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Ruby Khann
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Posted - 2010.10.06 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Ruby Khann on 06/10/2010 16:50:53 Neither does CCP.
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Jack Gilligan
Caldari 1st Cavalry Division Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.06 16:56:00 -
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While I've always expected better of CCP, and am disappointed to say the least, anyone who has played MMO games for years know that the first rule of the genre is:
Publishers lie.
The second rule is that publishers will choose profit over the interest of the players when the two come into conflict every time.
Eventually some beancounter at CCP will go to management and point out that the sandbox model doesn't lend itself well to macrotranscams (there is nothing micro about micro transactions) and we'll get a NGE to make it more so.
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Shepard Book
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:13:00 -
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Details please
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Bluefix
Gnu Terror Corps
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shepard Book Details please
"Eurogamer: Business models in MMOs are changing. Are there any plans to use micro-transactions in EVE to allow people to re-map their skills?
Torfi Frans Olafsson: Yeah, we are looking at introducing virtual goods within the game, but we feel those things should be vanity items rather than those that give you a clear benefit over other players in-game.
That said, we are introducing a feature this expansion [Incursion], that does allow you to re-map your attributes using Pilot Licence Extensions, which are bought both in-game and on our website. PLEX represents 30-days subscription within the game.
We will evolve just like everyone else. We will certainly not become a dinosaur. That has not been our style."
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Eugene Spencer
Rodents of Unusual Size
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:15:00 -
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You realised you don't need to use the micro transactions yeah?
Quit moaning, bawbags.
===== I have a specific comb for my beard. |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:17:00 -
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You missed the discussion on this over a month ago.
Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Suboran
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Eugene Spencer You realised you don't need to use the micro transactions yeah?
Quit moaning, bawbags.
it's the presence and precident that counts.
[insert generic comment about whining or how eugene is a noob or baby]
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Gainremi
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Eugene Spencer You realised you don't need to use the micro transactions yeah?
Yeah, you don't even need to play to game. And you don't really need to change your attributes, especially since you used to be able to do it for free. Maybe the next step is to pay a fee when you undock from a station? |
Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:30:00 -
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As a general rule, people buy PLEX to sell for ISK.
People (usually) purchase PLEX to extend their subscription and likely to do a remap with ISK.
Granted, you could spend money on a PLEX for the sole purpose of remapping, but why would you?
So, in essense, you are spending ISK to be able to remap.
That being said, it is possibly the worst idea that I have seen CCP consider.
===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you. |
Colonel Evans
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Colonel Evans on 06/10/2010 17:36:13 ETC's cost 35$ each guys, purchase of in game currency for real world money has been around for a very long time.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:34:00 -
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I do not approve and will not use PLEX for remaps...end of problem for me.
Syn Callibri Commander - Fleet Ops [21EL] Keeper of the Blood Pact
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Eris Davion
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gainremi
Originally by: Eugene Spencer You realised you don't need to use the micro transactions yeah?
Yeah, you don't even need to play to game. And you don't really need to change your attributes, especially since you used to be able to do it for free. Maybe the next step is to pay a fee when you undock from a station?
That's a lot of grease you're pouring on that slope, there.
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Shepard Book
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:35:00 -
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I am disappointed to see this start here. Micro transactions are the reason I would not try Star trek. To say a remap of attributes is a vanity item is wrong IMO. I dread to think what will be next.
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Aerilis
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:38:00 -
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Next step? Give it a year, they'll take away the free remap you get every 12 months.
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Spurty on 06/10/2010 17:40:05
Originally by: "Businessman not going to go out of business" We will evolve just like everyone else. We will certainly not become a dinosaur. That has not been our style.
OP "Wake up and smell the 2010s man".
Yelp!
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:40:00 -
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****, I knew this was gonna happen. ...
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Bluefix
Gnu Terror Corps
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Spurty Edited by: Spurty on 06/10/2010 17:40:05
Originally by: "Businessman not going to go out of business" We will evolve just like everyone else. We will certainly not become a dinosaur. That has not been our style.
As if microtransactions ever had anything to do with evolution. It's a way for less than great games to make money and for better games to extort customers.
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Zverofaust
Gallente Locus Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:04:00 -
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Remember when games didn't require subscriptions and you could buy it for $20 and it was yours to play forever? I remember this discussion when subscription-based games first started becoming popular and everyone was shocked that games developers expected people to pay the cost of the game every month they wanted to play it, and yet here we are...
Point being, and I don't mean this in a trolling way, but if you don't like it, stop playing. Find another hobby or game to invest your time and effort in without being ****ed off by it. I wish I could... ___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara |
Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:11:00 -
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*sigh*
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust Remember when games didn't require subscriptions and you could buy it for $20 and it was yours to play forever? I remember this discussion when subscription-based games first started becoming popular and everyone was shocked that games developers expected people to pay the cost of the game every month they wanted to play it, and yet here we are...
Point being, and I don't mean this in a trolling way, but if you don't like it, stop playing. Find another hobby or game to invest your time and effort in without being ****ed off by it. I wish I could...
MMOs regularly expand content in various ways and maintain a persistent online world. Comparing that level of service with the non-persistent, essentially-static content of the old battle.net starcraft and Diablo is not really fair.
Comparing an MMO without microtransactions to the exact same MMO with microtransactions, by contrast, is a fair cop. ---
If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous |
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Troll Bridgington
SWARTA Mostly Clueless
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:28:00 -
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We need a few more threads about this.
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Azrakadar
Minmatar The Nietzsche Followers
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:29:00 -
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No micro transactions was one of the main things I loved about Eve. I could go around bloating that my MMO had nothing some people could have and some people couldn't.
CCP, you are scaring me.
Please reconsider, and listen to your community.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:29:00 -
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This is just plain rotten, and I will have a very hard time swallowing it, I am having alot of fun in RvB right now, otherwise I would quit right away ;( http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
dtyk
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Azrakadar No micro transactions was one of the main things I loved about Eve. I could go around bloating that my MMO had nothing some people could have and some people couldn't.
CCP, you are scaring me.
Please reconsider, and listen to your community.
I can't afford a titan. Therefore I can't have a titan. Your argument is invalid.
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Orree
Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Eugene Spencer You realised you don't need to use the micro transactions yeah?
Quit moaning, bawbags.
Exactly.
Cripes, people...get a grip.
---------- "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
Dhaul
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:08:00 -
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It's almost like there's no such thing as the free remaps everybody gets.
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Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:09:00 -
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Are you people insane. How is this any different from being able to buy ISK via GTC already?
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Jennifer Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:13:00 -
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I have a minimum one year skill plan, optimized for my attributes. The free remap is all anyone ever needs unless they're pants-on-head ******ed.
Seriously, you babies will whine about anything.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:29:00 -
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If it is just vanity items, then it's not such a big deal to me. It does allow for the potential of player created content though, that is "uploaded" and sold on some sort of market place.
Suppose to upload a player created bit of clothing, the uploader pays CCP $2, then the player can sell it in game for ISK. The item is delivered to the purchasing player in game. Here the brunt of the RL money cost is on the creator and not in game purchasers.
A scheme like this would also tend to reduce the amount of crap that people uploaded for sale as there is an associated cost, and to recoup that cost the uploaded content needs to be worth purchasing for in game ISK.
I'm sure some jackass will still upload the pink thorax hat, but that can be petitioned, oops, ass hat wasted his money.
... as long as it is vanity, then only the vain should worry.
The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
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Sky Orcagna
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Orcagna on 06/10/2010 19:45:37 LoTRO just went through the EXACT same thing. Turbine promised that microtransactions would only be for vanity items and not for anything that actually affected gameplay. Well that lie lasted about two seconds. The first thing they did was add all sorts of "uber" potions and special items which instantly morphed the game into the very worst sort of RMT grind. And just like all the other MMOs which have migrated to the microtransaction model, overnight there was an massive influx of snotty teens, gold farmers, and scammers into the game. Turbine lied about microtransactions just like the other MMO publishers have lied.
I am thoroughly disgusted by CCP on this. If they raised the price of EVE I would gladly pay it. But I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that once microtransactions are introduced in EVE, they will eventually start selling gameplay-changing items. Bank on it. The temptation to do so is simply overwhelming once they get a taste of that extra income.
Every major MMO publisher has told the same lie and I see no reason whatsoever to give CCP the benefit of the doubt here. Just another cheap money grab. Just watch the explosion of ISK-farming, RMT-fueled scamers that will be drawn to this like flies to ****e.
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