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Cearain
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Posted - 2011.03.29 19:07:00 -
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Nobody showed? Ouch!
To be fair, in June 2010 CCP said it would be 18 months. I know that sucks for us in fw but the truth isn't always what one wants to hear. I think fw is still the best thing in eve. I hope the occupancy plexing gets fixed. But that likely won't happen until incarna is out the door.
They probably didn't have much to say about it because they aren't working on it. If you worked at CCP would you want to sit at that table? I don't blame them. But they could have at least threw a new guy in the chair, stepped back and watched.
We made it halfway through the nine months. If you like other things in eve better go do them. I do think we will see a pretty substantial change to occupancy plexing in the summer or winter of 2012.
-Cearain
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Posted - 2011.04.01 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Cearain on 01/04/2011 14:30:06
Originally by: mkmin There is no $ in faction warfare. It's worth investing 15 minutes of community department's time to appease the current FW players with hollow promises to keep their subs going, but not worth the dev time to actually improve FW. Nobody joins EVE for FW.
This couldn't be further from the truth. Everyday Eve loses players who can no longer find any decent small gang pvp. Small gang pvp is a real strength of eve. Yet ccp doesn't play to that strength û they completely ignore it! FW occupancy plexing was the one attempt to actually boost small gang pvp. Unfortunately they just couldn't resist putting npcs in there and making even fw plexing a pve activity.
Instead CCP keeps playing to what is widley considered a weakness - shooting npcs. When are they going to realize that developing more ways to shoot npcs is not really going to boost subscriptions?
As far as advertising they could hit huge paydirt with fw improvements. They could think of many slogans/catch phrases for the expansion and that sort of thing. ItÆs the biggest war of any game in the history of computer games! How can you fail to market it? ThatÆs not a problem.
If people arenÆt aware of eve they will hear about this game with this huge war and become interested. If people are aware of this game they may have hope that ccp finally did *something* that brings about quality small scale pvp.
If you know anything about eve then when incursions was launched what did you think? I thought ôah yes, yet another way to shoot red xs in eve. If it really pays well I may ôgrindö them. I wonder how long it will take to get incarna out so they can start doing decent expansions.ö I donÆt mean to denigrate any ccp employees that worked on incursions. But your work was misdirected from the start.
And FW is not really for new pvpers. You arenÆt really trusted until you get some solo kills, and that can be hard for new pvpers. I think newer pvpers would be better off going into null sec blobs if you have allot of time to dedicate to eve, or rvb if you donÆt. You will get a bit more handholding.
FW should be for people who like pvp but canÆt dedicate their real life to eve. Does anyone really think there is no market there?
-Cearain
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Posted - 2011.04.05 18:51:00 -
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FW missions: pretty much fine. For some races they should be a bit harder/not soloable in a sb. But the ones for amarr a pretty well balanced.
Occuapancy plexing: "It took less than a week to achieve the maximum faction warfare rank (Divine Commodore), à.111 faction warfare complexes were captured à I did not kill anyone in the process..ö Ankhesentapemkah Posted - 2008.06.18 02:29:00 ItÆs a joke. I think there is somewhat of a split between people who want plexing to involve more red x shooting, or to make the npcs stronger etc. and those who want more pvp.
I think eve is long overdue to have some mechanic were small scale pvp is the deciding factor. That is why I support this proposal: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1
I would support everything makes pvp the key (e.g., letting militias know when plexes are taken) and be against everything that ruins the pvp. (eg making the npcs much tougher so its mainly a pve activity) The rats currently almost always work to prevent pvp so they are best done away with.
The rest (rp whatever) I really donÆt care too much about.
-Cearain
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Posted - 2011.05.02 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Bones If you're giving LP for kills I demand backpay for the thousands of FW pilots I've slaughtered. Also, I will confirm an "LP for kills" system can and will be thoroughly exploited by nefarious people such as myself.
If they want to fix FW they need to add a "lattice" mechanism of conquering systems. Kinda like Planetside. The regions bordering enemy regions are significantly easier to capture via plexing. This will lead to a fluid but easily identified "front line".
It would be better to have the action spread out throughout the relevant regions. Front lines just means blobs. We know this because we actually have a front line: Kourmonen. -Cearain
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Posted - 2011.05.05 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: Cearain on 05/05/2011 18:06:50 Is CCP going to post the details (time place and format) of the fw make up session in this thread? -Cearain
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Posted - 2011.05.06 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia See they are coming out with this new stuff that's going to be AWESOME!!! OH MAN ARE YOU GOING TO LOVE THIS NEW STUFF... oh and also, they are going to support the new stuff.
No really, it'll be rough when it comes out but they plan on making improvements and working on it all next year and the following years to make sure everything is GREAT and AWESOME just like they promised.
See, they are committed to EXCELLENCE. You just don't understand what that means. Oh man wait till you see this new stuff it's going to be SO COOL and totally supported by the full dev team after release. and don't worry if the game is a little buggy they already know about that and have a patch coming out, and don't worry if people are exploiting the mechanics and pvp doesn't work because the agro system is buggy REST ASSURED THEY WILL ADDRESS THESE ISSUES!!
lol funny cause it's true.
So when is this catch-up roundtable CCP?
I think the catch up round table is planned to do done with our incarna characters. See the future of eve video for an idea of how this catch up round table will work.
But to be fair, in June 2010 CCP said they were not going to do anything with fw until December 2011. So if you went to fanfest in March of 2011 for the sole purpose of talking about developments in fw wellà
IÆm just keeping my skills up to date for the rest of my subscription û which runs in 38 days. After that I will likely check back sometime after December of 2011 to see if CCP did anything to promote small gang pvp. IÆm somewhat optimistic that they will indeed make small gang pvp in fw great. ItÆs really an obvious decision and CCP is intelligent.
But right now eve doesnÆt offer me much that I am interested in. I really think june-september of 2012 CCP will have some mechanics that will make the game great for those who like small scale pvp.
-Cearain
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Posted - 2011.05.25 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Planck
Originally by: Perramas You long time FW players remind me of the wife of a guy I worked with. He would beat her all the time and call her foul names. When she would leave he would call her up crying saying how sorry he was and that things would be different this time. And she falls for it every single time and returns to him to be beat and cursed at some more.
lol, FW isn't that bad, or bad at all really. You should try it. There is a lot of whine because of a few drama queens in FW and because it doesn't seem like it would take much time to fix a few of the small bugs. The large overhual stuff would be nice, but I get plenty of pew pew because of FW.
FW is the best thing in eve. However, itÆs pretty bad. The entire occupancy mechanic is so bad it is ignored. You know occupancy is supposedly what we are fighting about? Yeah right. FW fights are generally as meaningless as the ffa fights on singularity. Only it takes allot longer to find the fights in FW.
-Cearain
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Cearain on 25/05/2011 19:01:03
Originally by: Karl Planck
Originally by: Cearain
FW is the best thing in eve. However, itÆs pretty bad. The entire occupancy mechanic is so bad it is ignored. You know occupancy is supposedly what we are fighting about? Yeah right. FW fights are generally as meaningless as the ffa fights on singularity. Only it takes allot longer to find the fights in FW.
a) doesn't sound like you enjoy eve very much b) a fight is a fight is a fight. You say meaningless, but like everything else in eve, its what YOU make out of it. c) This is a sandbox. The occupancy mechanic isn't there to tell us what our goal is, its a mechanic at our disposal. There might be RP value on them, but again, its a mechanic. I personally love it, even though I would like to see it tweaked
A)Yeah I was very enthusiastic at first thinking there would be allot of exciting fights etc. But it seems ccp is only concerned about large alliance and corp stuff that I really donÆt have time for. I have rl friends and family to socialize with, and I am not really interested in investing time to make friends over the internet. IÆm not saying there is anything wrong with that. ItÆs just I am just not interested. IÆm not interested in 90% facebook with 10% spaceships. Look at many of the large alliance leaders. Very little fighting in spaceships û mostly facebook. It seems that is what CCP wants. ItÆs their game but thatÆs not for me.
B) If a fight is a fight is a fight then I suggest you try singularity. You will get more fights faster and you wonÆt have to do any grinding for new ships. On tranquility FW is likely your best bet for getting in allot of decent fights. But even there you will be lucky to get in one good fight for an hour spent warping around.
FW should be the answer for people who want to get allot of pew pew fast but ccp doesnÆt seem to care about it, or anything that might lead to quicker pvp action. Players who want a system that yields quality pvp in a reasonable time should, and have, looked elsewhere. Eve is full of players who think itÆs reasonable to have one 2 minute pvp fight per hour warping around. But this is not because that is reasonable, itÆs because everyone else left the game. Think about it, this is pretty much the only spaceship MMO in the world and there are only like 350,000 subscriptions. What maybe 250,000 actual players in the world? Pretty much everyone agrees the pvp can be exciting in this game. However, CCP insists they want this game to be more about making friends on vent and creating blobs that make the fantastic spaceship combat mechanics they created irrelevant.
C)IÆm not sure claiming ôitÆs a sandboxö should be an excuse for bad mechanics. Sandbox or not CCP makes goals all the time through their mechanics. They can either do a good job with it or a bad job. I agree that the fw plexing is the best mechanic they have made so far- outside of ship fitting/combat mechanics. However, until they decide to tweak it, it will remain pretty bad. ] -Cearain
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Posted - 2011.05.25 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Planck Seeing as I got some free time lets have some fun with this
Originally by: Cearain
A)Yeah I was very enthusiastic at first thinking there would be allot of exciting fights etc. But it seems ccp is only concerned about large alliance and corp stuff that I really donÆt have time for. I have rl friends and family to socialize with, and I am not really interested in investing time to make friends over the internet. IÆm not saying there is anything wrong with that. ItÆs just I am just not interested. IÆm not interested in 90% facebook with 10% spaceships. Look at many of the large alliance leaders. Very little fighting in spaceships û mostly facebook. It seems that is what CCP wants. ItÆs their game but thatÆs not for me.
first, bitter vet detected Again, eve is what you make of it. Although they have added some social tools they haven't taken anything away from low sec because they haven't changed it lol. You get on a high horse saying you have friends so you can't play eve? That just makes you look like an a**. And they have added a lot to the overall spaceship aspect, just not anything extreme since the pirate hull buff. But w/e, if you a bitter vet you came on the forums to vent, so vent away.
ôBitter vetö you know I never heard that term before I played eve. I have played many sports and games (although not mmos) and never heard that term. I just googled it and my first page is full of eve references!!! Why do you think that is? Let me suggest that many people recognize the great combat mechanics of this game. These include but are not limited to turret tracking, missile velocity, optimal range, warp mechanics, sig radius, and how all the modules can work together to make an interesting fits, how different ships can work together to make a great gang etc. But the way the other eve mechanics work none of this matters at all, itÆs just blob blob blob blob. It doesnÆt matter how you fit your ship your just gonna blob or get blobbed. Many newbs who join this game have someone else fit their ship for them then they fly and blob people. I did that myself and it was fun û for a while.
What has ccp done to improve small gang pvp since FW came out? You are right that plexes are a great way to get good fights. Yet the system needs to be tweaked or reworked to be truly playable yet they refuse to do it.
I am sorry if you think I am an ass just because I would rather develop friendships in person rather than over the internet. I donÆt mean there is anything wrong with having friends over the internet. ItÆs just not a goal for me. w/e
Originally by: Karl Planck
You said FW pvp was meaningless. Its not, or at least its not any different than 90% of pvp in eve, which i would think most people don't find meaningless. Going to singularity is just to test your skills, but causes no pain, thus no fun very quickly. As far as finding fights quickly, sounds and looks by the shape of your KB that you need to modify your strategy.
Looking at your killboard I am not sure you are one to be giving advise on strategies but IÆm up for new strategies. What do you do, and how many quality fights do you get in per hour of play?
-Cearain
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Posted - 2011.05.25 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Planck
The reason the population is so small is because of the pvp you dork. In a recent Game Informer article an author wrote about the values of Rift over WOW. EVE was brought up as an example of a game where you just get griefed to death and can't have any fun. This is just one example, and people don't have to pew pew in this game to have fun, but the pew pew is the reason that scares most people away, not the social aspect. .
Did you call me a dork??? Why I oughttaà.!! I have to say I think the reason more people donÆt play eve is because itÆs pretty boring to warp around for hours and find nothing that will or should fight you or you should fight. But thatÆs just my opinion. Plenty of people play pvp mmos. But whatever believe what you want.
Originally by: Karl Planck
Saying its bad is an opinion and you know it. I know a lot of people on the minnie side of FW get a lot of enjoyment from the RP side of 'liberating' systems from their former oppressors. Personally, I enjoying being able to use the FW plex's, even more so when the NPC's are on my side. This is a GREAT way to get better fights by being able to limit what in a fleet can come after you.
That being said of course it, along with other things could be modified to be even better, no doubt. There has been a lot of suggestions, some on this thread, about changes to make it better.
BTW, some level of irony to the amount you talk of having a life and not being able to be bothered with the social aspects of eve and writing an lengthy response of the forums, just sayin
Of course itÆs my opinion. I might suggest it is also the opinion of so many people that have played this game there was actually a term coined for us. ôbitter vetsö
What you say about plexes is true. I agree they are a good way to get good fights. I used to use them for that all the time. But I can sit in plexes for hours in very busy systems like amamake and auga and kourmonen and no one other than blobs will come in. Yes the mechanics have to be improved. I have my own post in assembly hall. I can show you posts from 3 years ago asking for changes to improve it. Anyone in fw lately knows its very rare to find someone who cares about plexing û because as it currently exists itÆs boring.
I think the game could be great if they improved it. But realistically that is not going to happen for at least another year. Right now the game is really slow and pretty boring. So I am going to let my subscription run out and see if they ever do fix it.
I post allot, I think CCP did allot of things great- like ship fitings and battle mechanics for solo and small gangs. But unfortunately they do other things that make these great aspects irrelevant. I would love for ccp to fix this situation so I post allot about it. I suppose in the hour it took me to respond to you I could have played eve and had about a 50% chance of getting a single decent pvp fight. But one good fight every two hours just doesnÆt cut it for me.
-Cearain
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Posted - 2011.05.25 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Planck Yakov Pavlov, you are pretty much dead on I would say with where I stand on this. And you are also correct that my stance is more dismissive of the problem. However that is different than the devs being dismissive. I can't do anything about the game being changed and I am pretty sure that CCP knows we would like change..
Thats just it, I don't think they believe players want quality small group spaceship pvp. They have done absolutely nothing since fw to create mechanics to bring that about. FW would be the obvious choice to foster small scale pvp. Yet its completely off the charts! No one even showed up at the round table!! I think CCP is losing faith in the ship combat mechanics they created.
They are reaching out to new and different things instead of working with the strengths of the game - like the fun that people have in small scale pvp.
-Cearain
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Posted - 2011.05.25 22:23:00 -
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Well I'm really not down on ccp. Again I don't think someone should have flown to iceland to find out about fw developments when ccp said a year ago they wouldn't work on it for 18 months.
I think CCP has made a game that is great for new players for about 2 years of play. I do think they could make it a great game for people to play indefinitely - like other great classic games such as chess checkers poker etc. But they haven't. Eve is really not that great to play after about 2 years.
People can cry bitter vet all you want but there is a reason for it.
I think your right they need to develop what they have. I would also say they need to develop and capitalize on the *strengths* of the game. You can't polish a turd and continueing to work on PI and isn't really going to keep players longer.
One huge strength that they never seemed to capitalize on is small scale pvp. FW is the obvious way to foster small scale pvp yet it's ignored.
-Cearain
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Posted - 2011.06.07 15:34:00 -
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And again to be fair CCP said they would not work on fw until December of 2011. So of course there is not much to say. They posted a dev blog explaining how they assigned all the devs to incarna and dust and such.
I guess I would be content with information like - "We plan on setting up a FW dev team of *7* devs in January 2012 and hope to have FW improvements by summer 2012."
Here is the post where I outline when CCP said they were going to stop working on FW for 18 months. It also links the dev blog that verified indeed no devs were working on it because incarna was taking up the lionÆs share of resources.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1519684
-Cearain
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Posted - 2011.07.27 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Cearain on 27/07/2011 17:36:28
Originally by: Flynn Fetladral ....Like 0.0, FW needs a rethink with some serious and comprehensive changes to many of its core features. FW + Low Sec need an expansion to themselves. I think the devs know this, but due to their current time table can't fit it in, so they don't talk about it at all. I can understand that FW and Low Sec are some of the least used parts of the game by players thus don't get much of a look in. However maybe it's indicative of the problem. No one is using it because it needs to be addressed by the devs to make it more attractive. It's ok that CCP can't address this right now, what is not ok is not being able to fix it and not talking about it with players, even if there was one bloody game designer assigned to talking to it's users and hashing out ideas so when CCP comes to finally do something about it much of the leg work is already done.
There is definitely a trype of player that fits well in low sec and fw. They are more casual players who like small gang pvp. We like the fact that eve is hardcore and you really lose things in the game but the idea of alarm clock ops or quitting my day job to play a computer game is not realistic.
CCP has ignored this group of players and i suspect they are leaving. But the thing is if they really made fw plexing deliver the awesome solo/small gang pvp it was meant to, they would see their numbers doubling in 3 years.
CCP lots of people would like fast paced pvp against other players (not just red xs). But the current mechanics make it so you either spend hours waiting for gangs to form and blob others(not somethign casual players can really do) or you run missions. All of this can be very boring stuff.
Give players who like solo/small gang pvp a single small bone - a single mechanic that caters to them - in new eden and your subscriptions will grow fast. -Cearain
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Posted - 2011.07.27 17:47:00 -
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Oh yeah and if your reading this and like fw, vote issue 41 here:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1555249 -Cearain
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Posted - 2011.07.28 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Astell ....In all seriousness though, within the boundaries of the game mechanics there is tons of pvp in FW, though there is a 'right time right place' element to it.
There is more than decent small scale pvp in fw than anywhere else in eve. But I wouldn't say there is tons of it. You can probably get one decent (not just a gank) fight every 2 hours.
IMO FW mechanics should yield 2-4 good small scale fights per hour. CCP should at least strive for that instead of thinking everyone has all day to wait for a fight. -Cearain
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Posted - 2011.07.31 14:44:00 -
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Stemming the tide of people running missions will not really fix what needs fixing. If people want to farm isk they will do it else where and leave low sec a bit more empty.
CCP needs to make plexing fun. That means making it pvp not pve. Let militia players know when plexes are entered!
Here is a proposal that will do just that:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1 -Cearain
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Posted - 2011.08.03 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Cearain on 03/08/2011 19:37:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DisZ6qmNdbo&feature=related -Cearain
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Posted - 2011.08.11 16:11:00 -
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Here is a thread where I try to list the various ideas that have been brought up regarding fw: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1564233&page=1#1
I think going through that list would make for a decent roundtable discussion. -Cearain
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Posted - 2011.08.11 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Uriel Orestes It would be a good idea to come up with a well structured post that lists in detail what the FWers feel are the main issues that make the system so horrid.
Well written, though out discussions (unlike this post) are the only chance of getting CCP's attention at this point. Bumping this thread with vitriol for CCP dropping the ball is going to get nowhere or more Soon TM replies at the most.
If I didn't have a hectic RL, I'd write a post (complete with colors and formatting), but I just don't have the time to do the research and write up a good report. However, I think at least one of you in this thread has that time. And yes, I've been involved with FW for a year now, so I do feel all of your pain with how ****ty it is.
Here is a thread where I try to list the various ideas that have been brought up regarding fw: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1564233&page=1#1
I think going through that list would make for a decent roundtable discussion. -Cearain
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Posted - 2011.08.17 21:50:00 -
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Actually I would be willing to bet they will work on FW. I had listened to a podcast soundwave was on and he was asked what he would most like to work on in eve. (or somethign like that) And he said he would like to work on FW. He has been my favorite dev ever since.
I do think CCP will get around to FW. It is a fairly obvious move that can boost subscription numbers much more than messing with null sec and dress up. -Cearain
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Posted - 2011.08.29 12:11:00 -
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@ Pr1ncess Alia
I'm not sure they lied about anything here. In June 2010, they said it would take 18 months before they would work on FW.
I and many others complained. And more than a few quit the game altogether upon hearing this news.
But I don't think you can also claim they lied. They told the truth.
In his latest interview CCP soundwave was hardly trying to hand out false promises regarding eve. However, he did say that FW was a high priority.
I think that is good news.
So I do think we should keep this thread at the forfront, but also post in some threads about what we actually want to have change in fw.
There are very different proposals out there. Some people want to make fw plexxing more of a pve activity with more and stronger npcs, or require people to shoot all of them etc. Others want to do away with the npcs in plexes altogether and make it exclusively a pvp activity.
For my part if they "fix" fw by making fw even more of a pve activity I would rather they not touch it. -Cearain
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Originally by: Ciar Meara
Originally by: Cearain
In his latest interview CCP soundwave was hardly trying to hand out false promises regarding eve. However, he did say that FW was a high priority.
I think that is good news.
It such a high priority that:
- The new winter expansion is going to be (another) interation on 0.0 - This thread after a short attention of the devs (we will get back to you) was ignored - No Questions regarding FW on any substance have been answered in the now dead "ask a dev thread" - Not one dev commented on FW besides "its important" for months (years?) now
I doubt they know what exactly they want to do with it. I mean they said in june 2010 that they wouldn't be able to work on it for 18 months. Someone went to fan fest 9 months later and didn't get any information. Well there probably wasn't any information to give.
Consider what would happen: Player: will CCP require all the npcs to be shot in order to occupy a plex? CCP: maybe maybe not we haven't really thoght through how we will change fw plexxing. Player: Will CCP remove all the npcs from plexes and allow players to be notified when they are entered so that it can involve pvp instead of pve? CCP: maybe maybe not we haven't really thoght through how we will change fw plexxing. etc. etc.
I'm just as ticked as anyone, that ccp put off fw for incarna, wod, dust, and now another null sec expansion. But I just don't think its fair to say they lied about it. They told us they were putting it off for those reasons.
I think its fair to call them stupid for putting this part of the game aside for so long. But I don't think its fair to say they lied about it. -Cearain
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Cearain
I doubt they know what exactly they want to do with it. I mean they said in june 2010 that they wouldn't be able to work on it for 18 months. Someone went to fan fest 9 months later and didn't get any information. Well there probably wasn't any information to give.
So why raise hopes by scheduling a round-table?
And do you really think that they will be starting work on fixing FW in January?
I don't know why they scheduled the round table. I can only speculate that they had fw round tables in the past and the organizer jsut left it on the schedule. Hence no one came.
As far as when will they start? I don't know. They have to finish the null sec expansion. Of course if that has major bugs then it may delay things. But once they get that release launched I think then team BFF will be looking at FW and low sec too.
Its a small team but I think its a very good team. Hopefully they just do some minor balancing with null sec so they can get over to fw.
But once they start to focus on FW I do not think we will hear back until they decide what direction they want to take FW plexing. It is a core mechanic and has been broken for years. They have to decide if they want it to remain a pve activity where you go shooting npcs or if they are going to take steps to make it more of a pvp activity.
They also may want to design some sort of award for occupancy plexing. However they have to be concerned with a situation where everyone joins the winning side.
They might also add a few fw exclusive items to the store. Or at least boost some that are pretty worthless like amarr armor plates.
I don't think the actual changes will be so hard technically, but I do think they should carefully consider the implications of their actions.
-Cearain
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