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Mercury Alar
Harrison Jones Explorers Association
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Posted - 2012.07.13 13:49:00 -
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if u want to run mission ,fly tengu if u want to get DED in high/low sec even in null sec(ninja) ,fly tengu
so tengu is PVE
it has broken the balance of this game
for the variety REMOVE IT.THX
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Batelle
French Defence Union
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:11:00 -
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if u want sucky sucky, fly tengu My reaction to the tier system and skill tree overhaul https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=899560#post899560 |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:14:00 -
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tengu is the hulk of pve?
ban hulks too, as they are the best miners. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:31:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:tengu is the hulk of pve?
ban hulks too, as they are the best miners.
If there were three other Hulk-like ships that cost the same in time/cost your argument might have held water.
The reality is there aren't any,, so your argument is utter bovine faecal matter.
The thing about the Tengu is that it is part of the Strategic Cruiser group of ships and it vastly outperforms them all in terms of general PvE effectiveness. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Effect One
Selective Hearing Nearly Feared
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:38:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:tengu is the hulk of pve?
ban hulks too, as they are the best miners. If there were three other Hulk-like ships that cost the same in time/cost your argument might have held water. The reality is there aren't any,, so your argument is utter bovine faecal matter. The thing about the Tengu is that it is part of the Strategic Cruiser group of ships and it vastly outperforms them all in terms of general PvE effectiveness.
Has that not been the case for missiles in general since the game started? |
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Bellum Esca
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:29:00 -
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Please CCP buff other Strat cruisers to stop the whine threads! Leave the Tengu alone! |
Mercury Alar
Harrison Jones Explorers Association
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:33:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:tengu is the hulk of pve?
ban hulks too, as they are the best miners. hulk cannot get ice
tengu do every PVE stuff good
that's the prove |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:45:00 -
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teng is only the simplest PVE ship, it isnt the best if you know what youre doing.
also, posting in lol thread, wooo!!! |
mxzf
Blackened Skies
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:54:00 -
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Mercury Alar wrote:hulk cannot get ice
When you post things so blatantly and completely wrong, we can only assume that either you shouldn't be posting to begin with because you don't know anything about what you're talking about or that you're trolling.
Either way, your idea has no merit whatsoever. Asking CCP to remove something from the game because it gets used is just crazy. Heck, why didn't people spend the last couple years whining about the Rifter being OP because everyone uses it?
People who whine about the Tengu aren't doing so because it's actually an issue, they're doing so because either they can't afford one or they can't be bothered to train into one (the reason Rifters didn't get whined about is that they're cheap and easy to skill for). |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:57:00 -
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who would have thought that a heavily modifiable strategic cruiser would be able to modify its fitting and subsystems to be good at pve *gasp* Plus if you loose it to rats or players or concord you loose skill points, dont loose SP with a BS that does more damage.
Theres always gong to be the best, if the tengu cost 100m then it would be too good, but it costs a bunch and that IS a balance aspect.
No newb can just pick one up on day one and earn squillions of isk with it. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
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Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:05:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:who would have thought that a heavily modifiable strategic cruiser would be able to modify its fitting and subsystems to be good at pve *gasp*
Have you looked at the other three strategic cruisers recently? |
NoNah
Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:09:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:who would have thought that a heavily modifiable strategic cruiser would be able to modify its fitting and subsystems to be good at pve *gasp* Plus if you loose it to rats or players or concord you loose skill points, dont loose SP with a BS that does more damage.
Theres always gong to be the best, if the tengu cost 100m then it would be too good, but it costs a bunch and that IS a balance aspect.
No newb can just pick one up on day one and earn squillions of isk with it.
ISK is just a currency and prices are set by markets and players. Since most of the components are unique for t3's there is no smaller unit. Long story short, a tengu "costs" roughly 7 mil isk and whatever players value their effort compared to demand(what players are willing to pay). A Raven costs roughly 110 million and whatever players value hteir effort
The point here is that the tengu is better than the other three strategic cruisers at everything pve, and still quite potent for pvp. Making anything else redundant as far as pve goes.
With all that said, the tengu isn't very good for quite alot of things, even if versatile. Most things pve is better done in something else, and there are numerous things the other t3's excel at. |
CorInaXeraL
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:26:00 -
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The Tengu...
Never flown it. I have my ships that I prefer. Screw the Tengu, I don't need it, it don't need me.
Besides, I hear it's quick to cheat behind your back. My little Deimos would never do that.
As with most games, there's always a FOTM, you can either hate the bandwagon, or stick to what you ENJOY regardless of being outperformed by something else. Next big game-change something else will take the Tengu's spot...and I'll still be flying whatever I want and not caring. |
CanDor Kalel
East Lonetrek Trading Company In Umbra Mortis
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:34:00 -
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Mercury Alar wrote:if u want to run mission ,fly tengu if u want to get DED in high/low sec even in null sec(ninja) ,fly tengu
so tengu is PVE
it has broken the balance of this game
for the variety REMOVE IT.THX
Yeah tengu is truly pve. It is difficult to fly through low-sec. I have flown one on my alt. I was attacked by multiple bcs and survived. I mean multiple as in 5. Ha ha ha ha hah ha Well i was attacked by 5 bcs but i didnt survive |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:14:00 -
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Tengu is one of the ships that CCP got right. We can't have every good ship getting axed because it happens to be 'working as intended'.
As for removing them: I lost 4 in the past 5 weeks. I'm doing a great job of removing them, all by myself
I can truly say, the ISK you make, is on par with the RISK you take. And retraining skills is like a slap in the face for several days AFTER the actual loss. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:17:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote: I can truly say, the ISK you make, is on par with the RISK you take. And retraining skills is like a slap in the face for several days AFTER the actual loss.
The thing is this: the same is true for the other Strategic Cruisers as well! It is nothing unique to the Tengu. Shouldn't they also have rewards at the same level of the Tengu since they carry the same level of risk? Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:19:00 -
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Mercury Alar wrote:if u want to run mission ,fly tengu if u want to get DED in high/low sec even in null sec(ninja) ,fly tengu
so tengu is PVE
it has broken the balance of this game
for the variety REMOVE IT.THX
1) PvE is not what the game is balanced around in the first place, but even then... 2) I'll quote myself from, umm, two days ago:
Quote:For high sec exploration I'd personally take a Loki over a Tengu but it's a somewhat close call. For low sec it really depends; usually Tengu or Proteus (which has seriously come in to its own with DDAs). For roaming in null you can definitely do better than a Tengu depending on which region you're in.
Legion and Loki for incursions.
Tengu for wormhole spider tanks, but Loki for C5/6 capital escalation support. Solo in wormholes seems to go whichever way you want.
But if you're talking about missions -- yeah, grab a Tengu. Or train a proper mission ship if you don't want to blitz for LP.
(Fake edit: I've never used a Tengu in missions. Nor do I plan to. Why bother when I have both a Machariel and a Nightmare that already barely see any use anymore.)
Yup. Tengu is not now and has never been the king of all PvE. |
Ayeshah Volfield
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:32:00 -
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Popularity should never be a factor when it comes to balance. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:01:00 -
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Ayeshah Volfield wrote:Popularity should never be a factor when it comes to balance.
Popularity is a sign that something is imbalanced.
If people chose Spacesubmarine A of Spacesubmarine B, then there is an obvious issue here. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Dread Varesk
Omnes Est Irritum
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:02:00 -
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Mercury Alar wrote:if u want to run mission ,fly tengu if u want to get DED in high/low sec even in null sec(ninja) ,fly tengu
so tengu is PVE
it has broken the balance of this game
for the variety REMOVE IT.THX
0/10 - bad troll is bad
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Ayeshah Volfield
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:12:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Ayeshah Volfield wrote:Popularity should never be a factor when it comes to balance. Popularity is a sign that something is imbalanced. If people chose Spacesubmarine A over Spacesubmarine B, then there is an obvious issue here.
While I'm fairly new at EVE, always assumed ever-changing fleet doctrines and misinformation defined popularity.
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Yatama Kautsuo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:20:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Ayeshah Volfield wrote:Popularity should never be a factor when it comes to balance. Popularity is a sign that something is imbalanced. If people chose Spacesubmarine A over Spacesubmarine B, then there is an obvious issue here.
Spacesubmarine B is obviously in pink color. No one likes that. |
Kalli Brixzat
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:28:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:[quote=Muad 'dib]
The thing about the Tengu is that it is part of the Strategic Cruiser group of ships and it vastly outperforms them all in terms of general PvE effectiveness.
Yet, it's not as effective in PvP as either the Loki or Proteus, can't do Incursions like a Legion, (effectively) carries no drones, and does not have the best (or second best) raw DPS potential.
So, in other words, all the T3's have their place based on what you want to do with them. To say that the Tengu is THE BEST option for all PvE is plain wrong. |
CorInaXeraL
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:38:00 -
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Yatama Kautsuo wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Ayeshah Volfield wrote:Popularity should never be a factor when it comes to balance. Popularity is a sign that something is imbalanced. If people chose Spacesubmarine A over Spacesubmarine B, then there is an obvious issue here. Spacesubmarine B is obviously in pink color. No one likes that.
What about my yellow submarine? |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:03:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Ayeshah Volfield wrote:Popularity should never be a factor when it comes to balance. Popularity is a sign that something is imbalanced. If people chose Spacesubmarine A over Spacesubmarine B, then there is an obvious issue here.
You're affirming the consequent. Observe:
1) Overpowered ships are popular. 2) The Tengu is popular. 3) Therefore, the Tengu is overpowered.
You're missing all of the other issues, both game and metagame, that might make the Tengu a popular choice. |
CorInaXeraL
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:12:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Ayeshah Volfield wrote:Popularity should never be a factor when it comes to balance. Popularity is a sign that something is imbalanced. If people chose Spacesubmarine A over Spacesubmarine B, then there is an obvious issue here. You're affirming the consequent. Observe: 1) Overpowered ships are popular. 2) The Tengu is popular. 3) Therefore, the Tengu is overpowered. You're missing all of the other issues, both game and metagame, that might make the Tengu a popular choice.
You're creating a fallacy in arguments.
Just because All overpowered ships are popular
does not mean
All popular ships are overpowered.
That's an argument string that's beaten into you at intro to critical thinking, and again in formal logic when you look at derivatives of argument strings.
I'd try proving your point via other means.
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Cameron Cahill
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:22:00 -
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Kalli Brixzat wrote: Yet, it's not as effective in PvP as either the Loki or Proteus, can't do Incursions like a Legion, (effectively) carries no drones, and does not have the best (or second best) raw DPS potential. .
Wrong on all counts friend.
Never heard of the HAM Tengu? 1000+ dps with heat. Good luck getting that out of a Loki or Legion, or getting it at anything close to the same range with a proteus.
Ok well not all counts. You're right it doesn't carry drones..... |
Alexander Sinclair
Space Exploitation Inc Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:27:00 -
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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:Please CCP buff other Strat cruisers to stop the whine threads! Leave the Tengu alone!
They aren't touching the Tengu even though I'm pretty sure CCP knows it made a mistake with modular ship and isn't going to be adding any more atleast not for a very long time. |
Cameron Cahill
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:34:00 -
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Alexander Sinclair wrote:FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:Please CCP buff other Strat cruisers to stop the whine threads! Leave the Tengu alone! They aren't touching the Tengu even though I'm pretty sure CCP knows it made a mistake with modular ship and isn't going to be adding any more atleast not for a very long time.
Why was it a mistake? T3s are great and very widely used. |
Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:46:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:tengu is the hulk of pve?
ban hulks too, as they are the best miners. If there were three other Hulk-like ships that cost the same in time/cost your argument might have held water. The reality is there aren't any,, so your argument is utter bovine faecal matter. The thing about the Tengu is that it is part of the Strategic Cruiser group of ships and it vastly outperforms them all in terms of general PvE effectiveness.
Wrong, Heavy Missiles outperform all other weapon systems in PVE, hey they have to do something well. |
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