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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2012.08.28 02:19:00 -
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If you're not, then you're doing it wrong. I don't care what you're flying. I haven't made a fit in the last 3 months that wasn't SingleDual ASB fit, even if it was meant to armor tank.
If this mod doesn't get nerfed/rebalanced with every other defensive system, then CCP's lost its mawbles.
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Orzo Torasson
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.08.28 02:22:00 -
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It's been a long time since I've seen a non-ASB assault frigate fit in space. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1272
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Posted - 2012.08.28 02:37:00 -
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Never used one.. http://www.themittani.com Bringing balance to the world of Eve news |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2349
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Posted - 2012.08.28 03:20:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:
If you're not, then you're doing it wrong. I don't care what you're flying. I haven't made a fit in the last 3 months that wasn't SingleDual ASB fit, even if it was meant to armor tank.
If this mod doesn't get nerfed/rebalanced with every other defensive system, then CCP's lost its mawbles.
They really aren't all they're cracked up to be.
As usual, alpha > active. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Tyraeil Starblade
Ronin Wing
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Posted - 2012.08.28 03:21:00 -
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Where has this thread been all my life...
I was waiting before people got mad enough at their own failings on how to deal with ASB ships (aka fit one yourself duh!), that they would need to make a thread about it.
Ah sweet surrender. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.28 03:22:00 -
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ASB made big splash in the Alliance Tournament, I don't know if it's a different story in "the wild" though.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1288
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Posted - 2012.08.28 03:24:00 -
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James 315 wrote:ASB made big splash in the Alliance Tournament, I don't know if it's a different story in "the wild" though. I know someone was planning a ASB scorpion as bait for something. Surprise ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2012.08.28 03:27:00 -
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Something tells me that this thread is actually a subtle plea to have ASBs nerfed. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2012.08.28 03:32:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:
If you're not, then you're doing it wrong. I don't care what you're flying. I haven't made a fit in the last 3 months that wasn't SingleDual ASB fit, even if it was meant to armor tank.
If this mod doesn't get nerfed/rebalanced with every other defensive system, then CCP's lost its mawbles.
They really aren't all they're cracked up to be.As usual, alpha > active.
Oh, well for sure.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14450710
That rupture was bleeding straight through to structure despite it's ub3rXLASB.
However, nothing a little buffer can't smooth out.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2012.08.28 03:39:00 -
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For PVP skirmish they are handy, but I think you'd have a hard time convincing a mission runner that an ASB is better than a solid passive tank in something like Worlds collide (Or whatever it's called), where you are sitting and tanking for a half hour or so. I know my Rattlesnake deadspace runner will never have one fitted when I'm webbed, scrammed and neuted for the hour I'm in there hacking cans.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
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Ensign X
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Posted - 2012.08.28 04:37:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:If you're not, then you're doing it wrong. I don't care what you're flying. I haven't made a fit in the last 3 months that wasn't Single or Dual ASB fit, even if it was meant to armor tank.
Riiiight. Except for this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this. And this.
edit: Oh, and this one too. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2349
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Posted - 2012.08.28 04:46:00 -
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Ensign X wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:If you're not, then you're doing it wrong. I don't care what you're flying. I haven't made a fit in the last 3 months that wasn't Single or Dual ASB fit, even if it was meant to armor tank.
Riiiight. Except for this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this. And this. edit: Oh, and this one too.
making a fit != flying a previously existing one.
that said, ASBs are still meh. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2008
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Posted - 2012.08.28 04:56:00 -
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I think they should boost ASBs. Active tanking still isn't viable. :( :( :( :( Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2349
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Posted - 2012.08.28 05:12:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I think they should boost ASBs. Active tanking still isn't viable. :( :( :( :(
you can buff active tanking all you want, high alpha will always trump it by design. so, basically, no. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Ensign X
114
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Posted - 2012.08.28 05:18:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:making a fit != flying a previously existing one.
that said, ASBs are still meh.
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2008
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Posted - 2012.08.28 05:28:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:I think they should boost ASBs. Active tanking still isn't viable. :( :( :( :( you can buff active tanking all you want, high alpha will always trump it by design. so, basically, no.
I know!!! Active tanking just doesn't scale. It needs an even bigger buff. I think ASBs should have a 10 second reload time just like cap boosters!! Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Ayuren Aakiwa
Wyvern Operations Eternal Syndicate
27
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Posted - 2012.08.28 06:08:00 -
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They may be a bit op in smaller scale situations with the blue pill but in that case your usually limited by your cargo bay with asb fits. So the longer the engagement the less useful your asb becomes so it really is not as broken as many seem to believe imo. In huge fleets it doesn't seem very viable but I rarely fly around with more than like 20 people so pew pew 24/7 |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.08.28 07:02:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I know!!! Active tanking just doesn't scale. It needs an even bigger buff. I think ASBs should have a 10 second reload time just like cap boosters!! You seem not to undestand what "by design" means. Even if you have insta reload and 9bil shield hp per ASB cycle, alpha is still > active tanking. Active tanks aren't supposed to be used in larger scale mess. ASBs seem to already cause trouble in smaller engagement though. |
Mildew Wolf
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Posted - 2012.08.28 07:47:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:I think they should boost ASBs. Active tanking still isn't viable. :( :( :( :( you can buff active tanking all you want, high alpha will always trump it by design. so, basically, no. I know!!! Active tanking just doesn't scale. It needs an even bigger buff. I think ASBs should have a 10 second reload time just like cap boosters!!
its not nice to tease the general discussion people. they dont know any better ((( |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1237
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Posted - 2012.08.28 08:03:00 -
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Please let me enjoy an armor version of the ASB. Would be nice for Gallente blaster boats to be allowed to play the game again.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
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Marcus Harikari
Guitar Players of EVE
75
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Posted - 2012.08.28 08:07:00 -
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asb is awesome
that being said the only times i get ganked is when it's like 2+v1 in a WH...and...it's not really gonna help there... |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
136
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Posted - 2012.08.28 08:12:00 -
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To be honest for most ships a static buffer is still more useful, the ASB actually offers an interesting conundrum, in that it benifits more from SBAs and a secondary static buffer, than resists, meaning for small gang+ a resists supported static buffer is more practical.
In solo situations it is a powerful tool, and while it may need some slight rebalancing I think its generally working as intended. |
Alice Saki
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Posted - 2012.08.28 08:14:00 -
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Got a Massive shock when I was fighting a ASB drake :| Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused.
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Sloth Mileghere
Space Hobos LLC.
0
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Posted - 2012.08.28 08:38:00 -
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limit it to one per ship and it will be fine. One min of beast tank then quick death. |
Kingston Black
Hostile. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
40
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Posted - 2012.08.28 09:33:00 -
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Yes this is disgraceful where is my armour version??!!!!!
I would like an ancillary armour booster and the equivalent of a crystal set for armour for winter update please
> Although the guy who suggested a new kind of armour repper that also increased either armour amount or resistances would also placate me ;) |
Shanija
Confetti Explosion
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Posted - 2012.08.28 09:46:00 -
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Maybe I made an error in my calculations somewhere but when accounting for the usual skill bonuses most of the ASBs didn't seem very impressive compared to a plain old easier to fit shield extender of the same size across one reload cycle. The small was a little better, the medium almost exactly identical, the large maybe significantly but not out of the park better. The only one that was a great deal better was the XLASB, and you'd sort of expect that given there isn't an XLSE. Basically, unless you have a source of boost bonuses they didn't seem to be all they're cracked up to be compared to plain old buffer.
Did I make a miscalculation or is that accurate? They do have more advantages if you can actually live through the reload cycle or disengage to reload, but across the one cycle not so much. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
164
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Posted - 2012.08.28 10:28:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:For PVP skirmish they are handy, but I think you'd have a hard time convincing a mission runner that an ASB is better than a solid passive tank in something like Worlds collide (Or whatever it's called), where you are sitting and tanking for a half hour or so. I know my Rattlesnake deadspace runner will never have one fitted when I'm webbed, scrammed and neuted for the hour I'm in there hacking cans. Mr Epeen
I've been trialing a Navy Dominix with a mostly passive shield tank and a large ASB for backup.
Most missions, with the right hardeners, it can put out enough DPS that you don't need an active tank at all. Some of the tougher ones I've needed to turn it on. With the large you can turn it on when shields drop below 33%, run it with charges, and them without charges for short time. By then you should have shields back at close to 100% (you'll be capped out), but you have enough buffer to survive the reload time.
With a rack of 425's, and drones with the new damage amps you can put out around 1000dps, and you should have most of the room clear very quickly.
It also has huge EHP, so there's not much worry about being ganked. |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
849
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Posted - 2012.08.28 10:35:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:I think they should boost ASBs. Active tanking still isn't viable. :( :( :( :( you can buff active tanking all you want, high alpha will always trump it by design. so, basically, no.
Glad TEST is around to state the obvious like this. Lost without them we would be. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:23:00 -
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Ensign X wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:If you're not, then you're doing it wrong. I don't care what you're flying. I haven't made a fit in the last 3 months that wasn't Single or Dual ASB fit, even if it was meant to armor tank.
Riiiight. Except for this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this. And this. edit: Oh, and this one too.
Ya, there are clearly no dead DUAL ASB fits are losses there. Those were pre-ASB Fits that I had sitting around and used as is. You saw what happened to them. If they had been ASB Fit, then they wouldn't be dead right now.
The Thrasher was a mining gank fit, of course it's not dual ASB fit, and the rifter was travelling through hisec and clearly not a combat fit.
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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:43:00 -
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Every buffer tanked blob with ECM support beats the **** out of your double ASB stuff... |
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