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kppowell
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Posted - 2010.12.09 03:14:00 -
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I have reached the standing to begin doing IV's and I would love to do them to supplement my income but I would rather not tech up to a battleship just to run IVs, i have already put a lot of learning into cruisers/battlecruisers (minmatar) and I was wondering if there was a similarly priced alternative (so no strategics :( ) that could make it through lvl 4's solo? Keep in mind I fly minmatar, thanks a bunch!
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.09 03:21:00 -
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Pretty much all of them.
Even an assault ship can run a level 4.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.12.09 03:27:00 -
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You could make out ok with a Sleip. An arty cane can do it if you kite properly, but its pretty slow going. I don't think you have many choices if you're Minnie. Sorry.
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Mykal Day
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Posted - 2010.12.09 03:30:00 -
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I've run L4's in a Stabber fleet issue. You just have to be very mindful of webs as they will kill you instantly. Basic shield nano fit does fine as long as you have solid gunnery, shield, and nav skills.
Not really recommending this though as its risky and slow going while you chip away at BS's with your 5x 220mm AC, lol.
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Ahz
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Posted - 2010.12.09 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: kppowell ...i have already put a lot of learning into cruisers/battlecruisers...
If this is the case you can train up for a Drake in, what, a week?
Probably your best bet.
If you're determined to fly Minmatar I know that the Sleipnir can take many level 4s. But it's far from efficient.
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Chuc Morris
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Posted - 2010.12.09 05:42:00 -
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Edited by: Chuc Morris on 09/12/2010 05:42:55 I can hardly imagine clean some world collide, angel/guristas extravaganza or blockade with T1 cruiser or BC even full love fit.
Mabe some drake taking about 10hours could do it
I would love to see that
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.09 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren You could make out ok with a Sleip. An arty cane can do it if you kite properly, but its pretty slow going. I don't think you have many choices if you're Minnie. Sorry.
It rather depends on what you're running against. The Sleip can be made useful aginst most things, but it absolutely murders Sansha almost out of the box. The Munin does the same, but to a lesser degree (mainly because it lacks some of the versatility of hte Sleip).
Any projectile ship can also do nasty things to Angels since many of the fancier ammo options will have a sizeable explosive component, but beyond the standard resists for shield tanks, Minny ships aren't all that good at tanking explosive damage themselves. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.12.09 06:19:00 -
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Edited by: Headerman on 09/12/2010 06:19:11 Just bite the bullet and skill up Minmatar BS to 3, then large projectiles to 3 or 4 and go.
The end result will be more isk coming in due to you doing L4's alot faster
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rainbowbottem gard
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Posted - 2010.12.09 07:38:00 -
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um if you go to battleclinic they have some hurricane fits that say they can handle lvl 4s
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Captain Nares
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Posted - 2010.12.09 07:44:00 -
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BC, CS, SC are usual on lvl 4's.
Also Cruiser, AF, HAC may be used for lvl 4's too.
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Sessym
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.12.09 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Headerman Edited by: Headerman on 09/12/2010 06:19:11 Just bite the bullet and skill up Minmatar BS to 3, then large projectiles to 3 or 4 and go.
The end result will be more isk coming in due to you doing L4's alot faster
If it is about ISK/H, then yeah, a maelstrom will do the job. Or a sleipnir if you're feeling fancy.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2010.12.09 10:40:00 -
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Honestly, I couldn't suggest a could sub-BC ship for running L4s in the Minmatar lineup. For that matter outside of the Ishtar, Deimos (for some missions like Gone Berserk L4), and the Curse there really aren't many sub-BC ships worth recommending period. All of the t(ier)2 BCs can handle L4s eventually but the hurricane and harbinger tend to need more work for comparable performance to the drake and myrmidon.
As for the 10 hour drake comment, drakes aren't that bad if you use a good setup.
TBH, any ship that can field 5 light drones and mandle the damage the mission deals out could eventually complete 90% of the L4 missions in the game. Hell, even a worm could probably manage it.
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Noemi Nagano
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Posted - 2010.12.09 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Chuc Morris Edited by: Chuc Morris on 09/12/2010 06:01:14 I can hardly imagine clean some world collide, angel/guristas extravaganza or blockade with T1 cruiser or BC even full love fit. (solo oc)
Mabe some drake taking about 10hours could do it
I would love to see that
I have done some l5s solo (and yes, I mean solo, not dual acc or something) in a Drake, for example the 2 Angel missions Wrath and Fate each in around 1.5 hours. For WC a Drake is not bad at all due to its ok Gurista and Serpentis tank and kinetic damage bonus. Not saying you wont be faster in a CNR, NH, Golem or Tengu. But its far better than you might think :)
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.12.09 11:14:00 -
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I spent a while doing L4s in a Drake. Works just fine. All of them. Fairly slow on some missions mind, but it _can_ do them.
Nighthawks are better though. Daresay other command ships would do fine, too.
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Hybok
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Posted - 2010.12.09 11:21:00 -
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since you said you have low SP , i doubt you have the support skills to make L4 in sub BS ships worth the time , so imo just train BS 3 :)
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Jose Black
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Posted - 2010.12.09 11:26:00 -
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A properly trained drake will be faster at it than a halfway skilled BS. Also less risk of losing it.
Though I haven't tried myself, I hear from people doing it that a Sleipnir does very well.
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.09 11:32:00 -
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Done L4 missions in an Ishtar (HAC) and it's as fast (at killing) as a battleship (Dominix). I'm not familiar with Minmatar ships, but fire up EFT and try to fit a few; all you need is 500+ DPS and 450+ m/s speed, and maybe 50-60% omni-resists. The speed and sig radius of a cruiser hull will pretty much let you aggro the ENTIRE room (I've done extravaganza and worlds collide) and just not take any damage from battleships and very little damage from cruisers, and all you have to worry about is frigates, which you have to kill first, and fast (you're in trouble if they webify you).
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2010.12.09 12:04:00 -
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Very easy to do level 4's in a NightHawk.
Dps is a little low but you can tank everything and anything.
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Deerin
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Posted - 2010.12.09 12:21:00 -
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I did my l4's in a cyclone for a long time. Use 1dc 2 gyro 1 cpu lows, xl sb2 2xinvfield2 med cap booster and afterburner meds. AC's and rocket launchers(tight on cpu) on highs and good t2 drones. Get EM resist rig and two core defense cap safeguards.
Served me well up to today. Haven't ever lost it and I've managed to get me a LG crystal set with its help and now everything is running much more smoothly :) |
Joss56
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Posted - 2010.12.09 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Noemi NaganoI have done some l5s solo (and yes, I mean solo, not dual acc or something) in a Drake, for example the 2 Angel missions Wrath and Fate each in around 1.5 hours. For WC a Drake is not bad at all due to its ok Gurista and Serpentis tank and kinetic damage bonus. Not saying you wont be faster in a CNR, NH, Golem or Tengu. But its far better than you might think :)[/quote
To tell you the truth the ship I've missioned + than my Mega is the brutix and it's an hard good dps beast but i certainly didn't had the necessary skills to take it to lvl4. If a lot of you guys made it then the problem doesn't come from the ship/type but the pilot
Anyway i cant imagine right now doing my missions in anything else than my mega navy, it's a very good ship even if i would like a navy version of Hyperion, this could make me take the risk with my love-boat to jump in low for some lvl5
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Offduty Guard
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:29:00 -
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Try doing them in a Stealth Bomber if your bored, it adds a bit of fun, and a challenge. Don't do it for isk/hour but for fun/missile.
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Jack Atarius
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Chuc Morris Edited by: Chuc Morris on 09/12/2010 06:01:14 I can hardly imagine clean some world collide, angel/guristas extravaganza or blockade with T1 cruiser or BC even full love fit. (solo oc)
Mabe some drake taking about 10hours could do it
I would love to see that
I don't know how fast an extravaganza should take, but with my Drake it takes about an hour total from start to finishing salvage (faster salvage now with the Noctis). So, it can be done. ------------ Our ambition should be to rule ourselves ~ Oscar Wilde
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Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle Nostradamus Effect
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:04:00 -
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My suggestion would be to keep running level 3s until you can fit a Battleship properly. People are always trying to rush. Take your time and get to know your ships.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Shereza Honestly, I couldn't suggest a could sub-BC ship for running L4s in the Minmatar lineup. For that matter outside of the Ishtar, Deimos (for some missions like Gone Berserk L4), and the Curse there really aren't many sub-BC ships worth recommending period. All of the t(ier)2 BCs can handle L4s eventually but the hurricane and harbinger tend to need more work for comparable performance to the drake and myrmidon.
Hmmà Curse, eh? I'll have to try that at some point. Since it's not a laser ship, I suppose it could get out from under that damage-type/resist mismatch (or just abysmally low DPS) that the other T2 Amarr ships suffer from.
The sub-BS ships I've used with some measure of success in L4s are: all T3s except Legion, all tier-2 BCs (obviously, a special mention goes to the Drake, as long as you don't passive-tank it), all Field CS except the Absolution, Ishtar, Diemost, Rook, Gila, Muninn, aaandà possibly the Cerb as well, but I don't really like it. I seem to recall having EFTed a reasonable Huginn as well, but I've never actually tried it.
I can't say how effective any of these are compared to battleships, though, since I refuse to fly those slow and cumbersome bastards! ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Shereza
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Posted - 2010.12.11 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Hmmà Curse, eh? I'll have to try that at some point. Since it's not a laser ship, I suppose it could get out from under that damage-type/resist mismatch (or just abysmally low DPS) that the other T2 Amarr ships suffer from.
Honestly, if you want to avoid "abysmally low" DPS the curse may not be your cup of tea. The one build I've got laying around in EFT from when I was fooling around with mission ships on the test server only shows about 420 DPS. It's much better than some of the builds I've tossed together, especially with ships like the drake and railgun-based designs, but it's still kinda down there, especially given that that's with HAM launchers.
It's fast and once it gets in good orbit range on battleships it's more or less invulnerable to them, but you do have to be careful and mounting a vampire, which actually does yield some benefit, is fairly important. It's more of a "for fun" ship than a serious runner, however. Still, it was significantly better at Serpentis Blockade L4 than the absolution was. Gods, even the Damnation was better than that flying piece of junk.
Originally by: Tippia The sub-BS ships I've used with some measure of success in L4s are: all T3s except Legion, all tier-2 BCs (obviously, a special mention goes to the Drake, as long as you don't passive-tank it), all Field CS except the Absolution, Ishtar, Diemost, Rook, Gila, Muninn, aaandà possibly the Cerb as well, but I don't really like it. I seem to recall having EFTed a reasonable Huginn as well, but I've never actually tried it.
Yeah, I forgot the T3s and the new gila. The muninn and rook surprise me though, especially the muninn.
Originally by: Tippia I can't say how effective any of these are compared to battleships, though, since I refuse to fly those slow and cumbersome bastards!
The nighthawk and tengu might be as effective as most of the battleships out there while the ishtar and gila, and probably the proteus, might be as effective as half or more of them, but I don't think the rest of the ships would rank that well against battleships flown and fitted by relatively skilled pilots. Just my opinion based on EFT, a bit of experience, and comparison/contrast to other ships.
Frankly, the battleship is my preferred method of blowing stuff up in missions. I tend to just like brute force solutions most of the time.
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max rift
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Posted - 2010.12.11 10:33:00 -
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Personally sub BS ship for level 4s for minmitar i think the only reasonable choice for isk per hour, speed and enough tank to slug it out in the harder missions is either the sleipnir or even better the Loki, I know you said no strategics but it is seriously worth a look at and the prices have come down to a fairly affordable price, and the skill train for them is friendly. Max
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.12.11 11:02:00 -
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I fly l4 in a cynabal with arties, though previously with 100MN AB and 425's. It's awesome. ------------------------------------- I like to fly around and shoot stuff.
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