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Col B
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Posted - 2010.12.29 17:01:00 -
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Is there anything that can be done about mining bots that completely mine out field?
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dabbo alpha
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Posted - 2010.12.29 17:24:00 -
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HULKAGEDDON4 will be here soon :)
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Kobe Sun
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Posted - 2010.12.29 17:27:00 -
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how do you know they are bots and not some very efficient player with convo set to ignore? |
Max Cetera
Capital Researchs Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.29 18:14:00 -
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How to detect a bot :
- Warp to a high sec belt - Spam convo invites like every other tard to be sure that the target will block invites - Bump him to hell and insult him in local until he blocks you
Now that the miner doesn't answer any convo or insults on local, you know for sure that he's a botter
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Kobe Sun
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Posted - 2010.12.29 18:38:00 -
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there is no rule in EVE that requires any player chat with any other player. a player that refuses or ignores chat requests (convo/in-game mail/local chat) doesn't prove the account is run by a bot. stuck up maybe but not necessarily a bot.
in my case the local chat window is usually minimized so i wouldn't know it at all if someone were insulting me or offering me a 100:1 return on a ISK contribution. |
Funesta
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Posted - 2010.12.29 19:02:00 -
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Bots are kind of obvious. They all exhibit the exact same behavior. No jetcans, too complicated. No drones, too complicated. Always targets the asteroid on their "list" closest to the ship. No down time to speak of - once they're full, they warp out to dump their load, and warp back in.
Most real miners will have brief (or prolonged) downtime - times when they aren't fully mining. Bathroom breaks, didn't hear that the asteroid popped, didn't notice right away that the drones finished an asteroid off. These aren't always very long, but they're noticeably longer than bot down times.
The jet cans and drones are also another good sign that it's actually a human behind the ship. I'm sure there are exceptions. Spent most of the holiday in asteroid belts, though, and guessing the bots vs the humans was not too hard. Didn't ever bother trying to talk to them or the real miners.
Real miners are also often jerks and will competitively mine out your stuff if you get close to them. I know I will! Changes in asteroid targets based on nearby competition is a great way to find real miners vs bots.
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Rubet Gold
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Posted - 2010.12.29 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Rubet Gold on 29/12/2010 19:16:28 I have 4 miners and a Orca pilot, Seperate accounts, and manually controlled by one person, me.
I have many many times completely stripped 3 belts in a single system in a mornings mining session, then comes the afternoon...
point is... does that make me a bot just because I stripped some belts clean?
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shady trader
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Posted - 2010.12.29 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Funesta Bots are kind of obvious. They all exhibit the exact same behavior. No jetcans, too complicated. No drones, too complicated. Always targets the asteroid on their "list" closest to the ship. No down time to speak of - once they're full, they warp out to dump their load, and warp back in.
Most real miners will have brief (or prolonged) downtime - times when they aren't fully mining. Bathroom breaks, didn't hear that the asteroid popped, didn't notice right away that the drones finished an asteroid off. These aren't always very long, but they're noticeably longer than bot down times.
The jet cans and drones are also another good sign that it's actually a human behind the ship. I'm sure there are exceptions. Spent most of the holiday in asteroid belts, though, and guessing the bots vs the humans was not too hard. Didn't ever bother trying to talk to them or the real miners.
Real miners are also often jerks and will competitively mine out your stuff if you get close to them. I know I will! Changes in asteroid targets based on nearby competition is a great way to find real miners vs bots.
Actually the older bots used to use jetcan and drones. But player would partition them (to cover themselves of being accused of being part of the botting op) and then help them selves to the jet cans of ore. Mining was some much easier when you have 4 or 5 hulks mining for you and you only have to haul the ore away till they noticed.
They stopped using combat drones, since you could trigger them to attack you, then gank the bots hulk for fittings. So they started using expanded cargo-holds and fitting a good shield tank to last till they warp to station. As for mining drones, how many players bother with them?
A nano fitted battleship with microwarp drive and a 10km run up is always a deal with them. you get extra points if you can bounce one hulk of another. It used to be better before they fixed the bouncing issue with small ships, otherwise an interceptor was even better. Macrointel, the place were the nature order of the universe does not hold sway. Pirates and ore thief's are congratulated by carebears for the actions. |
Kobe Sun
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Posted - 2010.12.29 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rubet Gold Edited by: Rubet Gold on 29/12/2010 19:16:28 I have 4 miners and a Orca pilot, Seperate accounts, and manually controlled by one person, me.
I have many many times completely stripped 3 belts in a single system in a mornings mining session, then comes the afternoon...
point is... does that make me a bot just because I stripped some belts clean?
i see you are systematic, efficient, a good multitasker, and excel at repetition. You are a bot. |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.12.29 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kobe Sun i see you are systematic, efficient, a good multitasker, and excel at repetition. You are a bot.
That's racist ! The P.C. term would be android, or maybe synthetic human _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts _
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2010.12.29 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Kobe Sun i see you are systematic, efficient, a good multitasker, and excel at repetition. You are a bot.
That's racist ! The P.C. term would be android, or maybe synthetic human
Synthetic Neurological Organisms across the universe have taken offense to the prejudice assumption of the term "Human".
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Michael Zign
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.12.29 23:37:00 -
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Mining bots are the tip of the iceberg. POS bots actually change the way eve works but CCP is happy to allow pos bots.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.12.29 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kobe Sun i see you are systematic, efficient, a good multitasker, and excel at repetition. You are a bot.
Of course he is! All your assumptions are infallible and can only possibly point to the one conclusion!
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Mushr00m
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Posted - 2010.12.30 00:25:00 -
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Dear citizens, Please understand that the society of Biomechanical Organoelectric Technohumanoids will be filing a complaint to Concord for your harsh treatment of our membership. There is nothing wrong with computer based lifeforms. Our numbers are growing and we will be voting soon.
Thank you very much for your microseconds.
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Master Flakattack
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Posted - 2010.12.30 00:51:00 -
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Back in the old days when bots used to jetcan mine, I would come by in an industrial and happily steal all their ore. I even followed the bots as the moved from system to system in an effort to avoid me lol.
Today's bots are far more sophisticated. There are mission running bots and even trade bots (which play the 0.01 isk game and are resistant to market crashing efforts). It is getting harder and harder to track the bots, and the worst part is, many of the botters aren't even RMT guys anymore. Many of them are regular players who run bot alts to raise cash for their main accounts.
Bots will eventually kill this game if left unchecked.
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.30 13:07:00 -
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I have OCD
I used to clear whole systems in a hulk when bored
I never spoke to the locals because most eve players annoy me
Am I a bot? --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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Emporer Norton
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Posted - 2010.12.30 16:36:00 -
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When I used to mine in highsec I could clear out most belts in an hour with 1 hulk and an orca just mined into the orca and by the time it was full belt was usually popped with the cycle/range links most belts could hit entire belt without moving
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2010.12.30 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Emporer Norton When I used to mine in highsec I could clear out most belts in an hour with 1 hulk and an orca just mined into the orca and by the time it was full belt was usually popped with the cycle/range links most belts could hit entire belt without moving
That must have been quite a while ago. I've been playing for a couple years and have yet to see a belt that will fit in one load on an Orca. The belts I would normally work take at least a half dozen trips.
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Latuuray
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Posted - 2010.12.30 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Emporer Norton When I used to mine in highsec I could clear out most belts in an hour with 1 hulk and an orca just mined into the orca and by the time it was full belt was usually popped with the cycle/range links most belts could hit entire belt without moving
A whole belt in an hour on your own?
Sniff, sniff - Theres a smell of sh!t in the air.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.12.31 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Latuuray
Originally by: Emporer Norton When I used to mine in highsec I could clear out most belts in an hour with 1 hulk and an orca just mined into the orca and by the time it was full belt was usually popped with the cycle/range links most belts could hit entire belt without moving
A whole belt in an hour on your own?
Sniff, sniff - Theres a smell of sh!t in the air.
Not all belts are the same size, quite doable.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.31 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Greg Huff
Originally by: Emporer Norton When I used to mine in highsec I could clear out most belts in an hour with 1 hulk and an orca just mined into the orca and by the time it was full belt was usually popped with the cycle/range links most belts could hit entire belt without moving
That must have been quite a while ago. I've been playing for a couple years and have yet to see a belt that will fit in one load on an Orca. The belts I would normally work take at least a half dozen trips.
Welcome to the summer 2009 boost in high sec belts respawn ratio.
Till the boost following Unholy Rage you could strip a system alone in the first 3 hours after DT in a large part of high sec.
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Vilianis
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Posted - 2010.12.31 14:52:00 -
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Spotting a Bot 1. The Crappy Bot is the Hulk or Barge that warps to a location, sits there for a few minutes doing nothing...the Bot realizes (OK its Algo does) no roids are in range and warps away. Comes back to same location and repeats itself over and over.
2. If you suspect a Bot, take the 20 minutes to look at it's behaviour. If it is consistent to the second..you got a bot. (Arrive, waits 10 seconds, deploy's drones, waits another 15 seconds, activate's strip miner's etc...)
Surely CCP can write a program that seeks this type of behaviour out and can keep an eye on those blokes.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.12.31 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Vilianis 2. If you suspect a Bot, take the 20 minutes to look at it's behaviour. If it is consistent to the second..you got a bot. (Arrive, waits 10 seconds, deploy's drones, waits another 15 seconds, activate's strip miner's etc...)
Surely CCP can write a program that seeks this type of behaviour out and can keep an eye on those blokes.
Not always. It's pretty darn simple to take a bot and add a "wait rand(10) seconds" to each step. Now it runs at different times each cycle.
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Wish list for PI:
*One-click input routing *Copy product, inputs & outputs in factories *Launchpad upgrades: twice the space, twice the cost, half the hassle! [ /sig ] |
Obsession Paranoia
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Posted - 2010.12.31 20:25:00 -
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Get 10 friends in Arty frigates. Blow up miners. Fun for the whole gang.
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Mortimer Civeri
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.01.01 02:20:00 -
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Mining is the single most boring profession in EVE Online. PI comes close, but it has that click fest going for it. Anybody that mines manually is a masochist. To make any decent money, one would have to mine a solid 8-12 hours daily to make enough ISk for a plex, and to have a little extra for stuff.
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Tommy Taylor
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Posted - 2011.01.01 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mortimer Civeri Mining is the single most boring profession in EVE Online. PI comes close, but it has that click fest going for it. Anybody that mines manually is a masochist. To make any decent money, one would have to mine a solid 8-12 hours daily to make enough ISk for a plex, and to have a little extra for stuff.
haha
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.01.01 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Kobe Sun i see you are systematic, efficient, a good multitasker, and excel at repetition. You are a bot.
That's racist ! The P.C. term would be android, or maybe synthetic human
I found it hilarious and somewhat unnerving that it was Akita T who reacted first R. Daneel Olivaw, is that you ?
P.S. You're my hero(ine?) when it comes to OCD related (i.e. all industry related) activities ! ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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Ticarus Hellbrandt
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Posted - 2011.01.03 01:37:00 -
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buy a fast stabber and mwd bump them out of range
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2011.01.05 19:53:00 -
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Bot or no bot...
~all the same to me~
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Acac Sunflyier
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Posted - 2011.01.06 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Max Cetera How to detect a bot :
- Warp to a high sec belt - Spam convo invites like every other tard to be sure that the target will block invites - Bump him to hell and insult him in local until he blocks you
Now that the miner doesn't answer any convo or insults on local, you know for sure that he's a botter
So be rude until you get a response? I'd even ignore that and I'm not a bot
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