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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.27 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Minigin on 27/03/2010 12:53:41 I am a firm believer of the april fools theory. but ive decided to GRACE CAOD WITH MY GENIOUS ONCE MORE!
bizniz 1:
In most eve wars that have passed there has usualy been one party (be it an alliance or coalition) that has been accused of blobbing. Now without pointing fingers, i want to ask why people point fingers at coalitions which "bring the blob"
my thoughts are that people who bring more tend to "need" more people to win fights, diminishing the value of players (or in otherwords in people minds masking the fact that they suck balls) this is a perception which i believe to be held by many "pvp orriented alliances" as these alliances are the ones that would put more emphasis on quality members as oppose to "industrial alliances" which require a larger memberbase to... i dunno what it is you carebears do with all your time... run around building **** and pretending your important? ANYWAY!
we now have an assumption: more not so good people will win a fight against fewer better people.
being in the nc myself for some period of time, i always used to ask our alliance leaders "why are we blue to people who are litteraly 50 jumps away who we have little to no contact with and who if i met the vast majority of i would dislike?" the answer always amounted to the same thing "we are part of a coalition that will come to our aid if we need them therefore we do as we are told" (now that those coalitions never came to any of those alliances aid is a seperate issue).
now what i want to do is compare this to the alliance system in pre-ww europe. you have a bunch of alliances which are "naping up" not because they know or like each other, but as a mutual disinsentive to attack each others assets. while im sure this all worked so well in real life and couldnt doubt you lot are emulating this to achieve a great and lasting peace throughout europe, sorry i mean eve, has anyone stopped to remember this is a game, and that you would be losing pixels having fun?
i believe the "grunts" in eve dont really bother to sit down and think what they want from the game. they just do as they are told by people who they have listend to for a little while because a) people are just dumb like that and b) they want to feel like they are "winning" despite how bored they are while playing THIS GAME!
regardless of this i believe that the incentive to "nap up" is really only pushed for by the "higher ups" in alliances, as opposed to the casual or even regular gamers.
SRSBIZ 2:
in light of this i am forced to think of another theory, to explain why people (in particular alliance leaders) want to give a disincentive for people to "take their space". i have arrived at 3
1. The head of the alliance is converting all the isk to real money. (you can laugh... but its happend. more creative ceos have plain out asked for members to donate money to put down deposits on their houses) 2. the head of the alliance isnt particularlly good at doing things irl, so looks eagerly at his creation and thinks hes done a good job (a feeling he is so deprived of in other areas of his life) - i know it sounds harsh... but really there arnt that many answers as to why people would willingly bore themselves in a game. 3. my favourite explanation to nearly everything: people are dumb. dumb people make stupid choices and i quite regularly point out that at least half of the population is bellow avarage and the eve community (being a gaming community) tends not to attract those from the upper half of the ladder too often -_-'''.
anyway, i was going to go on and write a long winded post (longer than this) but im running out of characters here and i want to sum up:
if this war does happen, learn from your mistakes grunts. this game has a lot of potential to be "fun". it doesnt need to be about hours of senseless waiting for blueballs or lag. question your "leaders" and if they dont have a good enough reason to be wasting your time, throw them to the dogs. . [limegreen]MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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Ayanami Hime
Amarr Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.03.27 13:01:00 -
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easily first...
and stop posting please
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PeveS
Gallente Sons of Anarchy.
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Posted - 2010.03.27 13:01:00 -
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.27 13:06:00 -
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and here i thought people would APPRECIATE THAT I SPENT EVERY AVAILABLE CHARACTER ON IMPORTANT SPACESHIP BIZZNIZ! i couldnt even close my colour bracket =( . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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aeoluse
Gallente Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.03.27 13:36:00 -
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I will get back to you when I have figured out what it is you are trying to say!
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General Windypops
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.27 14:27:00 -
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There once was a man called Michael Minigin He grew whiskers on his chinigin The wind came out and blew them in again Poor old Michael Minigin, begin again.
[REPEAT]
Twitter:@genrlwindypops
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Cpt Soma
Caldari Republic-Commando United-Stars Organisation
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Posted - 2010.03.27 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Soma on 27/03/2010 15:06:49 lol
well, u said some things, which might be considered true - like people are dumb (I like that most, because its true) but we have to admit that this is sense of perspective. Another point is - why bother - that post wont change ppl - nothing does but perhaps, eventually, themselves..So the big game is patience and patience and patience again.. :) keep moving! Keep killing!
Somedays it will all end in death.. and then it will continue with a new birth.. |
Alklay
Caldari BENEVOLENC3 Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.03.27 15:23:00 -
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looks like another omg nc is such carebears they build stuff they dont run to attack everyone they have to many blues south is so awesome
just remember everytime you buy ammo a mod or even a ship it takes some carebear to build it so what would you fly if we were all did nothing but pvp
awaits flamez on the fact im not a eve pvp elitist |
Qlanth
Caldari Merch Industrial SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.27 15:23:00 -
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I am not reading any of that.
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Nostradamous
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.27 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Nostradamous on 27/03/2010 15:38:36 Personally I think its a good post, as to my reason to even still play eve is the people I've met. I love being able to login and talk to people I've known since I started eve over 4 years ago and those Ive known for more then half that time, being the membership of DTHI, and Atlas Alliance. But then again when I get a chance to PvP in between all my chit chat ill gladly follow Bobby or any Atlas Fc blindly to certain doom, or glorious victory.
Edit if your gonna talk *hit at least read the post
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SATAN
Amarr BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2010.03.27 15:59:00 -
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Theory number 2 is dead wrong.
Any alliance leader which can be considered somewhat successful in the game must have learned how to do so from somewhere, and is also smart enough to understand how building/maintaining an alliance needs to be done.
They may be many things liars, backstabbers, thieves, pond scum, etc, etc... But one thing they are not is dumb, they prey on the stupid like politicians do and the stupid thank them for it.
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RifterDrifter
Minmatar They Found Oil On Your Anus
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Posted - 2010.03.27 16:35:00 -
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.27 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN Theory number 2 is dead wrong.
Any alliance leader which can be considered somewhat successful in the game must have learned how to do so from somewhere, and is also smart enough to understand how building/maintaining an alliance needs to be done.
They may be many things liars, backstabbers, thieves, pond scum, etc, etc... But one thing they are not is dumb, they prey on the stupid like politicians do and the stupid thank them for it.
this is actually an excellent point, and perhaps i didnt reach it due to my own lack of thought or the damned character limit -_-
certainly there are extremely intelligent leaders of alliances. but i wouldnt say most or even many are. when you look at coalitions like the nc or the sc, you will see maybe one or two real leaders. the rest of the alliance leaders essentially do what they are told.
if tomorrow i took bluemajere and stuck him in charge of majesta empire, i doubt the nc would be any better off or any worse off. however if i took it on myself to overthrow vuk lau and replace him with shinma... the nc would crumble in a matter of hours.
anyway youll have to excuse me its early in the morning and ive been trying to finish some assignments but my major point is something along the lines of "all fades in time" so trying to achieve something for someone elses benefit (or for a pixel world) is going to be worth nothing in a matter of time.
but if you can look back 10 years down the track with fond memories of people you played with, funny **** you did, close wins and close losses, then its all worth it in my opinion. if when the servers go down you go on living and say "well the only thing i really remember is my alliance once held all of 0.0 and i stayed up 4 weeks in a row griding for that...
well then just get another full time job or something. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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Braxton Mazimus
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.27 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Braxton Mazimus on 27/03/2010 18:05:29
Originally by: Minigin and here i thought people would APPRECIATE THAT I SPENT EVERY AVAILABLE CHARACTER ON IMPORTANT SPACESHIP BIZZNIZ! i couldnt even close my colour bracket =(
not that i appreciate anything but i see where you are coming from...
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar Tides Of War
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Posted - 2010.03.27 21:26:00 -
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In my experiance most people don't actually know what they enjoy doing and spend a lot of their lives doing stuff because they think it is what they should be doing. I think this explains a lot of bizzare Eve behaviour.
I understand this explaination doesn't sound as cool as "most people are dumb" or give you quite such a strong feeling superiority. That is because you are all messed up because you don't know what fun is. Instead you go round acting like you are better than everyone else and trying to get your jollies off your feeling of superiority.
tl:dr - learn to have fun!
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Nikodiemus
Caldari Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.03.27 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Alklay looks like another omg nc is such carebears they build stuff they dont run to attack everyone they have to many blues south is so awesome
just remember everytime you buy ammo a mod or even a ship it takes some carebear to build it so what would you fly if we were all did nothing but pvp
awaits flamez on the fact im not a eve pvp elitist
Jesus you guys are ****ing terrible.
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Rikeka
Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.03.27 21:36:00 -
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Quote: 3. my favourite explanation to nearly everything: people are dumb. dumb people make stupid choices and i quite regularly point out that at least half of the population is bellow avarage and the eve community (being a gaming community) tends not to attract those from the upper half of the ladder too often -_-'''.
True in all communities. --------------------------
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Spyra Gryra
Amarr Ship spinners inc
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Posted - 2010.03.27 22:22:00 -
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Quote: i quite regularly point out that at least half of the population is bellow avarage
lol
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.28 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Yakov Draken In my experiance most people don't actually know what they enjoy doing and spend a lot of their lives doing stuff because they think it is what they should be doing. I think this explains a lot of bizzare Eve behaviour.
I understand this explaination doesn't sound as cool as "most people are dumb" or give you quite such a strong feeling superiority. That is because you are all messed up because you don't know what fun is. Instead you go round acting like you are better than everyone else and trying to get your jollies off your feeling of superiority.
tl:dr - learn to have fun!
ok so in MY thread about having fun, you preach about having fun you change virtually nothing of the theory as people not knowing what the **** they are doing equates to THEM BEING STOOPID! all the while telling me that i am running around trying to feel superior (rather than actually be so) by calling other people stupid and almost without realising it you call me dumb yourself. "tl:dr"
if you honestly believe what you just wrote its probably not me that it relates to. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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VonKaplanek III
Caldari Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.28 01:05:00 -
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Edited by: VonKaplanek III on 28/03/2010 01:05:14 look at me, I am so boring that I need to post in colour just to get people to notice my inane ramblings
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Kerensky White
Minmatar Domini Umbrus DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.03.28 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin
i believe the "grunts" in eve dont really bother to sit down and think what they want from the game.
I like the pretty explosions.
I want to make more.
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Romulus XII
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.28 05:00:00 -
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MY EYES
Hope this helps
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Pasha Cracken
Caldari Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.28 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: Romulus XII MY EYES
Hope this helps
All i see are google ads and check boxes.....
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Dr Ngo
Amarr Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.28 05:13:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Ngo on 28/03/2010 05:15:24
Originally by: VonKaplanek III Edited by: VonKaplanek III on 28/03/2010 01:05:14 look at me, I am so boring that I need to post in colour just to get people to notice my inane ramblings
I love how there's always one guy who attacks the color and ignores the content. I like the generic and random post as well. It leaves the question open as to whether you actually read the op or just spewed out some random troll after an initial glance.
This is CAOD, so I'm betting on the tl;dr.
Edit: Edited for clarity
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Entaran
Caldari Metalworks Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.28 05:17:00 -
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Your definition of fun and my definition of fun are obviously very different.
Depending on your real life job and circumstances it's entirely probable that what you do in a game to unwind and relax has very little to do with what the person next to you or the next person you see does in the same situation.
Point of contention: I enjoy ice mining and other random carebearing. Why? (Yes I see you tearing your eyeballs out right now) In Real Life, I'm an engineer and spending all day with ridiculous equations and human resources/budgetting contraints is high stress and high demand. Mining/carebearing in eve is a complete no brainer and to stop thinking and worrying is extremely relaxing and fun.
MANY people in EVE don't like the constant game of chess that PvP is. There's a fairly solid reason that the vast majority of EVE are empire bound players.
I PvP extremely infrequently, and generally want to kill myself when I do due to a) chess game takes too much attention dodging ganks and trying to trap others and b) PvP bores the hell out of me.
tl;dr My sandbox is not played by your rules. Everyone wants something different from eve and PvP is not the defining experience of this game.
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barlochIV
Gallente Blueprint Haus Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.03.28 05:25:00 -
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Entaran
+1
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Reverend OverKill
Minmatar Cash Money Brothers Camorra Mortale
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Posted - 2010.03.28 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Entaran Your definition of fun and my definition of fun are obviously very different.
Depending on your real life job and circumstances it's entirely probable that what you do in a game to unwind and relax has very little to do with what the person next to you or the next person you see does in the same situation.
Point of contention: I enjoy ice mining and other random carebearing. Why? (Yes I see you tearing your eyeballs out right now) In Real Life, I'm an engineer and spending all day with ridiculous equations and human resources/budgetting contraints is high stress and high demand. Mining/carebearing in eve is a complete no brainer and to stop thinking and worrying is extremely relaxing and fun.
MANY people in EVE don't like the constant game of chess that PvP is. There's a fairly solid reason that the vast majority of EVE are empire bound players.
I PvP extremely infrequently, and generally want to kill myself when I do due to a) chess game takes too much attention dodging ganks and trying to trap others and b) PvP bores the hell out of me.
tl;dr My sandbox is not played by your rules. Everyone wants something different from eve and PvP is not the defining experience of this game.
i tore my eyes out a long time ago reading this........can i haz some fuel?
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.28 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Entaran Your definition of fun and my definition of fun are obviously very different.
Depending on your real life job and circumstances it's entirely probable that what you do in a game to unwind and relax has very little to do with what the person next to you or the next person you see does in the same situation.
Point of contention: I enjoy ice mining and other random carebearing. Why? (Yes I see you tearing your eyeballs out right now) In Real Life, I'm an engineer and spending all day with ridiculous equations and human resources/budgetting contraints is high stress and high demand. Mining/carebearing in eve is a complete no brainer and to stop thinking and worrying is extremely relaxing and fun.
MANY people in EVE don't like the constant game of chess that PvP is. There's a fairly solid reason that the vast majority of EVE are empire bound players.
I PvP extremely infrequently, and generally want to kill myself when I do due to a) chess game takes too much attention dodging ganks and trying to trap others and b) PvP bores the hell out of me.
tl;dr My sandbox is not played by your rules. Everyone wants something different from eve and PvP is not the defining experience of this game.
so im sorry could you please explain to me in greater depth where hours of ctas and buildup to a massive letdown when the server crashes or one side decides not to get massacred fits into your idea of fun? . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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Neborov2
Amarr Deliveries
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Posted - 2010.03.28 05:45:00 -
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yep, definately not gonna read and will spew more spam. If you are going to make attempts to attract readers then you will need more than 1 color text.....
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Dr Ngo
Amarr Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.28 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Entaran lots of words that won't let my wall of text fit in
I think you're wrong, I think you and mini are trying to say the exact same thing. I, for one, play eve for the pvp. I enjoy the chess match and understand the mechanics behind it. I like being better at it than my opponents and I especially enjoy long battles where even the slightest mistake can throw an entire fight for one side or the other. It's why I play the game.
You, on the other hand, play eve for the ice mining. Say what you want but pvp, in one form or another, really is the defining experience of the game. What we both have in common though is an understanding of what we like in the game. POS ops have always been boring, but with 0.0 as broken as it is right now many of the better players are defaulting to smaller gang sizes (where it's more a testament of individual skill and less a comedy in which the fc tries to convince several hundred people to shoot in the same direction all at once). I don't claim to understand mining as I've never givin it a serious try (it holds no appeal to me) just as you have never given pvp a legitimate go. There's nothing wrong with this and what I'm getting to (in a very drunk and meandering way) is that we both have learned, currently understand, and are good at a certain part of the game and we play accordingly.
What I think minigin is trying to say in his post is that there are people who are very good at a particular part of eve (not just limited to pvpers or miners but also roles such as ceos etc) and they play the game to the fullest in their intended role. I think that the majority of the players, however, do not understand eve. They're told what is "fun" and who is "good" and "bad" and then expected to go with it. They view pvp as massive node crashing blobs and and 0.0 entrance gatecamps and think that they're legitimately experiencing the game.
This is distasteful to me as a pvper. Just as I'm sure the prospect of logging in, ratting in belts for 12 hours (or even mission running) and doing NOTHING ELSE in eve and then calling it carebearing (and then having the belief that they are experiencing 100% of the carebear options available in game) is probably distasteful to you. Why do so many people regulate themselves to merely mission running or ratting or even mining? I'm sure some people have tried all their options and have decided upon a preference and are furthermore willing to embrace that aspect of the game to the exclusion of all others, but how many players out there do it because they don't know and have never tried any of their other options? Would you say they're having fun? Maybe. But could they probably be having more fun doing something else? How many players are spoon-fed into playing a certain way and are never encouraged to explore the "sandbox" because some alliance head (who likely understands the game and his place in it I might add) is merely using him for cannon fodder?
Sorry this turned into an essay but I've been drinking and you touched on an issue that I have (obviously) been giving some thought to. tl;dr I think you and mini both think the same way, just in different directions </wall of text>
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Shinma Apollo
Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.28 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Ngo
Originally by: Entaran lots of words that won't let my wall of text fit in
I, for one, play eve for the pvp. I enjoy the chess match and understand the mechanics behind it. I like being better at it than my opponents and I especially enjoy long battles where even the slightest mistake can throw an entire fight for one side or the other.
So, how's ganking faction fit mission runners by wreck flipping fitting into your wall of text?
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Dr Ngo
Amarr Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.28 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Shinma Apollo
Originally by: Dr Ngo
Originally by: Entaran lots of words that won't let my wall of text fit in
I, for one, play eve for the pvp. I enjoy the chess match and understand the mechanics behind it. I like being better at it than my opponents and I especially enjoy long battles where even the slightest mistake can throw an entire fight for one side or the other.
So, how's ganking faction fit mission runners by wreck flipping fitting into your wall of text?
Everybody eats and mission runners drop shiny loot. How's the suicide ganking?
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Ceirah
Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.28 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin has anyone stopped to remember this is a game, and that you would be losing pixels having fun?
INFIDEL -------------------------------------------------- [2009.12.07 20:19:26] Tylr > atlas invade WI lol [20:22:32] Bobby Atlas > well i guess we will see you guys in a few weeks |
Yakov Draken
Minmatar Tides Of War
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Posted - 2010.03.28 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin ok so in MY thread about having fun, you preach about having fun you change virtually nothing of the theory as people not knowing what the **** they are doing equates to THEM BEING STOOPID! all the while telling me that i am running around trying to feel superior (rather than actually be so) by calling other people stupid and almost without realising it you call me dumb yourself. "tl:dr"
if you honestly believe what you just wrote its probably not me that it relates to.
So you never worked out that smart people do dumb things? So you really believe that "people not knowing what the **** they are doing equates to THEM BEING STOOPID"?
I'm asking because every smart person there has ever been has not known what the **** they are doing many times in their lives. So what you are saying is really stupid - but that doesn't mean I'm saying you are really stupid. You just don't know what the **** you are talking about.
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.29 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: Minigin on 29/03/2010 00:59:40
Originally by: Yakov Draken
Originally by: Minigin ok so in MY thread about having fun, you preach about having fun you change virtually nothing of the theory as people not knowing what the **** they are doing equates to THEM BEING STOOPID! all the while telling me that i am running around trying to feel superior (rather than actually be so) by calling other people stupid and almost without realising it you call me dumb yourself. "tl:dr"
if you honestly believe what you just wrote its probably not me that it relates to.
So you never worked out that smart people do dumb things? So you really believe that "people not knowing what the **** they are doing equates to THEM BEING STOOPID"?
I'm asking because every smart person there has ever been has not known what the **** they are doing many times in their lives. So what you are saying is really stupid - but that doesn't mean I'm saying you are really stupid. You just don't know what the **** you are talking about.
im sorry but if you cant figure out what you want from a game you arnt even starting the "thinking process" and im not going to give you the time of day to explain yourself. as far as trying to dillute and issue so as to make it seem more complex than it really is i give you a 2/10. this isnt about smart people being wrong. (which i have never argued against) this is about the vast majority of 0.0 people coming here and complaining about lag and blue balls yet they continue down the path that will only bring them more of the same.
ccp hasnt ****ed this game. you have. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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Sargio Farquad
Gallente Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate On the Rocks
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Posted - 2010.03.29 01:31:00 -
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Dude, if you don't like the game, do something else... Life's too short.
And yes I'm a grunt, and yes I enjoy blobbing, and yes I'm terrible at pvp, and no I don't care what you think.
Cheers,
Sargio
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.29 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sargio Farquad Dude, if you don't like the game, do something else... Life's too short.
And yes I'm a grunt, and yes I enjoy blobbing, and yes I'm terrible at pvp, and no I don't care what you think.
Cheers,
Sargio
i think youll find that im the one enjoying the game and you are the one sitting at home eating a twinkey waiting for your fps to hit more than 2. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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Gerard Vineyard
Caldari Carthage Industries Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.03.29 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin
Originally by: Sargio Farquad Dude, if you don't like the game, do something else... Life's too short.
And yes I'm a grunt, and yes I enjoy blobbing, and yes I'm terrible at pvp, and no I don't care what you think.
Cheers,
Sargio
i think youll find that im the one enjoying the game and you are the one sitting at home eating a twinkey waiting for your fps to hit more than 2.
mmm... twinky
Though I usually prefer cigarettes and candy bars...
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Vuk Lau
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.29 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: Vuk Lau on 29/03/2010 21:37:15
Originally by: Minigin
Originally by: SATAN Theory number 2 is dead wrong.
Any alliance leader which can be considered somewhat successful in the game must have learned how to do so from somewhere, and is also smart enough to understand how building/maintaining an alliance needs to be done.
They may be many things liars, backstabbers, thieves, pond scum, etc, etc... But one thing they are not is dumb, they prey on the stupid like politicians do and the stupid thank them for it.
this is actually an excellent point, and perhaps i didnt reach it due to my own lack of thought or the damned character limit -_-
certainly there are extremely intelligent leaders of alliances. but i wouldnt say most or even many are. when you look at coalitions like the nc or the sc, you will see maybe one or two real leaders. the rest of the alliance leaders essentially do what they are told.
if tomorrow i took bluemajere and stuck him in charge of majesta empire, i doubt the nc would be any better off or any worse off. however if i took it on myself to overthrow vuk lau and replace him with shinma... the nc would crumble in a matter of hours.
anyway youll have to excuse me its early in the morning and ive been trying to finish some assignments but my major point is something along the lines of "all fades in time" so trying to achieve something for someone elses benefit (or for a pixel world) is going to be worth nothing in a matter of time.
but if you can look back 10 years down the track with fond memories of people you played with, funny **** you did, close wins and close losses, then its all worth it in my opinion. if when the servers go down you go on living and say "well the only thing i really remember is my alliance once held all of 0.0 and i stayed up 4 weeks in a row griding for that...
well then just get another full time job or something.
I am not sure if you are praising me, or smacking Shinma, but thank you anyway. Related to subject, i divide ppl in EVE (including alliance leaders) on 2 types. 1st type - players who are healing their RL frustrations ingame (not that it is necessarily bad thing, better to roleplay you are important or whateva, then to go to a grocery store and nuke it together with 20 ppl in it, at the end entertainment, video games included, exist so ppl can vent themselves) 2nd type - everyone else
Luckily, for the last 6 years I play this game with 2nd type people and we are usually fighting people belonging to 1st type.
Also, I am sure that tomorrow, when I stop playing, my corp, my alliance and NC will be more or less the same as they are now. If nothing else then from the simple reason that RAWR and/or NC are effort of dozens, even hundreds of people, I am just one of the rare, with a lot of spare time, flexible working hours and reasonable wife to spend a lot of time on organizing stuff. I will just focus on RAWR as example. We had 3 leaders before me, all great guys, who put a lot of energy in it, but RAWR was stronger with time, without losing atom of it strength when they stepped down, so I am sure such trend will continue after me as well. I am pretty much sure same can be referred to all alliances except BoB/Ken/IT/whateva.. ..OR..if your alliance die/disolve cause one player/leader stepped down/stoped playing, then you are proly **** anyway. (I will use Tri as example when SuperTwinkey went to army)
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Tertiacero
Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.29 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Tertiacero on 29/03/2010 23:28:43
Originally by: Vuk Lau Edited by: Vuk Lau on 29/03/2010 21:37:15
Originally by: Minigin
this is actually an excellent point, and perhaps i didnt reach it due to my own lack of thought or the damned character limit -_-
certainly there are extremely intelligent leaders of alliances. but i wouldnt say most or even many are. when you look at coalitions like the nc or the sc, you will see maybe one or two real leaders. the rest of the alliance leaders essentially do what they are told.
if tomorrow i took bluemajere and stuck him in charge of majesta empire, i doubt the nc would be any better off or any worse off. however if i took it on myself to overthrow vuk lau and replace him with shinma... the nc would crumble in a matter of hours.
Edited for spelling: FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU anyway youll have to excuse me its early in the morning and ive been trying to finish some assignments but my major point is something along the lines of "all fades in time" so trying to achieve something for someone elses benefit (or for a pixel world) is going to be worth nothing in a matter of time.
but if you can look back 10 years down the track with fond memories of people you played with, funny **** you did, close wins and close losses, then its all worth it in my opinion. if when the servers go down you go on living and say "well the only thing i really remember is my alliance once held all of 0.0 and i stayed up 4 weeks in a row griding for that...
well then just get another full time job or something.
I am not sure if you are praising me, or smacking Shinma, but thank you anyway. Related to subject, i divide ppl in EVE (including alliance leaders) on 2 types. 1st type - players who are healing their RL frustrations ingame (not that it is necessarily bad thing, better to roleplay you are important or whateva, then to go to a grocery store and nuke it together with 20 ppl in it, at the end entertainment, video games included, exist so ppl can vent themselves) 2nd type - everyone else
Luckily, for the last 6 years I play this game with 2nd type people and we are usually fighting people belonging to 1st type.
Also, I am sure that tomorrow, when I stop playing, my corp, my alliance and NC will be more or less the same as they are now. If nothing else then from the simple reason that RAWR and/or NC are effort of dozens, even hundreds of people, I am just one of the rare, with a lot of spare time, flexible working hours and reasonable wife to spend a lot of time on organizing stuff. I will just focus on RAWR as example. We had 3 leaders before me, all great guys, who put a lot of energy in it, but RAWR was stronger with time, without losing atom of it strength when they stepped down, so I am sure such trend will continue after me as well. I am pretty much sure same can be referred to all alliances except BoB/Ken/IT/whateva.. ..OR..if your alliance die/disolve cause one player/leader stepped down/stoped playing, then you are proly **** anyway. (I will use Tri as example when SuperTwinkey went to army)
EDITED: BEST FRIENDS FOREVER <3
I can see what you're trying to say but I don't agree with it. I think you have a pretty flawed outlook toward humankind (likely prerequisite to play eve tbh) if you lump people into only two groups, especially if one of them is "everyone else."
Also your tri example was a bad one. Correlation does not imply causation, sorry.
PS - I think what mini is trying to say has nothing to do with you or the two previous rawr leaders (or any future competent leaders for that matter) but rather what would happen when someone who was much less competent stepped into your shoes. Pretty sure Shinma was just a mild friendly jab toward his direction. Pretty sure.
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.30 02:39:00 -
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i agree completely with tert and add the following:
how you conduct yourself behind closed doors is generally what you are. having been privileged to have been on closed doors on both sides, i can tell you that the nc is anything but a chill bunch of dudes just playin' dis game.
im not saying IT is either... but you both suck at "playing" in your own ways.
as for my evidence: "plague black"
and im not referring to the actual person here, im referring to what he stands for. he admitted publicly that it didnt matter how miserable he was, but that he would make it more miserable for his enemies. along with various other i am the angel of death comments and general insane ramblings about being "thurrly" amazing at english.
what he represents is a type of person in the nc. and im going to tell you now, these people are no where near as uncommon as you would want to believe in the nc.
you should know better ;p you hoodwink them into defending your gold moons day in day out! . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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Anikadir
Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.30 03:53:00 -
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There are people in the NC?? We all thought they were automated characters running on a parallel array of old 486's...
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Heck pod everyone you pirates, Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Shinma Apollo
Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.30 04:21:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Vuk Lau Edited by: Vuk Lau on 29/03/2010 21:37:15
Originally by: Minigin
Originally by: SATAN Theory number 2 is dead wrong.
Any alliance leader which can be considered somewhat successful in the game must have learned how to do so from somewhere, and is also smart enough to understand how building/maintaining an alliance needs to be done.
They may be many things liars, backstabbers, thieves, pond scum, etc, etc... But one thing they are not is dumb, they prey on the stupid like politicians do and the stupid thank them for it.
this is actually an excellent point, and perhaps i didnt reach it due to my own lack of thought or the damned character limit -_-
certainly there are extremely intelligent leaders of alliances. but i wouldnt say most or even many are. when you look at coalitions like the nc or the sc, you will see maybe one or two real leaders. the rest of the alliance leaders essentially do what they are told.
if tomorrow i took bluemajere and stuck him in charge of majesta empire, i doubt the nc would be any better off or any worse off. however if i took it on myself to overthrow vuk lau and replace him with shinma... the nc would crumble in a matter of hours.
anyway youll have to excuse me its early in the morning and ive been trying to finish some assignments but my major point is something along the lines of "all fades in time" so trying to achieve something for someone elses benefit (or for a pixel world) is going to be worth nothing in a matter of time.
but if you can look back 10 years down the track with fond memories of people you played with, funny **** you did, close wins and close losses, then its all worth it in my opinion. if when the servers go down you go on living and say "well the only thing i really remember is my alliance once held all of 0.0 and i stayed up 4 weeks in a row griding for that...
well then just get another full time job or something.
I am not sure if you are praising me, or smacking Shinma, but thank you anyway. Related to subject, i divide ppl in EVE (including alliance leaders) on 2 types. 1st type - players who are healing their RL frustrations ingame (not that it is necessarily bad thing, better to roleplay you are important or whateva, then to go to a grocery store and nuke it together with 20 ppl in it, at the end entertainment, video games included, exist so ppl can vent themselves) 2nd type - everyone else
Luckily, for the last 6 years I play this game with 2nd type people and we are usually fighting people belonging to 1st type.
Also, I am sure that tomorrow, when I stop playing, my corp, my alliance and NC will be more or less the same as they are now. If nothing else then from the simple reason that RAWR and/or NC are effort of dozens, even hundreds of people, I am just one of the rare, with a lot of spare time, flexible working hours and reasonable wife to spend a lot of time on organizing stuff. I will just focus on RAWR as example. We had 3 leaders before me, all great guys, who put a lot of energy in it, but RAWR was stronger with time, without losing atom of it strength when they stepped down, so I am sure such trend will continue after me as well. I am pretty much sure same can be referred to all alliances except BoB/Ken/IT/whateva.. ..OR..if your alliance die/disolve cause one player/leader stepped down/stoped playing, then you are proly **** anyway. (I will use Tri as example when SuperTwinkey went to army)
EDITED: BEST FRIENDS FOREVER <3
If you stopped playing, I'm fairly sure we'd rush where elven or k2, or where the next designate lives and forcibly tattoo the same chinese "insert ***** here" characters on their back. :V
Also, mini, I'll have you a 'run an alliance into the ground' competition. *hint, it won't be rawr*
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Tertiacero
Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.30 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Anikadir There are people in the NC?? We all thought they were automated characters running on a parallel array of old 486's...
No no no, you're thinking of the russian macros
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Vuk Lau
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.30 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin i agree completely with tert and add the following:
how you conduct yourself behind closed doors is generally what you are. having been privileged to have been on closed doors on both sides, i can tell you that the nc is anything but a chill bunch of dudes just playin' dis game.
im not saying IT is either... but you both suck at "playing" in your own ways.
as for my evidence: "plague black"
and im not referring to the actual person here, im referring to what he stands for. he admitted publicly that it didnt matter how miserable he was, but that he would make it more miserable for his enemies. along with various other i am the angel of death comments and general insane ramblings about being "thurrly" amazing at english.
what he represents is a type of person in the nc. and im going to tell you now, these people are no where near as uncommon as you would want to believe in the nc.
you should know better ;p you hoodwink them into defending your gold moons day in day out!
Lol, as I already started posting here I may even continue to give you some undeserved attention.
1st you saying that you were on both sides behind close doors is pure and utter crap, and you know it, at least when related to "my" side. You were never nowhere close to be even behind the closed doors of NC toilet so dont give yourself any credits. I am pretty much sure that eventually someone will leak RAWR or NC High command forums just so ppl could see there is nothing in there. I know that many of you NC haters are bitter cause of general lack of drama, but thats related to the my definition of 2 groups of ppl I mentioned couple of posts above. Its all about perception, and I respect your view of this game as you enjoy doing something different then I do, and I am not trying to minimize your pleasure by trolling you or trying to say that my gameplay style is the only one right. I will again take Tri as example :D as I have really good RL friends who were their members. If you ask Tri member about NC they will most probably say NC is fail, and vice versa, if you ask NC member about Tri they will say that Tri is fail. BUT we enjoyed for years shooting each other, so despite all differences between general attitude of members of both entities both sides were happy, so its more or less win-win relationship.
Also you taking Plague Black as evidence is just a shiny example how clueless and how unobjective you are. Its not a secret that Plague Black left 4S corp due to disagreement with me about his trolling on CAOD. As much as he had his purpose ****ing our enemies, in that process he ****ed a lot of 4S and RAWR members. I can name you dozens of much worst posters then he was, all of them not backed by any relevant success in this game (or even worse alts) but they were not so interesting cause they are not in NC. So Plague Black trolling roleplay session was exactly what NC average member is not.
I honestly dont know why you hold grudge against NC, except probably getting owned by it, but trying to be relevant by trolling someone on CAOD just cause their gameplay style is different then yours is not a way to achieve your space fame.
@Tertiacero Yes I agree with you that most likely I have flawed outlook toward mankind, but thats completely offtopic now.
Regarding Tri example, it was more a bit of troll, but there is more then a pinch of true in it.
I know that Shinma was a "jab" :D, but I wanted to say that in strong organizations there "should" always at least one more strong and competent figure to inherit the "throne"
King is dead, long live the king
Btw I enjoy more discussing this stuff with you then with minigin, please cast some bitterness out of him.
NC - BEST FRIENDS FOREVER <3
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bigbaby27
Caldari DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.30 08:38:00 -
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I think this game is st00pid. this isnt meant to be a funny reply to anything. You make alot of sense in regards to blob warfare and wat it takes from the actual eve experience. Some of the replies (the serious ones) make some good points as well...here's the problem...(and the reason this game sucks so much) whether youre in a huge alliance or some small corp in old man star doing fw, building some ships, or inventing, this game becomes something like Hulu, where your brain matter becomes all goowey and the Icelanders come around with straws to slurp out our subscriptions money trhu our cc's or via GTC's from a week of ratting/plexing. We become complacent in taking orders because we feel like we're a part of something bigger. so stoopid ppl play a stoopid game, and 10 yrs down the road, if the servers are still up, we'll still be playing this stoooopid game...you konw why? cause all us true eveaholics are stoopid.
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Entaran
Caldari Metalworks Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.30 09:36:00 -
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Dr Ngo, thanks for the post it's actually a really interesting viewpoint.
I have infact given pvp a good go, just not 0.0 style pvp which drives me bat**** insane to be quite honest. I have on multiple occasions been to -10 and back again via lowsec stuff. I'm yet to suicide gank anyone however. On a fairly regular occurence I come back to an old paragraph I read on eve years ago:
Carebear-ness is a state of mind, not a chosen profession.
A pirate that is risk averse (suicide ganker, etc) is a carebear, while an industrialist mining and building ships in the depths of 0.0 isn't. It is the unwillingness to take risks to earn isk is what defines the carebear-ish qualities of a player.
Whilst not relevant to the topic it is something that gives me pause for thought, and I fully appreciate there are plenty of people in eve who live to pvp and love the chess game that I abhor.
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.30 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Vuk Lau
Lol, as I already started posting here I may even continue to give you some undeserved attention. 1st you saying that yinition of 2 groups of ppl I mentioned couple of posts above. Its all about perception, and I respect your view of this game as you enjoy doing something different then I do, and I am not trying to minimize your pleasure by trolling you or trying to say that my gameplay style is the only one right. I will again take Tri as examr is not.
I honestly dont know why you hold grudge against NC, except probably getting owned by it, but trying to be relevant by trolling someone on CAOD just cause their gameplay style is different then yours is not a way to achieve your space fame.
@Tertiacero Yes I agree with you that most likely I have flawed outlook toward mankind, but thats completely offtopic now.
Regarding Tri example, it was more a bit of troll, but there is more then a pinch of true in it.
I know that Shinma was a "jab" :D, but I wanted to say that in strong organizations there "should" always at least one more strong and competent figure to inherit the "throne"
King is dead, long live the king
Btw I enjoy more discussing this stuff with you then with minigin, please cast some bitterness out of him.
NC - BEST FRIENDS FOREVER <3
actually i can address 2 of your issues in the one question. i was in the nc for a long time (thus i know what the members are like over there - aka closed doors) and i have i admit always wanted to see that kind of arrogance thrown to the mud (which is why back in the day i wanted bob dead). - at realising the nc's growing arrogance and blue list, i was always pushing for my corp to leave the nc (which we eventually did joining insrg) where we knew the nc would eventually remove us but where we would have loads of fun killing the nc. (which was like a wet dream for me having been forced to be blue to the entire north and drone regions for several months prior). the funny thing is i was kicked by insrg before they where defeated in the north, and ironicaly in context of your post, if i was to be bitter with any alliance it would be insrg, but i am greatful for my time with them and sad it ended on a poor note.
so no my dear, this is not bitterness at the nc "owning". this is my own personal fun =D
my point about pb was not aimed at the fact that he posts on the forums (if that was my point i have far more in common with plague than the nc does) but it is his beliefs.
the beliefs he posts on these forums are the beliefs i used to listen to in my old alliances vents and ts's (and occasionaly what i still hear on ME vent =S sorry naomi.)
further i didnt say your side was the only side that suffered this "attitude" you just assumed i did.
also something i would like an answer on: "I honestly dont know why you hold grudge against NC, except probably getting owned by it, but trying to be relevant by trolling someone on CAOD just cause their gameplay style is different then yours is not a way to achieve your space fame." your words.
not only does this sound exactly like something pb would say (and he would be as you are now just short sighted on this issue) but it raises an extremely interesting point which i actually wanted to talk to you earlier about.
do you as the leader of the north condone all these whine threads about numbers? or over all complaining about numbers? (especialy in relation to your last statement)
either way, i quite like you vuk and i think its sad that i will always find myself on the other side of the rope from you =S but if you want to gamble that the nc would be fine without you, ill put 20b on it and let you into voltron =D (of course being a trillionaire as you told your friends in tri who i flew with for a long time might mean the 20b isnt too much in the way of a bet.
btw... how does one get over a trillion isk in his personal wallet? =S . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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JS LiamElms
Gallente Zor Industries Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.03.30 11:38:00 -
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yeah, not sure what your really get at...
gaming is about a fun challenge on a alternative vertual place that you can immerse yourself in. Some poeple choose to immerse themselves into an environment to build something, others want to destroy things. The fact you see this from a single perspective is no ones fault but your own.
your fun is not everyone else's fun.... thats what makes us all different!
and finally, yeah, calling people stupid, is kinda sad... you might have some interesting points to discuss, but i for one got bored of reading it. sounded like an angry kid that can't seem to let go of a game. don't like it anymore... turn off and go play somethign else. and yes even the most intellegent of people can sound like an angry kid whining, you read 'god delusion' by the forever pushing Richard Dawkins recently....
The are a lot of people that just like to immerse themselves into an environment were being told to do something is a considered as 'refreshing' change.....
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Marzoq Rushd
Amarr Dawn of Makkah
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Posted - 2010.03.30 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin if i took it on myself to overthrow vuk lau and replace him with shinma... the nc would crumble in a matter of hours.
Hahahahaha epic example.
On a more serious note: you're main point is (I believe) that people are forgetting to have fun in this game. And also that the vast majority is plain dumb, brainwashed, ****-eyed IRL-faillures with the tendency to think they actually mean something in the world because they lead some weird group of people consisting of loose sands, which we in the world of EVE call 'an alliance'.
I totally agree. Seriously, If you take second mortgages on your house to maintain your position in this whole EVE-bullsh!t, then somebody really took you for a long ride.
Then again, having fun is just another subject. I for one, reading your post, lol'd.
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Crass Biggs
Caldari ROCK Inc
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Posted - 2010.03.30 14:55:00 -
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just wondering: what is tl;dr supposed to mean ? help a forum noob out with this please.
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Setsuko NuKinni
Amarr Galactic Defence Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.30 15:48:00 -
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I agree with minigin,
But i think one of the main reasons for people 'blobbing' and 'not knowing what they want' is partly due to them not going out on a limb and trying to fight with tactics instead of numbers.
For example,
I know for a fact that Ally's like COW/Primary/ME/NC [to name a few that blob] etc have some very good PVPers, but there is not the mindset of 'lets go out in a gang under 10' to go kill **** for the sake of it, Part of this is down to the FCs for being too laxed on their shipypes in gang and not capping the gang limit.
If you look at the best PVP alliances in EVE [in terms of roaming/efficiency - and not space holding] They ALL run specialised gangs with fewer numbers and 70% of the time come out on top [70% was a harsh number, its usually more aound the 80%].
BE - Cruise Ravens [back in the day]/BO gangs TRI/PL - Extreemly efficient Snipe Hac gangs Cry Havoc - You just need to watch 'Armortar' to see how efficient you can be in a 10man gang. Genos - 6man ospery gangs etc that kill 10+ bc gangs.
These are just a few, IMO its all about risking it to start, If you have a fairly compotent FC and you actually think about your gang composition before you leave, you'd be amazed ad how much you can take on and how efficient you can be in terms of roaming/fighting outnumbered.
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thoth rothschild
Gallente Strategic Solutions Ltd. Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.30 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: thoth rothschild on 30/03/2010 16:35:46 Edited by: thoth rothschild on 30/03/2010 16:34:27 Small sice PvP is what most People really like to do. Unfortunetly Blobbing is not a matter of will but accident or occasion.
Many small efficient Gangs fly around to hunt or simply siege pilots in Space. Some more Pilots they meet and out of the gregarious animal history of the mankind they form one bigger and stronger Party :p That was the foundation of the alliances in the big picture and is and will ever be the foundation of Blobs.
I really like moving with a 10 man nano gang and combat probes but it is hard to stick at that picture. Beeing a grunt in a big herd can be quite relaxing but also boring.
To be honest... finding somthing on CAOD without the usual bully is quite refreshing! I like more of that :p
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Setsuko NuKinni
Amarr Galactic Defence Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.30 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: thoth rothschild Edited by: thoth rothschild on 30/03/2010 16:27:20 Small sice PvP is what most People really like to do. Unfortunetly Blobbing is not a matter of will but accident.
Many small efficient Gangs fly around to hunt or simply siege pilots in Space. Some more Pilots they meet and out of the gregarious animal history of the mankind they form one bigger and stronger Party :p That was the foundation of the alliances in the big picture and is and will ever be the foundation of Blobs.
I really like moving with a 10 man nano gang and combat probes but it is hard to stick at that picture. Beeing a grunt in a big herd can be quite relaxing but also boring.
Not if you leave ME its not, leave your drakes and caracals behind. This is what i'm trying to say, as long as you're part of an ally with the mindset you describe, you won't push yourself to your potential.
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thoth rothschild
Gallente Strategic Solutions Ltd. Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.30 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: thoth rothschild on 30/03/2010 16:56:36 Hehe yes :)
....There are Times we act as individual farming, plexing, probing ospreys, Ishtars etc.
....There are Times we act as a Corp roaming and having small scale fun
I really like the oportunities for that in the present Vale / Geminate / Drone Regions.
....And there are Times for acting as the Alliance and NC .... Hi IT *waves*
The fun we had while flying 100tri vs 150ME (yeah always 2:1 we sucked and still lost) and currently while we get killed by small and medium PL HAC gangs is great :p We do hate our enemies but they bring us a lot of fun.... and lost isk :)
The Black Screen warfare makes no one happy, unfortunetly it is inevitable.
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Vuk Lau
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.30 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: "Minigin" do you as the leader of the north condone all these whine threads about numbers? or over all complaining about numbers?
I dont know why are ppl so itchy about the blobing issue. The "blobing" or simply said grouping is deeply entreched into human behaviour. Now I know that ppl are mostly accusing NC about blobing esp. here on CAOD and thats propaganda war we lost, probably cause we didnt cared to much. NC didnt invented blobing, but on contrary. We are successful in "blobing" from the sole reason cause we are not bunch of backstabing egomaniacs, or said simply on CAOD language - we are successful in blobing cause we are boring and best friends forever. For all the guys with short memory, or just short EVE life, I will skip "The Great Northern War" cause I could be subjective a bit with saying that current BoB/Ken/IT/whateva corps showed 1st signs of blobing PA back then, but without any doubt I would say that EC-P8R was 1st real case of blobing, and guess by who? BoB/Ken/IT/whateva of course.
I need to point that around same time (after all this years I am kinda lost with timeframes) Morsus Mihi was founded, by only 3 corps (hirr, Wepra and 4S) with sole reason to leave mark in New Eden. With less then 500 members (I could be wrong 100+/-) we attacked LS-JEP, system owned by Forsaken Empire, back then one of the largest alliances ingame, if not largest who were also ****s of ATUK on top of everything. We fought for weeks badly outnumbered to prevail at the end, forcing FE to accept defeat.
NC grew in time, but from sole reason, and thats to finally match and destroy BoB as only "ancient" enemy. I am not saying I am trying to find excuse, far from that, but the blobing will be natural state of EVE for like.....forever. We talked a lot during CSM meetings how to "disolve" blobs, but I dont see any viable solution, except to **** up the game totally by artificially caping..something...somehow which is tbh completely opposite to sandbox meme.
I am just honestly and deeply sad that TQ just cant handle massive battles. I had privilege to participate in a few (tho before Dominion ) where TQ handled well hundreds of pilots and i will be free to say that is ultimate game experience, but sadly in most of the cases (and esp. after Dominion you will just stare in black screen while your hull and pod is being ****d by unknown forces.
We knew that IT will come with kitchensink to North, and even before that we (NC) had several options including offensive campaigns (believe it or not), but we were all aware that it will just end up as one blob against another one, where the only real victims would be regular John Doe players who are paying 15/30/xx $ to stare for hours into darkness instead of killing Dragon Fleet in FullHD with all effects on. Thats why we decided to sit in north waiting for ITzoo invasion in hope that CCP will fix the servers.
Guess what, TQ is still ****. I truly hope, for the sake of players on both sides, and for the sake of NC highends (at the end i am not sure that my CSM proposal that Tech should be the new moongo was such an awesome idea ) that IT leader really plans to stay in North for 6 months without to much involving into sov warfare but providing fleet fights every day on multiple fronts. Before trolls start ****posting I will just point that with every huge campaign I lose couple of friends ingame cause they just dont want to pay to CCP for product which is not delivering, and I am sure I am not alone there. For the end, the only trilioners in 4S that I know of are Elvenlord and CptIwan. My fortune lost like 50% of value when rattlesnake price dropped, and I never have/had more then couple of dozens of bil cause I so often heal my hurt by mad Jita shopping sessions...one of my girly perks, I know.
@Hey You: u will always be my ****
NC: BEST FRIENDS FOREVER <3
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Setsuko NuKinni
Amarr Galactic Defence Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.30 22:41:00 -
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^^ tl:dr
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Serj Darek
Minmatar Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.30 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vuk Lau "blobing" or simply said grouping is deeply entreched (sic) into human behaviour (sic).
tl;dr = We didn't invent blobbing, but we ran with it. Also, NC will always be BFF, even if we live in empire.
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Tertiacero
Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.31 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Vuk Lau ...so...many...words...
People are so "itchy" about blobbing not because it isn't a legitimate tactic (attrition always is) but because it's a tactic that often results in no fun for either party and, especially lately, a broken game. No, the blob wasn't the NC's idea but I don't think that anybody could argue against the fact that the NC took the idea and ran with it...and never stopped running. You don't beat tri out of your space because you're better than them (the average player skill is so much higher in tri it's laughable) but rather because sieging the north takes :time: and :effort: and pos/sov ops are boring and stupid. Who do you think is more able or willing to sit in a fleet shooting inanimate objects for 6-8 hours a day for months at a time? People who pride themselves on being good at small gang pvp, or people whose preferred method of playing the game involves (wait for it) shooting inanimate asteriods and/or rats for 6-8 hours a day. It doesn't take tri long to get bored and wander off. Add that to the fact that they required something like 60% membership participation to match NC fleets that required under 10% and it's just a recipe for failure.
Now, about IT. I never liked Bob. I rooted for the NC to bring them down and I laughed when MAX got *****slapped and Molle's third titan got headshotted. Bob, as an alliance, was a powerhouse and as such was filled with arrogance (remember, we're better than you) and a general attitude that naturally made them lots of enemies. This brings me to my next point: IT is not Bob. Sure, Molle is still there (and in reality a pretty chill guy), and the GBC is now integrated in their ranks for better or worse, but where do you think the rest of the manpower they're getting ready to throw against you came from? When I first started playing, I was in the NC. I was a noob (hell I'm still noobish) and I saw what the NC "grunts" put up with on a daily basis and even being brand new to the 0.0 game I could tell it was bull****. I don't know how you get these guys to eat the **** you shovel down their throats but hats off, either they're so used to it they don't notice or you found what is possibly the most masochistic group of players in eve.
Where do you think all of ITs non-GBC recruits came from? Of the people I started playing with everybody competent has gone one of three directions:
1. Small gang pvp, be it lowsec or one of the many alliances out there dedicated to having fun without the numbers 2. NC leadership. Definately the minority but those that stayed in the NC did so because they were the shovelers and not the shovelees 3. The sc. Most of the players who wanted to be involved in the 0.0 game went to atlas or IT or any of the other southern powerblocs, most with the express desire to "burn the North"
This, I think, is the most telling thing about the NC. You've created a system which includes three classes of membership: the leadership, which only gets stronger and richer at the expense of others (whether you realize it or not), the plebs, which are gluttons for punishment and remain fastidiously loyal and delusional about their own importance in the game while being generally horrible at everything, and everyone else, who tend to realize how much the nc upper 10% screws over the rest of the members and are actively leaving to fight against you.
That being said, I don't think all NC alliances are run like this. All the big ones are, but there are a few which I think are more group oriented.
Last thing I want to talk about before this damn book is over: razor. I have no idea how these guys got so arrogant. It's as if Phreeze stepped into Molle's shoes and the rest of RZR followed suit, quickly becoming some of the most arrogant players in eve. No more room for a real social commentary here, I just find it ironic that they so quickly became what they were fighting against in Bob. </serious pants>
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Vuk Lau
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.31 09:18:00 -
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Huge wall of text incoming. I hope ppl who will care to read will find something interesting. Trolls stay away KTNXBYE.
Originally by: "Tertiacero People are so "itchy" about blobbing not because it isn't a legitimate tactic (attrition always is) but because it's a tactic that often results in no fun for either party and, especially lately, a broken game. No, the blob wasn't the NC's idea but I don't think that anybody could argue against the fact that the NC took the idea and ran with it...and never stopped running. You don't beat tri out of your space because you're better than them (the average player skill is so much higher in tri it's laughable) but rather because sieging the north takes :time: and :effort: and pos/sov ops are boring and stupid. Who do you think is more able or willing to sit in a fleet shooting inanimate objects for 6-8 hours a day for months at a time? People who pride themselves on being good at small gang pvp, or people whose preferred method of playing the game involves (wait for it) shooting inanimate asteriods and/or rats for 6-8 hours a day. It doesn't take tri long to get bored and wander off. Add that to the fact that they required something like 60% membership participation to match NC fleets that required under 10% and it's just a recipe for failure.
Related to blob, I said the same. Sadly, IT IS the endgame, and I again, sadly, I dont see how it can changed (except maybe in rainbowland version of EVE, where all major alliances would sign NIP and everyone resets everyone, and the most important everyone respect it). When it comes to Tri, the things you just said is the worst troll in this thread, but I will answer you anyway, 1st because you were not in all reincarnations of Tri, and the 2nd is that you were in Bope, IT pet corp consisted of players repeteadly beaten in EVE by NC.
So you are basically saying that we beat Tri cause we are worse then them. Thats funny. Your statement that average Tri player skill is SOOO much higher then RAWR or NC is laughable - yes its true, but you are failing to see the difference here. For the hell of it, only in 4S I have 20 players with less then 2 mil skill points, most of the RL friends, while Tri is all about l33t pvp. But just to beat your argument down, I will be more then happy to arrange 20vs20, 50vs50, 100vs100 or even 200vs200 RAWR top pilots against Tri top elite pilots, and in worst case it would be close fight, but I would put money on RAWR without any problems. I can say it with being absolutely sure cause I flew in Tri fleets in all reincarnations on more then several occasions (just for the record, not from any metagame motives, but I was just curious to see how they roll)Problem with Tri is that from their 1st incarnation they were always floating between being elite pvp and being endgame alliance. SADLY EVE is by its mechanics is negating endgame with elite pvp (read everything above in the thread about blobing).
Related to your insults to average NC player, you banalized it blatantly, but yes I completely agree with you that EVE is masochistic game, like any other game. Even CCP is was unaware of it, and couldn't predict the "passion" or just plain "lunacy" of the good portion of EVE players. I can completely understand that you dont like it, but then again, dont insult other players who are not having problems with it, or at least can cope with them
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Vuk Lau
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.31 09:29:00 -
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I completely understand the frustration and whine from ppl who cry about blobs, trust me I am the 1st who is crying deep inside myself for the good old EVE 3+ years ago, but I could either adapt to the game, or to stop playing. My corp, 4S was on the crossroad as well 4 years ago. We had an option to stay as pure pvp, living in NPC station and do only pvp (which we were excellent at) or we can try to build something aka proceed to the endgame. I am sure that we chosed to stay where we were, we would die as a corp, or be completely irelevant like many old pvp corps. I appologize if I will miss someone, but I think the only group who stayed out of endgame is Burn Eden. I must admit that I am impressed with their dedication after all this years, but they are only ONE pvp entity that I recall of, that it still exist with good portion of core players in the same form for years. But then again most of the ppl will say, that BE is using lame tactics, that they are fail etc. but I am sure they enjoyed their gametime, so do we have any right to insult their playstyle?
Originally by: "Tertiacero" Now, about IT. I never liked Bob. I rooted for the NC to bring them down and I laughed when MAX got *****slapped and Molle's third titan got headshotted. Bob, as an alliance, was a powerhouse and as such was filled with arrogance (remember, we're better than you) and a general attitude that naturally made them lots of enemies. This brings me to my next point: IT is not Bob. Sure, Molle is still there (and in reality a pretty chill guy), and the GBC is now integrated in their ranks for better or worse, but where do you think the rest of the manpower they're getting ready to throw against you came from? When I first started playing, I was in the NC. I was a noob (hell I'm still noobish) and I saw what the NC "grunts" put up with on a daily basis and even being brand new to the 0.0 game I could tell it was bull****. I don't know how you get these guys to eat the **** you shovel down their throats but hats off, either they're so used to it they don't notice or you found what is possibly the most masochistic group of players in eve.
Bob represented and we consider that IT still represents everything we despite in the game. I could write essays about it, but will skip it this time. IT is not BOB, I agree but Molle is there so the main idea still lives there, and they still represents everything I despite/hate. IT is **** in terms of bigger "****" then NC is if we reffer to the "average member pvp skills". He is aware of it, same as he is aware that "blob" is the only viable endgame tactic. Thats the only reason he assembled the biggest pile of "bruce style" (nothing personal exBruce pilots, but idea was horrible) fail.
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Vuk Lau
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.31 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: "Tertiacero" Where do you think all of ITs non-GBC recruits came from? Of the people I started playing with everybody competent has gone one of three directions: 1. Small gang pvp, be it lowsec or one of the many alliances out there dedicated to having fun without the numbers 2. NC leadership. Definately the minority but those that stayed in the NC did so because they were the shovelers and not the shovelees 3. The sc. Most of the players who wanted to be involved in the 0.0 game went to atlas or IT or any of the other southern powerblocs, most with the express desire to "burn the North"
You are terribly wrong here. It may reffer to the group of people you started playing (which I think is to small to take it as example), but I can assure you there are not so many people who went from NC to SC to call it a genuine direction. People may shift sides as their corps are changing it (mostly related to pets/guests) but I know that we lost couple of relevant players mostly to PL and thats it. Most of IT members are coming directly from GBC. Also its a mystery to me why do u think that average day of NC John Doe differs then a life of Jack Doe from south? Also if someone is "shooting" inaminated object (mine) for 8 hours maybe he enjoy it. I would maybe back you up if I didnt spent more then couple of weeks mining every night. It was the worst period in north, and couple of us were chilling on TS every night for hours, and we were mining while talking? So taking your statement, should I feel insulted that I was "showeling" while having awesome time?
Only one relevant entity left North and went South and it is Init. I am still sad cause of it, as they were major NC power, but it was their choice, not that I condoned their reasons I can understand them totaly, and I still consider them efriends in this game.
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Vuk Lau
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.31 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: "Tertiacero" This, I think, is the most telling thing about the NC. You've created a system which includes three classes of membership: the leadership, which only gets stronger and richer at the expense of others (whether you realize it or not), the plebs, which are gluttons for punishment and remain fastidiously loyal and delusional about their own importance in the game while being generally horrible at everything, and everyone else, who tend to realize how much the nc upper 10% screws over the rest of the members and are actively leaving to fight against you.
That being said, I don't think all NC alliances are run like this. All the big ones are, but there are a few which I think are more group oriented.
Last thing I want to talk about before this damn book is over: razor. I have no idea how these guys got so arrogant. It's as if Phreeze stepped into Molle's shoes and the rest of RZR followed suit, quickly becoming some of the most arrogant players in eve. No more room for a real social commentary here, I just find it ironic that they so quickly became what they were fighting against in Bob.
Thats pure bull****, and the way you said it, you can glue that system to every 0.0 alliance ingame. Also there is some belief which floats around that corp and alliance leaders are rich. I can assure you that, except in I can freely say rare cases, its far from true. And I will say for the last time, if someone is even enjoying being a "plebs" who are you to minimize or even question his enjoyment?
Especially in RAWR which is consisted of gaming communities older then EVE is, your system is far from being true.
And just to cover all issues, you making a mistake by using Phreeze as example and generalizing it as RZR stance. Razor is well known for pumping out arrogant FCs, but most of them were backed up by at least some results, while Phreeze (or Hugo how he likes to be called) was backed up only by his activity, backseat FCing and roleplaying armchair general (something he really excel at). He got on the surface because of them vacuum in RZR at that moment, but prety soon he was so deep into PL and Goons asses it was literally matter of days when he will do :****razor: As much as I consider Hugo extremely smart and sometimes cruelly honest, he has some issues, and NC is much better place without him. For the end RAWR is blessed having allies like RZR and as I said more then couple of times, I personally really see them as brother alliance. To summarize relationship between us I will just use 4 years old quote of Fred0:
"[CEI]Fred0 Razor Alliance
During all my time in EVE I've had one such ally. And that was when i after not hearing from the guy for two years choose to convo shone and say "hi, how are you getting on old bud"
Thats when RAWR decided to go and settle north.
That would be it for now. Thanx for reading
Best Friends Forever <3
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V4MPIRELLA
Caldari Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.31 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tertiacero
Originally by: Vuk Lau ...so...many...words...
Last thing I want to talk about before this damn book is over: razor. I have no idea how these guys got so arrogant. It's as if Phreeze stepped into Molle's shoes and the rest of RZR followed suit, quickly becoming some of the most arrogant players in eve. No more room for a real social commentary here, I just find it ironic that they so quickly became what they were fighting against in Bob.
</serious pants>
Do you know why Phreeze left RZR altough we like to have EXIT with us ??
plese do not include general RZR members to 1 persons behaviour
REGARDS
INDEPENDENCE IS THE ONLY THING THAT A MAN CAN BE PROUD
INSTEAD OF BEING A CLOWN EMPEROR I PREFER TO BE A LONELY HUNTER IN THE FOREST |
Slinktress
Gallente Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.31 10:48:00 -
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"Bob represented and we consider that IT still represents everything we despite in the game. I could write essays about it, but will skip it this time. IT is not BOB, I agree but Molle is there so the main idea still lives there, and they still represents everything I despite/hate. IT is **** in terms of bigger "****" then NC is if we reffer to the "average member pvp skills". He is aware of it, same as he is aware that "blob" is the only viable endgame tactic. Thats the only reason he assembled the biggest pile of "bruce style" (nothing personal exBruce pilots, but idea was horrible) fail." -Vuk
So Molle's dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't? He takes only leet pilots and he's arrogant elitist new player hater, and now he takes on new pilots and pilots with potential to train, so he's "Bruce fail"? Cut the guy a break! LOL.
Guess what? There's more than a handful of the most faithful loyal Northern people who fought till their last frigate against MC/BOB with NO help from D2 or MM, and then were backstabbed by Goons, here in IT (and allied BLAST). Who? FLA. Maybe there's something to be said for recruiting people who show loyalty, honour, and guts.
As for the numbers? HEHE. FREAK OUT FACTOR FTW, and oh yah numbers WIN, pretty much in any game that doesn't have limits /shrug.
Just like you can't peg any of YOUR alliances on ONE person, as super important and crucial to the equation that Molle is to our alliance, even he would argue HE wasn't ALL that BoB was.
As for me? If it weren't for Goons, and then Goons again and again you keep making them "part" of you, I'd still love the NC. Keeping them as allies, just contradicts what I *thought* the NC stood for.
See you on the battlefield, and we ALL hope the nodes stay up!
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Vuk Lau
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.31 11:35:00 -
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Slinktress u mad? erm sorry bad joke.
I can understand you are feeling touchy, and defensive when it comes to Mole. I said to you in person, I cant really judge Par Molen as I dont know him, and by what you told me he is probably cool guy in RL, but in EVE, and we are here talking about EVE, I personally consider him as Devil himself. When I was referring to BoB/Ken/IT/whateva incarnation, I was thinking about what they represent, not about their form. I am sure that when he get humiliated like he was, and touch the bottom again (not talking about any timeframes) that he will again arise in some other form.
And yes if u ask me, and I am sure that many of Morsus Mihi pilots who are playing long enough to remember what BoB represented will keeep Molle damned forever. I say again that IT is in terms of all the stuff I despised them and hate them (I am not talking about arrogance here) nowhere near the old BoB, but the spirit (or for me simple Molle) is still there.
Also I dont have a clue what you are talking about regarding Northeners fighting against MC/BoB without help of D2 or RAWR? Regarding former northeners now in southern coalition, its perfectly normal that out from thousands of players who lived in north in past two or three years some went over the fence. Also I can say that good chunk of Molle's most loyal allies are now in NC, so I dont see what you are pointing here.
Goons were never part of NC and only reason which brought us initially together is BoB. That and the fact that tru CSM I worked a lot with their leaders naturally strengthened our relationship. I am saying again, if we take a look all who were BoB allies, and now IT allies, it contradicts with anything you could potentially think off so your arguments are silly.
In previous posts I already said that BoB/Ken/IT is the only entity who will truly suffer if the main figure steps down or stop playing. I am not that amazed how someone like him made a cult out of himself, but I am amazed how he still manages to keep it alive after all his :facepalms:, and for that alone I must give him props. I will be honest that when BoB failcascaded I lost a bit of flame, and that now killing him in form of IT is just...not...the...same, and that I personally dont have the same motivation, but I for sure will enjoy with each of his ships turning into space dust.
And we all know that nodes will not stay up :D
BEST FRIENDS FOREVER <3
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.31 12:18:00 -
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i will do two things.
firstly, lets organise a day to hop on vent and discuss all this live. i know myself and tert would be dieing to do this
secondly, i was in the nc and i was in tri and the avarage player in tri was far better than the avarage player in the nc.
how do i know this? in the nc i was an outstanding pvper, in tri i was mediocere to good. thus i accept your challenge of voltron vs mm, but i would discuss its format on vent with you =D. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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Vuk Lau
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.31 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin i will do two things.
firstly, lets organise a day to hop on vent and discuss all this live. i know myself and tert would be dieing to do this
secondly, i was in the nc and i was in tri and the avarage player in tri was far better than the avarage player in the nc.
how do i know this? in the nc i was an outstanding pvper, in tri i was mediocere to good. thus i accept your challenge of voltron vs mm, but i would discuss its format on vent with you =D.
Originally by: "Vuk Lau" Your statement that average Tri player skill is SOOO much higher then RAWR or NC is laughable - yes its true, but you are failing to see the difference here. For the hell of it, only in 4S I have 20 players with less then 2 mil skill points, most of them RL friends, while Tri is (well now was ) all about l33t pvp.
Yeah we could do it on vent one day, one day when you admit that all that animosity towards NC is cause you lost your virginity in D7-ZAC showers, and Kendar lied to you it will not hurt.
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Blazde
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.31 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: Blazde on 31/03/2010 14:09:14
Originally by: Slinktress Guess what? There's more than a handful of the most faithful loyal Northern people who fought till their last frigate against MC/BOB with NO help from D2 or MM, and then were backstabbed by Goons, here in IT (and allied BLAST). Who? FLA. Maybe there's something to be said for recruiting people who show loyalty, honour, and guts.
Oh hi Slinktress We offered you guys a constellation in Tribute (E3-NLE), then RZR offered you residence in S-E. Had you stuck around you'd have had a lot of fun with us taking back the north and ended up with good space in Branch that we struggled to fill after that war. Instead you went temp blue with MC and made a deal to buy stations from them, vanished for a while, then told us a month later you'd actually rejected the deal but you were doing something or other in Pure Blind and were blue to YouWhat. Despite all that relations were still good and we were still blue (though your 'loyalty' wasn't exactly bulletproof by this point, since you mention it). I'm not sure what you expected us to do next? You were on the otherside of the north, you'd rejected our now standard 'Tribute Hotel' package and you didn't join the fight in Tenal.
If you're referring to us giving no help before that, we were toiling in Fountain in a desperate but ultimately failed attempt to draw GBC alliances off the northwestern front (where FLA and D2 were still just holding). This was on D2's insistence after we offered to join in Fade defence or wherever it was by then.
Probably some miscommunication somewhere but I've just reread your convoes with Domi and can't see any reason for FLA having any grievance with RAWR. Infact some of the things you said are quite eyeopening in hindsight alongside your reply to Vuk today Times change. _
Northern Coalition - Best friends forever <3 |
Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.31 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: Minigin i will do two things.
firstly, lets organise a day to hop on vent and discuss all this live. i know myself and tert would be dieing to do this
secondly, i was in the nc and i was in tri and the avarage player in tri was far better than the avarage player in the nc.
how do i know this? in the nc i was an outstanding pvper, in tri i was mediocere to good. thus i accept your challenge of voltron vs mm, but i would discuss its format on vent with you =D.
Originally by: "Vuk Lau" Your statement that average Tri player skill is SOOO much higher then RAWR or NC is laughable - yes its true, but you are failing to see the difference here. For the hell of it, only in 4S I have 20 players with less then 2 mil skill points, most of them RL friends, while Tri is (well now was ) all about l33t pvp.
Yeah we could do it on vent one day, one day when you admit that all that animosity towards NC is cause you lost your virginity in D7-ZAC showers, and Kendar lied to you it will not hurt.
so wait what was all that about beating tri or something in small gang pvp? like sorry but it was a long read, i might have missed more than a few lines.
and are we doing this vent thingo? . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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Vile rat
Amarr GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.31 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Slinktress
Guess what? There's more than a handful of the most faithful loyal Northern people who fought till their last frigate against MC/BOB with NO help from D2 or MM, and then were backstabbed by Goons, here in IT (and allied BLAST). Who? FLA. Maybe there's something to be said for recruiting people who show loyalty, honour, and guts.
Wait who did we backstab? To the best of my knowledge we've never backstabbed any organization in game.
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As for me? If it weren't for Goons, and then Goons again and again you keep making them "part" of you, I'd still love the NC. Keeping them as allies, just contradicts what I *thought* the NC stood for.
You sound like a political party giving 'advice' to their opponents, completely insincere and utterly transparent. You have an irrational dislike for us that, frankly, makes me a little excited in all the right areas. Extra points for continuing to hang us up as a boogieman to scare little IT children at night.
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Holick
Caldari Solar Nexus. OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.31 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin i will do two things.
firstly, lets organise a day to hop on vent and discuss all this live. i know myself and tert would be dieing to do this
secondly, i was in the nc and i was in tri and the avarage player in tri was far better than the avarage player in the nc.
how do i know this? in the nc i was an outstanding pvper, in tri i was mediocere to good. thus i accept your challenge of voltron vs mm, but i would discuss its format on vent with you =D.
minigin.... let them talk without your trolling a.r.s.e forum warrior crap getting in. I actually enjoyed this thread until you showed ur ugly mug.
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dastommy79
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.31 14:56:00 -
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Like slink I'm a proud ex member of FLA and destroying the north would bring some justice to how crappy your lot treated us. We fought tooth and nail and got no help and when it was all over, we were casted aside. This is personal for me and others in DTHI.
MODS I LEFT CORP FOR 2 DAYS NO BAN ME
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XxAngelxX
Amarr North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.03.31 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: XxAngelxX on 31/03/2010 15:32:07 You guys should really try some other alliances if you're still proud to have been a member of FLA
Also, Minigin, you saying you were the best pvper in NC is pretty goddam hilarious - I'm not sure NC measure themselves on their solo pvp skills - but one thing is for sure, in recent times they have beaten TRI in every way possible except posturing about being elite.
Never thought I'd stick up for the NC :cripes: --------------------------------------
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dastommy79
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.31 15:56:00 -
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Angel is just bitter cause the MC did what she couldn't do and that was remove FLA from dek. Let's not forget you were in it with us. MODS I LEFT CORP FOR 2 DAYS NO BAN ME
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.31 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: XxAngelxX Edited by: XxAngelxX on 31/03/2010 15:32:07 You guys should really try some other alliances if you're still proud to have been a member of FLA
Also, Minigin, you saying you were the best pvper in NC is pretty goddam hilarious - I'm not sure NC measure themselves on their solo pvp skills - but one thing is for sure, in recent times they have beaten TRI in every way possible except posturing about being elite.
Never thought I'd stick up for the NC :cripes:
lol by your definition they have also done the same to pl. and for the record you have been blue to the nc for about as long as you have been bitter about being booted from tri ;p
also i never said i was the "best" pvper while i was in the north, but being a pvper in the north pretty much puts you inside the top 10% being a good pvper in the north puts you well above that. you should know... i outsmarted you while i was in the north lol. explain to me again how its worth losing 2 faction commandships to kill a bait thorax? i think you said they where insured?
if all goes to plan your going to feature in my new movie =D. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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XxAngelxX
Amarr North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.03.31 16:28:00 -
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Please tell me more about how great you are at this game.
If only if your posting was on par --------------------------------------
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SATAN
Amarr BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2010.03.31 19:00:00 -
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All of you are just people who are afraid of everything in life and in game, you huddle up in groups of hundreds and thousands to make your fears of the bad men to go away.
You can scream blob this blob that, but at the end of the day you ALL do it. If you really want the blobbing to stop, start by not joining one.
Maybe then you will understand that the bad men really are not all that bad, just not interested in living your lie.
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Daedal Virtu
Amarr Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.01 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Daedal Virtu on 01/04/2010 01:54:05
Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Slinktress
Guess what? There's more than a handful of the most faithful loyal Northern people who fought till their last frigate against MC/BOB with NO help from D2 or MM, and then were backstabbed by Goons, here in IT (and allied BLAST). Who? FLA. Maybe there's something to be said for recruiting people who show loyalty, honour, and guts.
Wait who did we backstab? To the best of my knowledge we've never backstabbed any organization in game.
Wasn't so much a backstab as a misunderstanding. As the leader of FLA at the time this occured i have a slightly better understanding of the situation then most.
We heard BOB/MC forces were heading north and that YouWhat had allied with them and given them a place to base out of, Goons contaced FLA (since D2, RZR, MM etc were in fountain hitting BOB) and asked us to "handle" that situation. We accepted but were under the opinion that goons would provide us supprot for the big operations, This never eventuated and we decided to do our part and hit them anyway.
MC came north and US Vs YouWhat and MC was just to much, we got smashed, this left FLA with the feeling that goons backstabbed them. We also had nothing left when MC/BOB came for our own territory which was why NC felt that we folded without a fight. we NEVER allied with anyone from the south, as for what occured after we lost our space, i am unsure as i left with a RL friend to join Rule of Three, which ironically the corp we joined a few months later joined Razor and i did assist with the retaking of Tenal and Branch from T.I.T.S if i remember correctly.
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Slinktress
Gallente Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.01 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Daedal Virtu
Wasn't so much a backstab as a misunderstanding. As the leader of FLA at the time this occured i have a slightly better understanding of the situation then most.
...i am unsure as i left with a RL friend to join Rule of Three, which ironically the corp we joined a few months later joined Razor and i did assist with the retaking of Tenal and Branch from **** if i remember correctly.
Sigh, history, but history can help light the future.
After you left, Goons talked the new FLA leaders into joining their war in the South against BoB, etc. in exchange for space/2 stations. Before we even got down there as an alliance, Goons were poaching the first arrival PVP'rs. FLA never one to give up delivered over 60 billion in damages to Goon enemies, only to then be called worthless SH-POOP, and took the space promised for themselves.
SATAN did try to come in to save the day, but the "new" Goon offer was an impossible task for an already mostly wrecked alliance, and it didn't get far. I could go on with history of FLA's next chapter BLAST vers. 1.0 and the Goon-BRUCE/BLAST backstab for BRUCE merely *talking* to BoB. Ages of blue on blue shoot first then notify standings... but none of this matters. Everyone knows Goons for what they are anyway.
I still can't believe the NC allies with Goons.
o/ Dastommy BFF hehe.
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bambideer
Amarr Resonance. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.04.01 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: bambideer on 01/04/2010 02:44:46 Obligatory shut up, Minigin!
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Setsuko NuKinni
Amarr Galactic Defence Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.01 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
You can scream blob this blob that, but at the end of the day you ALL do it. If you really want the blobbing to stop, start by not joining one.
Thats what I was trying to say, but people don't realise that you need to leave an alliance with that mindset to actually realise,
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Vuk Lau
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.04.01 08:41:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Slinktress
I still can't believe the NC allies with Goons.
Well you didnt left us much choice, by napping EVERYONE else
Luckily EVE-Uni started with mercenary work so with them we will turn the tide of the war. YARR!!
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Wiaf
Minmatar Resonance. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.04.01 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Entaran Mining/carebearing in eve is a complete no brainer and to stop thinking and worrying is extremely relaxing and fun.
You guys have guarded mining ops with titans in times of AOE damage...
@Minigin: Nice first post i didnt bother to read too much of the rest most is tl;dr of scumbags anyways and your colour is epic! :D --------------------------------------------
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.04.01 09:58:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: Slinktress
I still can't believe the NC allies with Goons.
Well you didnt left us much choice, by napping EVERYONE else
Luckily EVE-Uni started with mercenary work so with them we will turn the tide of the war. YARR!!
vuk tert and i are still waiting to hear from you. we are good to meet when it best conveniences you. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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Shinma Apollo
Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.04.01 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: Slinktress
I still can't believe the NC allies with Goons.
Well you didnt left us much choice, by napping EVERYONE else
Luckily EVE-Uni started with mercenary work so with them we will turn the tide of the war. YARR!!
vuk tert and i are still waiting to hear from you. we are good to meet when it best conveniences you.
Mini, stop being a ***, you know you have msn or whatever to contact him instead of trying to forum cred :p
As for the rest of you eve-geezers, please remember to put your canes, walking chairs, and replacement hips on the right wall when you come in, getting hard for even us young bloods to get in here.
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dastommy79
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.01 15:59:00 -
[87]
You punk kids better stay off my lawn. MODS I LEFT CORP FOR 2 DAYS NO BAN ME
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Garulf Hirgon
Gallente Burning Technologies Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.04.01 16:35:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: "Tertiacero" outrageous claim
vehement denial
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Ethidium
Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.04.01 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: dastommy79 You punk kids better stay off my lawn.
Hey, that's our shtick!
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Vile rat
Amarr GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.04.01 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Slinktress
Originally by: Daedal Virtu
Wasn't so much a backstab as a misunderstanding. As the leader of FLA at the time this occured i have a slightly better understanding of the situation then most.
...i am unsure as i left with a RL friend to join Rule of Three, which ironically the corp we joined a few months later joined Razor and i did assist with the retaking of Tenal and Branch from **** if i remember correctly.
Sigh, history, but history can help light the future.
After you left, Goons talked the new FLA leaders into joining their war in the South against BoB, etc. in exchange for space/2 stations. Before we even got down there as an alliance, Goons were poaching the first arrival PVP'rs. FLA never one to give up delivered over 60 billion in damages to Goon enemies, only to then be called worthless SH-POOP, and took the space promised for themselves.
Yeah we have a well established history of aggressively recruiting in game.
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SATAN did try to come in to save the day, but the "new" Goon offer was an impossible task for an already mostly wrecked alliance, and it didn't get far. I could go on with history of FLA's next chapter BLAST vers. 1.0 and the Goon-BRUCE/BLAST backstab for BRUCE merely *talking* to BoB. Ages of blue on blue shoot first then notify standings... but none of this matters. Everyone knows Goons for what they are anyway.
Snappy dressers and all around great guys.
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I still can't believe the NC allies with Goons.
That's because your 'situation' was solely a figment of your imagination and only you remember things going down like that.
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BlueMajere
Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.04.01 18:06:00 -
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on a side note, why is IT losing 4-5 caps to NC randomly every day? christ that's worse than when TRI was fighting the nc, we only killed like one a day? what the hell is happening? are IT capital pilots literally worse (IMPOSSIBLE!) than nc cap pilots?
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