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Vowyer
Minmatar Federal Mining and Industry
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Posted - 2011.01.24 20:39:00 -
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I've seen other games implement a bot detector that just ask the gamer a question that needs to be answered. Bots will fail at this, and the bot detector only asks randomly one time per session when it detects people fighting mobs or killing NPCs.
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shady trader
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Posted - 2011.01.24 21:24:00 -
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This has been suggested before. you have to remember 2 things
1) Most bots are worked in a group and have an assigned bot herder to keep an eye on them. So they can answer the question, the bot just needs to sound an alarm when it detects a question.
2) depending on the question, you will probably find that the bots can be updated to provide the answer, there because they people behind the bot have produced a database of the question answer combinations Or they programme to Google for text base answers.
given that CCP have to support multiple languages, its going to be fairly easy questions or very eve specific ones, both which can be solved.
The main bots used by the RTM sellers have developers constantly improving them. When CCP make a change the bot developers start work on a counter. When snow balls were first introduced bot barges noticed the damage message (but not that it said 0.0 damage) and attacked you getting them concorded. Then next day hey had been updated to stop this. Macrointel, the place were the nature order of the universe does not hold sway. Pirates and ore thief's are congratulated by carebears for the actions. |
Vowyer
Minmatar Federal Mining and Industry
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Posted - 2011.01.24 21:35:00 -
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1) Most bots work when people are asleep or at work. 2) Bots work with image pattern recognition. They can easily be fooled and there are techniques for this. A simple question as "how much is three units of veldspar plus two" and variations are easily generated and difficult to parse by a bot. The success comes in the form of pattern masking or using symbols instead of words and numbers. Supose the question is "What's this?" and it shows a simple picture of a pyramid. How does a bot know that?
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Corina Jarr
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Posted - 2011.01.24 22:03:00 -
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You have seen the computer that is going up against Jeopardy contestants, right?
That is of course an extreme example, but the best bots can read text and images. And as soon as this new tool is released, the programmers will just have to make it so the bot knows the format of the "question" and it will likely be able to answer it successfully. Especially because they can search Google hundreds of times more efficiently than any human.
Also, I can see many "question box made me die, refund ship" petitions.
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Hekeer
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Posted - 2011.01.24 22:32:00 -
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Mmmm... bots can't read questions. They can be programmed to OCR the words and guess an answer, but that's for the most simple questions. When a bot is able to interpret any question given, then we have a thinking program worth billions or more. Also, a question can be asked many different ways, with verbs, subject and object in different positions. You can program that in a bot, but then it will turn into a natural language AI program. I don't think bot makers are that smart, and if they are, they should be working in more profitable applications.
I know it can be done, and I've also seen how bots work. They are far from advanced, and can be easily defeated. When you put a challenge only humans can solve, then the bots are done.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Hounds of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.01.24 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Vowyer 2) Bots work with image pattern recognition.
Not any more. The latest generation simulates a client connection to the EVE server and does not need the EVE client any more. Previous versions already did not read the screen but directly out of the client's memory. The bots are capable of sending text messages onto your mobile. So even if the server would send a graphic to the client (which is a lot more extra data) will a bot simply send it onto a mobile phone and have the operator identify it and continue. It is simply not possible to win over bots. Even with anti-bot software on your PC, taking full control over your PC, will they only start fooling the anti-bot software. Some people make a pretty good living of the real money trades, and they will not give up their lifestyle as long as there are people willing to pay real money for ISKs. Everything you put into the game to fight them, will only make them fight back, and at the same time drive the real players off.
This is not pessimism, should you be wondering, but the reality. --
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.01.24 23:50:00 -
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world of warcraft's Warden seems to do amazing, i played wow for about a year, and only saw 1 bot, which i added as a friend and was banned after a week.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.01.25 01:16:00 -
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I commented in my thread that it's not possible to outsmart them. What needs to change the the reason they are there.
CCP has cracked down on RMT (one of the biggest reasons they are there). I'm glad for this. They'll never go away, but they have been minimized and the ongoing war for that is in CCP's hands.
another big reason is becuase the mining system is a combination of being to easy to exploit, and to boring for active players....its easy to cheat and hard to be entertained.
Fix mining, and you'll nearly fix botting i think.
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