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Rothana Haldane
Minmatar Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.27 16:17:00 -
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CSM is a PLAYER voted council, Not a CCP voted Council. From what I am reading, People from CCP are "Proposing" things to CSM when in reality, it should be CSM going to CCP saying "Players want this" instead of of certain CCP people (Greyscale) going to CSM saying "Hey what do you think of changing this?" It puts CCP pressure on CSM into voting the way CCP wants because a CCP brought out the proposal.
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Sirus Prime
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Posted - 2011.02.27 16:22:00 -
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This is highly true. Personally I, as a player, do not agree with alot of the ideas that CCP is coming up with. For instance, if you were to remove the jump bridges, that will not remove blob warfare. The fact is now instead of just lagging out a few systems with our 400+ man fleet we lag every system from point A to point B. Lowsec pirate bodys will be overran by large alliances securing routes to highsec. Instead of having a 10 man pirate gang holding a lowsec gate, you now have 70+ man highly organized alliance fleets holding that same game. Larger alliances will not recoil into their space, but reach out for more to secure that route to highsec.
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Tenn soki
Gallente Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.27 16:23:00 -
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Just because the players voted for the CSM doesn't mean the CSM represents the entire player base.
Try asking the people who've lived in deep 0.0 for a long time, that live in these large collations, that live in small alliances in 0.0 if any of these changes will help. Make sure the guys who give you opinions have EXPERIENCE in multiple small and large alliance, so they can tell you what they would do if you made a change, the high sec carebears know NOTHING about 0.0
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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.02.28 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rothana Haldane CSM is a PLAYER voted council, Not a CCP voted Council. From what I am reading, People from CCP are "Proposing" things to CSM when in reality, it should be CSM going to CCP saying "Players want this" instead of of certain CCP people (Greyscale) going to CSM saying "Hey what do you think of changing this?" It puts CCP pressure on CSM into voting the way CCP wants because a CCP brought out the proposal.
You're entirely incorrect. CCP does not put any proposal through, and even if they did we wouldn't vote "the way they want us to" just because they're CCP.
The example you describe shows that CCP is using the CSM, which is exactly what we need. They come to us with an idea that they like a player's perspective of. Do we like it, don't we like it? Do we see any problems CCP didn't think of? The CSM gives CCP a place to get the player's perspective on ideas while still being able to keep those ideas private because of the Non Disclosure Agreement the CSM is under.
Developers seeking player feedback through the CSM is something that should always be encouraged.
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Marconus Orion
Global Criminal Countdown
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Posted - 2011.02.28 01:28:00 -
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SpaceMonkey's Alliance afraid of jump bridge change non-shocker. Do not be afraid of :effort: children.
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Tenn soki
Gallente Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.28 05:28:00 -
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The issue is not that CCP isn't seeking feedback from players, its that they think just a few people can represent the vast majority of players, regardless of the fact that players voted for the CSM.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.02.28 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tenn soki The issue is not that CCP isn't seeking feedback from players, its that they think just a few people can represent the vast majority of players, regardless of the fact that players voted for the CSM.
Why is it an issue and are you sure CCP thinks that? CSM represent a large chunk of players who care and want an active say in how EVE is developed. The final decision is CCP's anyway and they have other ways of getting info and feedback is almost always requested on upcoming changes, so it isn't like the CSM can dictate anything on it's own or that others can't voice their opinion.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.28 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
CSM represent a large chunk of players
7% of all the active accounts is hardly a "large chunk of players" and, from what I recall, that was the percentage of voters in the last round of elections.
If you add that most of the voters have more than one account it get even worse.
Add that the person with the second higher number of votes was banned from the CSM for a NDA violation and you see how the CSM represent a minority of the EVE players.
That said it is working at is should.
It is a consultation organ, they can suggest changes and can give an opinion about the effect of changes on the game from the prospective of the players.
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Jame Jarl Retief
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Posted - 2011.02.28 13:54:00 -
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I would argue that CSM isn't really needed at all. Why not implement direct voting for paid accounts instead? You'll get a much more accurate representation of "what players want".
Even the issues for voting can be voted for, just pile all player-suggested issues into a separate questionnaire and present it every quarter year or so. It'll be a long one, but since you'd only have to do 4 of these a year, I think most of us would go through the trouble, and once again CCP would get a fairly accurate assessment of what players really want on individual basis. Take top 25% of that, put it into the next implementation voting form, and presto! You now have a game where the direction of the development is largely influenced by actual players.
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Manalapan
Dynasty Banking General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.28 20:45:00 -
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The issue is not voting on concepts. CSM provides CCP with unique discussion with players that would not otherwise occur. The players should vote into CSM the players they feel have the ability to discuss adequately and reliably the pros and cons of ideas with CCP. The fact that CCP wants this is a step above all other MMOs.
Do not even begin to try to argue that the forums are a good way to get discussion out of players as it is an even smaller number of players that reliably reply on forums than vote on CSM. You also have a large amount of useless extremely biased 'contribution' to most any thread.
CSM is the best way CCP can get outside discussion in a representative and fluid manner.
CSM is also fantastic publicity for CCP. ------ Support Manalapan for CSM!
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