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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.27 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Minigin on 27/03/2010 12:53:41 I am a firm believer of the april fools theory. but ive decided to GRACE CAOD WITH MY GENIOUS ONCE MORE!
bizniz 1:
In most eve wars that have passed there has usualy been one party (be it an alliance or coalition) that has been accused of blobbing. Now without pointing fingers, i want to ask why people point fingers at coalitions which "bring the blob"
my thoughts are that people who bring more tend to "need" more people to win fights, diminishing the value of players (or in otherwords in people minds masking the fact that they suck balls) this is a perception which i believe to be held by many "pvp orriented alliances" as these alliances are the ones that would put more emphasis on quality members as oppose to "industrial alliances" which require a larger memberbase to... i dunno what it is you carebears do with all your time... run around building **** and pretending your important? ANYWAY!
we now have an assumption: more not so good people will win a fight against fewer better people.
being in the nc myself for some period of time, i always used to ask our alliance leaders "why are we blue to people who are litteraly 50 jumps away who we have little to no contact with and who if i met the vast majority of i would dislike?" the answer always amounted to the same thing "we are part of a coalition that will come to our aid if we need them therefore we do as we are told" (now that those coalitions never came to any of those alliances aid is a seperate issue).
now what i want to do is compare this to the alliance system in pre-ww europe. you have a bunch of alliances which are "naping up" not because they know or like each other, but as a mutual disinsentive to attack each others assets. while im sure this all worked so well in real life and couldnt doubt you lot are emulating this to achieve a great and lasting peace throughout europe, sorry i mean eve, has anyone stopped to remember this is a game, and that you would be losing pixels having fun?
i believe the "grunts" in eve dont really bother to sit down and think what they want from the game. they just do as they are told by people who they have listend to for a little while because a) people are just dumb like that and b) they want to feel like they are "winning" despite how bored they are while playing THIS GAME!
regardless of this i believe that the incentive to "nap up" is really only pushed for by the "higher ups" in alliances, as opposed to the casual or even regular gamers.
SRSBIZ 2:
in light of this i am forced to think of another theory, to explain why people (in particular alliance leaders) want to give a disincentive for people to "take their space". i have arrived at 3
1. The head of the alliance is converting all the isk to real money. (you can laugh... but its happend. more creative ceos have plain out asked for members to donate money to put down deposits on their houses) 2. the head of the alliance isnt particularlly good at doing things irl, so looks eagerly at his creation and thinks hes done a good job (a feeling he is so deprived of in other areas of his life) - i know it sounds harsh... but really there arnt that many answers as to why people would willingly bore themselves in a game. 3. my favourite explanation to nearly everything: people are dumb. dumb people make stupid choices and i quite regularly point out that at least half of the population is bellow avarage and the eve community (being a gaming community) tends not to attract those from the upper half of the ladder too often -_-'''.
anyway, i was going to go on and write a long winded post (longer than this) but im running out of characters here and i want to sum up:
if this war does happen, learn from your mistakes grunts. this game has a lot of potential to be "fun". it doesnt need to be about hours of senseless waiting for blueballs or lag. question your "leaders" and if they dont have a good enough reason to be wasting your time, throw them to the dogs. . [limegreen]MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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Ayanami Hime
Amarr Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.03.27 13:01:00 -
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easily first...
and stop posting please
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PeveS
Gallente Sons of Anarchy.
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Posted - 2010.03.27 13:01:00 -
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.27 13:06:00 -
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and here i thought people would APPRECIATE THAT I SPENT EVERY AVAILABLE CHARACTER ON IMPORTANT SPACESHIP BIZZNIZ! i couldnt even close my colour bracket =( . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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aeoluse
Gallente Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.03.27 13:36:00 -
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I will get back to you when I have figured out what it is you are trying to say!
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General Windypops
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.27 14:27:00 -
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There once was a man called Michael Minigin He grew whiskers on his chinigin The wind came out and blew them in again Poor old Michael Minigin, begin again.
[REPEAT]
Twitter:@genrlwindypops
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Cpt Soma
Caldari Republic-Commando United-Stars Organisation
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Posted - 2010.03.27 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Soma on 27/03/2010 15:06:49 lol
well, u said some things, which might be considered true - like people are dumb (I like that most, because its true) but we have to admit that this is sense of perspective. Another point is - why bother - that post wont change ppl - nothing does but perhaps, eventually, themselves..So the big game is patience and patience and patience again.. :) keep moving! Keep killing!
Somedays it will all end in death.. and then it will continue with a new birth.. |
Alklay
Caldari BENEVOLENC3 Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.03.27 15:23:00 -
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looks like another omg nc is such carebears they build stuff they dont run to attack everyone they have to many blues south is so awesome
just remember everytime you buy ammo a mod or even a ship it takes some carebear to build it so what would you fly if we were all did nothing but pvp
awaits flamez on the fact im not a eve pvp elitist |
Qlanth
Caldari Merch Industrial SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.27 15:23:00 -
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I am not reading any of that.
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Nostradamous
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.27 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Nostradamous on 27/03/2010 15:38:36 Personally I think its a good post, as to my reason to even still play eve is the people I've met. I love being able to login and talk to people I've known since I started eve over 4 years ago and those Ive known for more then half that time, being the membership of DTHI, and Atlas Alliance. But then again when I get a chance to PvP in between all my chit chat ill gladly follow Bobby or any Atlas Fc blindly to certain doom, or glorious victory.
Edit if your gonna talk *hit at least read the post
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SATAN
Amarr BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2010.03.27 15:59:00 -
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Theory number 2 is dead wrong.
Any alliance leader which can be considered somewhat successful in the game must have learned how to do so from somewhere, and is also smart enough to understand how building/maintaining an alliance needs to be done.
They may be many things liars, backstabbers, thieves, pond scum, etc, etc... But one thing they are not is dumb, they prey on the stupid like politicians do and the stupid thank them for it.
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RifterDrifter
Minmatar They Found Oil On Your Anus
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Posted - 2010.03.27 16:35:00 -
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.27 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN Theory number 2 is dead wrong.
Any alliance leader which can be considered somewhat successful in the game must have learned how to do so from somewhere, and is also smart enough to understand how building/maintaining an alliance needs to be done.
They may be many things liars, backstabbers, thieves, pond scum, etc, etc... But one thing they are not is dumb, they prey on the stupid like politicians do and the stupid thank them for it.
this is actually an excellent point, and perhaps i didnt reach it due to my own lack of thought or the damned character limit -_-
certainly there are extremely intelligent leaders of alliances. but i wouldnt say most or even many are. when you look at coalitions like the nc or the sc, you will see maybe one or two real leaders. the rest of the alliance leaders essentially do what they are told.
if tomorrow i took bluemajere and stuck him in charge of majesta empire, i doubt the nc would be any better off or any worse off. however if i took it on myself to overthrow vuk lau and replace him with shinma... the nc would crumble in a matter of hours.
anyway youll have to excuse me its early in the morning and ive been trying to finish some assignments but my major point is something along the lines of "all fades in time" so trying to achieve something for someone elses benefit (or for a pixel world) is going to be worth nothing in a matter of time.
but if you can look back 10 years down the track with fond memories of people you played with, funny **** you did, close wins and close losses, then its all worth it in my opinion. if when the servers go down you go on living and say "well the only thing i really remember is my alliance once held all of 0.0 and i stayed up 4 weeks in a row griding for that...
well then just get another full time job or something. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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Braxton Mazimus
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.27 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Braxton Mazimus on 27/03/2010 18:05:29
Originally by: Minigin and here i thought people would APPRECIATE THAT I SPENT EVERY AVAILABLE CHARACTER ON IMPORTANT SPACESHIP BIZZNIZ! i couldnt even close my colour bracket =(
not that i appreciate anything but i see where you are coming from...
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar Tides Of War
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Posted - 2010.03.27 21:26:00 -
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In my experiance most people don't actually know what they enjoy doing and spend a lot of their lives doing stuff because they think it is what they should be doing. I think this explains a lot of bizzare Eve behaviour.
I understand this explaination doesn't sound as cool as "most people are dumb" or give you quite such a strong feeling superiority. That is because you are all messed up because you don't know what fun is. Instead you go round acting like you are better than everyone else and trying to get your jollies off your feeling of superiority.
tl:dr - learn to have fun!
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Nikodiemus
Caldari Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.03.27 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Alklay looks like another omg nc is such carebears they build stuff they dont run to attack everyone they have to many blues south is so awesome
just remember everytime you buy ammo a mod or even a ship it takes some carebear to build it so what would you fly if we were all did nothing but pvp
awaits flamez on the fact im not a eve pvp elitist
Jesus you guys are ****ing terrible.
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Rikeka
Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.03.27 21:36:00 -
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Quote: 3. my favourite explanation to nearly everything: people are dumb. dumb people make stupid choices and i quite regularly point out that at least half of the population is bellow avarage and the eve community (being a gaming community) tends not to attract those from the upper half of the ladder too often -_-'''.
True in all communities. --------------------------
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Spyra Gryra
Amarr Ship spinners inc
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Posted - 2010.03.27 22:22:00 -
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Quote: i quite regularly point out that at least half of the population is bellow avarage
lol
My corp and alliance are the very best pvpers in the entire history of video games. |
Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.28 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Yakov Draken In my experiance most people don't actually know what they enjoy doing and spend a lot of their lives doing stuff because they think it is what they should be doing. I think this explains a lot of bizzare Eve behaviour.
I understand this explaination doesn't sound as cool as "most people are dumb" or give you quite such a strong feeling superiority. That is because you are all messed up because you don't know what fun is. Instead you go round acting like you are better than everyone else and trying to get your jollies off your feeling of superiority.
tl:dr - learn to have fun!
ok so in MY thread about having fun, you preach about having fun you change virtually nothing of the theory as people not knowing what the **** they are doing equates to THEM BEING STOOPID! all the while telling me that i am running around trying to feel superior (rather than actually be so) by calling other people stupid and almost without realising it you call me dumb yourself. "tl:dr"
if you honestly believe what you just wrote its probably not me that it relates to. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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VonKaplanek III
Caldari Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.28 01:05:00 -
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Edited by: VonKaplanek III on 28/03/2010 01:05:14 look at me, I am so boring that I need to post in colour just to get people to notice my inane ramblings
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Kerensky White
Minmatar Domini Umbrus DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.03.28 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin
i believe the "grunts" in eve dont really bother to sit down and think what they want from the game.
I like the pretty explosions.
I want to make more.
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Romulus XII
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.28 05:00:00 -
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MY EYES
Hope this helps
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Pasha Cracken
Caldari Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.28 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: Romulus XII MY EYES
Hope this helps
All i see are google ads and check boxes.....
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Dr Ngo
Amarr Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.28 05:13:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Ngo on 28/03/2010 05:15:24
Originally by: VonKaplanek III Edited by: VonKaplanek III on 28/03/2010 01:05:14 look at me, I am so boring that I need to post in colour just to get people to notice my inane ramblings
I love how there's always one guy who attacks the color and ignores the content. I like the generic and random post as well. It leaves the question open as to whether you actually read the op or just spewed out some random troll after an initial glance.
This is CAOD, so I'm betting on the tl;dr.
Edit: Edited for clarity
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Entaran
Caldari Metalworks Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.28 05:17:00 -
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Your definition of fun and my definition of fun are obviously very different.
Depending on your real life job and circumstances it's entirely probable that what you do in a game to unwind and relax has very little to do with what the person next to you or the next person you see does in the same situation.
Point of contention: I enjoy ice mining and other random carebearing. Why? (Yes I see you tearing your eyeballs out right now) In Real Life, I'm an engineer and spending all day with ridiculous equations and human resources/budgetting contraints is high stress and high demand. Mining/carebearing in eve is a complete no brainer and to stop thinking and worrying is extremely relaxing and fun.
MANY people in EVE don't like the constant game of chess that PvP is. There's a fairly solid reason that the vast majority of EVE are empire bound players.
I PvP extremely infrequently, and generally want to kill myself when I do due to a) chess game takes too much attention dodging ganks and trying to trap others and b) PvP bores the hell out of me.
tl;dr My sandbox is not played by your rules. Everyone wants something different from eve and PvP is not the defining experience of this game.
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barlochIV
Gallente Blueprint Haus Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.03.28 05:25:00 -
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Entaran
+1
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Reverend OverKill
Minmatar Cash Money Brothers Camorra Mortale
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Posted - 2010.03.28 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Entaran Your definition of fun and my definition of fun are obviously very different.
Depending on your real life job and circumstances it's entirely probable that what you do in a game to unwind and relax has very little to do with what the person next to you or the next person you see does in the same situation.
Point of contention: I enjoy ice mining and other random carebearing. Why? (Yes I see you tearing your eyeballs out right now) In Real Life, I'm an engineer and spending all day with ridiculous equations and human resources/budgetting contraints is high stress and high demand. Mining/carebearing in eve is a complete no brainer and to stop thinking and worrying is extremely relaxing and fun.
MANY people in EVE don't like the constant game of chess that PvP is. There's a fairly solid reason that the vast majority of EVE are empire bound players.
I PvP extremely infrequently, and generally want to kill myself when I do due to a) chess game takes too much attention dodging ganks and trying to trap others and b) PvP bores the hell out of me.
tl;dr My sandbox is not played by your rules. Everyone wants something different from eve and PvP is not the defining experience of this game.
i tore my eyes out a long time ago reading this........can i haz some fuel?
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.28 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Entaran Your definition of fun and my definition of fun are obviously very different.
Depending on your real life job and circumstances it's entirely probable that what you do in a game to unwind and relax has very little to do with what the person next to you or the next person you see does in the same situation.
Point of contention: I enjoy ice mining and other random carebearing. Why? (Yes I see you tearing your eyeballs out right now) In Real Life, I'm an engineer and spending all day with ridiculous equations and human resources/budgetting contraints is high stress and high demand. Mining/carebearing in eve is a complete no brainer and to stop thinking and worrying is extremely relaxing and fun.
MANY people in EVE don't like the constant game of chess that PvP is. There's a fairly solid reason that the vast majority of EVE are empire bound players.
I PvP extremely infrequently, and generally want to kill myself when I do due to a) chess game takes too much attention dodging ganks and trying to trap others and b) PvP bores the hell out of me.
tl;dr My sandbox is not played by your rules. Everyone wants something different from eve and PvP is not the defining experience of this game.
so im sorry could you please explain to me in greater depth where hours of ctas and buildup to a massive letdown when the server crashes or one side decides not to get massacred fits into your idea of fun? . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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Neborov2
Amarr Deliveries
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Posted - 2010.03.28 05:45:00 -
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yep, definately not gonna read and will spew more spam. If you are going to make attempts to attract readers then you will need more than 1 color text.....
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Dr Ngo
Amarr Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.28 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Entaran lots of words that won't let my wall of text fit in
I think you're wrong, I think you and mini are trying to say the exact same thing. I, for one, play eve for the pvp. I enjoy the chess match and understand the mechanics behind it. I like being better at it than my opponents and I especially enjoy long battles where even the slightest mistake can throw an entire fight for one side or the other. It's why I play the game.
You, on the other hand, play eve for the ice mining. Say what you want but pvp, in one form or another, really is the defining experience of the game. What we both have in common though is an understanding of what we like in the game. POS ops have always been boring, but with 0.0 as broken as it is right now many of the better players are defaulting to smaller gang sizes (where it's more a testament of individual skill and less a comedy in which the fc tries to convince several hundred people to shoot in the same direction all at once). I don't claim to understand mining as I've never givin it a serious try (it holds no appeal to me) just as you have never given pvp a legitimate go. There's nothing wrong with this and what I'm getting to (in a very drunk and meandering way) is that we both have learned, currently understand, and are good at a certain part of the game and we play accordingly.
What I think minigin is trying to say in his post is that there are people who are very good at a particular part of eve (not just limited to pvpers or miners but also roles such as ceos etc) and they play the game to the fullest in their intended role. I think that the majority of the players, however, do not understand eve. They're told what is "fun" and who is "good" and "bad" and then expected to go with it. They view pvp as massive node crashing blobs and and 0.0 entrance gatecamps and think that they're legitimately experiencing the game.
This is distasteful to me as a pvper. Just as I'm sure the prospect of logging in, ratting in belts for 12 hours (or even mission running) and doing NOTHING ELSE in eve and then calling it carebearing (and then having the belief that they are experiencing 100% of the carebear options available in game) is probably distasteful to you. Why do so many people regulate themselves to merely mission running or ratting or even mining? I'm sure some people have tried all their options and have decided upon a preference and are furthermore willing to embrace that aspect of the game to the exclusion of all others, but how many players out there do it because they don't know and have never tried any of their other options? Would you say they're having fun? Maybe. But could they probably be having more fun doing something else? How many players are spoon-fed into playing a certain way and are never encouraged to explore the "sandbox" because some alliance head (who likely understands the game and his place in it I might add) is merely using him for cannon fodder?
Sorry this turned into an essay but I've been drinking and you touched on an issue that I have (obviously) been giving some thought to. tl;dr I think you and mini both think the same way, just in different directions </wall of text>
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