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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.12 16:36:00 -
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For those that look at the news on the login page, ISD had reported on the opening of a new bank in Eve apparently endorsed by Chribba. The bank is called The Bank Of Eve.
Link to Their Launch Thread
As most of you know banks have not had the best success story in Eve, and various forms of banks (investment, savings, etc) launch all the time on the Market Discussion Forum. Most of these are quickly found out to be some sort of scams as which happenned for the bank quoted here.
This brings us back to ISD.
Do they care about the stories they report? Do they put more than 5 minutes of time into the articles?
Discrepencies:
1. In the news thread they took quotes from the bank founder Blastyoaz666, yet while the time the story was reported the same character was already up for sale on the forums. Blastyoazz666 Sale
2. The news article makes it look likes its endorsed by Chribba, but if you look at the sales launch thread he goes to lengths to state he didn't and was miss quoted by ISD.
The end result of the ISD news feed is that many people have invested in a SCAM bank thinking it had endorsements from people like Chribaa, and they are basically out of pocket.
ISD, how about for once do some checking before you report on things you have no idea whether or not they are legitimate?
How about this for a ISD news feed:
We are sorry and maybe we will check our facts next time.
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 16:39:00 -
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ebank mad?
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Jack bubu
Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.12 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult ebank mad?
He has a point though, giving a service the highest credit (making it endorsed by chribba) while its actually not is very bad
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.08.12 16:44:00 -
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Reconfirming that indeed I am NOT endorsing nor am affiliated with the bank in question, and that the quotes in the article was not related to the bank itself but a more general view of public services. Which unfortunatly was formulated in such a way that it could be thought as an endorsement for the bank.
A more throughout explanation is in the MD thread.
/c
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Stick Cult on 12/08/2010 16:46:15
Originally by: Jack bubu
Originally by: Stick Cult ebank mad?
He has a point though, giving a service the highest credit (making it endorsed by chribba) while its actually not is very bad
I don't see ISD portraying Chribba as supporting it, more like just a name drop.
Originally by: Article Well known and trusted capsuleer, Chribba, gave a short statement saying that in his belief the customer needs to have "trust and faith" that the bank will take good care of their money.
Doesn't seem like an endorsement to me, more like a statement of the obvious that people need to be able to trust the bank. Now if he went on to say "and I believe The Bank of Eve deserves that trust", then you'd have something to ***** about. But he didn't.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.12 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba ..confirming that indeed I am ... endorsing ... the bank in question, and that the quotes in the article ... related to the bank itself ... fortunatly was formulated in such a way that it could be thought as an endorsement for the bank.
/c
Looks pretty legit to me.
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Seith Silverstein
Something Rotten
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Posted - 2010.08.12 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Chribba ..confirming that indeed I am ... endorsing ... the bank in question, and that the quotes in the article ... related to the bank itself ... fortunatly was formulated in such a way that it could be thought as an endorsement for the bank.
/c
Looks pretty legit to me.
That's pretty much Professional Journalism right there. Need a job?
Originally by: CCP Soundwave I am literally the internet
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2010.08.12 16:56:00 -
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The purpose of the news written by ISD is to report things that are happening in EVE, simply being reported does not mean that ISD or CCP supports or endorses any event that is in those news.
Chribba, if you feel you're misquoted in the article (judging from your post I assume you do) I suggest you contact ISD and ask them to set the record straight.
Wrangler Senior Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us
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Nobzy
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Posted - 2010.08.12 17:05:00 -
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Confirming spatial distortions in ISDs heads.
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ShadowandLight
Amarr Doom Guard Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 17:06:00 -
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i offered to report for ISD, sign the whole NDA thing, report all my accounts etc etc.
was told no thanks..
I can see my level of reporting would not have been low enough to their standards. ------- "The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
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Jack bubu
Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.12 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowandLight i offered to report for ISD, sign the whole NDA thing, report all my accounts etc etc.
was told no thanks..
I can see my level of reporting would not have been low enough to their standards.
maybe they dont wanted ever news to start with "this is a WI(dot) news now"
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ShadowandLight
Amarr Doom Guard Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jack bubu
Originally by: ShadowandLight i offered to report for ISD, sign the whole NDA thing, report all my accounts etc etc.
was told no thanks..
I can see my level of reporting would not have been low enough to their standards.
maybe they dont wanted ever news to start with "this is a WI(dot) news now"
"This is WiDot news, reporting to you of all the bull**** you dont care about" :) ------- "The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
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Axemaster
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Posted - 2010.08.12 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nobzy Confirming spatial distortions in ISDs heads.
I believe you are referring to dementia?
Since news(papers) are obviously only for old people.
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Washukanni
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Posted - 2010.08.12 17:48:00 -
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ISD involvement in said scam???
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.08.12 17:52:00 -
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gb2MD ---
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust Mostly Cookie
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Posted - 2010.08.12 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Lykouleon on 12/08/2010 18:11:58 ISD screwing up another news article?
That is not post worthy in the slightest
Quote: Aedun Sole > flying with lyk is like flying a bus filled with 5 year old children
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Krennel Darius
Caldari Nova Security Systems The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2010.08.12 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler The purpose of the news written by ISD is to report things that are happening in EVE, simply being reported does not mean that ISD or CCP supports or endorses any event that is in those news.
Chribba, if you feel you're misquoted in the article (judging from your post I assume you do) I suggest you contact ISD and ask them to set the record straight.
I'm sorry, but you cant really be that naive. If you, as a representative for ISD and CCP alike, post something that is on the front page of this website, then you are endorsing its service, weather or not you intended to. You would have to state otherwise in your article.
Also, as far as just reporting things going on in New Eden, this is a pretty crappy thing to report anyway.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.08.12 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 12/08/2010 18:24:41
Chribba is a scammer. FACT.
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Lt Angus
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 18:27:00 -
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Chribbas bank stole my monies :-( please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers |
Victor Valka
Caldari Endoxa Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.12 18:39:00 -
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Web journalism at it's best.
Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla Chribba is a scammer. FACT.
Chribba's bank stole all my moneys2!! -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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blind deathwish
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:04:00 -
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ISD subject regularly appears in forums and then disappear without trace.
I believe this is a time that players take a stand on this subject.
I call for CSM representatives to discuss the matter with CCP and decide if the playerbase needs such a service or not.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: blind deathwish ISD subject regularly appears in forums and then disappear without trace.
I believe this is a time that players take a stand on this subject.
I call for CSM representatives to discuss the matter with CCP and decide if the playerbase needs such a service or not.
We do.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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ISD Najax Lergazin
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: ISD Najax Lergazin on 12/08/2010 19:20:37
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eKuivocal
Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: ISD Najax Lergazin Edited by: ISD Najax Lergazin on 12/08/2010 19:20:37
/me points and laughs
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: ISD Najax Lergazin Edited by: ISD Najax Lergazin on 12/08/2010 19:20:37
I lol'd. Hard.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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So Cash
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: blind deathwish ISD subject regularly appears in forums and then disappear without trace.
I believe this is a time that players take a stand on this subject.
I call for CSM representatives to discuss the matter with CCP and decide if the playerbase needs such a service or not.
We do.
-Liang
I must question why this post was deleted... it was even posted by a ISD in response to Liang's comment.
Missing Comment
Can someone elaborate on what just happened here?
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Nardman
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:09:00 -
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ISD? Thinking? You need brains to be able to think. THIS IS DOMINION! |
Washukanni
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: So Cash
I must question why this post was deleted... it was even posted by a ISD in response to Liang's comment.
Missing Comment
Can someone elaborate on what just happened here?
Good catch
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 12/08/2010 18:24:41
Chribba is a scammer. FACT.
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So Cash
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Washukanni
Originally by: So Cash
I must question why this post was deleted... it was even posted by a ISD in response to Liang's comment.
Missing Comment
Can someone elaborate on what just happened here?
Good catch
Why thank you very much
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: So Cash
Originally by: Washukanni
Originally by: So Cash
I must question why this post was deleted... it was even posted by a ISD in response to Liang's comment.
Missing Comment
Can someone elaborate on what just happened here?
Good catch
Why thank you very much
Do you typically screencap threads?
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult Do you typically screencap threads?
He wouldn't need too, Chibba's EVE Search would have captured it too.
Also confirming that the big meanie Chribba, did, in fact, 100% not take any monies from me!
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So Cash
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult
Originally by: So Cash
Originally by: Washukanni
Originally by: So Cash
I must question why this post was deleted... it was even posted by a ISD in response to Liang's comment.
Missing Comment
Can someone elaborate on what just happened here?
Good catch
Why thank you very much
Do you typically screencap threads?
No I just went to make a quote so I opened up the same page in a new tab and then noticed a differences in the comments so I just pressed back on my browser capped the post and then asked why the discrepancy was there.
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ISD Serathu Ashk
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: So Cash I must question why this post was deleted... it was even posted by a ISD in response to Liang's comment.
Missing Comment
Can someone elaborate on what just happened here?
Hi, I'm Serathu Ashk, the Editor-in-Chief of the Interstellar Correspondents.
I've just been alerted to this and am currently working to understand what has happened. In the meantime, allow me to be clear in saying that the views expressed in the post do not represent the position of the Interstellar Correspondents.
With regards to the other issues in this thread, I'll respond to those where appropriate in due course.
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FatFreddy
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: FatFreddy on 12/08/2010 20:57:37 You guys (ISD) should go into politics, you already got the painfully ridiculous NLP-lingo down to nearly a 100% perfection, combined with being amazingly incompetent, yet oh so sure of yourself.
Originally by: CCP Adida Removed a comment that isn't related to guild recruitment.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Estel Arador on 12/08/2010 21:14:39
Originally by: CCP Wrangler The purpose of the news written by ISD is to report things that are happening in EVE, simply being reported does not mean that ISD or CCP supports or endorses any event that is in those news.
Though it may not be official support or endorsement, reporting on a business and featuring it prominently on the character selection screen has a HUGE effect on that business. My service has been featured twice, the first time there were about 7 users per day in the week before the news item, and 15 per day in the week after the news item. The second time there were about 13 per day in the month before the news item, and 22 per day in the month after the news item. The 1-month moving average has been above 20 ever since. (See the graph here, dotted lines mark the news items.)
In the case of TheBankOfEve, a substandard attempt at starting a bank (and I'm being very charitable using this description) got a lot of customers it wouldn't have gotten without the news item - customers who very likely will not get the service they might expect after reading the article (again, I'm being very charitable describing it like this).
In the other thread, I summarised ISD's actions like this: Quote: the consensus seems to be that ISD has been reckless and utterly stupid by reporting the launch of The Bank Of Eve as it did. A completely new player with a scrappy - almost non-existent - business plan gets credulously promoted as the up and coming bank without any hard questions being asked, and worse, general quotes from well-known and very respected EVE players get distorted as if they've endorsed this specific new bank.
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:14:00 -
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Chribba doesen't own ISD yet?
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:16:00 -
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So whos f-ing us CCP moding a post with out saying so? ISD asking for it to be removed because, wow that is a writer?! LOL!
I never read the news, who the hell cares, anyone with a EVE tag on the forums CCP you better damn well understand players will CARE about what that person says... ah the fun drama! Fail all around!
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: ISD Najax Lergazin
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: blind deathwish ISD subject regularly appears in forums and then disappear without trace.
I believe this is a time that players take a stand on this subject.
I call for CSM representatives to discuss the matter with CCP and decide if the playerbase needs such a service or not.
We do.
-Liang
and would you care to explain the audience how they manage to do more good than damage? Are you a scammer and are you planning to use their "service" soon?
Seeing as how the point of my post was to claim that we players do in fact "need" ISD, I'm going to assume that "they" is "ISD". ISD does more good than harm because they provide a roleplay news background - as well as potentially keep the rest of us up to date about titan losses and such. It's fun... I see no reason to get rid of it. Even if I do think they could have been a bit more circumspect about tossing Chribba's name around. ;-)
And I'm really confused about the scammer accusation. On the off chance that the ISD rep got totally confused and thought I was saying that Eve needs this banking service: no. We don't. The game would require a much more expansive contracting system before banking could potentially be a "safe" thing to do. I mean, I wouldn't use any banking system in Eve... do I look stupid? Wait, don't answer that.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Kewso
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:27:00 -
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ISD is a joke anyhow, nothing more than useless spam nowdays
if CCP would remove the crap it would be nice not having so much useless clutter
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
ISD does more good than harm because they provide a roleplay news background
This specific item was as newsworthy as the guy who posted a 'Goodbey i am leaving eve'-thread the other day in general discussion and if the story had been checked it would have been obvious.Well until they actually published it that is , after that it started to become newsworthy.Now if the bank falls ISD can make a report on how their story coverage made an X amount scam possible.I sure want to read that story though.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys
This specific item was as newsworthy as the guy who posted a 'Goodbey i am leaving eve'-thread the other day in general discussion and if the story had been checked it would have been obvious.Well until they actually published it that is , after that it started to become newsworthy.Now if the bank falls ISD can make a report on how their story coverage made an X amount scam possible.I sure want to read that story though.
Well, sure. I wasn't saying that ISD should post such trivialities as someone starting up a new scam... but it is nice for them to cover situations where a dozen supercaps get lost and such. Even major pirate/FW battles could be fun if there were enough ISD correspondents. Although, I am looking forward to ISD's news coverage of the bank "mystically failing" and taking billions in because of their news report.
And it will all be CHRIBBA'S fault! Such a scammer!
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: flakeys
This specific item was as newsworthy as the guy who posted a 'Goodbey i am leaving eve'-thread the other day in general discussion and if the story had been checked it would have been obvious.Well until they actually published it that is , after that it started to become newsworthy.Now if the bank falls ISD can make a report on how their story coverage made an X amount scam possible.I sure want to read that story though.
Well, sure. I wasn't saying that ISD should post such trivialities as someone starting up a new scam... but it is nice for them to cover situations where a dozen supercaps get lost and such. Even major pirate/FW battles could be fun if there were enough ISD correspondents. Although, I am looking forward to ISD's news coverage of the bank "mystically failing" and taking billions in because of their news report.
And it will all be CHRIBBA'S fault! Such a scammer!
-Liang
Chribba, time to break out that secret Damage Control III.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: SencneS on 12/08/2010 21:44:42 I think that CCP and ISD are missing is that news in game give off the impression they are part of the game, which they are. As being part of the game it would indicate that CCP and ISD are pretty much endorsing this feature, but it works on a more "Suggestive" level then a player saying the exact same thing..
EBANK (Not this "excuse" for a Bank) ran a simple Banner ad on E-ON/Login screen, while at the time it was much more respected and supported by the community it received tens of billions of ISK extra from hundreds of players . One Thread about it is here. Just saying from past experience here.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: alittlebirdy So whos f-ing us CCP moding a post with out saying so? ISD asking for it to be removed because, wow that is a writer?! LOL!
I never read the news, who the hell cares, anyone with a EVE tag on the forums CCP you better damn well understand players will CARE about what that person says... ah the fun drama! Fail all around!
You said fail. I couldn't resist. All i've heard from this bank worries me. Please stay away if you can.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Shock an Awe
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Posted - 2010.08.12 23:26:00 -
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Posting in support of ISD, they do good and necessary work in EVE, and like all people, occasionally screw up.
If people fall for a scam bank they should do their homework better and HTFU.
So you guys and gals all keep reporting now, ya hear ? Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenÆt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
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RifterDrifter
They Found Oil On Your Anus
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Posted - 2010.08.13 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre Posting in support of ISD, they do good and necessary work in EVE, and like all people, occasionally screw up.
They literally ALWAYS screw up. There hasn't been a single report from them that wasn't either factually false or simply trolling.
And who could forget such master trolls like the interview of ISD with Skymarshal H.Ratli Smirks or the Interview with Pandemic Legion about their Fists of **** (that Interview misteriously disapeared later though) _______________________________________________
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.08.13 01:27:00 -
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I dunno, if ISD was gone I think I could still fly around and know what is going on in EVE just fine since that is what I do now and it works very well. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
Etien Aldragoran
Legitimate Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.13 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: So Cash I must question why this post was deleted... it was even posted by a ISD in response to Liang's comment.
Missing Comment
Can someone elaborate on what just happened here?
Hi, I'm Serathu Ashk, the Editor-in-Chief of the Interstellar Correspondents.
I've just been alerted to this and am currently working to understand what has happened. In the meantime, allow me to be clear in saying that the views expressed in the post do not represent the position of the Interstellar Correspondents.
With regards to the other issues in this thread, I'll respond to those where appropriate in due course.
Hmm, an editor in chief of a news agency, in which being sponsored and published by CCP creates a position of power in words, not quite realizing that simply bringing light to an event creates a position on which the agency stands. Sounds like generic CCP, imho.
"Hey guys, we in no way endorse this bank, but why dont you read up on it."
It works both ways, too ya know? Report that Alliance A wipes the field with Alliance B in a huge battle making it seem like that alliance is all great and everything. Then you dont follow up on anything related to the conflict and those only informed by the news miss out that over the next two weeks Alliance A suffered loss after loss and subsequently failure cascaded. All those lovely news readers will still think Alliance A is great and Alliance B isn't doing so hot.
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2010.08.13 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler The purpose of the news written by ISD is to report things that are happening in EVE, simply being reported does not mean that ISD or CCP supports or endorses any event that is in those news.
This is all good. But let me quote what I wrote in the bank's opening thread over in the MD forum:
Quote:
Plus, it's "official news at the login screen". I bet a lot of players aren't aware of the fact, that these news are made by players for players, meant to be both entertaining and informative, but nonetheless are just that: a player's attempt at a news article.
The question I have is: why was this "event" choosen to be "newsworthy"? As others already mentioned here, yet another (perhaps failed) attempt at opening a bank in EVE isn't something special and did happen before without receiving "public coverage".
Also, there haven been other (financial) events, such as Titans4U or the ownership change of One Stop Research, to just name two more prominent examples, which seem to be much more "newsworthy" than this one, given the business itself, the history of the business and the amount of money involved, which didn't make the news, as far as I remember.
Or, to put it another way, who has choosen to report about this venture? Someone from ISD/IC who stumbled across that posting over in MD? Or was ISD/IC approach by a player/that bank who asked for a news article (or even provided one himself)?
If the later, then a clever potential scammer has just managed to (ab)use EVE's frontline news to fuel his cause. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Goremageddon Box
Minmatar Guerilla Gorilla
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Posted - 2010.08.13 11:36:00 -
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this thread should be nominated for the most fail thread evar _______________________ Hottest Character Ever. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2010.08.13 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Or, to put it another way, who has choosen to report about this venture? Someone from ISD/IC who stumbled across that posting over in MD? Or was ISD/IC approach by a player/that bank who asked for a news article (or even provided one himself)?
If the later, then a clever potential scammer has just managed to (ab)use EVE's frontline news to fuel his cause.
The report was started before the MD thread. The 'bank' announced on their site that they were being interviewed by ISD about a week before the thread was started.
The report also gave a figure of 10 billion isk startup investment in the 'bank'. However, even the 'bank' only claimed this figure to be 2 bil. 400% margin of error ftw! Now that is quality reporting!
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Diabolick
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Posted - 2010.08.13 12:15:00 -
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Kudos to the guy doing the scamming tbh.
Not only did he create/recreate a scam and get it to work, but he got it advertised in a way all those Jita local wannabe's never could. Using ISD to promote his scam was pretty n1 imo. Chribba's name being mentioned was nothing but the icing on the cake and was probably ISD's doing. We all know Chribba never turn's down the opportunity to inflate his presence.
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Phenethylamine
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Posted - 2010.08.13 12:25:00 -
[55]
Fact-checking is held to pretty low standards even in mainstream gaming journalism (IGN, Gamespy, printed magazines) so I can't say I'd be surprised if a press corps dedicated to a single MMO makes some bad mistakes from time to time.
They're reporting on games, not politics or economics, I think they can be forgiven for not trying to be BBC World News.
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc
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Posted - 2010.08.13 12:31:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Diabolick Kudos to the guy doing the scamming tbh.
Not only did he create/recreate a scam and get it to work, but he got it advertised in a way all those Jita local wannabe's never could.
The problem here and what most are pointing out is that it worked BECAUSE of the advertisement.That is the key problem.
Making bad coverage about a 0.0 capfight i could care less about since only ego's get hurt by that.This however takes isk from the new and ignorant and allthough i know scamming is a part of the game and i have no problem with that in this case the scam would probably either not have happened or on a smaller scale then what it is now.
The only good thing could be that this news got out before he even get's more isk allthough a lot of people don't read the forums in the hopes his scam only gave hiim a small amount of billions.
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Bagrista
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Posted - 2010.08.13 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys The problem here and what most are pointing out is that it worked BECAUSE of the advertisement.That is the key problem.
Making bad coverage about a 0.0 capfight i could care less about since only ego's get hurt by that.This however takes isk from the new and ignorant and allthough i know scamming is a part of the game and i have no problem with that in this case the scam would probably either not have happened or on a smaller scale then what it is now.
The only good thing could be that this news got out before he even get's more isk allthough a lot of people don't read the forums in the hopes his scam only gave hiim a small amount of billions.
What people like you think/say happened: ISD forced everyone at gunpoint to use the service and give the scammer all his money.
What really happened: ISD wrote about a new service and asked Chribba to comment. ******s who believe everything they read anywhere saw Chribba's name without actually reading and comprehending the article, then proceeded to put all their money in said service and will never get it back.
I mean, seriously, do you people buy everything you ever see advertised? If you saw an advertisement saying "butt **** sale - $5.99 only! order nao!", would you rush to the queue and get yourself at least five of those? This is my annoying sig. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2010.08.13 13:36:00 -
[58]
Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Or, to put it another way, who has choosen to report about this venture? Someone from ISD/IC who stumbled across that posting over in MD? Or was ISD/IC approach by a player/that bank who asked for a news article (or even provided one himself)?
If the later, then a clever potential scammer has just managed to (ab)use EVE's frontline news to fuel his cause.
The report was started before the MD thread. The 'bank' announced on their site that they were being interviewed by ISD about a week before the thread was started.
This is not the way I remember the chronology of events. An indication for this is that the MD thread is referenced in the report, which is dated 2010.08.09 22:05:33, whereas the MD thread was started at 2010.08.08 15:43:00 -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
So Cash
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Posted - 2010.08.13 14:30:00 -
[59]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: So Cash I must question why this post was deleted... it was even posted by a ISD in response to Liang's comment.
Missing Comment
Can someone elaborate on what just happened here?
Hi, I'm Serathu Ashk, the Editor-in-Chief of the Interstellar Correspondents.
I've just been alerted to this and am currently working to understand what has happened. In the meantime, allow me to be clear in saying that the views expressed in the post do not represent the position of the Interstellar Correspondents.
With regards to the other issues in this thread, I'll respond to those where appropriate in due course.
I want to know who deleted that post and why? I didn't realise ISDs could delete posts and if they couldn't why didn't it just get edited rather than trying to cover up the tracks.
I think the Eve community would be pleased to see the disciplinary progress in the near future. In some sense we could almost interpret that ISD member "Flaming".
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc
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Posted - 2010.08.13 14:43:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Or, to put it another way, who has choosen to report about this venture? Someone from ISD/IC who stumbled across that posting over in MD? Or was ISD/IC approach by a player/that bank who asked for a news article (or even provided one himself)?
If the later, then a clever potential scammer has just managed to (ab)use EVE's frontline news to fuel his cause.
The report was started before the MD thread. The 'bank' announced on their site that they were being interviewed by ISD about a week before the thread was started.
This is not the way I remember the chronology of events. An indication for this is that the MD thread is referenced in the report, which is dated 2010.08.09 22:05:33, whereas the MD thread was started at 2010.08.08 15:43:00
From thebankofeve's own forum under news section:
'Interview with ISD Rhom Windfell (Eve News) Wenesday July 28th 2010
We had our very first interview with ISD Rhom Windfell of EVE News. This is a giant step forward for us. We're working to establish ourselves as strong and trusted banking institution. '
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HermanGelmet
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Posted - 2010.08.13 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kewso ISD is a joke anyhow, nothing more than useless spam nowdays
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ISD Serathu Ashk
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2010.08.13 22:33:00 -
[62]
Originally by: So Cash
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: So Cash I must question why this post was deleted... it was even posted by a ISD in response to Liang's comment.
Missing Comment
Can someone elaborate on what just happened here?
Hi, I'm Serathu Ashk, the Editor-in-Chief of the Interstellar Correspondents.
I've just been alerted to this and am currently working to understand what has happened. In the meantime, allow me to be clear in saying that the views expressed in the post do not represent the position of the Interstellar Correspondents.
With regards to the other issues in this thread, I'll respond to those where appropriate in due course.
I want to know who deleted that post and why? I didn't realise ISDs could delete posts and if they couldn't why didn't it just get edited rather than trying to cover up the tracks.
I think the Eve community would be pleased to see the disciplinary progress in the near future. In some sense we could almost interpret that ISD member "Flaming".
I've now had the time to look into this and it seems that what happened was that the reporter intended to make the post using his player character but was still logged in to the website with his IC character and posted with this in error. Upon realising the mistake, he edited the post to remove the content and then CCP Community followed up by deleting the now-blank post.
The reporter is not authorised to post on the forums with his IC character without permission and the views expressed are not those of IC. I apologise for any offense caused and can assure you that appropriate action has been taken in this matter.
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bitter vetiranarian
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Posted - 2010.08.13 23:00:00 -
[63]
I believe this explanation since the eve forums, like so much other parts of the game, are laughably counter-intuitive and broken on purpose.
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.13 23:11:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Bagrista
I mean, seriously, do you people buy everything you ever see advertised? If you saw an advertisement saying "butt **** sale - $5.99 only! order nao!", would you rush to the queue and get yourself at least five of those?
But the fine print didnt state who's butt would get ****d .... ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ========================== |
Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.08.14 02:19:00 -
[65]
Ive come here to chew bubblegum and butt ****
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and im all out of bubblegum
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.08.14 03:50:00 -
[66]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk The reporter is not authorised to post on the forums with his IC character without permission and the views expressed are not those of IC. I apologise for any offense caused and can assure you that appropriate action has been taken in this matter.
So post with a alt, don't make us look bad? lol
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.08.14 04:29:00 -
[67]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk ...The reporter is not authorised to post on the forums with his IC character without permission and the views expressed are not those of IC. I apologise for any offense caused and can assure you that appropriate action has been taken in this matter.
Well I guess that clears everything up...
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RifterDrifter
They Found Oil On Your Anus
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Posted - 2010.08.14 04:50:00 -
[68]
I always see the IC with mixed feeling.
On one hand, i sometimes thought about volunteering so they might eventually do News based on facts, but then i realize i would probably just make crap up for trolling like apparently many IC-Members are doing. _______________________________________________
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Amanda Mor
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.14 05:41:00 -
[69]
Wait a sec - so a news organization reported incorrectly on a particular story? Doesn't this actually make it more realistic?
I think this is a great thing tbh.
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Minchurra
Caldari Feudum Chalybis The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:32:00 -
[70]
They were most likely suffering from extreme ~~spatial distortions~~
In other news, MD Elite tears, best tears
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:33:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Amanda Mor Wait a sec - so a news organization reported incorrectly on a particular story? Doesn't this actually make it more realistic?
I think this is a great thing tbh.
That is like saying you use onion news network as main news source.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:41:00 -
[72]
All media outlets in the real world have a slant/angle or filter with which the process and interpret the stories they come across. ISD are simply a media outlet in an MMO. They have a specific agenda and filter the news they proceed to present to every eve player on login. Unlike real life media who may have to face consequences for intentionally misleading or highly inaccurate articles, ISD have no accountability. Essentially the media service provided by them is in the same category of the media in a thrid world dictatorship, and suffers from all the same aflictions.
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CCP Adida
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.14 13:50:00 -
[73]
Cleared a trolling comment
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.08.14 14:50:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Jita Alt666 Unlike real life media who may have to face consequences for intentionally misleading or highly inaccurate articles, ISD have no accountability. Essentially the media service provided by them is in the same category of the media in a thrid world dictatorship, and suffers from all the same aflictions.
Have you ever heard of FOX News? Or does the US under Obama count as a Third World Dictatorship? (I have no doubt FOX News would answer affirmatively to that.)
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Amanda Mor
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.14 16:05:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Amanda Mor Wait a sec - so a news organization reported incorrectly on a particular story? Doesn't this actually make it more realistic?
I think this is a great thing tbh.
That is like saying you use onion news network as main news source.
I do actually, what's wrong with that? They get stories right about as often as Fox News... ---------------------------------------------- I don't have an alt, but there's a main that would be upset if he heard me say that... |
Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.14 16:22:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Amanda Mor
Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Amanda Mor Wait a sec - so a news organization reported incorrectly on a particular story? Doesn't this actually make it more realistic?
I think this is a great thing tbh.
That is like saying you use onion news network as main news source.
I do actually, what's wrong with that? They get stories right about as often as Fox News...
confirming.
But wait, no, Fox News has the most viewers, they must be right...
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Amanda Mor
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.14 16:38:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Stick Cult
Originally by: Amanda Mor
Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Amanda Mor Wait a sec - so a news organization reported incorrectly on a particular story? Doesn't this actually make it more realistic?
I think this is a great thing tbh.
That is like saying you use onion news network as main news source.
I do actually, what's wrong with that? They get stories right about as often as Fox News...
confirming.
But wait, no, Fox News has the most viewers, they must be right...
Exactly - and the best singers come from American Idol, the greatest movie ever made is Avatar, and the book with the most truth is the Bible!
But, seriously, back on topic - is it really such a big deal that an unpaid, voluntary news service got a story wrong and quoted people out of context?
Can't we all get back to the "important" whines like fleet lag that is destroying the game despite only affecting about 1% of the player base? Oh, and blasters suck. ---------------------------------------------- I don't have an alt, but there's a main that would be upset if he heard me say that... |
Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.14 16:42:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Amanda Mor
Originally by: Stick Cult
Originally by: Amanda Mor
I do actually, what's wrong with that? They get stories right about as often as Fox News...
confirming.
But wait, no, Fox News has the most viewers, they must be right...
Exactly - and the best singers come from American Idol, the greatest movie ever made is Avatar, and the book with the most truth is the Bible!
But, seriously, back on topic - is it really such a big deal that an unpaid, voluntary news service got a story wrong and quoted people out of context?
Can't we all get back to the "important" whines like fleet lag that is destroying the game despite only affecting about 1% of the player base? Oh, and blasters suck.
You forgot FW.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Jypsie
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Posted - 2010.08.14 17:03:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Amanda Mor
Exactly - and the best singers come from American Idol, the greatest movie ever made is Avatar, and the book with the most truth is the Bible!
But, seriously, back on topic - is it really such a big deal that an unpaid, voluntary news service got a story wrong and quoted people out of context?
Can't we all get back to the "important" whines like fleet lag that is destroying the game despite only affecting about 1% of the player base? Oh, and blasters suck.
Rockets suck.
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Amanda Mor
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.14 17:11:00 -
[80]
Thread is now about what sucks more than the ISD. ---------------------------------------------- I don't have an alt, but there's a main that would be upset if he heard me say that... |
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.14 17:14:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Stick Cult on 14/08/2010 17:14:20
Originally by: Amanda Mor Thread is now about what sucks more than the ISD.
Your mom, in bed last night.
Or, a vacuum.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.14 17:21:00 -
[82]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: So Cash
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: So Cash I must question why this post was deleted... it was even posted by a ISD in response to Liang's comment.
Missing Comment
Can someone elaborate on what just happened here?
Hi, I'm Serathu Ashk, the Editor-in-Chief of the Interstellar Correspondents.
I've just been alerted to this and am currently working to understand what has happened. In the meantime, allow me to be clear in saying that the views expressed in the post do not represent the position of the Interstellar Correspondents.
With regards to the other issues in this thread, I'll respond to those where appropriate in due course.
I want to know who deleted that post and why? I didn't realise ISDs could delete posts and if they couldn't why didn't it just get edited rather than trying to cover up the tracks.
I think the Eve community would be pleased to see the disciplinary progress in the near future. In some sense we could almost interpret that ISD member "Flaming".
I've now had the time to look into this and it seems that what happened was that the reporter intended to make the post using his player character but was still logged in to the website with his IC character and posted with this in error. Upon realising the mistake, he edited the post to remove the content and then CCP Community followed up by deleting the now-blank post.
The reporter is not authorised to post on the forums with his IC character without permission and the views expressed are not those of IC. I apologise for any offense caused and can assure you that appropriate action has been taken in this matter.
Is he going to get kicked for basically saying that ISD is **** on his ISD char ?
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.08.14 18:39:00 -
[83]
Unfortunately, just like movable and destructible plex, CCP has a vested interest in ISK scams. See the why's and how's now?
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.14 21:46:00 -
[84]
I remember an ISD falling for a troll by an alliance in february - cant remember alliance - but they told the isd they lost 50 carriers in one battle and sure enough there it was on front page next day.
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Varkosas
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Posted - 2010.08.14 23:08:00 -
[85]
sure is video games
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Carine Parnasse
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Posted - 2010.08.16 08:59:00 -
[86]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
The reporter is not authorised to post on the forums with his IC character without permission and the views expressed are not those of IC. I apologise for any offense caused and can assure you that appropriate action has been taken in this matter.
Nice to see you screen aplicants well, they are free to troll away as long as they aren't obviously connected to you.
/nthing get rid of ISD
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DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2010.08.16 12:17:00 -
[87]
I remember when ISD's lost powers to do Events due to the fact that they were spawning super-ships with uber-mods and then getting pals to kill them :P..
I remember when ISD's lost forum powers due to the fact that they were sending out "warning" emails to people to try and link alts to mains and harvest email address's. They were also keeping their own sales threads clean and other threads to protect their own alts when they got caught scamming :P
I remember when some of the same ISD's who were involved in the first two methods of cheating the game started having "news items" put up that reinforced them selling wormholes (LOL?) and verifying that they were worth billions.
I Remember a news item where ISD's linked to a EVE_Hater who had so many comments in his bio about the ****heads and ****y's who work for CCP that it made you wonder if ISD's ever actually look at the people before they link them in news threads...
If you give "Community" people the chance to do anything that can scam/modify views enmasse then they'll give it a go. ----------- Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! ! |
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ISD Serathu Ashk
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2010.08.16 13:22:00 -
[88]
Originally by: DeODokktor I remember when ISD's lost powers to do Events due to the fact that they were spawning super-ships with uber-mods and then getting pals to kill them :P..
I remember when ISD's lost forum powers due to the fact that they were sending out "warning" emails to people to try and link alts to mains and harvest email address's. They were also keeping their own sales threads clean and other threads to protect their own alts when they got caught scamming :P
I remember when some of the same ISD's who were involved in the first two methods of cheating the game started having "news items" put up that reinforced them selling wormholes (LOL?) and verifying that they were worth billions.
I Remember a news item where ISD's linked to a EVE_Hater who had so many comments in his bio about the ****heads and ****y's who work for CCP that it made you wonder if ISD's ever actually look at the people before they link them in news threads...
If you give "Community" people the chance to do anything that can scam/modify views enmasse then they'll give it a go.
The five ISD divisions are now overseen by CCP Internal Affairs in the same way that CCP employees are. If you believe that you have evidence showing an ISD member acting innapropriately, you are encouraged to email [email protected] with the evidence that you have.
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ISD Serathu Ashk
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2010.08.16 13:24:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Carine Parnasse
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
The reporter is not authorised to post on the forums with his IC character without permission and the views expressed are not those of IC. I apologise for any offense caused and can assure you that appropriate action has been taken in this matter.
Nice to see you screen aplicants well, they are free to troll away as long as they aren't obviously connected to you.
/nthing get rid of ISD
Actually, they're not free to at all. Our conflict of interest rules prevent IC members from getting involved in threads relating to IC and this is being reinforced as a result of what's happened.
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DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2010.08.16 13:38:00 -
[90]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
The five ISD divisions are now overseen by CCP Internal Affairs in the same way that CCP employees are. If you believe that you have evidence showing an ISD member acting innapropriately, you are encouraged to email [email protected] with the evidence that you have.
Yes, I belive an internal investigaion I spawned may have been part of the precursers to internalaffairs getting set up :P...
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JC Anderson
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.08.16 15:03:00 -
[91]
Edited by: JC Anderson on 16/08/2010 15:04:23
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: Carine Parnasse
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
The reporter is not authorised to post on the forums with his IC character without permission and the views expressed are not those of IC. I apologise for any offense caused and can assure you that appropriate action has been taken in this matter.
Nice to see you screen aplicants well, they are free to troll away as long as they aren't obviously connected to you.
/nthing get rid of ISD
Actually, they're not free to at all. Our conflict of interest rules prevent IC members from getting involved in threads relating to IC and this is being reinforced as a result of what's happened.
Not only that but they also can get the boot simply for not remaining "IN CHARACTER" and "ROLE PLAYING" the part of their ISD alt. Be it on the forums or in-game.
Seeing as most of the forums are handled in an out of character experience, it kind of adds another reason why they can't post as their ISD alt. ;)
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ISD Serathu Ashk
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2010.08.16 16:06:00 -
[92]
Originally by: JC Anderson Edited by: JC Anderson on 16/08/2010 15:04:23
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: Carine Parnasse
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
The reporter is not authorised to post on the forums with his IC character without permission and the views expressed are not those of IC. I apologise for any offense caused and can assure you that appropriate action has been taken in this matter.
Nice to see you screen aplicants well, they are free to troll away as long as they aren't obviously connected to you.
/nthing get rid of ISD
Actually, they're not free to at all. Our conflict of interest rules prevent IC members from getting involved in threads relating to IC and this is being reinforced as a result of what's happened.
Not only that but they also can get the boot simply for not remaining "IN CHARACTER" and "ROLE PLAYING" the part of their ISD alt. Be it on the forums or in-game.
Seeing as most of the forums are handled in an out of character experience, it kind of adds another reason why they can't post as their ISD alt. ;)
Sorry, perhaps wasn't as clear as I could have been there.
IC's conflict of interest rules prevent IC members from getting involved in threads relating to IC as their player characters. Regarding posting on the forums as their IC characters (something I'm doing now), this requires approval from a senior member of IC who will also give instruction as to whether or not the person needs to stay in-character when posting.
In-game, the default is to remain in-character unless instructed otherwise.
I hope that makes things clear!
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.16 16:09:00 -
[93]
So it would be safe to assume any thread concerning IC will have a good amount of IC members posting on their regular characters, then.
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T'Amber
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.18 03:59:00 -
[94]
ISD does a great job, but they're not perfect. They are volunteers and do not get paid, and one incorrect story out of a double dozen or so isn't so bad considering their lack of man power.
[SoE:X]
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.08.18 04:55:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 18/08/2010 05:06:28
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk I hope that makes things clear!
What confuses me is that I got flamed by ISD for defending ISD.
-Liang
Ed: Also, I continue to think ISD is cool and don't begrudge them the screw up. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Mohojo
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Posted - 2010.08.18 04:58:00 -
[96]
Originally by: T'Amber ISD does a great job, but they're not perfect. They are volunteers and do not get paid, and one incorrect story out of a double dozen or so isn't so bad considering their lack of man power.
I agree with you on that 100%
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