worth thinking about putting some of the videos from this summit up sometime in the future. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2664
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Posted - 2012.07.15 02:30:00 -
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Cearain wrote: All this extra work due to a super secret nda is pretty crazy.
If ccp just did away with the nda they could just record the sessions release it on mp3 and be done with it. Actually I think they still could just delete the parts they feel are too secret for the players, and be done with it.
The extra work really has nothing to do with the NDA. The NDA has this mystique about it - many players thinks that we wave it like a red cape to deflect charging bulls, others think its what CCP uses it to protect its super secret skunkworks plans about the next button to add to the UI that players would rage if they knew existed - but really its much simpler. The NDA covers the stuff that would damage the company - stuff like specific release dates for Dust 514 features, or theoretical pricing models they don't want competitors to hear. I've seen how the sessions have gone through the review process, and the NDA has been used primarily to delete several words here and there, or a sentence at the most. It's not once been used to black out an entire conversation, or to censor a particular topic. If it was discussed at all during the summit, it was recorded.
The reason the minutes are longer, is because of the transparency the players are asking for. You wanted to know who said what about a particular topic, and breaking down conversations in this manner, even to get the main ideas across in each dialogue, takes a lot more words. We avoid the minutia of people talking about the schedule for the rest of the day, or what's for lunch, or who they're waiting on to come back from a bathroom break. So no blah blah.
But you are going to hear some detailed conversations about how exactly to adjust a particular feature, and who wanted to see it done this way or that way. That's what we heard everyone wanted to hear, for accountability's sake as well as to sharply focus player feedback onto the specific direction CCP wants to go with a feature.
I personally think this is a huge step in the right direction, we'll see how this works out for the community. There's nothing to say we can't further iterate on the minutes process for the winter summit. I'm sure there will be no shortage of suggestions on how to make them even better, you'll just have to read them first and see what you think. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
39
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:59:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: who they're waiting on to come back from a bathroom break. So no blah blah. What if someone genuinely wants more transparency on your bladder functions? Isn't this a sandbox ?!?
With that said, I am really glad that the minutes now contains who actually said the things. It's a huge improvement and I am sure it will have effects on the next election debates. Again, thanks for the work. It is much appreciated! |
Captain Praxis
EVE University Ivy League
107
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Posted - 2012.07.15 15:56:00 -
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Greater transparency sounds fantastic to me, and I keenly await the opportunity to read about your lunchtime menu discussions |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4322
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Posted - 2012.07.15 19:38:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
The reason the minutes are longer, is because of the transparency the players are asking for.
Allow me to tl;dr the demands of the EVE community for you:
"CCP I want you to fix everything that's wrong, do it RIGHT NOW and do it WITHOUT CHANGING ANYTHING"
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4322
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Posted - 2012.07.15 19:39:00 -
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And if they don't do it right away, and if they do change anything, then it proves that the CSM are a useless PR trick populated wholly by 0.0 alliance puppets who are in it purely for a free trip to Iceland. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
492
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Posted - 2012.07.15 20:46:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Cearain wrote: All this extra work due to a super secret nda is pretty crazy.
If ccp just did away with the nda they could just record the sessions release it on mp3 and be done with it. Actually I think they still could just delete the parts they feel are too secret for the players, and be done with it. The extra work really has nothing to do with the NDA. The NDA has this mystique about it - many players thinks that we wave it like a red cape to deflect charging bulls, others think its what CCP uses it to protect its super secret skunkworks plans about the next button to add to the UI that players would rage if they knew existed - but really its much simpler. The NDA covers the stuff that would damage the company - stuff like release dates or pricing that they wouldn't want competitors to hear. I've seen how the sessions have gone through the review process, and the NDA has been used primarily to delete several words here and there, or a sentence at the most. It's not once been used to black out an entire conversation, or to censor a particular topic. If it was discussed at all during the summit, it was recorded. The reason the minutes are longer, is because of the transparency the players are asking for. You wanted to know who said what about a particular topic, and breaking down conversations in this manner, even to get the main ideas across in each dialogue, takes a lot more words. We avoid the minutia of people talking about the schedule for the rest of the day, or what's for lunch, or who they're waiting on to come back from a bathroom break. So no blah blah. But you are going to hear some detailed conversations about how exactly to adjust a particular feature, and who wanted to see it done this way or that way. That's what we heard everyone wanted to hear, for accountability's sake as well as to sharply focus player feedback onto the specific direction CCP wants to go with a feature. I personally think this is a huge step in the right direction, we'll see how this works out for the community. There's nothing to say we can't further iterate on the minutes process for the winter summit. I'm sure there will be no shortage of suggestions on how to make them even better, you'll just have to read them first and see what you think.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
492
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Posted - 2012.07.15 21:01:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Cearain wrote: All this extra work due to a super secret nda is pretty crazy.
If ccp just did away with the nda they could just record the sessions release it on mp3 and be done with it. Actually I think they still could just delete the parts they feel are too secret for the players, and be done with it. The extra work really has nothing to do with the NDA. The NDA has this mystique about it - many players thinks that we wave it like a red cape to deflect charging bulls, others think its what CCP uses it to protect its super secret skunkworks plans about the next button to add to the UI that players would rage if they knew existed - but really its much simpler. The NDA covers the stuff that would damage the company - stuff like release dates or pricing that they wouldn't want competitors to hear. I've seen how the sessions have gone through the review process, and the NDA has been used primarily to delete several words here and there, or a sentence at the most. It's not once been used to black out an entire conversation, or to censor a particular topic. If it was discussed at all during the summit, it was recorded. The reason the minutes are longer, is because of the transparency the players are asking for. You wanted to know who said what about a particular topic, and breaking down conversations in this manner, even to get the main ideas across in each dialogue, takes a lot more words. We avoid the minutia of people talking about the schedule for the rest of the day, or what's for lunch, or who they're waiting on to come back from a bathroom break. So no blah blah. But you are going to hear some detailed conversations about how exactly to adjust a particular feature, and who wanted to see it done this way or that way. That's what we heard everyone wanted to hear, for accountability's sake as well as to sharply focus player feedback onto the specific direction CCP wants to go with a feature. I personally think this is a huge step in the right direction, we'll see how this works out for the community. There's nothing to say we can't further iterate on the minutes process for the winter summit. I'm sure there will be no shortage of suggestions on how to make them even better, you'll just have to read them first and see what you think.
I'm sure the minutes will be better than in the past. They could hardly be worse than when we had "the csm" suggested x and we didn't even know who on the csm suggested what and therefore had to read third party blogs to find out.
But at least for me, in faction war, so much has changed in the last few months its hard for me to even rember what sort of back ground you had going into that summit. I have a hunch much of what I am interested in, will be old news.
Just a suggestion. Maybe next time when you meet take care of preliminary stuff like who you are waiting for and where the next meeting will be and then after that is done, just start a recorder to get the meat of the discussion. If the person in charge of minutes writes down the times where pricing and release dates (or anything else possibly nda related) came up the editing should be easy. If you have a 3 hour session going through and deleting out release dates or pricing stuff shouldn't be that hard to do right after the summit. No big deal.
You could have an mp3 of the minutes in a week or 2.
This is not a complaint, its just a suggestion to make it easier on you guys. I have done things similar to minutes and I know what sort of headache it can be where people are trying to read them and remember back weeks ago - let alone months.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
492
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Posted - 2012.07.15 21:14:00 -
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Two step wrote:Updated, we are now done with the first drafts for all sessions.
As for releasing a full transcript or the audio or video of the sessions, there are a few reasons why that is not a good idea: 1) CCPers will have to be *much* more careful what they say. You guys already carefully parse everything they write on the forums, just thing what he tinfoil hat brigade would do with 24 hours of video! 2) As I mentioned before, it is 24 hours of video. Most people on the CSM who don't go to iceland don't even watch all the sessions. You can ready the 150 or 200 pages of minutes a lot quicker. 3) Having text makes it a lot easier to quote small portions for discussion here. Trust me, even just transcribing a few minutes of speech into a few quick paragraphs isn't easy, and you guys don't want to all be doing it.
With that being said, I think it might be interesting to release some of the videos, especially after some time has passed and NDA concerns are no longer important. I think it would be really good for the CSM process for everyone to understand how the Iceland summit works. Sadly, I don't think the videos of the past summits would be worth putting up, as you really cannot follow what is going on. Now that we have the new Lync camera thing, it might be worth thinking about putting some of the videos from this summit up sometime in the future.
Whatever you guys want to do. If this whole minutes stuff is as much work as you guys suggest and there really isn't that much nda I would just edit the video (or audio) and be done with it.
As for your specific points:
1) I don't really care about tinfoil hats and I think accomodating them is a bad idea. But if you want to go ahead.
2) I don't see how you could create minutes of 24 hours of sessions faster than you could simply edit out certain parts that you could easily mark as you go. Like I said the person recording could mark the times of the recording when things likely dealing with nda came up etc. But again its your time.
3) I don't think anyone would need to transcribe it. I'm not sure how this applies. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
2048
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Posted - 2012.07.16 01:21:00 -
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The issue would be that if someone wanted to know what happened at the summit, they would either have to watch 24 hours of video or rely on someone else to do so.
I have asked for stuff like this in the past, and I don't think CCP would be willing to do it. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2668
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Posted - 2012.07.16 16:40:00 -
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Two step wrote:The issue would be that if someone wanted to know what happened at the summit, they would either have to watch 24 hours of video or rely on someone else to do so.
I have asked for stuff like this in the past, and I don't think CCP would be willing to do it.
I think its important to remember that there is nothing obligating CCP employees to appear on publicly-disseminated video, or audio for that matter. Many may not feel comfortable doing so, and that's totally fine. Just because you are shy or want to maintain privacy doesn't mean you're covering up some big secret or that you don't want to take responsibility for your statements.
So while l, too, think there isn't much harm in releasing the videos from an NDA point of view, it may never happen for this reason alone. That's why we're working to get as much transparency as possible while still making the developers feel comfortable, we want them to continue to share with us for many years to come.
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
492
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:45:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Two step wrote:The issue would be that if someone wanted to know what happened at the summit, they would either have to watch 24 hours of video or rely on someone else to do so.
I have asked for stuff like this in the past, and I don't think CCP would be willing to do it. I think its important to remember that there is nothing obligating CCP employees to appear on publicly-disseminated video, or audio for that matter. Many may not feel comfortable doing so, and that's totally fine. Just because you are shy or want to maintain privacy doesn't mean you're covering up some big secret or that you don't want to take responsibility for your statements. So while l, too, think there isn't much harm in releasing the videos from an NDA point of view, it may never happen for this reason alone. That's why we're working to get as much transparency as possible while still making the developers feel comfortable, we want them to continue to share with us for many years to come.
Two step: Put out the different sesssions in seperate mp3s. You are dividing the minutes into about 20 different catagories so its the same thing. Like I said, I would just listen to a few sessions on topics I am interested in. I think very few would watch 24 hours of it, just like few will read all the minutes. People will just read/watch what they are interested in.
Hans: As far as not wanting to be public I'm not sure that would be an issue. I mean the people who are in the session from ccp are announced. So we know who it is communicating from ccp at these sessions from reading the minutes. If something happened that was just embarrassing that could be cut.
Again I don't really care. I'm just trying to be helpful. The process just seems way more burdensome than it needs to be. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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joes Bazooka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.07.16 21:00:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Two step wrote:The issue would be that if someone wanted to know what happened at the summit, they would either have to watch 24 hours of video or rely on someone else to do so.
I have asked for stuff like this in the past, and I don't think CCP would be willing to do it. I think its important to remember that there is nothing obligating CCP employees to appear on publicly-disseminated video, or audio for that matter. Many may not feel comfortable doing so, and that's totally fine. Just because you are shy or want to maintain privacy doesn't mean you're covering up some big secret or that you don't want to take responsibility for your statements. So while l, too, think there isn't much harm in releasing the videos from an NDA point of view, it may never happen for this reason alone. That's why we're working to get as much transparency as possible while still making the developers feel comfortable, we want them to continue to share with us for many years to come. Two step: Put out the different sesssions in seperate mp3s. You are dividing the minutes into about 20 different catagories so its the same thing. Like I said, I would just listen to a few sessions on topics I am interested in. I think very few would watch 24 hours of it, just like few will read all the minutes. People will just read/watch what they are interested in. Hans: As far as not wanting to be public I'm not sure that would be an issue. I mean the people who are in the session from ccp are announced. So we know who it is communicating from ccp at these sessions from reading the minutes. If something happened that was just embarrassing that could be cut. Again I don't really care. I'm just trying to be helpful. The process just seems way more burdensome than it needs to be.
I think it's a mute point now as they are all but done, just wait a little longer and read until your eyes bleed. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4327
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Posted - 2012.07.16 21:35:00 -
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joes Bazooka wrote:Cearain wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Two step wrote:The issue would be that if someone wanted to know what happened at the summit, they would either have to watch 24 hours of video or rely on someone else to do so.
I have asked for stuff like this in the past, and I don't think CCP would be willing to do it. I think its important to remember that there is nothing obligating CCP employees to appear on publicly-disseminated video, or audio for that matter. Many may not feel comfortable doing so, and that's totally fine. Just because you are shy or want to maintain privacy doesn't mean you're covering up some big secret or that you don't want to take responsibility for your statements. So while l, too, think there isn't much harm in releasing the videos from an NDA point of view, it may never happen for this reason alone. That's why we're working to get as much transparency as possible while still making the developers feel comfortable, we want them to continue to share with us for many years to come. Two step: Put out the different sesssions in seperate mp3s. You are dividing the minutes into about 20 different catagories so its the same thing. Like I said, I would just listen to a few sessions on topics I am interested in. I think very few would watch 24 hours of it, just like few will read all the minutes. People will just read/watch what they are interested in. Hans: As far as not wanting to be public I'm not sure that would be an issue. I mean the people who are in the session from ccp are announced. So we know who it is communicating from ccp at these sessions from reading the minutes. If something happened that was just embarrassing that could be cut. Again I don't really care. I'm just trying to be helpful. The process just seems way more burdensome than it needs to be. I think it's a mute point now as they are all but done, just wait a little longer and read until your eyes bleed.
THE WORD IS "MOOT". It's a MOOT POINT. MUTE MEANS "SILENCED OR UNABLE TO SPEAK". IT'S A DIFFERENT WORD ENTIRELY.
Spread the word. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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joes Bazooka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.07.16 21:53:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:joes Bazooka wrote:Cearain wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Two step wrote:The issue would be that if someone wanted to know what happened at the summit, they would either have to watch 24 hours of video or rely on someone else to do so.
I have asked for stuff like this in the past, and I don't think CCP would be willing to do it. I think its important to remember that there is nothing obligating CCP employees to appear on publicly-disseminated video, or audio for that matter. Many may not feel comfortable doing so, and that's totally fine. Just because you are shy or want to maintain privacy doesn't mean you're covering up some big secret or that you don't want to take responsibility for your statements. So while l, too, think there isn't much harm in releasing the videos from an NDA point of view, it may never happen for this reason alone. That's why we're working to get as much transparency as possible while still making the developers feel comfortable, we want them to continue to share with us for many years to come. Two step: Put out the different sesssions in seperate mp3s. You are dividing the minutes into about 20 different catagories so its the same thing. Like I said, I would just listen to a few sessions on topics I am interested in. I think very few would watch 24 hours of it, just like few will read all the minutes. People will just read/watch what they are interested in. Hans: As far as not wanting to be public I'm not sure that would be an issue. I mean the people who are in the session from ccp are announced. So we know who it is communicating from ccp at these sessions from reading the minutes. If something happened that was just embarrassing that could be cut. Again I don't really care. I'm just trying to be helpful. The process just seems way more burdensome than it needs to be. I think it's a mute point now as they are all but done, just wait a little longer and read until your eyes bleed. THE WORD IS "MOOT". It's a MOOT POINT. MUTE MEANS "SILENCED OR UNABLE TO SPEAK". IT'S A DIFFERENT WORD ENTIRELY. Spread the word.
Cool story, your keyboards is so much smarter than mine. Can you use your inside voice now? |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
987
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Posted - 2012.07.19 06:38:00 -
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gah how much longer! Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
239
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Posted - 2012.07.19 07:49:00 -
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I never understand why these things take eons to do. When actually was the summit again?... |
joes Bazooka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.07.19 08:42:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:I never understand why these things take eons to do. When actually was the summit again?...
^THIS^
We complain that CCp takes so long to get anything done and our own player reps take months to write someting out, i'ts not like they even have to invent the content IT"S THERE ALREADY. Just bloody type it out spell check that **** and release it. |
Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
65
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Posted - 2012.07.19 11:53:00 -
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Bueller, Bueller, Bueller
Hehe, Looking forward to seeing what is up |
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2676
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Posted - 2012.07.19 14:18:00 -
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joes Bazooka wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:I never understand why these things take eons to do. When actually was the summit again?... ^THIS^
Gentlemen, I would start by reading the thread, which pretty explicitly explains why these minutes are taking longer. There's no need to be confused.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Malcanis wrote:It's taken almost a month for you to get the first drafts of the minutes? Absolutely. We're already at over 120 pages, and that's not even including all of the sessions so far. Everyone asked for more transparency, this comes of course at the cost of added time, as we're finding out.
As Two step already said, the minutes are complete, they're just being double-checked by everyone involved in preparation for release. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
255
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Posted - 2012.07.19 21:01:00 -
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Hans you need to calm down and let us get our rabble on. The nerve of some people... |
joes Bazooka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.07.19 22:19:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:joes Bazooka wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:I never understand why these things take eons to do. When actually was the summit again?... ^THIS^ Gentlemen, I would start by reading the thread, which pretty explicitly explains why these minutes are taking longer. There's no need to be confused. .
Clearly you yourself have not read the thread where i have poasted multiple times now so shut up and get back to writing/checking/holding out... Whatever you want to call it. |
space gator
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
26
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Posted - 2012.07.19 23:32:00 -
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From what I gather the summit started on Wed. May 30th and concluded on Fri. June 1st. Add a couple of days to get back and settled in and start the clock running on Mon. June 4th. By my count thatGÇÖs 45 days. I'm not blaming CCP as I understand they only recently got the draft for review.
As with any form of reporting, there is a balance between timeliness and accuracy. The former is pretty much out the window.
There is a real possibility the minutes will no longer be meaningful at this rate, whether due to topics no longer relevant (stuff fixed) or ideas already implemented.
For future's sake, figure out how to publish the minutes in a reasonably timely manner or the csm summit risks becoming inconsequential to the player base and the game as a whole.
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Gevlin
SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance
172
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Posted - 2012.07.20 00:40:00 -
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well Seline had publish this 2 part blog which gave you vage information with in days of the summit
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118125&find=unread
For those who didn't want much detail this should have satisfactory.
I still stand by the idea the minutes, especially with the detail that they are being written in should have been release on a bit by bit basis.
As it stands I bet it will be information overload.
This would have also help keep quite to who say the minutes have to be timely
So we have the escallation to the Minuets the blog from Selene, The we should have had the Main release 2-3 weeks later. (all of Trebors work and some other completed Sessions, then followed with another up date 2 weeks later, then 2 weeks later... This way it would give the pod casters something to focus on for a while before the next topic arrives.
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Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1008
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:26:00 -
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Two step wrote:Day 1 CSM Intro / Whitepaper (Trebor) Stakeholder (Trebor) Winter 2012 Expansion (Xhagen) EVE Future (Xhagen) State of Incarna (Alek) Live Events (Elise)
Day 2 Corporation Management (Hans) EVE/DUST Link (Two step) EVE UI (Hans) (was Seleene) Industry and Mining (Issler) Nullsec (Alek) Player Experience - Launcher (Trebor) Starbase Rework (Two step) Wardecs and Crimewatch (Hans)
Day 3 Art (Trebor) (was Greene Lee) Content (Two step) EVE Economy (Trebor) Faction Warfare (Hans) New Player Experience (Trebor) Security (Dovinian) Ship Balance (Elise) Treaties (Hans) (was Seleene)
Why was Kelduum not involved with any of the writing?
I'm curious. And this is a test of transparency.
Ever since he won his seat, he's been remarkably invisible.
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Darth Skorpius
Legion of Darkwind Order of the Void
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Two step wrote:The issue would be that if someone wanted to know what happened at the summit, they would either have to watch 24 hours of video or rely on someone else to do so.
I have asked for stuff like this in the past, and I don't think CCP would be willing to do it. I think its important to remember that there is nothing obligating CCP employees to appear on publicly-disseminated video, or audio for that matter. Many may not feel comfortable doing so, and that's totally fine. Just because you are shy or want to maintain privacy doesn't mean you're covering up some big secret or that you don't want to take responsibility for your statements. So while l, too, think there isn't much harm in releasing the videos from an NDA point of view, it may never happen for this reason alone. That's why we're working to get as much transparency as possible while still making the developers feel comfortable, we want them to continue to share with us for many years to come.
Perhaps a better idea then would be a "Video CSM Blog" like what CCP Guard does with the Video Dev Blogs, that is "opt in" so that any Dev's who don't feel comfortable being on camera don't have to. It could perhaps be run at the end of the summit if there is time and having a quick recap/teaser of what's to come in the full meeting minutes Follow my Adventures in New Eden! http://www.skorpiuschronicles.com/
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Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.07.20 11:17:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Why was Kelduum not involved with any of the writing?
I'm curious. And this is a test of transparency.
Ever since he won his seat, he's been remarkably invisible.
In short, I've been busy - business trips, moving, and large amounts of overtime at work intruding on my free time so I haven't had sufficient contiguous time to dedicate to writing up any of the sessions.
I've still been quite active when I can however, providing input/feedback on the CSM forum and Skype channel, as well as other routes, as I'm sure my fellow CSMers will confirm. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University |
joes Bazooka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.20 11:20:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Why was Kelduum not involved with any of the writing?
I'm curious. And this is a test of transparency.
Ever since he won his seat, he's been remarkably invisible.
In short, I've been busy - business trips, moving, and large amounts of overtime at work intruding on my free time so I haven't had sufficient contiguous time to dedicate to writing up any of the sessions. I've still been quite active when I can however, providing input/feedback on the CSM forum and Skype channel, as well as other routes, as I'm sure my fellow CSMers will confirm.
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Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2012.07.20 16:26:00 -
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Given the circumstances of which I am aware, I do not have any complaints about Kelduum's level of activity on CSM. Or Seleene's for that matter. The Sarcasm is Strong with Me GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó Blog |
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