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Kragrulla Cheub
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.08.12 14:28:00 -
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http://soundcloud.com/dariush_still_records_you/soco-cta-12-08
"our logi won't let you die" ... "they are not rooks to insta pop you" .. "i'm dead ... " "lots of guys in low armor" ... "overload reps ... i'm down" "switch to tengu / scimitars ... test you gonna get ******" "we can't kill them, they can't kill us"... but we should dock up "scimi's are the only things they can kill ... did fleet stand down ?" "we can't break their tanks" |
Trick Novalight
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2012.08.12 14:58:00 -
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Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:Trick Novalight wrote: Remember the Time Zone difference. I'm not saying is an excuse or anything of that nature, but prime Euro can be 8 hours ahead of US, so when you're all on, people are at work, waking up etc. and when its our prime, you guys have to alarm clock to actually fight.
The SoCo is more of a hybrid mix than you think. I thank you for being Civil on this matter as well. En Garde is made up of mostly American and Canadian Pilots, with Red Alliance and Overlord being mostly European / Eastern European. -A- is in the middle leaning Russian. This gives the SoCo to be able to field fleets during all hours, rather than bring an ass load of pilots for a set amount of time. This gives SoCo the advantage of striking repeatedly and constantly, but also hurts numbers.
It's been my understanding that the majority of -A- proper is Euro/Russia TZ, and thus the need for alarm clocking to fight in US TZ. Interesting look at the general overview of -A- alliance.
The question I have to you (if you desire to continue a civil discussion) is, how does -A- feel about their so called membership in "SoCo" and their loss of space? From what I've read, -A- didn't really care about "SoCo" and the mantle of leadership was thrust upon them by the likes of Nulli and crew.
When Test/HBC/CFC took D/Q/PB there wasn't much of a threat from -A- and it was touted that its because -A- was afraid of CFC/Goons, and the proof to this point was when after goons/the majority of the CFC went back up north, -A- started logging in and fighting. I then heard that it was more so because -A- didn't give a **** about D/Q/PB and wasn't willing to dedicate their ships to such an engagement when they knew they'd get blobbed. Again an understandable possition. |
Alexzandvar Douglass
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
76
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Posted - 2012.08.12 19:21:00 -
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Trick Novalight wrote:Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:Trick Novalight wrote: Remember the Time Zone difference. I'm not saying is an excuse or anything of that nature, but prime Euro can be 8 hours ahead of US, so when you're all on, people are at work, waking up etc. and when its our prime, you guys have to alarm clock to actually fight.
The SoCo is more of a hybrid mix than you think. I thank you for being Civil on this matter as well. En Garde is made up of mostly American and Canadian Pilots, with Red Alliance and Overlord being mostly European / Eastern European. -A- is in the middle leaning Russian. This gives the SoCo to be able to field fleets during all hours, rather than bring an ass load of pilots for a set amount of time. This gives SoCo the advantage of striking repeatedly and constantly, but also hurts numbers. It's been my understanding that the majority of -A- proper is Euro/Russia TZ, and thus the need for alarm clocking to fight in US TZ. Interesting look at the general overview of -A- alliance. The question I have to you (if you desire to continue a civil discussion) is, how does -A- feel about their so called membership in "SoCo" and their loss of space? From what I've read, -A- didn't really care about "SoCo" and the mantle of leadership was thrust upon them by the likes of Nulli and crew. When Test/HBC/CFC took D/Q/PB there wasn't much of a threat from -A- and it was touted that its because -A- was afraid of CFC/Goons, and the proof to this point was when after goons/the majority of the CFC went back up north, -A- started logging in and fighting. I then heard that it was more so because -A- didn't give a **** about D/Q/PB and wasn't willing to dedicate their ships to such an engagement when they knew they'd get blobbed. Again an understandable possition.
First lets take a look at the CFC, a large Coalition that's members are separate Alliances with there own Space and Borders. Such as Razor Bordering Goonswarm and FA Bordering Executive Outcomes and Goonswarm.
In the Southern Coalition, things are very intertwined space wise, En Garde's space exists surrounded by Triple A space and En Garde pilots frequently interact and do things with -A- pilots. Red Alliance lives in Overlord and -A- Space as well. Overlord borders -A-. Your much more likely to find SoCo pilots working together and talking more often than say in the CFC as they all stick to their own space.
En Garde can rat in -A- space normally, and mine if they ask. With the same going for -A- to En Garde. Red Alliance and Overlord Pilots often stick together as well as Iv seen it.
This close proximity and sharing of space makes form ups very quick and easy. However SoCo is not nearly as big or controls as much space together as the HBC and CFC do.
So far for me Iv not had any problems with SoCo leadership, not to mention during the whole Delve conflict almost no one trusted Nulli, with most pilots there to simply fight CFC and HBC and defend Red Alliance.
Nulli also jumped ship far before the war was over, helping rob SoCo of numbers. And at that point with CFC and HBC knocking on Catches door, leadership decided defending the home space was more important than fighting for an Alliance that couldn't give a crap about holding sov. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4307
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:55:00 -
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Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:defend Red Alliance.
That worked out very well, seeing as RA still hold their d/q/pb space "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
412
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Posted - 2012.08.13 03:34:00 -
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En Garde is literally so low on the pet totem pole it's not worth the fuel cost to try and take any systems they might actually have. |
Alexzandvar Douglass
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:45:00 -
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Aryndel Vyst wrote:En Garde is literally so low on the pet totem pole it's not worth the fuel cost to try and take any systems they might actually have.
Look, another Goon grunt who has no bloody Idea what there talking about.
En Garde exists in -A- space, close to the front line, if you want to get into the heart of catch, you have to go through us.
But naw, looking at a sov map for 10 seconds is to much of a waste of time for such mighty people who are always so busy |
NearNihil
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:09:00 -
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Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:First lets take a look at the CFC, a large Coalition that's members are separate Alliances with there own Space and Borders. Such as Razor Bordering Goonswarm and FA Bordering Executive Outcomes and Goonswarm.
In the Southern Coalition, things are very intertwined space wise, En Garde's space exists surrounded by Triple A space and En Garde pilots frequently interact and do things with -A- pilots. Red Alliance lives in Overlord and -A- Space as well. Overlord borders -A-. Your much more likely to find SoCo pilots working together and talking more often than say in the CFC as they all stick to their own space. Now, I can't comment on SoCo's cooperation. However, the CFC and HBC (mind you, TEST has left the CFC recently but is still blue to a number of CFC members) has had, in my experience, no problem at all forming mixed fleets. Nor is it a problem to have blues rat in systems owned by other alliances. I've seen ratters from pretty much all blue entities in the systems I rat in. Roaming fleets also have a fair mix of dudes, so I'll disagree with your point of the CFC not working together much, if at all. |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
412
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:57:00 -
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Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:Aryndel Vyst wrote:En Garde is literally so low on the pet totem pole it's not worth the fuel cost to try and take any systems they might actually have. Look, another Goon grunt who has no bloody Idea what there talking about. En Garde exists in -A- space, close to the front line, if you want to get into the heart of catch, you have to go through us. But naw, looking at a sov map for 10 seconds is to much of a waste of time for such mighty people who are always so busy
I always get a good chuckle when some pet pubbie calls me a grunt. |
Selpy
THORN Syndicate THORN Alliance
52
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:21:00 -
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Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:Aryndel Vyst wrote:En Garde is literally so low on the pet totem pole it's not worth the fuel cost to try and take any systems they might actually have. Look, another Goon grunt who has no bloody Idea what there talking about.
He's actually quite correct about En Garde being the very bottom of the totem pole. Having spent a short time in En Garde (still trying to wash off that stench) I can readily say that En Garde is the lowest of the low in -A-'s eyes. Both leadership and rank and file -A- members see you as nothing but a bunch of worthless scrubs and would love nothing more than to reset you all. You're wanted by -A- as much as someone wants a piece of gum stuck to the bottom of their shoe.
The only reason you're blue to -A- is because En Garde is TJ's pet project (pun intended) and -A- are so low on actual friends (after screwing and backstabbing pretty much everyone on Eve over the years) that they desperately need the numbers En Garde brings. You're meatshields meant to take the hits for -A-. Why do you think the space they gave you is between -A-'s prime space and the rest of the universe? It's not by chance.
Face the facts that En Garde is a renter / feeder alliance. And yes, you're renters. Yeah, you call them "membership fees" all you want. The fact is that you have to fork out your "membership fee' every month or you'll find yourself kicked from alliance and reset without warning. That's not being a partner or even a pet. That's being a renter.
Have fun living in your delusional state. But then again, it seems that's the status quo in the -A- bloc anyway.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2804
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Posted - 2012.08.13 19:54:00 -
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Andski wrote:Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:defend Red Alliance. That worked out very well, seeing as RA still hold their d/q/pb space it was a p. good trade from my perspective |
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