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Ensign X
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:48:00 -
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You've quoted my post while adding nothing to it, so I can only consider you in full agreement with me and this issue as settled. Thank you for your contribution. |
Xel Set
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:54:00 -
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Ensign X wrote:Xel Set wrote:You've missed the point. CCP is on the record, extensively, stating they intend for the game to be played actively and for consequences to exist for any activity. AFK cloaking is not playing the game, it's the opposite, and the player faces no consequences for using going afk to game the system. Cracking down on afk-plexers without fixing AFK cloaky income disruption is a hypocritical double-standard and CCP's activity with afk plexing spotlights that point.
Despite your desperation to frame the argument as one where I'm asking to have my hand held, it's actually your own poopy diaper that needs to be changed. I AFK cloak my own enemies so long as the rules allow it. That doesn't mean I fail to recognize or support a broken game mechanic when I see it, while your own monochromatic gameplay apparently relies upon a faulty premise. Cry about it some more. You're the idiot crying here. Don't forget that. CCP has never said and will never say that AFK cloaking is a problem in EVE because it irrefutably is not. Yet, instead of taking your tears into one of the dozen joke threads about this non-existent issue, you bring it here to a thread which has absolutely nothing, zero, nada, zilch to do with AFK cloaking. That you or anybody else is so terrified of somebody who is cloaked while AFK in a system that it shuts down all PVE speaks volumes about the cowardice of these people and suggests that they should, instead, spend their time within the safe confines of Highsec. In your own words, "AFK cloaking is not playing the game". How can anybody possibly be a danger to you or force the shutdown of ISK generation if they're not playing the game unless it's your own cowardice that forces you to consider somebody who isn't at their keyboard or even playing the game a threat. That's. Just. Pathetic.
Wow, thatGÇÖs a whole lot of butthurt. Your total failure to address any of the obviously salient issues I raised, your persistently desperate deflections, and your inarticulate inability to address my rhetoric without exposing ineptitude through almost exclusive reliance on emotionally charged accusation: they all speak volumes about the maturity behind the reasoning of your GÇ£argumentGÇ¥.
As such, IGÇÖm going to let my argument stand and speak for itself. CCP does not intend for their game to be played AFK, and no amount of your frothing at the mouth can override that very simple truth, which is exactly why you donGÇÖt even try. IGÇÖm finished with you and enjoying how miserably you unhesitatingly represent yourself to the entire Eve community impotent impotent, insubstantial, poorly reasoned forum raging. IGÇÖm sure your apoplectic need to respond will be equally entertaining. U so mad, lol.
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Wuxi Wuxilla
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:11:00 -
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Xel Set wrote:
Wow, thatGÇÖs a whole lot of butthurt. Your total failure to address any of the obviously salient issues I raised, your persistently desperate deflections, and your inarticulate inability to address my rhetoric without exposing ineptitude through almost exclusive reliance on emotionally charged accusation: they all speak volumes about the maturity behind the reasoning of your GÇ£argumentGÇ¥.
As such, IGÇÖm going to let my argument stand and speak for itself. CCP does not intend for their game to be played AFK, and no amount of your frothing at the mouth can override that very simple truth, which is exactly why you donGÇÖt even try. IGÇÖm finished with you and enjoying how miserably you unhesitatingly represent yourself to the entire Eve community with impotent, insubstantial, poorly reasoned forum raging. IGÇÖm sure your apoplectic need to respond will be equally entertaining. But keep telling yourself that you're not the idiot. U so mad, lol.
After this post I'm pretty sure I know who is mad and it's not him.
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FuzzyWuzzy WasACareBear
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 03:54:00 -
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Dregol wrote:Pisov viet wrote: Then MAYBE the problem is CCP placing NPC battleships to kill in highsec. .
Pretty much just this. It'd be great if while "fixing" these complexes if they "accidentally" moved all level 3/4 agents to low/null sec.
ROFL...lowsec ganker scumbags have been rubbing themselves wanting this for years now......CCP isnt stupid. |
Rinko the Salvager
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 04:05:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:cheese monkey wrote:Sreegs... Before you alienate your entire player/customer base i suggest you withdraw this and have a think a bit longer. The mere fact that u have edited it 3 times is negligence at best! Its ok to admit you were wrong and say sorry. If anything doing so would GAIN you some respect. It was edited once because people misinterpreted my comments to mean that we were banning activity that we aren't. This seems to still be the case. There is a very specific situation which caused this detection which is essentially warping into a particular cosmos plex at downtime, dropping your sentry drones, applying reps to them then leaving your computer until the next downtime. This is possible because in that particular room the drones respawn. This is going on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. That is bad. If you haven't already heard from us then to date you haven't been doing it. However, there have been cases where people HAVE been doing this and complained that there was no announcement put out about it. Here is the announcement. This potentially impacts more than the one COSMOS plex which is why the specific COSMOS plex was not mentioned in the OP. Were I to mention it then they would move to a new plex and we'd be dealing with the same rage from them because THIS IS A DIFFERENT PLEX.
Jesus christ, the news post didn't clear this out until I read this thread half way to read this specific post. Please update your news post to make sure everyone reading the post understands that this refers to "COSMOS" complex. This was very very upsetting news to us all, and the way you have been continuously clarifying in this thread shows how little you understand the way your news post is read and understood.
Please CLARIFY more! |
BigCynoBoom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 04:23:00 -
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I can't see how this is an exploit, CCP ******* things up as usual.
If it only takes a few locking your drones up and putting reps on them to do this effectively then you can't criticize people for doing it and leaving. They already bought the ship, put it together and found a Cosmos to farm not much left to do for 23 hours except jerk off at your computer. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
332
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Posted - 2012.08.13 05:59:00 -
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"going to do your laundry"? um excuse me.. but putting in a load of laundry doesn't take 23 hours. I have consistantly done my laundry three minutes at a time for years because of mining cycle time.
If the person is going to their bed and sleeping that's a different story but you can drop sentries and sit there with your eyes glued to your monitor and accomplsih the same thing.
I think you are nit-picking here CCP.. If I were you I would be very careful accusing people of being AFK in a game where AFK activity is very much part of the norm, (skill training, contract and market orders, PI, moon mining, sitting in station doing nothing, freighting on autopilot, and to a much lesser degree regular mining.) [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:23:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:"going to do your laundry"? um excuse me.. but putting in a load of laundry doesn't take 23 hours. I have consistantly done my laundry three minutes at a time for years because of mining cycle time.
If the person is going to their bed and sleeping that's a different story but you can drop sentries and sit there with your eyes glued to your monitor and accomplsih the same thing.
I think you are nit-picking here CCP.. If I were you I would be very careful accusing people of being AFK in a game where AFK activity is very much part of the norm, (skill training, contract and market orders, PI, moon mining, sitting in station doing nothing, freighting on autopilot, and to a much lesser degree regular mining.) Sounds to me like you are joining the tin foil hat folks that claim that "afk" is any activity engaged in where you do not toucvh the keyboard regardless of your presence in the seat.
PS BTW.. "afk" cloaking is not an issue. if you are absent you are no threat and cannot do anything, making money or otherwise, in game. I've always said that the cloaking nerf-herders are really all about nerfing the non "afk" cloakers.
If only you didn't AFK your way through the previous 25 pages of this thread.... you might have posted something new and relevant then. |
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
31
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Posted - 2012.08.13 07:37:00 -
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They might wanna look at the same for the static DED complexes in hisec... always some people camping the last rooms in these complexes 24/7 - for an example, just look at Autama... 2/10 |
Samroski
Games Inc.
68
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Posted - 2012.08.13 07:43:00 -
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Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar wrote:Not sure how relevant my little note here is, so take it with a grain of salt:
I recently read that sitting for extended periods of time shortens your lifespan - anything over a few hours a day - and that the shortening can be as much as quitting smoking can add to your life. There was also a headline somewhere about some Koreans gaming online ... they just keep playing and playing until they literally die in front of their computers, I guess.
So maybe we should all try to limit the time we play. I have played for 18 hours a day on numerous occasions, and I know it's bad for me. I nod off too, anywhere from a second on up to much longer periods of time. Frankly, I'm addicted, and to Eve in particular. It's funny, but it's not funny, if you know what I mean.
(I used to be in good shape, I've run the Boston marathon 3 times, but over the years I've been playing this game I've gradually become less and less fit. Obviously it's my fault. No fate but what we make, as Sarah Connor said.) You need to get back to using the monitor-on-the-treadmill routine that you used 3 years ago when you were transporting minerals for my freighter from minmitar to caldari space. What folly, but healthy nevertheless :) |
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ManiakMogg
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:39:00 -
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Dont you have better things to fix sreegs?
Also you should ban datacore farmers and guys using PI.
IT IS PASSIVE INCOME, HERETICS! HERETICS!
god... |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1031
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:34:00 -
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ManiakMogg wrote:Dont you have better things to fix sreegs?
Also you should ban datacore farmers and guys using PI.
IT IS PASSIVE INCOME, HERETICS! HERETICS!
god...
It is passive income balanced and intended to be passive - very different from income intended to be actively pursued.
But thank you for contributing the same uninformed drivel we've seen in this thread for dozens of pages now.
Here's your sign... |
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:03:00 -
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ManiakMogg wrote:Dont you have better things to fix sreegs?
Also you should ban datacore farmers and guys using PI.
IT IS PASSIVE INCOME, HERETICS! HERETICS!
god...
Please biomass your main |
ManiakMogg
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:49:00 -
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Oh god, im lazy to fight stupidity again. EDIT : and so i wont, stay in your ****. |
Eleanor of Aquitaine
Mysterious Island 0001
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 19:52:00 -
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I can feel the hate in this thread. On all sides.
Do you see what happens when an employee interacts badly with customers? *********************************************** The customer is king.-á Long live the king! |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1032
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Posted - 2012.08.13 19:58:00 -
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Eleanor of Aquitaine wrote:I can feel the hate in this thread. On all sides.
Do you see what happens when an employee interacts badly with customers?
You can please some of the people some of the time, and all of the people none of the time.
However, teasing the silly people is fun all of the time.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Zapson
The Companionship Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.08.13 21:15:00 -
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For those stating people as cowards, because they see a potential thread in AFK cloakers.
They are called AFK cloakers because most of the time they are AFK, which does not imply that they are not any thread, because any moment they could come back and catch you. |
Templar Knightsbane
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 23:10:00 -
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Sad thread to read through tbh |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.08.14 01:41:00 -
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First of all, people need to read this.
CCP Sreegs wrote:Dregol wrote:
If you'd take the time to read this thread, you'd realize that there was a broken complex whereby people could AFK and have drones kill respawns 23/7. This is /not/ working as intended. AFKing through something that isn't respawning (regular complexes) is fine. What CCP is addressing is a mechanic whereby you can do nothing for hours on end and continue to make isk.
My point from earlier still stands: isk should not be as easy to make as it is in high sec. I'm glad CCP is actively fixing bugs/broken mechanics, but there are mechanics far more broken than this.
I'm merely going to quote this. It's not going to please everyone and certainly not going to please those who were making isk while going about their lives doing things other than playing EVE actively but at the end of the day we're only referring to situations in THIS PARTICULAR CASE where you could in theory generate isk 24 hours a day without ever touching your computer. This does not apply to every situation you might perhaps maybe possibly use sentry drones in and nobody's going to ban your accounts because you went to get a cup of coffee. There were however cases where this was being abused and so we're stating publically that abusing it is wrong and from this point forward the automated systems will handle it. Protip for the future: if your computer is logged in 24 (or way more than a person can) hours a day making money in a way that is meant to be active and you're not in front of it you're probably doing something wrong
With that done, please ensure that any question you ask is relevant to THIS particular issue. CCP Sreegs has made it quite clear that his news story ONLY affects one particular form of AFK'ing and which one is mentioned quite clearly in the post he chose to quote.
Feel free to ask your questions, but remember that these forums operate with certain rules which can be found here, please make sure that when you post, you post following these rules.
I have cleaned this thread of as many off topic, trolling and personal attack posts as I can without completely destroying the thread; however if this behaviour continues I will lock it. While it is clear that many people are upset over this subject, please remember to post responsibly so that a proper discussion can take place and we can have a set of forums that we can all be proud of. Thank you for taking the time to read this, it is appreciated - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Fyrr Deerdan
Envoy Corps Holdings
1
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Posted - 2012.08.14 02:22:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:
Clearly the news item wasn't clear enough about that so I've had it edited.
And thanks for clarifying. The original news piece was worrying, but the addendum was downright hilarious
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Acteon Hunt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:11:00 -
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Sreegs, the only issue here is really the haziness of the article, even after the edits. Obviously, you know what you were trying to say, so it reads perfectly clear to you, but for everyone else, there's too little detail, and all it comes across as is "AFK PVE is now bannable," even though that wasn't even close to the intent.
Trust me, over explaining is better than being ambiguous. Fill that sucker up with detail and let us know exactly what is and isn't a bannable offense. Give us the exact scenario, the respawning COSMOS missions, that is considered an exploit so that we know you aren't just ban hammering everyon who goes to do their laundry without logging.
Ex: "There is a specific set of static complexes, such as the COSMOS plexes, that will constantly respawn rats. AFK farming these for days on end is considered an exploit, and is, from this point on, a bannable offense. This does not effect regular gameplay."
And while you probably don't want to listen to advice from some random noob on the web, don't get defensive on the forums. It corrodes your image as a dev. If there's anything that could be percieved as argumentative in your post people will assume you're getting all huffy, even when you aren't.
Again, you're probably thinking "Who the hell is this nub to give me advice on being a dev?" You're entitely to think that, I am some random nub, but crystal clarity and some congeniality can prevent pretty much every forum fire.
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Antigena
Opportunity Cost
0
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:23:00 -
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not that i'm anyone special, but IMHO, if their solution is to ban then discuss (ie, the player protests and wants their account back, etc), there's a problem. and any "automated" system for banning strikes exactly that worry into the mind of the reader, because such systems cannot have intuition.
if their solution is to try to reason with you and then ban you if you're being a serious problem even though they gave you plenty of chances, then it's fine. but that's far more than what any automated system is capable of. if the "automated" system just flags your account for investigation then fine.
Most dev's i've seen elsewhere in the world dont want to give exact details of the exploit they dont want people to do because then they're just advertising it with instructions for everyone to go do and that's counter productive to their goals.
eventually any company has to realize that the flaws in THEIR product are THEIR responsibility to fix, not the players, or go out of business if fate would so have it.
if they handle this badly, then they will reap the rewards for doing so, otherwise, no problem.
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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:45:00 -
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This is clearly an exploit of the game mechanics, all the people who where doing it are now crying about it. Go mining or something. |
Rada Ionesco
Club a Seal
6
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Posted - 2012.08.14 08:35:00 -
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This has been going on forever and I don't see how this is an enforceable issue, or even why CCP thinks it is a problem. Is there some time limit that people have where they can safely be AFK? LOL. I am so glad I am cancelling my third account in a couple days, once again they are focusing on the unimportant and not on the important problems in this game, as usual. Cheers CCP, have fun not fixing your game, again, and again... |
ManiakMogg
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:54:00 -
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ISD TYPE40 wrote:With that done, please ensure that any question you ask is relevant to THIS particular issue. CCP Sreegs has made it quite clear that his news story ONLY affects one particular form of AFK'ing and which one is mentioned quite clearly in the post he chose to quote. Feel free to ask your questions, but remember that these forums operate with certain rules which can be found here, please make sure that when you post, you post following these rules. I have cleaned this thread of as many off topic, trolling and personal attack posts as I can without completely destroying the thread; however if this behaviour continues I will lock it. While it is clear that many people are upset over this subject, please remember to post responsibly so that a proper discussion can take place and we can have a set of forums that we can all be proud of. Thank you for taking the time to read this, it is appreciated - ISD Type40. So just fix this buggy plexes, and all its done, i mean there is no need to make news that sounds like everyone using drones is guilty of bug using... Its not to people to make the difference between bug using/game mechanics but to CCP, and in this particular case it seems particularly clear that its CCP mistake to create plexs allowing this sort of use. There is no reason to blame people as its already a game mechanic to afk farm level 4 doing that. So why should it be bugusing using it in perma pop plexes? (I dont even know what plex you're talking about, but anyway...)
PS : I never done any afk farming with drones, i just felt angry when seeing this news which sounds like pointless. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1035
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:10:00 -
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ManiakMogg wrote:So just fix this buggy plexes, and all its done, i mean there is no need to make news that sounds like everyone using drones is guilty of bug using... Its not to people to make the difference between bug using/game mechanics but to CCP, and in this particular case it seems particularly clear that its CCP mistake to create plexs allowing this sort of use. There is no reason to blame people as its already a game mechanic to afk farm level 4 doing that. So why should it be bugusing using it in perma pop plexes? (I dont even know what plex you're talking about, but anyway...)
PS : I never done any afk farming with drones, i just felt angry when seeing this news which sounds like pointless.
They are fixing them, but you didn't read clearly, did you?
They also didn't make it sound like everyone using drones is exploiting, but you didn't read clearly did you?
You're correct though about one thing, it *is* up to CCP to make it clear what is a bug/exploit and what is not. And that is precisely what this news item was for.
PS : Feeling angry over something you can't understand is a silly reaction. Next time try to understand the issue before getting all emotionally involved.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
ManiakMogg
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:58:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:ManiakMogg wrote:So just fix this buggy plexes, and all its done, i mean there is no need to make news that sounds like everyone using drones is guilty of bug using... Its not to people to make the difference between bug using/game mechanics but to CCP, and in this particular case it seems particularly clear that its CCP mistake to create plexs allowing this sort of use. There is no reason to blame people as its already a game mechanic to afk farm level 4 doing that. So why should it be bugusing using it in perma pop plexes? (I dont even know what plex you're talking about, but anyway...)
PS : I never done any afk farming with drones, i just felt angry when seeing this news which sounds like pointless. They are fixing them, but you didn't read clearly, did you? They also didn't make it sound like everyone using drones is exploiting, but you didn't read clearly did you? You're correct though about one thing, it *is* up to CCP to make it clear what is a bug/exploit and what is not. And that is precisely what this news item was for. PS : Feeling angry over something you can't understand is a silly reaction. Next time try to understand the issue before getting all emotionally involved. Its not about the content, its about the form. Btw, what dont you understand in "sounds like"? What a waste of time.
EDIT : Just a line in a patchnote would have been enough "We fixed the plexs allowing afk farming." Flaming sreegs is not required. I think he is just good @ pressing button to make ships blow up in AT. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1039
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Posted - 2012.08.14 13:06:00 -
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ManiakMogg wrote:Btw, what dont you understand in "sounds like"?
I understand that when you read this out loud to yourself....
The News Thingy wrote: It has come to our attention recently that there are pilots in New Eden engaging in AFK Complex farming. Specific examples of this include such activities as warping into a particular room in a complex, dropping sentry drones, then going to do your laundry or perhaps watch a 24 hour Lazytown marathon. While this activity does not necessitate the use of a 3rd party program in order to carry it out you ARE generating income in an automated fashion while sleeping which is not being present playing the game.
...that it 'sounds like' you heard...
Make Believe Land wrote: It has come to our attention that people play the game AFK. We are banning AFK activities instead of fixing them. Also, we hate AFK drone users. Quick, run to the forums now and complain because anything beyond the first two lines of text is too hard to read and comprehend, and you're probably very angry anyway and need to tell us all about it. Please try to include all possible forms of AFK activity in your bad analogies because that is exactly what we were talking about.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
ManiakMogg
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.08.14 13:24:00 -
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ManiakMogg wrote:Its not about the content, its about the form.
ManiakMogg wrote:Just a line in a patchnote would have been enough "We fixed the plexs allowing afk farming." And yes, i should work the form too. I said what i had to say. Now im bored, see ya. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1039
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Posted - 2012.08.14 13:42:00 -
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ManiakMogg wrote:ManiakMogg wrote:Its not about the content, its about the form. ManiakMogg wrote:Just a line in a patchnote would have been enough "We fixed the plexs allowing afk farming." And yes, i should work the form too. I said what i had to say. Now im bored, see ya.
I take it you missed this quote from the news item too then, since they hid it near the end after most people gave up on the whole reading thing:
The News Item wrote: Game Design will also be looking at changing our complex systems so that this is no longer possible in the near future.
If you don't bother to read all the content, how is a different form going to fix anything?
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
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