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DeT Resprox Minmatar T.R.I.A.D	Posted - 2011.05.19 22:15:00 - [1] Edited by: DeT Resprox on 19/05/2011 22:16:42 This patch has completely removed being able to view a players standings in relation to Faction/Corporation entities towards a player gained from running missions etc. This breaks the mechanics of Corporation security for many corporations, especially Faction Warfare corporations[1] and is a huge blow to Roleplay Corporations[2]. [1] Through being able to see factional standings/Corp standings, corporations will know that they are not taking in someone working for the other side which helps to eliminate spies. Also, it helps being able to see if a player who for example has been in the Tribal Liberation Force for months and applies to your corp that they actually have run missions for the TLF and can be trusted, and are not an enemy alt! Come on guys, Faction Warfare has been let down enough as it is! [2]Roleplay Corporations like to know that who they have in their corp are loyalist in relation to their faction and this also helps tie into [1] above. Without this mechanic, Roleplay Corporations could become infested with all types which would have the potential to break them. I can only hope that this was an oversight. The implications in removing being able to see player corp/faction standings [LIKED BY/DISLIKED BY] are big. DeT Resprox T.R.I.A.D CEO CHANNEL: TRIAD AGENCY EON MAGAZINE: T.R.I.A.D
Wen Jaibao Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.05.19 22:18:00 - [2] It also hurts highsec griefers who can't figure out where people mission anymore simply by right click-> show info. Griefer tears spotted.
Kharamete Amarr	Posted - 2011.05.19 22:19:00 - [3] Yeah, right, it is totally immersive to be able to right click and 'show info' on random strangers, and learn their employment history and academic record since birth. There are problems with the patch (read jump freighters), but this is not one of them. In a game built around trust (and the breach of trust at times) it is just too easy to have every action and relation at the public beck and call. I suggest that you actually talk to your recruits, use your judgement, and learn from your mistaken judgements. ---
Vaju Katru	Posted - 2011.05.19 22:21:00 - [4] omg this is huge, this is amayzing, its big like king kong size, its serious business.
Rocco Battaglia Gallente New Eden's Industral Revolution New Eden's Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2011.05.19 22:27:00 - [5] Yes we need to see NPC standings, it helps corporations know if one should trust, and what effect the player standing will have the corporation. If you don't want to see others NPC standings then they should not be able to effect the corporations standing to a NPC corps and factions. Its just not fair that the standings we can no longer see can effect corporation standing. Also I like to know who I will allow in my corporation based on their standings, lots of spy's in game.
Half Cocked Jack	Posted - 2011.05.19 22:28:00 - [6] I'll add that this hurts roleplay characters as well as corps. The months of standings grinding I've done to quantifiably demonstrate my loyalty to the Republic, for example, is now completely moot. So, CCP, here is a practical suggestion: Why doncha give NPC standings (faction at least) the same permissions options as decorations and certificates?
ValentinaDLM Minmatar Unofficial Master Kuvakei Fan Club	Posted - 2011.05.19 22:29:00 - [7] I totally agree this is a huge problem, though I would like for agent standing to remain not public I want the other standing back or at least faction. I RP for Nation so not like I even have ranks to show off, my True Power was the only in game connection aside from assisting them at the Live events that I got, and Kuvakei didn't give me anything for that either. And Lots of Caldari RP is corp based so, that also makes it a bit annoying. And as far as the other people who posted responces went, employment history and such is still there, just not standings. And come on, you clearly don't know who det resprox or triad is if you think they are griefers.
Joe Skellington Minmatar JOKAS Industries Matari Legion	Posted - 2011.05.19 22:42:00 - [8] I don't like this at all, as I've stated in other threads concerning this.
Bane Necran Furtim Vigilans	Posted - 2011.05.19 22:42:00 - [9] Yeah, it's BS. But sadly not an oversight. I think it was in the patch notes. I've got pretty ridiculously high standings and it was always a source of pride. This combined with the way high standings no longer give access to exclusive agents really make it a double whammy for standings. I tried asking a dev a couple days ago if it was all part of a plot to phase standings out entirely, and if they were going to add things in Incarna which standings would be used for to make them more relevant, and the only answer i got was that these were 'standalone changes'.
Frank Battaglia	Posted - 2011.05.19 22:50:00 - [10] We need the NPC standings back, Its BS that I can't see others NPC standings but their standings can effect a corporation standings. A corporation trys to get a NPC standings up to get a POS and Jumpclones for its members, to have it all messed up because u recruit a member into ur corp that u can't see the NPC standings to have them effect ur corps, and lose the ablitys to get a pos in highsec and have jump clones for ur members. To the poit we are going to see alot of corp starting to kick their members out due to the effects their members have on their standings.

Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.19 22:52:00 - [11] Removing visibility of AGENT standings made sense (too easy to hunt a mission-running target). Removing visibility of CORP standings was unnecessary, even slightly bad (especially that now all agents have the same quality). Removing visibility of FACTION standings was downright stupid (why the bloody hell do that). _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Amun Khonsu Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2011.05.19 22:54:00 - [12] Thanks for bringing this issue to this thread DeT. I understand the concern CCP had for making standings hidden. However, this poses a serious problem for Factional Warfare corporations who depend on their corp having at least a .50 standing with a faction in order to remain in FW. Security and standings checks are imperitive. Factional Warfare corporations must be able to see that a person meets a standard that will keep the corporation from being booted out of FW by game mechanics. If CCP wishes to keep player standings hidden that is fine, just allow the standings to be visible by API. So, the process would be that standings are hidden as a norm in-game. However, when an individual applies to corp and submits their API, our security team can see the standings via API and see if they are a suitable candidate. Blindly taking in a person whose faction standings with our faction is a -9.0 would ruin FW wholesale. Yes, even though our corp standings are high with our faction we do get a lot of applicants who apply who are NEGATIVE with our faction. Through security screening we are able to weed them out. As it stands, this current system will ruin us. Please change this asap CCP. Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts.
DeT Resprox Minmatar T.R.I.A.D	Posted - 2011.05.19 23:01:00 - [13] Realisation for me has just kicked in (i actually had a head in hands moment for several minutes just then). Our T.R.I.A.D Agency system takes registrations which are accepted based upon their Factional standgins. This now means that the T.R.I.A.D Agency system will need to be closed to registrations. This has affected 5 years of hard coding for me personally. Wow. DeT Resprox T.R.I.A.D CEO CHANNEL: TRIAD AGENCY EON MAGAZINE: T.R.I.A.D
Versuvius Marii	Posted - 2011.05.19 23:04:00 - [14] Originally by: Akita T Removing visibility of AGENT standings made sense (too easy to hunt a mission-running target). Removing visibility of CORP standings was unnecessary, even slightly bad (especially that now all agents have the same quality). Removing visibility of FACTION standings was downright stupid (why the bloody hell do that). This. From a personal point of view it's annoying as hell when you're trying to help someone gain standings with a corp and you want to keep tabs on progress without asking the other party all the time. As it is currently, there is no point to there even being a standings tab because that's taken care of with a coloured box on the portrait of the person you're looking at. Bring back corp and faction standings as viewable please CCP! ============= The People's Vivi - the blog of a high-sec carebear with dodgy teeth. =============
Fermi Tesla	Posted - 2011.05.19 23:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Akita T Removing visibility of AGENT standings made sense (too easy to hunt a mission-running target). Removing visibility of CORP standings was unnecessary, even slightly bad (especially that now all agents have the same quality). Removing visibility of FACTION standings was downright stupid (why the bloody hell do that). I agree with this, i made a thread about this a little while ago but this thread seems to have more ppl, is there anyway to bring back the faction standings? i don't really care about agent standings, corp standings are important for mission running corps, and faction standings are very helpful for RP corps.
Aeronwen Carys Empire of Dust	Posted - 2011.05.19 23:32:00 - [16] I hadn't even noticed the standings were gone, and to be honest even after I had noticed it didn't hit home just how pointless such a change is. As Akita T points out, the removal of specific agent standings is a good move, but the removal of corp and especially faction standings is just unfathomable. Can we get a dev response detailing exactly why such a blanket change has been made seemingly without any thought at all to the consequences?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.19 23:34:00 - [17] My guess would be, they wanted to remove agent and for some obscure reason also corp standings, but ACCIDENTALLY also removed faction standings. Typical CCP (lack of) QA Hey, at least, that's how I read the patch notes, that faction standings were supposed to stay. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Kenny Camerman	Posted - 2011.05.19 23:56:00 - [18] I now can't tell whose working for who in regards to Roleplay Corps and players. Also pretty sure this messes up a lot of other things for those who pride themselves on standings be they players or entire corps
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.05.20 00:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Akita T My guess would be, they wanted to remove agent and for some obscure reason also corp standings, but ACCIDENTALLY also removed faction standings. Typical CCP (lack of) QA Hey, at least, that's how I read the patch notes, that faction standings were supposed to stay. My guess is it was a dev who did it on a whim because he only played the 0.0 alliance vs alliance part of the game so he just didnt care. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Whojamy Wassisname	Posted - 2011.05.20 06:05:00 - [20] The whole Roleplay aspect of EvE just died.

Everinsearch	Posted - 2011.05.20 06:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Half **ed Jack I'll add that this hurts roleplay characters as well as corps. The months of standings grinding I've done to quantifiably demonstrate my loyalty to the Republic, for example, is now completely moot. So, CCP, here is a practical suggestion: Why doncha give NPC standings (faction at least) the same permissions options as decorations and certificates? Bummer. Props for your excellent solution to the problem.
Cosmoes Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.20 06:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Akita T Removing visibility of AGENT standings made sense (too easy to hunt a mission-running target). Removing visibility of CORP standings was unnecessary, even slightly bad (especially that now all agents have the same quality). Removing visibility of FACTION standings was downright stupid (why the bloody hell do that). This. For the love of god CCP has the worst QA division in any game I have played. And saying that one of my favorite series featured extremely frequent unstopable randomly generated cut scenes that froze your control yet still had the battle going on (AKA you die while a crappy cutscene goes on). Still CCP is worse than that. ------------------- piccy
Jak'rat	Posted - 2011.05.20 07:23:00 - [23] Want to see if that enthusiastic new guy will damage (reduce) your corp's standings if you accept him, the same standings that your current members use as a corp or individually for POS'es, jump clones, missions? Can't now. Want to see if that two year old character has actually done anything or still has "rookie" NPC standings, strongly suggesting it's an alt or ridiculously inactive? Can't now. Want to run a Gallente corp - doesn't have to be hardcore RP, just a focus or a common theme - and used to use standings as at least a hint of if they'd ever been in Gallente space? Can't now. Want to check up on a player's record with faction warfare NPC's to see if they actually take part in the wider element of the feature or just use FW as a cover for griefing and piracy? Can't now. "Message to all people in corp public channels, militia conflict, general fleets and operations : sorry, we now need an API key, and forms completed in triplicate before we'll even start a conversation with you, please take a number and fill out the paperwork if you want to ask even the most casual question or tag along for a single evening." As for the guy calling TRIAD a griefer corp... /facepalm
Silas Cooper	Posted - 2011.05.20 07:26:00 - [24] Yes, this is a typical "I'm a DEV and I don't use standing much so I don't see why it should stay, might as well remove it". It's also a very CCPesque way of removing the lag you get when opening info on a corp/character and it lags for a second as it retrieves standing data. Instead of forcing the UI to NOT start with the standing page they just removed it altogether... well done! Mend this CCP, and don't wait your normal 18 month reiteration time! -- You can't cure stupid.
DeT Resprox Minmatar T.R.I.A.D	Posted - 2011.05.20 07:50:00 - [25] Originally by: Jak'rat Want to see if that enthusiastic new guy will damage (reduce) your corp's standings if you accept him, the same standings that your current members use as a corp or individually for POS'es, jump clones, missions? Can't now. Want to see if that two year old character has actually done anything or still has "rookie" NPC standings, strongly suggesting it's an alt or ridiculously inactive? Can't now. Want to run a Gallente corp - doesn't have to be hardcore RP, just a focus or a common theme - and used to use standings as at least a hint of if they'd ever been in Gallente space? Can't now. Want to check up on a player's record with faction warfare NPC's to see if they actually take part in the wider element of the feature or just use FW as a cover for griefing and piracy? Can't now. "Message to all people in corp public channels, militia conflict, general fleets and operations : sorry, we now need an API key, and forms completed in triplicate before we'll even start a conversation with you, please take a number and fill out the paperwork if you want to ask even the most casual question or tag along for a single evening." As for the guy calling TRIAD a griefer corp... /facepalm All of this. For me personally, as the T.R.I.A.D Agency accepted registrations based upon factional standings, it has rendered 5 years of coding and over 40,000 lines of code utterly useless. As a result i've now closed T.R.I.A.D Agency registrations. I'm fuming DeT Resprox T.R.I.A.D CEO CHANNEL: TRIAD AGENCY EON MAGAZINE: T.R.I.A.D
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries Brotherhood Of The Sick and Twisted	Posted - 2011.05.20 07:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Kharamete Yeah, right, it is totally immersive to be able to right click and 'show info' on random strangers, and learn their employment history and academic record since birth. You're forgetting that this is a transhuman world where "pulling up 'x's file" really does bring up everything since birth. Corporations own everything, including you, slipping through the cracks leaves you on the streets (not flying a multi billion dollar starship) because you don't exist, you have no ability to interact with the financial institutions, no ability to buy things, no access to healthcare... you're probably automatically a criminal simply for your lack of a Citizen Identification Number (or whatever else it might be called). As a capsuleer, your records begin from the day you began your new life as a demigod, yay you, everything before that ceases to exist, you're valuable enough that the little things like your teenage driving offences, mid-twenties credit history and those little murders get disappeared. But none the less, unless you're one of a very few 2003 characters your CIN records were set-up by one of the major Empires while your contract was held by one of their capsuleer education corporations (your starter school). In effect they signed you up for Facebook (with accurate data) Monster Jobs, Twitter...et al when they biochipped you. There is no going "off the grid", although the really advanced tools are restricted... Still, restrictions only mean so much when a demigod is waving a large fund transfer around your personal account (Locator Agents). Its not that visible standings violate your right to privacy, your ancestors gave up your right to privacy in exchange for a better dental package thousands of years ago. It's not that it's not something you would turn on, the corporation who invested millions in the implantation which placed you in a pod and then gave you five thousand ISK and a frigate did that for you. If the reason for the change was simply that the database calls for standings every time people checked what corp someone was from were causing performance issues then why wasn't that replaced by a button in the standings tab which would limit those database calls to those which are actually being made for standings? Why are we being forced to use third party programs to get in-game information? Why are we not being given the opportunity to ask agents what they think about people? -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
gEM x	Posted - 2011.05.20 08:11:00 - [27] worst change i ever seen in any game
Caronos	Posted - 2011.05.20 12:46:00 - [28] This messes up lots of things.....
Karl Planck Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2011.05.20 14:27:00 - [29] Edited by: Karl Planck on 20/05/2011 14:28:28 OK, so the first thread i saw on this was the cross npc standings, and really, who gives a f*ck. But as far as the faction standings i just got very concerned with one thing in particular in mind. I know that in fw if you remote rep a person who is gcc in your faction that you take a standing hit with your faction. Now we cannot see this standing and at some point will be notified that we just have 24 hours or we are kicked out?!?!? Is this correct?!?!? Did they remove faction standings all together or just the ability to view them? Does anyone know this for sure? Proof and/or insight would be appreciated. ------------------------------------------------- Don't debate with morons. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Roderak Pleem Minmatar Abandoned Land	Posted - 2011.05.20 14:50:00 - [30] Originally by: Akita T Removing visibility of AGENT standings made sense (too easy to hunt a mission-running target). Removing visibility of CORP standings was unnecessary, even slightly bad (especially that now all agents have the same quality). Removing visibility of FACTION standings was downright stupid (why the bloody hell do that). ^^ This, and petitioned. I can understand wanting to lower server load, however, at least give us a button or two on the standings tab to load Faction or NPC corp standings on demand (once loaded the button goes away for that session) I am not much of a roleplayer, but the roleplaying that I do can be summed up quite quickly: My roleplay IS my standings.

Whispering Monk	Posted - 2011.05.20 16:22:00 - [31] I agree with the agent standings begin hidden. But you can't even see NPC faction standings to other NPC Factions... This removes a massive part of the immersion, and new players have been shafted by this change. So new player, you are Amarr... What factions are they a bit angry towards? That's right new player... you don't even know WHAT other factions there are, because the AMARR standings tab is empty.
Xyla Vulchanus Amarr The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.05.20 16:34:00 - [32] Yep, just another unwarranted, unnecessary change by CCP which hurts the game and makes Eve just that little bit less special. We really should be used to it by now.
Alaura Aquila Minmatar JOKAS Industries Matari Legion	Posted - 2011.05.20 16:37:00 - [33] Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus Yep, just another unwarranted, unnecessary change by CCP which hurts the game and makes Eve just that little bit less special. We really should be used to it by now. Yes, haha and I just read your Alliance as "Against All Minorities" for some reason :) Maybe it's this stupid change CCP did that has colored my vision.
Guswar Threb	Posted - 2011.05.20 17:28:00 - [34] Madness i tell ye
Io Koval Gallente T.R.I.A.D	Posted - 2011.05.20 17:52:00 - [35] Originally by: Wen Jaibao It also hurts highsec griefers who can't figure out where people mission anymore simply by right click-> show info. Griefer tears spotted. Pure ignorance, and a poorly-thought out generalization. I really hope you come back to read the rest of this thread to realize how uneducated your comment is. Anyway, I am curious, does anyone know if the API was changed as well, or can you still obtain standings through the API (http://wiki.eve-id.net/APIv2_Char_Standings_XML)?
Soi Mala Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen	Posted - 2011.05.20 18:03:00 - [36] Doesn't this make the entire standings tab a little superfluous? I mean, i'm hardly gonna click on a blue player, and check his standings to confirm that yep, he is indeed blue to me... And what are we gaining from this? Saving on lag? Maybe modules will cycle every 210 seconds instead of 212 in a fleet fight, then i'l be able to kick back and hit the fukyeah.jpg
Harisdrop Gallente Waiting for Palli WILD BOARS	Posted - 2011.05.20 18:03:00 - [37] I think the point of this change was that you should move to 0.0 where action speak loader than standings from grinding.
Tinteq NoHelp Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.20 20:09:00 - [38] i've had the pleasure of using,Estel Arador Corp Services - EACS! - The leading Free Jumpclone Service for my alt, and i read in the news a while ago the corp was sold for a few billion isk, it's total based on standings and without them you wouldn't know what stations where available. i personally have been grinding standings in a solo corp, it's only real value is standings with npc corps and faction - which i can no-longer display. i noticed that eve gate still displays employment history, perhaps if they moved the standings there as well, and put them on another server not related to those dedicated to those following players thru systems. waiting for a laggy server to get character info isn't a big deal while sitting in a station, it is a big deal when the server writes to a file on your computer and the viral scanner has to check it while your in combat. but who checks player stats while your shooting at them ?
Karash Amerius Sutoka	Posted - 2011.05.20 20:26:00 - [39] Then just let hiring directors / CEOs be able to look at standings via the corp membership application from a new pilot. problem solved. ========================= Karash Amerius - Operative - Sutoka Fighting Broke - A Eve Online Blog =========================
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.05.20 21:28:00 - [40] Originally by: Silas Cooper Yes, this is a typical "I'm a DEV and I don't use standing much so I don't see why it should stay, might as well remove it". lol CCP devs don't play this game. "oh um yeah I have an account, though I mainly play...."

Misha M'Liena Amarr 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.05.20 23:13:00 - [41] Originally by: Karash Amerius Then just let hiring directors / CEOs be able to look at standings via the corp membership application from a new pilot. problem solved. Um no? Still screws the roleplayers over. Course i shouldn't be surprised anymore at ccp's patch days. What else can we nerf? Oh lets nerf faction wars and roleplayers....nobody cares about them. Oooo How close are you nav to 85. Misha Roleplayer and disgusted. ps. Yeah i'll take heat for the 85 reference.
Ahrek Yoash	Posted - 2011.05.20 23:39:00 - [42] ok somewhere in the dev/news note it was mentioned something about relevant standings in relation to you? so if someone is 10. to same agrnts as yourself you will see that? or am i mistaken?
Joe Skellington Minmatar JOKAS Industries Matari Legion	Posted - 2011.05.21 00:08:00 - [43] Originally by: Ahrek Yoash ok somewhere in the dev/news note it was mentioned something about relevant standings in relation to you? so if someone is 10. to same agrnts as yourself you will see that? or am i mistaken? You're mistaken, it doesn't show **** but his personal standing to you and your corp.
Gharmin Ra Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.21 00:32:00 - [44] Used this all the time to workout if a guy in recruitment channel or on forums was a suiting recruit to mission corp or if I shouldnt bother. Not to mention: Is this an alt? Is this guy shady? What have this guy done in his eve career? Dont agree one bit with this removal.
5c0u7y Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2011.05.23 15:11:00 - [45] I'm raising my hand to remove/modify this "feature" as discussed above. I have much respect towards Mr. Resprox and T.R.I.A.D. and the whole roleplay community and it's so sad they get so little support by CCP. And CCP, we know you are proud there are pilots that create "d.i.y."-style-pilot-missions which keep pushing the whole roleplay and storyline content. Stop destructing the universe. Originally by: Whojamy Wassisname The whole Roleplay aspect of EvE just died. The whole EVE just died. --- 5c0u7y --- Matar Colonel Kinda'Shujaa \| Matar Colonel 5c0u7y \| \|
NekoGeko	Posted - 2011.05.23 16:00:00 - [46] Edited by: NekoGeko on 23/05/2011 16:00:49 Repost from another related topic. --------------------------------------- Well the most problems this patch made to recruiters. Until CCP will make some changes I want to represent you a small workaround. Player standing is available through the API so few minutes ago i completed to write a small java program that will show Agent, Corp and Faction standings requiring only Limited API key. It has very simple and, maybe, buggy GUI, but it works and it is better the nothing. http://www.mediafire.com/?c4iq044uburdghp Program remembers the last UserID+APIkey and sorts entities by the standing from highest to lowest. I am the adherent of GNU GPL so if somebody wants sources please email me on [email protected] Or by in-game mail on NekoGeko.
Glyken Touchon Gallente Independent Alchemists	Posted - 2011.05.23 16:18:00 - [47] Edited by: Glyken Touchon on 23/05/2011 16:18:55 4 sets of standing have been rendered invisible by this change, and I don't think they were all intentional. Faction:Faction Faction:character Corp:character Agent:character 2-4 were meant to happen, but from the patch notes, I think #1 slipped through. CCP's argument against removing local is something along the lines of "we don't want to remove it until there is an equivalent intelligence tool" (CBA to find any quotes atm), but they remove this tool without any equivalent in-game. Using API is a crutch, a lazy way out, because the more you have to use out of game tools, the less approachable the game appears to newcomers. If they had waited until CQ hit before removing #2-4, it could have been moved to in-station without anywhere near the number of complaints. That would have reduced the load significantly, as accidentally opening that window would happen less often. IMO, they(#2-4) needed to be moved or changed, but not removed. ______ Originally by: CCP Veritas In other words, I believe Dogma is doing stupid things, and I intend to beat the stupid out of it before considering giving it rocket boots.
Alaura Aquila Minmatar JOKAS Industries Matari Legion	Posted - 2011.05.23 16:23:00 - [48] Confirming this change is still unnecessary and makes no sense.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.05.23 16:40:00 - [49] Originally by: Glyken Touchon Edited by: Glyken Touchon on 23/05/2011 16:18:55 4 sets of standing have been rendered invisible by this change, and I don't think they were all intentional. Faction:Faction Faction:character Corp:character Agent:character 2-4 were meant to happen, but from the patch notes, I think #1 slipped through. CCP's argument against removing local is something along the lines of "we don't want to remove it until there is an equivalent intelligence tool" (CBA to find any quotes atm), but they remove this tool without any equivalent in-game. Using API is a crutch, a lazy way out, because the more you have to use out of game tools, the less approachable the game appears to newcomers. If they had waited until CQ hit before removing #2-4, it could have been moved to in-station without anywhere near the number of complaints. That would have reduced the load significantly, as accidentally opening that window would happen less often. IMO, they(#2-4) needed to be moved or changed, but not removed. Looking at the patch notes is clear that 2 was intended either. Wherever you went - Here you are.


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