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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Hounds of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:15:00 -
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My view:
I can only warn people from joining unknown fleets. These fleets are full of players who look only after themselves or, worse, after your misfortune.
Check the map and filter for "ships destroyed in the last hour". It does not need any further explanation after you have seen the map.
Have your own fleets, with people who look out for each other and with logistics support. If you do not have this then try to sell ships, modules, drone and ammo in these systems. Set up buy orders for salvage, and T2 salvage, too.
It is now officially raining carebear wrecks. --
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound It is now officially raining carebear wrecks.
I approve of this isk sink and economy stimulus. ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Burseg Sardaukar on 25/01/2011 15:24:42 Interesting strategy I've been told:
1) Find a scout or vanguard level incursion site (edit: currently being run by carebears) 2) bring 40+ man fleet and crush it 3) No one (more importantly the Carebear fleets) gets paid 4) Lol
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Siona Windweaver
Placeholder Holdings
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Aineko Macx
Originally by: Whitehound It is now officially raining carebear wrecks.
I approve of this isk sink and economy stimulus.
Except its not an isk sink
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Alternate Poster
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Siona Windweaver
Except its not an isk sink
For some of us it is. But well worth it. Haven't had so much fun in ages.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:31:00 -
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Enjoy the fun now but after the fun of today wears off I doubt you will see much activity in incursions. People lost serious hardware on what was supposed to be simple sites. Yes its not supposed to be much gain and more fun wise but its not fun watching an entire fleet going after a single ship with little effect.
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Muul Udonii
Minmatar THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Muul Udonii on 25/01/2011 15:32:02
Originally by: Burseg Sardaukar Edited by: Burseg Sardaukar on 25/01/2011 15:24:42 Interesting strategy I've been told:
1) Find a scout or vanguard level incursion site (edit: currently being run by carebears) 2) bring 40+ man fleet and crush it 3) No one (more importantly the Carebear fleets) gets paid 4) Lol
Blob all sites. Including the supercarrier ones. They still drop the BPC, you just don't earn any LP.
Never used LP and I've been playing for 5 years.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound My view:
I can only warn people from joining unknown fleets. These fleets are full of players who look only after themselves or, worse, after your misfortune.
Check the map and filter for "ships destroyed in the last hour". It does not need any further explanation after you have seen the map.
Have your own fleets, with people who look out for each other and with logistics support. If you do not have this then try to sell ships, modules, drone and ammo in these systems. Set up buy orders for salvage, and T2 salvage, too.
It is now officially raining carebear wrecks.
Wait, what is this good advice and logic you are using? This is the EvE-O forums!.
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Daedalus II
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:37:00 -
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What is really needed is for CCP to do something about the RR aggression mechanic. As long as aggression transfers to the RR ship it is as you say; you can not join an unknown fleet.
The only safe way to play with unknowns is to not use RR on them; the pilot in an RR ship risks his whole ship on the premise the one he's repairing is not a jerk or idiot. Given that 95% of the eve population seems to be jerks or idiots that is a pretty risky gamble.
And without any RR what so ever, any PUG fleet will be DOA. With a better RR aggression mechanic you can still not be sure you're not in a fleet full of players who only look for themselves, but you can at least know that they can't get you concorded any second.
If we see it like this; in how many other MMOs are the healers punished by death for offering to help? Doesn't seem like much of an incentive to cooperation in my eyes.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound My view:
I can only warn people from joining unknown fleets. These fleets are full of players who look only after themselves or, worse, after your misfortune.
Check the map and filter for "ships destroyed in the last hour". It does not need any further explanation after you have seen the map.
Have your own fleets, with people who look out for each other and with logistics support. If you do not have this then try to sell ships, modules, drone and ammo in these systems. Set up buy orders for salvage, and T2 salvage, too.
It is now officially raining carebear wrecks.
Wait, what is this good advice and logic you are using? This is the EvE-O forums!.
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CCP Soundwave
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Daedalus II What is really needed is for CCP to do something about the RR aggression mechanic. As long as aggression transfers to the RR ship it is as you say; you can not join an unknown fleet.
The only safe way to play with unknowns is to not use RR on them; the pilot in an RR ship risks his whole ship on the premise the one he's repairing is not a jerk or idiot. Given that 95% of the eve population seems to be jerks or idiots that is a pretty risky gamble.
And without any RR what so ever, any PUG fleet will be DOA. With a better RR aggression mechanic you can still not be sure you're not in a fleet full of players who only look for themselves, but you can at least know that they can't get you concorded any second.
If we see it like this; in how many other MMOs are the healers punished by death for offering to help? Doesn't seem like much of an incentive to cooperation in my eyes.
We are looking into this issue right now.
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Jack Dant
Minmatar The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave We are looking into this issue right now.
So after the hundred threads on how this would ruin incursions, you are only looking into it after the incursions hit?
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Gavjack Bunk
Gallente Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave We are looking into this issue right now.
CCP PANDER BEARS ARE ON IT.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Cyaxares II on 25/01/2011 15:46:33
Originally by: Alternate Poster
Originally by: Siona Windweaver
Except its not an isk sink
For some of us it is.
I don't think you understand the meaning of "isk sink".
The only part of the incursions that is an ISK sink would be the CONCORD LP store.
Blowing up ships is a mineral sink not an ISK sink.
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bukchoi
Gallente Junkyard Doggs
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Daedalus II What is really needed is for CCP to do something about the RR aggression mechanic. As long as aggression transfers to the RR ship it is as you say; you can not join an unknown fleet.
The only safe way to play with unknowns is to not use RR on them; the pilot in an RR ship risks his whole ship on the premise the one he's repairing is not a jerk or idiot. Given that 95% of the eve population seems to be jerks or idiots that is a pretty risky gamble.
And without any RR what so ever, any PUG fleet will be DOA. With a better RR aggression mechanic you can still not be sure you're not in a fleet full of players who only look for themselves, but you can at least know that they can't get you concorded any second.
If we see it like this; in how many other MMOs are the healers punished by death for offering to help? Doesn't seem like much of an incentive to cooperation in my eyes.
and you sir, have ruined my evil plan to gcc the entire fleet.
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Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Daedalus II What is really needed is for CCP to do something about the RR aggression mechanic. As long as aggression transfers to the RR ship it is as you say; you can not join an unknown fleet.
The only safe way to play with unknowns is to not use RR on them; the pilot in an RR ship risks his whole ship on the premise the one he's repairing is not a jerk or idiot. Given that 95% of the eve population seems to be jerks or idiots that is a pretty risky gamble.
And without any RR what so ever, any PUG fleet will be DOA. With a better RR aggression mechanic you can still not be sure you're not in a fleet full of players who only look for themselves, but you can at least know that they can't get you concorded any second.
If we see it like this; in how many other MMOs are the healers punished by death for offering to help? Doesn't seem like much of an incentive to cooperation in my eyes.
We are looking into this issue right now.
Umm... This sounds ominous. I think the last thing that needs to happen is some form of RR boost...
Solution: limit RR to corp/alliance only, then join a corp or alliance that runs Incursions? Then to get killed for RR'ing someone, they'd have to be a complete douche corp mate and get everyone Concordokkened. (Not unheard of, but there are easier ways to kill your corpmates... like shooting them.)
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Zaknussem
Intrum Industria
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Dant
Originally by: CCP Soundwave We are looking into this issue right now.
So after the hundred threads on how this would ruin incursions, you are only looking into it after the incursions hit?
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Daedalus II
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Dant
Originally by: CCP Soundwave We are looking into this issue right now.
So after the hundred threads on how this would ruin incursions, you are only looking into it after the incursions hit?
Well we knew nothing would happen until people actually started dying in droves due to this I'm just happy they're looking at it, not a second too soon.
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:52:00 -
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Turn off the "RR'ing a GCC target gets you concorded flag" in incursion sites. Give concord a 1 second response time in incursion sites.
Since the jerk/idiot gets nearly insta-popped by concord, neutral RR in pvp wouldn't be practical to abuse?
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Ayieka
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:54:00 -
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I love how everyone thinks up how to use this new event to screw as many people over as possible.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:54:00 -
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Would it be that big a problem to just not have RRing someone incur the wrath of Concord?
The aggressor is going to die to Concord anyway, what difference does it make if someone else was unwittingly repairing him at the time?
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laksmi2
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: laksmi2 on 25/01/2011 15:57:50 under global report i cant find any incursions. any idea why?
not that i would join a fleet with the current mechanics.
wtf are ccp devs thinking. they know how we are and didnt react to the dozens of posts regarding the rr issue.
has there been any new content that was not ****ed at release? any?
send more programmers to dust and incarna crap please.
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bukchoi
Gallente Junkyard Doggs
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux Turn off the "RR'ing a GCC target gets you concorded flag" in incursion sites. Give concord a 1 second response time in incursion sites.
Since the jerk/idiot gets nearly insta-popped by concord, neutral RR in pvp wouldn't be practical to abuse?
it looks like a damn if you do damn if you don't idea either side can and will be abused ill make sure of that
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Dant
Originally by: CCP Soundwave We are looking into this issue right now.
So after the hundred threads on how this would ruin incursions, you are only looking into it after the incursions hit?
I've never used this emoticon, but this seems like a pretty good time to start...
:CCP:
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Lellian Marcellus Taron
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Lellian Marcellus Taron on 25/01/2011 15:57:49 I dunno, I logged on shortly after the server came up and jumped into the Algintal incursion with my Cane. All went well, 'til I got targetted by one of them and lost a ship that is quite expensive to me, at least.
Now, I did go right out and buy a new one, but I'm thinking this is going to take some very careful execution, unless I'd like to run out of isk.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 25/01/2011 16:04:10 àso how many of those exploded ships are due to CONCORD and how many are due to Sansha? When I passed through, I saw an awful lot of people in standard mission-running ships discussing fits that might be good enough for your standard zero-thread rat, but these are rather differentà
Originally by: Takseen Would it be that big a problem to just not have RRing someone incur the wrath of Concord?
The aggressor is going to die to Concord anyway, what difference does it make if someone else was unwittingly repairing him at the time?
Yes, it would be a big problem. Fiddling with the CONCORD triggers is a bad idea. The actual problem is that the repper has no say in whether he wants to trigger CONCORD or not, and that is what needs fixing. The tricky bit lies on how to make that happen (but cutting the remote support cycle short and throwing up a pop-up) without introducing various cycle-shorting/rapid-fire bugs. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Takseen Would it be that big a problem to just not have RRing someone incur the wrath of Concord?
The aggressor is going to die to Concord anyway, what difference does it make if someone else was unwittingly repairing him at the time?
Imagine a smartbombing typhoon being RR'd by 15+ Exequrors in a belt he normally wouldn't have enough time to kill all the Mackinaws he wanted. Should those Exequrors be immune?
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bukchoi
Gallente Junkyard Doggs
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Posted - 2011.01.25 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Burseg Sardaukar
Originally by: Takseen Would it be that big a problem to just not have RRing someone incur the wrath of Concord?
The aggressor is going to die to Concord anyway, what difference does it make if someone else was unwittingly repairing him at the time?
Imagine a smartbombing typhoon being RR'd by 15+ Exequrors in a belt he normally wouldn't have enough time to kill all the Mackinaws he wanted. Should those Exequrors be immune?
damned if you do, damned if you don't! sounds like a huge design flaw all the way back to when gcc was first implemented
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.01.25 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Daedalus II What is really needed is for CCP to do something about the RR aggression mechanic. As long as aggression transfers to the RR ship it is as you say; you can not join an unknown fleet.
The only safe way to play with unknowns is to not use RR on them; the pilot in an RR ship risks his whole ship on the premise the one he's repairing is not a jerk or idiot. Given that 95% of the eve population seems to be jerks or idiots that is a pretty risky gamble.
And without any RR what so ever, any PUG fleet will be DOA. With a better RR aggression mechanic you can still not be sure you're not in a fleet full of players who only look for themselves, but you can at least know that they can't get you concorded any second.
If we see it like this; in how many other MMOs are the healers punished by death for offering to help? Doesn't seem like much of an incentive to cooperation in my eyes.
We are looking into this issue right now.
does this means that we're getting zombie out of yulai and into jita? ---
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Gavjack Bunk
Gallente Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.01.25 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 25/01/2011 16:06:12 What if CONCORD just gives 1 jam cycle to reppers without the GCC requirement? Hmmm? You could make that universe global anyway, easy coding, and the only place that would get worse is the Dodixie / Amarr / Rens undock, and they're already fundamental crap holes anyway, so no loss there.
EDIT: Something about lowsec gates... and dock guns.. but oh lordy I think we're more terrified of CCP's response than the loss of 1000 carebears.
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