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Zoe Midoru
Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2010.03.22 05:34:00 -
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I'm cross-training into Amarr (from Caldari missile boats) and I can't help but notice that there's a really silly number of different energy turrets at each size grade. Is there a quick reference on which of Dual Heavy Beam Laser, Mega Beam Laser, and Tachyon Beam Laser, just to list off the heavy beam-type lasers, are appropriate for what application?
I'm given to understand that the pulse lasers are closer range, more damage, and the beam lasers are less damage, longer range. But beyond that, I'm at a loss to understand what's being offered to my poor laserboats.
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The Renner
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Posted - 2010.03.22 05:40:00 -
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That's pretty much it.
Pulse lasers also have better tracking, less cap usage and less fitting requirements.
Beam lasers on the other hand do more damage per hit and have higher alphas.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.03.22 05:57:00 -
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Edited by: Terianna Eri on 22/03/2010 05:59:50
Originally by: The Renner That's pretty much it.
Pulse lasers also have better tracking, less cap usage and less fitting requirements.
Beam lasers on the other hand do more damage per hit and have higher alphas.
That's actually not true. Beam and Pulse lasers have the same damage mod for equivalent classes. Pulse deal more DPS because they fire more often.
EDIT: To answer the OP's question, beam lasers are pretty much used only for PVE and sniping. The fitting and cap use prevents them from being used on PVP ships generally, especially because pulse have more DPS and enough range in any case thanks to Scorch.
In general you want to be using the largest guns available because lasers main advantage is DPS at range and downgrading turret size sacrifices both of those. For PVE use tachyons if you can and megabeams if you can't, or megapulse if you're running an Apoc. ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Darthewok
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.03.22 06:04:00 -
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go by fitting. the higher the fitting, the more the dps and range but lower the tracking. tachyon is highest grade then mega then dual
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.22 06:13:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 22/03/2010 06:15:55
Lasers are something of an anomaly in Eve. Whereas with Minmatar there are more variety in Autocannons than Artillery, with Lasers there is more variety in Beams than Pulse. Which means that the hybrid weaponry at the center which receives an even three selections each puts it at a mild advantage overall in fitting.
However, do not be dismissive of only two selections of Pulse lasers. Pulse lasers are among the highest DPS dealing weaponry in their class. A Mega Pulse Laser with a good ROF bonus will absolutely annihilate targets, and a Dual Heavy Pulse does nearly the same thing for a fraction of the grid cost. Pulse lasers are really, really nice.
Beams on the other hand suffer from disparity. The basic Dual Heavy Beams use 1925 grid, then the Mega Beams jump up to a staggering 3575, with Tachyons being the absolutely unfittable gun at 4125 grid each.
*ridiculous*
However, if you fit Tachyons you achieve sniper volley with pulse DPS. Tachyons are really in a class of their own.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.03.22 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa However, do not be dismissive of only two selections of Pulse lasers. Pulse lasers are among the highest DPS dealing weaponry in their class. A Mega Pulse Laser with a good ROF bonus will absolutely annihilate targets, and a Dual Heavy Pulse does nearly the same thing for a fraction of the grid cost. Pulse lasers are really, really nice.
Just the same I'd really like to see something in between focused medium pulse and heavy pulse, there's a pretty huge gap there.
P.S. hybrids suck and it has nothing to do with the reasons you said and in fact your first paragraph makes absolutely no sense whatsoever ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Colonel Evans
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Posted - 2010.03.22 06:18:00 -
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Edited by: Colonel Evans on 22/03/2010 06:24:55 NVM.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.03.22 06:25:00 -
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Edited by: Terianna Eri on 22/03/2010 06:25:36
Originally by: Colonel Evans http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Beam_laser
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Pulse_laser
Those websites and in-game stats will prove whats-her-face up there wrong.
A Tachyon Beam Laser II has a damage modifier of 5.4. (Largest beam laser) A Mega Pulse Laser II has a damage modifier of 3.6. (Largest pulse laser)
I said "equivalent." As in, compare Mega Pulse and Mega Beam, not Mega Pulse and Tachyon Beam.
P.S. that link is terrible.
Quote: They do very well against larger ships, and it is common practice to keep long-range ships like Apocalypses or range-fitted Paladins far behind lines or on standby in fleet battles, because of their extreme range and capability for taking out support ships.
A) Apocs are already on the front lines BECAUSE they have high DPS at range B) Paladins in fleet battles, right, really? You'd put a 700 isk ship with no range bonus and the sensor strength of a cruiser on the field in front of 50+ other enemy BS?
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mega_Pulse_Laser_II Rate of fire 7,875 s Damage Modifier 3.6 x
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mega_Beam_Laser_II Rate of fire 9,000 s Damage Modifier 3.6 x
So...
EDIT: HAHAHAHHAHAHA TOO LATE, YOUR FOOLISHNESS IS PRESERVED FOR ETERNITY ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Colonel Evans
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Posted - 2010.03.22 06:39:00 -
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Rexthor Hammerfists
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.22 08:10:00 -
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Zoe Midoru
Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2010.03.22 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Darthewok Edited by: Darthewok on 22/03/2010 06:12:01 seems you know the difference between pulses and beams already.
within pulses/beams go by fitting. the higher the fitting, the more the dps and range but lower the tracking. for large guns - tachyon is highest grade (none for pulses) then mega then dual for medium - heavy then focused then quad (none for pulses) for small - medium then focused then gatling (none for beams)
This is pretty much what I was asking about. The pulse/beam distinction is pretty straightfoward. But the subtypes within a given size+type can be confusing; the tachyon <-> mega <-> dual collection in the heavy beam turrets are a good example.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.03.22 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Zoe Midoru
Originally by: Darthewok Edited by: Darthewok on 22/03/2010 06:12:01 seems you know the difference between pulses and beams already.
within pulses/beams go by fitting. the higher the fitting, the more the dps and range but lower the tracking. for large guns - tachyon is highest grade (none for pulses) then mega then dual for medium - heavy then focused then quad (none for pulses) for small - medium then focused then gatling (none for beams)
This is pretty much what I was asking about. The pulse/beam distinction is pretty straightfoward. But the subtypes within a given size+type can be confusing; the tachyon <-> mega <-> dual collection in the heavy beam turrets are a good example.
Those distinctions are exactly the same as they are with every other weapon type...
Smaller guns have more tracking, less cap use and fitting, less range, and less DPS and alpha Larger guns have less tracking, more cap use and fitting, more range, and more DPS and alpha
Same thing exists with blasters in Electron < Ion < Neutron, autocannons in D180 < 220 < 425, etc... ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.03.22 19:38:00 -
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Lasers are in serious need of their remaining guns, a high-tracking option is lacking in the medium and large category.
CCP needs to cook up Medium and Large Gatlings with: High tracking, High RoF, Low damage mod, Insignificant fitting requirements, and No fall-off to speak of.
Life inside 10km is pretty damn hard when you don't have any spare mid-slots available for basic tackle
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Ashira Twilight
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Posted - 2010.03.22 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Lasers are in serious need of their remaining guns, a high-tracking option is lacking in the medium and large category.
CCP needs to cook up Medium and Large Gatlings with: High tracking, High RoF, Low damage mod, Insignificant fitting requirements, and No fall-off to speak of.
Life inside 10km is pretty damn hard when you don't have any spare mid-slots available for basic tackle
It's way past time for quad light pulse.
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2010.03.22 21:42:00 -
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Try this handy link...
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